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Olu20090:
Lol...hope you know I speak yoruba fluently more than you?

ndoeyopbennet:
Leave bad-bellerism for bad-bellerers and address my issues. This is a debate.

waternogetenemy:
How will the so called TonyeBarcanista Ijaw manage, Benin, urhobo, itsekiri, isoko and wat eva is left over?

In fact how will these groups manage themselves?

They keep talking about Biafra but they dont even know their own faith.

The igbo man love Nigeria but is left with no choice but to find his way due to hostility and injustice.

Ngozi123:
If the Igbos were to secede then I'd prefer it if we formed our own independent nation without any minority groups. However, we should consider any minority group who express a strong desire to join us. Those minority groups can stay in Nigeria, form their own republic or join us. It really is your decision...

ndoeyopbennet:
More issues raised by someone else

Let us discuss this issue critically, without resorts to personal attacks. Examine the message, not the messenger.

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pazienza:
Let me book this space, just incase.

1. Biafra proposes a form of government where each province Will have total control of her resources and only contribute to the centre.
In Biafra, smaller groups like Oron, Eket, Andoni can unite and have their own province with full resource control and pay tax to the central government.
There won't be any land use decree.
IPOB had stressed on this times without number. Even Ojukwu Biafra was divided into provinces,with non Igbo speaking tribes having their own distinct provinces with indigenous administrators.
You need nobody to checkmate Igbos under such arrangement.
And moreover, naturally, Igbos exist in clans that do checkmated each other, ther have never in history being a period when Igbo groups United to conquer a non Igbo speaking people.

2. Why should where the capital location be an issue since it's not going to be a case where people were milked dry so that FG and go build up Lagos and Abuja?
It will be all province for themselves.
We can apply the three capital system of RSA. The legislative in one Province, the judiciary will be hosted by another province and the Executive by another, all these can be negotiated.

3. This is totally irrelevant. Truth remains that Ndiigbo had never annexed non Igbo lands in the past. Arochukwu was only one that was annexed, but when you factor in the fact that Arochukwu was won by a union of Aro, Ibibio and Akpa( Ekoid) people, then it could hardly be termed annexation.
Ndiigbo are not empire builders. Annexation and expansionism is not our trait. We are republicans by nature.
No Nigerian state government was ever going to approve being part of Biafra, even. Enugu state government denied Biafra. So citing Delta state government response is quite irrelevant to the issue of Biafra. Nobody expected any different response. But IPOB and their Biafran ideology is well received by the commoners in Enu ani, which is why Asaba is an IPOB stronghold.

4. This again is a trivial matter. Each province will have their own language and English as their official language.
English will remain the lingua franca.
But this is quite funny. You are scared of an Igbo national language, but comfortable with an English non African lingual franca.

The scenario you painted Of someone being denied position because of ethnicity will not happen with the structure Biafra intends to run on. The provinces will be stronger and more lucrative than the centre. It won't be the case of Nigeria.
Moreover, I personally don't subscribe to a Biafra with Ijaw, Edo and Edoids( Urhobo, Itsekiri, Isoko), when I think of Biafra, I think of Igbo, Igboids and AkwaCross, cos these are people we share similar ideologies with.

Infact, I'm only replying you because you stated that you are from AkwaCross area .
So my use of Biafra during the course of my reply represents strictly Igbo, Igboid and AkwaCross and maybe Ogoni.

5. Igbos are often the subject of caustic attack by those groups you mentioned, which I personally don't consider part of Biafra.
Go to Ijaw facebook pages, Radio Niger Delta, and even here in NL and see the amount of hatred towards Ndiigbo emanating from those quarters.
How many times have you seen Igbos hurl insults at AkwaCross people? Rarely. Why? Because you hardly get Igbophobia in AkwaCross area. AkwaCross people are all over Aba, they understand the Igboman and the Igbo man understand them, they don't show us hate, and in return we don't show them hate.

This generation Of Ndiigbo know better. We will not allow Igbophobic elements whether from
Ijaw, Edo, Edoids or Yoruba go unpunished. We will reply them with so much hate that even lucifer will marvel. Actions must be met with reactions.
So, if you think we are hurling insults on those children of hate, then you are John snow, cos what you are seeing is only just the beginning.
Peeps must be forced to learn that Igbophobia will not be tolerated by Ndiigbo, simple.
I have no intent of sharing Biafra with those people, it's only natural that they stick to their Arewa masters, you know what they say of birds of same feather.

6. Again Nnamdi had made it clear he has no political ambitions in Biafra. Even if he does, the kind of structure Biafra intends to run on will make the centre only ceremonial, it won't be same all powerful Nigerian president.
Ndiigbo had no problem with Obong of Calabar rulling the Eastern region house of Chiefs ahead of Eze Nri , Ex aro, Obi of Onitsha, Igwe Nnewi, etc. We had no problem with Eyo ita ruling the Eastern region , Adaka was voted by Ndiigbo in UNN as the SUG president, we voted a Fulani as the first Mayor of Enugu, we all voted an Ogbia man, GEJ and stood by him when all abandoned him even Ijaw men like Clark abandoned him since.

We are more than capable of voting non Igbos.
By the way, remove Urhobo here, I don't consider them part of Biafra.

7. How exactly are Igbo leaders the most corrupt in the country? What did you smoke?

Are thieves like Ibori, Amaechi, Silva, Is Abacha, Obj, IBB Igbos? Please don't provoke me with this Igbophobic statement, cause you won't like the outcome.

Biafran will be structured in such a way that government will be too close to the people. No more Abuja jamboree, that alone will curb the excesses of the politicians. They will be under closer scrutiny by their people,and since each province is going to be ran by what they produce, it will force leaders to think outside the box.
The abrogation of the dubious Obj created land use decree will hand the lands back to the natives and the government must serve the owners of the land and not the other way round. All these will change the political orientation and task leaders to be more productive and transparent to earn the people support.

waternogetenemy:
[s]Dis guy keeps sounding ridiculous by the day. Wat do u call the bombing of oil infrastructure? love making or heaven?

Are u more Ijaw than Asari Dokunbo or Tompolo and NDA? Do u know their position on Biafra?

Anyway, we pray that Nigeria starts to work and get things right before and after 2019, else Biafra will be a reality, with ijaw or no ijaw.

One thing is certain, all Igbo and igboid groups are automatically Biafrans, no need to hold referendum there.

jasysandra:
DRY

AjiereTuwo:
So what are you saying, that these groups cant manage themselves, i dont blame you sha, e dey una blood

Whynotthetruth:
1)Why are we loving the Igbo more than they love themselves? Can you cry more than bereaved? What's your headache if they leave and how they survive or die? smh

2) Let's stop celebrating ignorance. If Igbo leave today, they will simply become another new member(16th or so) of ECOWAS countries. ECOWAS treaty allow for FREE ENTRY and EXIT for all member countries including in trade and investment.

3) Property is legal acquisition which can't be taken away at the whims and caprices of hooligans. There are laws which will be made and respected. On disintegration, mode of separation and handover in new nations are discussed and implemented....it may take months or upto a year to conclude such . There are existing legal system guiding such process and issue.

4) Migration can't be stopped because of birth of new countries. Borders are open for all including for any migrant Igbo...by virtue of existing laws which are binding on all.

Fremancipation:
Exactly my sentiments and those of sensible Igbo folks. Leave this people out of the movement and see the movement succeed rapidly. Focus IPOB on igbos in the south east and the phantom south south.

TonyeBarcanista:
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Clown, Tompolo only few months ago pledged support NIGER DELTA and Nigeria Project
http://www.herald.ng/tompolos-letter-buhari-support-jonathan-not-hate/

NDA only few weeks ago pledged support for Nigeria project.... EVEN in the height of their struggle, they keep saying "Niger Delta".

Asari is a businessman using Biafra to gain patronage. His grandfather supported Biafra and was dealt with by Kalabari people.... Even in Egypt, a minority (0.00001%) followed the Hebrews out of Egypt.

All militants leaders dissociated from Biafra. Sorry....

ndoeypbennet:
I have no issue(s) with Igbo people or their entry/exit, etc. My ancestral homeland (Akwa Ibom) was included in the map of Biafra. It behoves me to ask salient questions and if you are for my good, please address them.

TonyeBarcanista:
I am not for or against anybody having their own country, what I am 100% sure of is that Ijaw nation and the entire Niger Delta is not and will never be part of any ipob Biafra.

I wish Agitators good luck!



BTW Do we still have Biafra agitators? I thought they have now collapsed their Biafra dream to be campaigning for Atiku?

Indeed, the Indigenous People of Delusion (IPOD) are confused.


CAVEAT:
By Ipod I'm referring to those aggressive and bitter bunch of internet trolls and not the great Igbo nation.

ndoeyopbennet:
Address the issues raised first. Trust me when I say 80% of Niger Deltans MAY opt to stay in NIGERIA!

ndoeyopbennet:
Address the issues raised first. Trust me when I say 80% of Niger Deltans MAY opt to stay in NIGERIA!

Fremancipation:
The day IPOB will stop including the non-Igbos in the south south is the day I will swear my allegiance to them.

But for now I will continue to sit on the fence about the movement.

Stop trying to save people who prefer to stay in bondage. It will end up getting you killed.

pazienza:
Let me book this space, just incase.

1. Biafra proposes a form of government where each province Will have total control of her resources and only contribute to the centre.
In Biafra, smaller groups like Oron, Eket, Andoni can unite and have their own province with full resource control and pay tax to the central government.
There won't be any land use decree.
IPOB had stressed on this times without number. Even Ojukwu Biafra was divided into provinces,with non Igbo speaking tribes having their own distinct provinces with indigenous administrators.
You need nobody to checkmate Igbos under such arrangement.
And moreover, naturally, Igbos exist in clans that do checkmated each other, ther have never in history being a period when Igbo groups United to conquer a non Igbo speaking people.

2. Why should where the capital location be an issue since it's not going to be a case where people were milked dry so that FG and go build up Lagos and Abuja?
It will be all province for themselves.
We can apply the three capital system of RSA. The legislative in one Province, the judiciary will be hosted by another province and the Executive by another, all these can be negotiated.

3. This is totally irrelevant. Truth remains that Ndiigbo had never annexed non Igbo lands in the past. Arochukwu was only one that was annexed, but when you factor in the fact that Arochukwu was won by a union of Aro, Ibibio and Akpa( Ekoid) people, then it could hardly be termed annexation.
Ndiigbo are not empire builders. Annexation and expansionism is not our trait. We are republicans by nature.
No Nigerian state government was ever going to approve being part of Biafra, even. Enugu state government denied Biafra. So citing Delta state government response is quite irrelevant to the issue of Biafra. Nobody expected any different response. But IPOB and their Biafran ideology is well received by the commoners in Enu ani, which is why Asaba is an IPOB stronghold.

4. This again is a trivial matter. Each province will have their own language and English as their official language.
English will remain the lingua franca.
But this is quite funny. You are scared of an Igbo national language, but comfortable with an English non African lingual franca.

The scenario you painted Of someone being denied position because of ethnicity will not happen with the structure Biafra intends to run on. The provinces will be stronger and more lucrative than the centre. It won't be the case of Nigeria.
Moreover, I personally don't subscribe to a Biafra with Ijaw, Edo and Edoids( Urhobo, Itsekiri, Isoko), when I think of Biafra, I think of Igbo, Igboids and AkwaCross, cos these are people we share similar ideologies with.

Infact, I'm only replying you because you stated that you are from AkwaCross area .
So my use of Biafra during the course of my reply represents strictly Igbo, Igboid and AkwaCross and maybe Ogoni.

5. Igbos are often the subject of caustic attack by those groups you mentioned, which I personally don't consider part of Biafra.
Go to Ijaw facebook pages, Radio Niger Delta, and even here in NL and see the amount of hatred towards Ndiigbo emanating from those quarters.
How many times have you seen Igbos hurl insults at AkwaCross people? Rarely. Why? Because you hardly get Igbophobia in AkwaCross area. AkwaCross people are all over Aba, they understand the Igboman and the Igbo man understand them, they don't show us hate, and in return we don't show them hate.

This generation Of Ndiigbo know better. We will not allow Igbophobic elements whether from
Ijaw, Edo, Edoids or Yoruba go unpunished. We will reply them with so much hate that even lucifer will marvel. Actions must be met with reactions.
So, if you think we are hurling insults on those children of hate, then you are John snow, cos what you are seeing is only just the beginning.
Peeps must be forced to learn that Igbophobia will not be tolerated by Ndiigbo, simple.
I have no intent of sharing Biafra with those people, it's only natural that they stick to their Arewa masters, you know what they say of birds of same feather.

6. Again Nnamdi had made it clear he has no political ambitions in Biafra. Even if he does, the kind of structure Biafra intends to run on will make the centre only ceremonial, it won't be same all powerful Nigerian president.
Ndiigbo had no problem with Obong of Calabar rulling the Eastern region house of Chiefs ahead of Eze Nri , Ex aro, Obi of Onitsha, Igwe Nnewi, etc. We had no problem with Eyo ita ruling the Eastern region , Adaka was voted by Ndiigbo in UNN as the SUG president, we voted a Fulani as the first Mayor of Enugu, we all voted an Ogbia man, GEJ and stood by him when all abandoned him even Ijaw men like Clark abandoned him since.

We are more than capable of voting non Igbos.
By the way, remove Urhobo here, I don't consider them part of Biafra.

7. How exactly are Igbo leaders the most corrupt in the country? What did you smoke?

Are thieves like Ibori, Amaechi, Silva, Is Abacha, Obj, IBB Igbos? Please don't provoke me with this Igbophobic statement, cause you won't like the outcome.

Biafran will be structured in such a way that government will be too close to the people. No more Abuja jamboree, that alone will curb the excesses of the politicians. They will be under closer scrutiny by their people,and since each province is going to be ran by what they produce, it will force leaders to think outside the box.
The abrogation of the dubious Obj created land use decree will hand the lands back to the natives and the government must serve the owners of the land and not the other way round. All these will change the political orientation and task leaders to be more productive and transparent to earn the people support.

8. Again stop dragging Edoids and Ijaws into this. You gave the impression that you are from AkwaCross area, but so far, you keep raising issues about the Edoids.
Not once have you made mention of the Oron struggle for independence , Obolo and Ibeno struggle for total control of Akwa Ibom coastline wealth, the Ekoid land disputes with Ikwo and Ezza clans of Igbo, the land disputes between Ndokis and Ibibios, these are real issues surrounding the AkwaCross Igbo relationship, instead you are focused in issues occurring in distant non related lands.
Don't give me the impression that you are an impostor claiming AkwaCross.

As for your question on utopia. Biafran will have the richest of human resources in Africa, it will have access to enormous natural gas deposits in Imo and Anambra, Coal in Enugu, crude oil reserves in Imo, Anambra, Ndoki, Etche, Asa. As well as those in AkwaCross area if you guys decide to join the party.
It will also have an enormous patriotic diaspora population spread all over the world ready to come and invest home as well as attract foreign investors, as the Biafran government will create the enabling environment for business to thrive.
The possibilities are endless.
Keeping the country peaceful is equally part of why I don't fancy having the Edoids and Ijaws in the Biafra, that will unbalance things and create chaos.

9. That is just a proposal. I don't consider Itsekiri and Urhobo parts of Biafra, any body that put then on the Biafran map is merely fishing for their reactions.

We don't share same life ideology with those people. I see no basis for unity with them. We can't be running away from a mad house( Nigeria), only to end up creating another mad house in Biafran by inviting bitter people with whom we share little with to share a nation.

When you know you are going to be running your province with whatever you produce, and that there won't be monthly allocation coming from Abuja, you wouldn't be bothered about those creating 1 million provinces for themselves, since they would have to run them with their own resources and not yours.

That's the great thing about the Biafran proposed structure. It eliminates the things that turned Nigeria into a failure.

BADNEAT:
have you lived in the east before ??..you raised no issues ...do yourself a favour get a ledger , go to the markets in rivers ,delta ,akwa Ibom ,bayelsa and cross river and conduct a survey personally ...

Technocracy:
I dont join issues with ill concieved postulations filled with naivity and total ignorance even barcanista is speaking for ijaws smh igbos did not create biafra but biafra existed even before the creation of Nigeria

TonyeBarcanista:
I am not for or against anybody having their own country, what I am 100% sure of is that Ijaw nation and the entire Niger Delta is not and will never be part of any ipob Biafra.

I wish Agitators good luck!



BTW Do we still have Biafra agitators? I thought they have now collapsed their Biafra dream to be campaigning for Atiku?

Indeed, the Indigenous People of Delusion (IPOD) are confused.


CAVEAT:
By Ipod I'm referring to those aggressive and bitter bunch of internet trolls and not the great Igbo nation.

Whynotthetruth:
Good...I already addressed your question...or is their any other one?