I think from now on, I am going to stop referring to myself as an atheist. I think the term ATHEIST, has been adulterated and hijacked by people who think that believing in the non existence of god, gives them the right to explicitly disprove everything that seems subjectively implausible to them.

The need to create this thread was aroused just minutes ago, when I read a comment from a thread I created earlier today about life fields. I asked a question about ghosts, and an atheist replied me saying that ghosts don't exist and it's fiction. I was so outraged. I wasn't angry at his opinion, but I was angry at the way in which he expressed it, which invariably brought to mind, the exasperating instances where atheists just directly reject claims, because they deem it implausible, without even critically examining such claims.

Atheism is the disbelieve in the existence of God, not ghosts, telekinesis, telepathy, precognition, magic, spells, or things we don't have sufficient knowledge about. There are branches of science and certain scientific hypothesis such as: the hypothesis of multiverses and parallel universes, that have been marginalized and relegated to the periphery of the domain of science, because most scientists don't want to bother themselves with such things because they think it's implausible or mystical.

I hate when Atheists, just because they don't believe God exists, think they should also reject any "supernatural" claim that seems implausible to them.

I really hate this Atheist tag. I have decided to drop it. You guys do the exact same thing religious people do. You fill in gaps in knowledge with arrogant assertions of nonexistence. Atheism shouldn't stand as a barrier to expand your knowledge about your world, instead, it should be a spring board to exploring nature and having an open mind about new ideas and experiences.

That's why I have issues with every outspoken but close minded, atheist out there.
Sam Harris is the only outspoken atheist I can bother listening to, because although he doesn't believe the God of any religion exists, he is open to other theories that explain "supernatural" occurrences. It was through him I learned about the Multiverse hypothesis, and certain meditational practices that provide experiences that have been held hostage by religion.

You atheists allow your atheistic world view to prevent you from being open minded, just the same as religious people. You all are the same.

many atheist dont have reason for being one they just decide to be because their in the supernatural is weak

Good morning Sir.
I am so happy for you, may d light you've seen this day continue to shine in ur life.
The word of God says " its only a fool that says there is no God"

"The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God"

shortgun:
Good morning Sir.
I am so happy for you, may d light you've seen this day continue to shine in ur life.
The word of God says " its only a fool that says there is no God"

Did you read my original post at all? I don't believe in your God, because he doesn't exist, and there is a mountain of evidence that substantiates his non existence.

Me venting about atheists doesn't mean I have switched to religion, let alone christianity.

datola:
"The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God"

Read the original comment before you post.

shortgun:
Good morning Sir.
I am so happy for you, may d light you've seen this day continue to shine in ur life.
The word of God says " its only a fool that says there is no God"

Did you read his post at all?

So you are neither theist nor atheist. God have mersy on you.

Op, I have nothing to say about you venting.

But I'll leave this here. It may not necessarily be for you, but I do pray it touches the heart it is purposed for.

Apologies in advance for posting it on your thread.

Hebrews 9:14 " How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God!"

Selah!

Etesam:
So you are neither theist nor atheist.
God have mersy on you.

Obughi nani mersy. Ke maka Messi?

GrizzlyBear:
I think from now on, I am going to stop referring to myself as an atheist. I think the term ATHEIST, has been adulterated and hijacked by people who think that believing in the non existence of god, gives them the right to explicitly disprove everything that seems subjectively implausible to them.

The need to create this thread was aroused just minutes ago, when I read a comment from a thread I created earlier today about life fields. I asked a question about ghosts, and an atheist replied me saying that ghosts don't exist and it's fiction. I was so outraged. I wasn't angry at his opinion, but I was angry at the way in which he expressed it, which invariably brought to mind, the exasperating instances where atheists just directly reject claims, because they deem it implausible, without even critically examining such claims.

Atheism is the disbelieve in the existence of God, not ghosts, telekinesis, telepathy, precognition, magic, spells, or things we don't have sufficient knowledge about. There are branches of science and certain scientific hypothesis such as: the hypothesis of multiverses and parallel universes, that have been marginalized and relegated to the periphery of the domain of science, because most scientists don't want to bother themselves with such things because they think it's implausible or mystical.

I hate when Atheists, just because they don't believe God exists, think they should also reject any "supernatural" claim that seems implausible to them.

I really hate this Atheist tag. I have decided to drop it. You guys do the exact same thing religious people do. You fill in gaps of knowledge with arrogant assertions of nonexistence. Atheism shouldn't stand as a barrier to expand your knowledge about your world, instead, it should be a spring board to exploring nature and having an open mind about new ideas and experiences.

That's why I dislike Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, Daniel Denneth, and every other arrogant, close minded, atheist out there.
Sam Harris is the only outspoken atheist I can bother listening to, because although he doesn't believe the God of any religion exists, he is open to other theories that explain "supernatural" occurrences. It was through him I learned about the Multiverse hypothesis, Chakras and certain meditational practices that provide experiences that have been held hostage by religion.

You atheists allow your atheistic world view to prevent you from being open minded, just the same as religious people. You guys are the same.

Just how has this your transcendental, supernatural and implausible experience helped you, in adjusting better to life?

Haven't You heard that All power Belongs to God ?

At Op please Can you Prove that Ghost or all those stuff you mentioned there Exist?

What happened to your mannas, @GrizzlyBear?

VickyRotex:
Op, I have nothing to say about you venting.

But I'll leave this here. It may not necessarily be for you, but I do pray it touches the heart it is purposed for.

Apologies in advance for posting it on your thread.

Hebrews 9:14 " How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God!"

Selah!

Blood of which Christ? Concocted tales about a harmless jewish man who was killed for crimes of sedition? Christianity is the biggest joke ever. Islam even makes more sense, at least muslims know their history. The only thing you christians know about your history is what you drew from the bible, or what some pulpit man in a 250 dollar suit told you.

It's surprising that an atheist believe in supernatural phenomena. If it is indeed the case that you believe in such GrizzlyBear how do you account for it ?

akintom:



Just how has this your transcendental, supernatural and implausible experience helped you, in adjusting better to life?

Adjusting to which life? Life in Nigeria, life outside Nigeria? Your own subjective perception of life? Which life exactly? And what does that have anything to do with exploring new realms of knowledge?

The helpfulness of a belief system or world view, doesn't validate or invalidate it's authenticity.

Etesam:
What happened to your mannas, @GrizzlyBear?

Mannas Kwa?

GrizzlyBear:
I think from now on, I am going to stop referring to myself as an atheist. I think the term ATHEIST, has been adulterated and hijacked by people who think that believing in the non existence of god, gives them the right to explicitly disprove everything that seems subjectively implausible to them.

The need to create this thread was aroused just minutes ago, when I read a comment from a thread I created earlier today about life fields. I asked a question about ghosts, and an atheist replied me saying that ghosts don't exist and it's fiction. I was so outraged. I wasn't angry at his opinion, but I was angry at the way in which he expressed it, which invariably brought to mind, the exasperating instances where atheists just directly reject claims, because they deem it implausible, without even critically examining such claims.

Atheism is the disbelieve in the existence of God, not ghosts, telekinesis, telepathy, precognition, magic, spells, or things we don't have sufficient knowledge about. There are branches of science and certain scientific hypothesis such as: the hypothesis of multiverses and parallel universes, that have been marginalized and relegated to the periphery of the domain of science, because most scientists don't want to bother themselves with such things because they think it's implausible or mystical.

I hate when Atheists, just because they don't believe God exists, think they should also reject any "supernatural" claim that seems implausible to them.

I really hate this Atheist tag. I have decided to drop it. You guys do the exact same thing religious people do. You fill in gaps of knowledge with arrogant assertions of nonexistence. Atheism shouldn't stand as a barrier to expand your knowledge about your world, instead, it should be a spring board to exploring nature and having an open mind about new ideas and experiences.

That's why I dislike Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, Daniel Denneth, and every other arrogant, close minded, atheist out there.
Sam Harris is the only outspoken atheist I can bother listening to, because although he doesn't believe the God of any religion exists, he is open to other theories that explain "supernatural" occurrences. It was through him I learned about the Multiverse hypothesis, Chakras and certain meditational practices that provide experiences that have been held hostage by religion.

You atheists allow your atheistic world view to prevent you from being open minded, just the same as religious people. You guys are the same.

then I guess you are spiritual but not religious

An atheists view of the supernatural, whether its real or not to me depends largely on how exactly the person in question became an atheist.

If you as an atheist thought god(s) dont exist because of lack of evidence, i.e an atheist who believes in proper investigation of religions or supernatural phenomena to substanciate belief, then, such an atheist would lack belief in the supernatural.

Because basically, theres as much CONCRETE evidence there is for deities as there is for "the supernatural", none.

If you have a solid argument for the supernatural, present it to such an atheist rather than ranting meaninglessly about atheism.

I wld advaise you. Stick to one belief system. The theist have their belief in the supernatural to unravel. The atheist have our belief in the physical to grapple with. Now that you're bringing in a medley of both, I repeat god have mersi on you!

UyiIredi:
It's surprising that an atheist believe in supernatural phenomena. If it is indeed the case that you believe in such GrizzlyBear how do you account for it ?

This is exactly the reason why I hate this Atheist label. I stopped believing in God, because I realized that the God of every religion doesn't exist. But that doesn't mean I believe that there isn't something out there that orchestrated the big bang and engineered the evolutionary process. I think it's silly to think that the universe just arose on it's own and formed the whole complexity and sophistication and mathematical laws that apply perfectly to it, without any force programming this whole thing into existence. I agree there is something out there, but whatever it is, I don't think it's the God of any religion, and I don't think it intervenes in our lives and I don't think it gives a Bleep about the earth and whatever exists in it. I also don't think we have the cognitive tools to understand such force. Humans recently evolved to make sense of their world, primarily to aid their survival, I don't think our brains have evolved to comprehend forces outside of our perceived reality

What we tag as "supernatural phenomenon" are just aspects of the natural world that we don't have sufficient knowledge of. It's knowledge, and I think as an open minded person, who was open minded enough to extricate himself from religious indoctrination and religious dogma, i shouldn't just dismiss certain claims on arbitrary basis, without examining those claims, which I believe most atheists are guilty of, and they do it so bullishly and arrogantly, that it annoys the Bleep out of me.

Atheists accept claims on the basis of convenience. If a claim isn't convenient for them, or doesn't fit into their ideal perception of reality, they just brush it aside. This is also what they accuse religious people of.

taurus25:


If you have a solid argument for the supernatural, present it to such an atheist rather than ranting meaninglessly about atheism.

It Seams like Some become Atheist Without Even knowing what the Word is what Is attached to it...

GrizzlyBear:
I think from now on, I am going to stop referring to myself as an atheist. I think the term ATHEIST, has been adulterated and hijacked by people who think that believing in the non existence of god, gives them the right to explicitly disprove everything that seems subjectively implausible to them.

The need to create this thread was aroused just minutes ago, when I read a comment from a thread I created earlier today about life fields. I asked a question about ghosts, and an atheist replied me saying that ghosts don't exist and it's fiction. I was so outraged. I wasn't angry at his opinion, but I was angry at the way in which he expressed it, which invariably brought to mind, the exasperating instances where atheists just directly reject claims, because they deem it implausible, without even critically examining such claims.

Atheism is the disbelieve in the existence of God, not ghosts, telekinesis, telepathy, precognition, magic, spells, or things we don't have sufficient knowledge about. There are branches of science and certain scientific hypothesis such as: the hypothesis of multiverses and parallel universes, that have been marginalized and relegated to the periphery of the domain of science, because most scientists don't want to bother themselves with such things because they think it's implausible or mystical.

I hate when Atheists, just because they don't believe God exists, think they should also reject any "supernatural" claim that seems implausible to them.

I really hate this Atheist tag. I have decided to drop it. You guys do the exact same thing religious people do. You fill in gaps of knowledge with arrogant assertions of nonexistence. Atheism shouldn't stand as a barrier to expand your knowledge about your world, instead, it should be a spring board to exploring nature and having an open mind about new ideas and experiences.

That's why I dislike Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, Daniel Denneth, and every other arrogant, close minded, atheist out there.
Sam Harris is the only outspoken atheist I can bother listening to, because although he doesn't believe the God of any religion exists, he is open to other theories that explain "supernatural" occurrences. It was through him I learned about the Multiverse hypothesis, Chakras and certain meditational practices that provide experiences that have been held hostage by religion.

You atheists allow your atheistic world view to prevent you from being open minded, just the same as religious people. You guys are the same.

Though I am not an atheist, but I always noticed the arrogance with which the atheists dismiss things that they can't explain. They always act like they have the final say to everything and that's the worst way of being close minded.

I have always been of the opinion that every intelligent human being cannot be be that dismissive when it comes to things you do not know, or have sufficient knowledge of. But our atheist brethren would rather make a mockery of what they deem not plausible or make you sound crazy, if you're of the opinion that the supernatural exists, or at worse, if you share your supernatural experiences which defies their 'logic'.

I'm a Christian, and a proud one, but certainly not close minded, especially when it comes to acquiring knowledge, delving into new areas or bodies of knowledge.

If you claim to be intelligent, I think you'd have a heightened sense of curiosity, and not be extremely close-minded.

@Op There Is A Difference Between Unbelievers and Atheist I think The Former Was What you Are and you miss took it for Atheism...

Deicide:

It Seams like Some become Atheist Without Even knowing what the Word is what Is attached to it...

Atheists arent supposed to hold exactly the same worldview. The only thing they have in common is a lack of belief in deities.

One can be an atheist and say, well, i dont believe in God, so i can kill, steal, rape, cheat and commit all sort of attrocities afterall theres no God at the end of the day.

Can we say because of such a person all athiests are horrible?. This why when i see topics condemning atheism because of some horrible atheist leaders, i just laugh at their ignorance and leave. Because people dont understand what atheism is in the first place.

This is why atheists these adds more tags to themselves such as humanist, realist etc...just to be clear their exact worldview.

taurus25:


Atheists arent supposed to hold exactly the same worldview. The only thing they have in common is a lack of belief in deities.

There is what we Call the God Head

One can be an atheist and say, well, i dont believe in God, so i can kill, steal, rape, cheat and commit all sort of attrocities afterall theres no God at the end of the day.

If you are Caught you will End up in Jail..

Can we say because of such a person all athiests are horrible?. This why when i see topics condemning atheism because of some horrible atheist leaders, i just laugh at their ignorance and leave. Because people dont understand what atheism is in the first place.

This is True

This is why atheists these adds more tags to themselves such as humanist, realist etc...just to be clear their exact worldview.

Being an Atheist you can Be many things

LaClicKLaBenDin:



Though I am not an atheist, but I always noticed the arrogance with which the atheists dismiss things that they can't explain. They always act like they have the final say to everything and that's the worst way of being close minded.

I have always been of the opinion that every intelligent human being cannot be be that dismissive when it comes to things you do not know, or have sufficient knowledge of. But our atheist brethren would rather make a mockery of what they deem not plausible or make you sound crazy, if you're of the opinion that the supernatural exists, or at worse, if you share your supernatural experiences which defies their 'logic'.

I'm a Christian, and a proud one, but certainly not close minded, especially when it comes to acquiring knowledge, delving into new areas or bodies of knowledge.

If you claim to be intelligent, I think you'd have a heightened sense of curiosity, and not be extremely close-minded.

You've spoken perfectly well. I love your last paragraph. A world view shouldn't circumscribe your perception and understanding of your world, and most importantly, it shouldn't stifle curiousity, but most atheists allow their atheism to. I think they feel atheism is just the ultimate password to dismiss any claim that's not "scientific," forgetting that science is still a growing field, plus lots of scientists tend to not pay attention to hypothesis that they feel isn't "helpful" to them, hence hobbling the growth or expansion of that hypothesis.

That's where religion tends to have an upper hand. The people who wrote the various religious texts, understand that there are certain esoteric natural principles and knowledge, and they interpolated them into their books, as a means of preserving them, but atheists don't care about this. All they know is that the supernatural doesn't exist. Anything that can't be proven by scientific laws doesn't exist. Blah blah blah. Rubbish!!

Atheists call religious people intellectually lazy, not knowing that they are intellectually lazy as well, because they see atheism at the last branch of the questioning tree and they sit on that branch and fold their arms, believing that they have reached the zenith of knowledge.

GrizzlyBear:


You've spoken perfectly well. I love your last paragraph. A world view shouldn't circumscribe your perception and understanding of your world, but most atheists allow their atheism to. I think they feel atheism is just the ultimate password to dismiss any claim that's not "scientific," forgetting that science is still a growing field, plus lots of scientists tend to not pay attention to hypothesis that they feel isn't "helpful" to them, hence hobbling the growth or expansion of that hypothesis.

That's where religion tends to have a upper hand. The people who wrote religious texts, understand that there are certain esoteric natural principles and knowledge, and they interpolated them into their books, as a means of preserving them, but atheists don't care about this. All they know is that the supernatural doesn't exist. Anything that can't be proven by scientific laws doesn't exist. Blah blah blah. Rubbish!!

Atheists call religious people intellectually lazy, not knowing that they are intellectually lazy as well, because they see atheism at the last branch of the questioning tree.

Please i hate All this Gibberish Talk

[size=16pt]Prove To Us That All Those Stuff You mentioned Exist!! [/size]

GrizzlyBear:


You've spoken perfectly well. I love your last paragraph. A world view shouldn't circumscribe your perception and understanding of your world, and most importantly, it shouldn't stifle curiousity, but most atheists allow their atheism to. I think they feel atheism is just the ultimate password to dismiss any claim that's not "scientific," forgetting that science is still a growing field, plus lots of scientists tend to not pay attention to hypothesis that they feel isn't "helpful" to them, hence hobbling the growth or expansion of that hypothesis.

That's where religion tends to have an upper hand. The people who wrote the various religious texts, understand that there are certain esoteric natural principles and knowledge, and they interpolated them into their books, as a means of preserving them, but atheists don't care about this. All they know is that the supernatural doesn't exist. Anything that can't be proven by scientific laws doesn't exist. Blah blah blah. Rubbish!!

Atheists call religious people intellectually lazy, not knowing that they are intellectually lazy as well, because they see atheism at the last branch of the questioning tree and they sit on that branch and fold their arms, believing that they have reached the zenith of knowledge.

hmmm well you're still technically an atheist naa
You don't believe in Gods
But you're not ignorant enough to say there is nothing out there beyond your understanding
Agnostic athiest

Deicide:

Please i hate All this Gibberish Talk

[size=16pt]Prove To Us That All Those Stuff You mentioned Exist!! [/size]

This whole thread, isn't about me proving anything to you. It's about me being livid at the fact that people like you, who claim to be atheists, dismiss claims arbitrarily, because you already have preconceived notions that the supernatural doesn't exist, despite not critically examining the claims and sourcing for evidence.

You are as ignorant as theists. The only knowledge you have over them is the knowledge that their god doesn't exist.

Are you expecting me to dissect every paranormal claim right now? That would take eons. What paranormal claim have you critically explored and found to be false?

UyiIredi:
It's surprising that an atheist believe in supernatural phenomena. If it is indeed the case that you believe in such GrizzlyBear how do you account for it ?

Someone can be atheistic and believe in Ghosts, Fairies, spirits, zombies, vampires.

Atheist simply is a label for those who don't believe in God(s)... Nothing more nothing less.