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| Re: Why Theists And Deists Can't Tell Us "God Wasn't Created".. by benzics(op): 9:50am On Dec 18, 2016 |
Wilgrea7:shirt!! .. I thought I mentioned with facts or evidence and not LOGICAL ASSUMPTIONS?? |
| Re: Why Theists And Deists Can't Tell Us "God Wasn't Created".. by hopefulLandlord: 9:50am On Dec 18, 2016 |
felixomor:Rest. Since simple Yes or No is Harding you |
| Re: Why Theists And Deists Can't Tell Us "God Wasn't Created".. by felixomor: 9:51am On Dec 18, 2016 |
hopefulLandlord:Echolalia. Are u sure u dont need psycho stabilization? |
| Re: Why Theists And Deists Can't Tell Us "God Wasn't Created".. by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:53am On Dec 18, 2016 |
benzics:Can you provide facts or evidence God does not exist ![]() |
| Re: Why Theists And Deists Can't Tell Us "God Wasn't Created".. by hopefulLandlord: 9:53am On Dec 18, 2016 |
felixomor:you're either asking a dumb question or you don't understand the meme Are u sure u dont need psycho stabilization? |
| Re: Why Theists And Deists Can't Tell Us "God Wasn't Created".. by felixomor: 9:55am On Dec 18, 2016 |
hopefulLandlord:You posted a meme, not a question. Decorum teaches to answer questions with statements, not question. And u dont have to copy my vocab. Be unique. |
| Re: Why Theists And Deists Can't Tell Us "God Wasn't Created".. by Wilgrea7(m): 9:56am On Dec 18, 2016 |
to the atheists who think proving that time doesn't exist will give them a point.... you're wrong.. according to a picture hopefullandlord shared that time is just an illusion, this doesn't disprove the existence of an all surpreme creator being existent outside of time but actually affirms it.. let's take it from the view of time being an illusion if time is an illusion then all we have is now.. just an ever changing now.. yesterday would be a "now" that has passed and tomorrow will be a "now" that we look forward to.. so if we experience an ever changing now, then it means we live in eternity... and its further proof that we are mortal.. because as now changes, our body ages until it dies.. so if we do live in eternity, then it is further proof that an all supreme creator is immortal and has always existed throughout eternity and we on the other hand are mortals who started existing(were created) at a "now" which has passed and therefore will die.. because anything created at any particular ”now" will end but anything not subject to a beginning(God) at any particular "now" cannot be subject to an end at any particular now in the future.. so it only affirms that an all surpreme creator is immortal and without beginning or end because it is not bound by any particular ”now" either in the future or past cc: benzics , hopefullandlord , etc |
| Re: Why Theists And Deists Can't Tell Us "God Wasn't Created".. by MrMontella(m): 10:03am On Dec 18, 2016 |
felixomor:what do you mean? Exist outside of time? Or did you mean space-time? Because time is just a measure of events |
| Re: Why Theists And Deists Can't Tell Us "God Wasn't Created".. by hopefulLandlord: 10:03am On Dec 18, 2016 |
felixomor:the answer to your question is right there in the meme I'm copying you to show how dumb the question is |
| Re: Why Theists And Deists Can't Tell Us "God Wasn't Created".. by Wilgrea7(m): 10:05am On Dec 18, 2016 |
benzics:mr man sir! what kind of “evidence" are you still looking for?? what equipment has science invented that can measure or calculate eternity? what basis or method do you want me to use to prove that an all surpreme creator exists outside of time? i should use time and matter to measure or calculate something outside it?? its like saying you want to use nokia torch to carry out the functions of a super computer.. what other kind of evidence or fact do you need? on what kind of basis do you want me to do the experiment and present facts? if you can't answer then stop trying to use a cup to measure an ocean |
| Re: Why Theists And Deists Can't Tell Us "God Wasn't Created".. by felixomor: 10:06am On Dec 18, 2016 |
hopefulLandlord:U copied me, because u dont have stuff. Truth pays. |
| Re: Why Theists And Deists Can't Tell Us "God Wasn't Created".. by felixomor: 10:10am On Dec 18, 2016 |
MrMontella:Please define "universe" |
| Re: Why Theists And Deists Can't Tell Us "God Wasn't Created".. by MrMontella(m): 10:12am On Dec 18, 2016 |
Wilgrea7:1..randomness does create orderliness... Too many times.. 2)..your take on God watching everything,radiating life to everything...doesnt seem deistic... 3)time is just a frame of events... If a creator lives outside of time do you mean no ''events'' occur ? |
| Re: Why Theists And Deists Can't Tell Us "God Wasn't Created".. by MrMontella(m): 10:13am On Dec 18, 2016 |
felixomor:and here you just told someone about having decorum...ille est answering questions with statements.. But you're answering my questions with a question.. Ok oo |
| Re: Why Theists And Deists Can't Tell Us "God Wasn't Created".. by felixomor: 10:18am On Dec 18, 2016 |
MrMontella:Ok, for equality sake Let me answer ur question. I meant time. Now define universe for me. |
| Re: Why Theists And Deists Can't Tell Us "God Wasn't Created".. by Kondomatic(m): 10:18am On Dec 18, 2016 |
Lols......... You are not as intelligent as you want us to believe. Thing is, the world is made of 2 people. The brainwasher and the brainwashed. You and I belong the later. how did you know that 'god' is that permanent somethingPermit me to be foolish as you were while composing this post. How do you know that what is known today as gravity is truly gravity? I haven't seen it, touched it or heard it......... Because a brainwasher told you(the brainwashed) so. You can't prove it and yet you believe it......... if you want to prove the existence of God to us.. YOU SIMPLY SHOW US GOD!!!Please show me gravity. Now how did you get to the conclusion that " god always was ", when you've in fact never seen or heard from this god, you never even studied this god, you just " logically assumed " like my bro DeepsightYou also jump to premature conclusion too. How are you so sure that we haven't heard from God? Can you prove that too? Fact is, the universe began to exist at a certain point in time. Since we know that it’s impossible that the universe created itself, then it must have had a Creator. Call that creator whatever you like, God, Energy etc. It doesn't matter to me. When a Christian first presented the BigBang theory, you lots rejected it but many of you have accepted it today yet you claim to be the wisest people on earth. Stop saying that God doesn't exist because you cannot prove, using logic, that something or someone that’s invisible doesn’t exist. That’s because it would require absolute knowledge and you lack it......... And because I cannot provide your preferred evidence doesn't mean that he doesn't exist. |
| Re: Why Theists And Deists Can't Tell Us "God Wasn't Created".. by felixomor: 10:21am On Dec 18, 2016 |
Kondomatic:Gbam |
| Re: Why Theists And Deists Can't Tell Us "God Wasn't Created".. by MrMontella(m): 10:33am On Dec 18, 2016 |
felixomor:space-time.. |
| Re: Why Theists And Deists Can't Tell Us "God Wasn't Created".. by Richirich713: 10:34am On Dec 18, 2016 |
No 1 says everything needs a creator, that's just a strawman commonly used by atheists. In fact atheists are more likely to believe everything has a cause, since they would rather go with the infinite regress than the "everything came from nothing" option. |
| Re: Why Theists And Deists Can't Tell Us "God Wasn't Created".. by felixomor: 10:36am On Dec 18, 2016 |
MrMontella: ![]() |
| Re: Why Theists And Deists Can't Tell Us "God Wasn't Created".. by MrMontella(m): 10:38am On Dec 18, 2016 |
felixomor:the totality of space-time oo |
| Re: Why Theists And Deists Can't Tell Us "God Wasn't Created".. by felixomor: 10:39am On Dec 18, 2016 |
MrMontella:Ur definition is incomplete. Ur wikipedia is not working today? What happened? |
| Re: Why Theists And Deists Can't Tell Us "God Wasn't Created".. by Wilgrea7(m): 10:40am On Dec 18, 2016 |
MrMontella:example please... 2)..your take on God watching everything,radiating life to everything...doesnt seem deistic...ok.. point taken.. I'm not a deist tho.. I'm a Christian.. but i agree with the deistic view sometimes 3)time is just a frame of events...yes, i can agree with you that time is a frame of events.. but how does a creator existing outside of time insist that time or the events never occur? i posted something about the time-frame of events stuff somewhere on this thread.. and it answered your third question.. |
| Re: Why Theists And Deists Can't Tell Us "God Wasn't Created".. by MrMontella(m): 10:42am On Dec 18, 2016 |
felixomor:thats the definition of the universe mr man... The totality of space-time. What is your own definition? |
| Re: Why Theists And Deists Can't Tell Us "God Wasn't Created".. by felixomor: 10:43am On Dec 18, 2016 |
MrMontella:Bring ur Wikipedia na. |
| Re: Why Theists And Deists Can't Tell Us "God Wasn't Created".. by benzics(op): 11:05am On Dec 18, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog:just because you can't disprove something do not mean that thing exists.. can you disprove with facts that the flying spaghetti monster exist? Does that mean it exists? |
| Re: Why Theists And Deists Can't Tell Us "God Wasn't Created".. by benzics(op): 11:18am On Dec 18, 2016 |
Wilgrea7:it all boils down to "Logic", why not evidence or facts? Do you know about Bigfoot? Do you know that there have been sightings of Bigfoot (more than the sighting of yahweh).. Does that mean that yes, since that looks like Bigfoot, BIGFOOT EXISTS, YAAAYYY!!!! https://i.ytimg.com/vi/tDw6p6aWYXQ/hqdefault.jpg I know you might probably start thinking that the Bigfoot is a fact same way you think the creator of the universe is a fact.. . I thought you all said everything has a beginning? Even the Bible says "in the beginning", so why do you guys keep saying God always was? ? And even the Bible said that in the beginning, god was wandering the world (where there is water).. So does it mean that there was water and before God? or god and water arrived same time? so who or what brought their arrival? |
| Re: Why Theists And Deists Can't Tell Us "God Wasn't Created".. by benzics(op): 11:20am On Dec 18, 2016 |
Wilgrea7:Reply above ^^^ |
| Re: Why Theists And Deists Can't Tell Us "God Wasn't Created".. by benzics(op): 11:33am On Dec 18, 2016 |
Kondomatic:People can be really foolish though ![]() I should show you gravity? Stand up, then jump up, the force that brings you down is called gravity!! Brainwashed? If we were told about gravity and we couldn't see it's effects, that's when one would think that gravity doesn't exist. But what of God? All we hear and see are "assumed effects" |
| Re: Why Theists And Deists Can't Tell Us "God Wasn't Created".. by Kondomatic(m): 11:50am On Dec 18, 2016 |
benzics:I actually asked for your permission to be foolish as you were while composing the OP......... benzics:How do you know that the force is gravity? Any evidence to prove that it actually a gravitational force that pulls me down? If yes, prove it otherwise keep quiet. By the way, go to church, see people tell you your past and present, watch miracles happen, see people fall under the anointing. That's the effects of God's presence. benzics:How do you know that what you see is the effects of gravity? You have never carried out any successful scientific research. You have never discovered anything. But you believe everything your scientists say. There's no way to know if they're brainwashing you or not and yet you think you're smart. Concentrate on getting the best out of your life bro and stop worrying religious people. You are no better than them. Another person may come up tomorrow and tell you that what you have been calling gravity is earthly pulla pulla and I sure you will believe it once you see evidence. |
| Re: Why Theists And Deists Can't Tell Us "God Wasn't Created".. by benzics(op): 12:02pm On Dec 18, 2016 |
Kondomatic:Chai.. lwkmd ![]() Gravity is just a nomenclature, a name given to that force that pulls you down... But THERE IS A FORCE THAT PULLS YOU Down, it can be called anything! Whether earthly pulla pula but as far as we are referring to that earthly pull!!! People fall under anointing or hypnosis?? I was once part of that crowd that fell when the pastor prayed, and I can confirm that I wasn't moved by "sh-it", I just fell to feel that "Yes, the holy spirit is working", but there was actually no force behind that.. Miracles? Lol, do you know anybody that had physical defects (blind, deaf, dumb) but once prayed to, became fine?? Not strangers o, but people you know and have witnessed them being healed? Why can't the so called god heal amputees since he is all powerful, well, because miracle itself is a trick just like magic!! And I don't believe everything a scientist say just like you believe everything your bible says.. |
| Re: Why Theists And Deists Can't Tell Us "God Wasn't Created".. by felixomor: 12:04pm On Dec 18, 2016 |
Kondomatic:Lollz @ "Pulla pulla" ![]() |
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