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brocab:
A Jehovah B Jesus yes that's about right? Spirits don't die, unless God destroys both soul and body {Matthew 10:28}

achorladey:
If am to ask you now is it Lord God that was recorded in John 20:28? You will respond by saying am pouring rubbish. Answer that first.

achorladey:
Failure written all over this as well

solite3:
ok Thomas said my Lord and my God. Now answer my questions.

brocab:
Only because you have failed the exam, to be honest you are to blind to understand the Word Of God.
-0 is your score.

solite3:
I don't have time to dig through posts since you have have time go back and search for my reply to your posts there lies your answers

achorladey:
Do you read this at all
Dolphinheart-2. HE GAVE UP HIS SPIRIT
You posted John 19: 30, but in you bid to formulate falsehood out of it, you failed to listen to what that verse is telling you.
Joh 19:30When he had received the sour wine, Jesus said: “It has been accomplished!” and bowing his head, he gave up his spirit.
King James Version
Joh 19:30When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
Did you see the underlined above?, it did not say Jesus left his body using only his spirit, it did not say Jesus continued living as a spirit, it said Jesus GAVE UP his spirit, if you give something up, IT'S NO LONGER Yours.

solite3:
I don't have time to dig through posts since you have have time go back and search for my reply to your posts there lies your answers

achorladey:
Who among these two cannot die? A. JEHOVAH B. Jesus. It is easy for you solite3 to preach that Jesus die on the cross so repent and give your life to christ but when it comes to preaching about trinity it becomes the other way round(Jesus cannot die).

dolphinheart:
ill show you evidence
look at my post on 4:28pm On Dec 13 then look how it was heavily edited with deliberate removal of scriptures when he quoted that post on 1:33am On Dec 14

the quote below is my post, the parts in red are the parts that was removed so that he could respond


BROCAB, CAN YOU SEE THE LOW LEVEL YOU AND YOUR BROTHER HAD RESORT TO, YOU HAD TO ALTER MY POST, EDITING OUT A LARGE PART OF IT,(ALL THOSE WRITTEN IN RED)EXPECIALLY THE PARTS THAT CONTAIN SCRIPTURES THAT EXPOSES YOU SO THAT YOU REPLY.

brocab:
Lies

brocab:
Well well how dumb do you really sound-talk about unknowledgeable.
Plus as I recall it Dolphinheart said He gave up His Body?
Jesus gave up His Spirit to God, it doesn't mean His Spirit is dead-finished.

achorladey:
For your mind I am an hypocrite bah? Yet I still have the audacity to quote that scripture relating to Thomas and raised a very good question that you are struggling to find answers to. Continue.

solite3:
quoting scripture is nothing but comprehension.

achorladey:
Brocab: Jesus gave up His Spirit to God, it doesn't mean His Spirit is dead-finished.
Achorladey: He(Jesus) gave his spirit to who? One word please no mistake this time. Concerning your latest post wait for my response soon.

dolphinheart:
prove my accusation wrong brocab, HAVE YOU EVER QUOTED PSALMS 83:18 FROM THE KJV WHEN I REQUESTED YOU DO SO?, PLS FOR ONCE ,SHOW YOU ARE NOT A LIAR BY
1. SHOWING US WHERE YOU QUOTED THE VERSE FROM THE KJV OR
2. QUOTING THE VERSE FROM THE KJV AND TELLING US IF YOU ACCEPT THAT TRANSLATION.

brocab:
Bless John74 soul-If He did edit your post, he did it to return to you the favour you have in the past changed our post.

Bless the Man's soul, he was correcting your mistakes-like a teacher corrects the children in a classroom-like our Father in Heaven corrects His own while reading the Word Of God.
Bless John74's soul...
Well done good and faithful servant...

dolphinheart:
Your dubious character is more evident day by day, you first said he did not do any editing, he has confirmed that he edited my post, you now quickly change your stance. Like the wind blows smoke left and right, you stance keep changing depending on what's on ground.

If I asked you to show one instance in which I edited your post now, you will run away again!



If you want to correct mistakes, you first show the mistake, then put the correction forward.
removing quoted scriptures does not show you are correcting mistakes, it shows you are afraid of the scriptures quoted, the only way to hide from explaining it is to try and erase it!

When I was in school, if we make mistakes or answer questions incorrectly, the teacher does not erase what we have written, he or she will point to where we made the mistake and give corrections below what we have written.

I know you like your own method, cus it prevents others from seing the so called mistakes you are trying to correct, to prevent discerning minds from checking if truly their is a mistake and if your corrections are valid.

solite3:
Jehovah is a Spirit he cannot die while Jesus died because he was a man.
The word became flesh so that he can die for the sins of the word. So we can say Jesus died as man but cannot die as God.

If you want to know about Trinity it is simple ask or visit a Christian site or pick a christian book to help you.
Trinity is 100% biblical no human conjuncture.

brocab:
Why not just stick with the KJV-and of course this bible will prove how your mind works to the public. To be honest I can't believe you would strop yourself this low just to justify yourself.

Dolphinheart writes-brocab, adherents of the false trinity doctrine had gone a long way in adulterating certain verses, but thanks to the discovery of new older and more accurate scrolls and technology, the dark works had been discovered, new bibles are gradually removing those false additions in the scriptures.
STUDIES HAVE SHOWN THAT THE WORD "GOD" AS ADDED BY YOU WHEN YOU MENTIONED THAT VERSE IS AN ADDITION MADE BY THOSE WHO ARE FUSTRATED THAT THEY COULD NOT FIND ANY VERSE THAT SUPPORTS THEIR TRINITY DOCTRINE DIRECTLY. THE ADDITION HAS BEEN DISCOVER TO BE FALSE.
Well well Dolphinheart the KJV seems to give you favor when you need the answers when arguing the point with me-so why stop now, why look at bibles that comes under the New Order, which of course means the New World Order. Example the NIV Bible calls Jesus the capstone-instead Jesus rightful name is the cornerstone. The capstone is on the dollar-Satan looking down on his own and Satan's plan is to use people like you to spread a unscriptural gospel of lies and wonders across our nations.

{1 Timothy 3:16} God was manifested in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, believed on in the world, Received up in Glory..
And who is "HE" WAS MANIFESTED IN THE FLESH?
Have you mistaken you have written down this bible verse {Lets read the Weymouth New Testament Bible, it say's that Christ appeared in Human form}
Does this mean Christ is God "HE" who manifested in the flesh.
Second question we already know who's coming back for His own people.

dolphinheart:
Your dubious character is more evident day by day, you first said he did not do any editing, he has confirmed that he edited my post, you now quickly change your stance. Like the wind blows smoke left and right, you stance keep changing depending on what's on ground.

If I asked you to show one instance in which I edited your post now, you will run away again!



If you want to correct mistakes, you first show the mistake, then put the correction forward.
removing quoted scriptures does not show you are correcting mistakes, it shows you are afraid of the scriptures quoted, the only way to hide from explaining it is to try and erase it!

When I was in school, if we make mistakes or answer questions incorrectly, the teacher does not erase what we have written, he or she will point to where we made the mistake and give corrections below what we have written.

I know you like your own method, cus it prevents others from seing the so called mistakes you are trying to correct, to prevent discerning minds from checking if truly their is a mistake and if your corrections are valid.

johnw74:
lie lie dolphinheart

once again, of course it's you, not brocab who is the liar,
we know that Jesus was manifest in the flesh
and we know Jesus is God

You search for many translations that say "He" instead of "God"
such is your denial of the Lord,
there are many Bible verses to show that "God" in 1 Timothy 3:16 is indeed correct.

You are an antichrist going to extreme lengths to deny the Lord Jesus Christ.


Here are some Bible verses which show that "God" in 1 Timothy 3:16 is correct:

Jesus is God with us:
Isa 7:14  Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Jesus is mighty God:
Isa 9:6  For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
 
Jesus is Yahweh our Righteousness:
Jer 23:5  Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. 
Jer 23:6  In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

Mat 1:23  Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

The Word was God:
Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 

God purchased the Church with His own blood:
Act 20:28  Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Jesus is the Lord from Heaven:
1Co 15:47  The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

Jesus considered Himself equal to God:
Php 2:6  Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 
Php 2:7  But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 
Php 2:8  And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 



These Bible verses all show that Jesus is God,
and
Jesus was manifest to us,
God was manifest to us.

do you believe all these Bible verses showing that Jesus Christ is God lie lie dolphinheart, of course NOT,
you are antichrist.

you search for translations which you think support your satanic doctrines, but they don't
they just say "HE" instead of "God", there are plenty of Bible verses showing the Lord Jesus Christ is God,
oh antichrist

you sure do lie, all the time mr a/c
and you say: show me where I lied, ha ha ha

johnw74:
poor lie lie dolphinheart, twice I told you but you so confused,
such is the way of antichrists

dolphinheart:
are we talking about which bible to stick to?, no we are talking about 1 timothy 3:16.
Two different translations give two different text of the same verse. I've shown you how some translations translated 1 timothy 3:16, I've given you reasons why they are correct, if you want , I can even show you the Greek text.

so far you have not:
1. give any reason why you think the KJV translation of 1 timothy 3: 16 is right and the others are wrong.
2. shown any evidence to support the use of the word "God" in that verse when it is proven that the word does not exist in that verse.

I did not bring myself low, I quoted several translations to you, non of them used "God", they used "he", they are different words with different spelling and different meaning. Now the issue is, which one is correct, which one is wrong. evidence from the manuscripts and scholars show that the use of "God" in that verse is totally wrong.



don't make statements without providing evidence, pls quote the verse where the statement was a made from both the NIV and the KJV, we will then examine it together on this thread.



First one needs to examine which translation is true and which is false.

* note , my acceptance of what a scholar says about a particular subject is based on my personal study , I don't accept all of what a particular scholar says but look at it subject by subject.
In regard to the above verse, Bruce Metzger writes:

[“He who”] is supported by the earliest and best uncials…no uncial (in the first hand) earlier than the eighth or ninth century supports theos; all ancient versions presuppose hos or ho [“he who” or “he”]; and no patristic writer prior to the last third of the fourth century testifies to the reading theos. The reading theos arose either(a) accidentally, or (b) deliberately, either to supply a substantive for the following six verbs [the six verbs that follow in the verse], or, with less probability, to provide greater dogmatic precision [i.e., to produce a verse that more clearly supports the Trinitarian position].” [1]

brocab, the use of theos in 1 timothy arose either accidentally or deliberate alteration of what the verse says.
now that we know the the true Greek word is "ho" which means "he" in English, it is left for us to study and know who that he is!

By looking at the verse and examining what was said about that "he" , we are ably to know it was jesus, the son of God, who was exalted and sat at the right hand of God.

johnw74:
poor lie lie dolphinheart, all you have is your lies and false accusations
that you repeat over and over again

explaining twice to you is once more than enough,
but you love to lie and falsely accuse,
which is normal behaviour for an antichrist,
and you are truly that, aren't you

johnw74:
You said certain Alpha and Omega verses in Rev, were not Jesus talking

I showed that it certinally was Jesus talking in those verses, not just one

There is no need for me to post the verses again, you never replied to my post,
go back and reply now, or are you just grand standing, big mouthing?
yep, of course you are oh antichrist

brocab:
Well well how dumb do you really sound-talk about unknowledgeable.
Plus as I recall it Dolphinheart said He gave up His Body?
Jesus gave up His Spirit to God, it doesn't mean His Spirit is dead-finished.

johnw74:
bro I don't change anything in antichrist dolphinheart posts,
as you pointed out he does,
I just simply quote the things I want to talk about,
that's a sensible thing to do, but of course lie lie loves to
lie and falsely accuse on many diffrent things,

As is the way of a/c

dolphinheart:
are we talking about which bible to stick to?, no we are talking about 1 timothy 3:16.
Two different translations give two different text of the same verse. I've shown you how some translations translated 1 timothy 3:16, I've given you reasons why they are correct, if you want , I can even show you the Greek text.

so far you have not:
1. give any reason why you think the KJV translation of 1 timothy 3: 16 is right and the others are wrong.
2. shown any evidence to support the use of the word "God" in that verse when it is proven that the word does not exist in that verse.

I did not bring myself low, I quoted several translations to you, non of them used "God", they used "he", they are different words with different spelling and different meaning. Now the issue is, which one is correct, which one is wrong. evidence from the manuscripts and scholars show that the use of "God" in that verse is totally wrong.



don't make statements without providing evidence, pls quote the verse where the statement was a made from both the NIV and the KJV, we will then examine it together on this thread.



First one needs to examine which translation is true and which is false.

* note , my acceptance of what a scholar says about a particular subject is based on my personal study , I don't accept all of what a particular scholar says but look at it subject by subject.
In regard to the above verse, Bruce Metzger writes:

[“He who”] is supported by the earliest and best uncials…no uncial (in the first hand) earlier than the eighth or ninth century supports theos; all ancient versions presuppose hos or ho [“he who” or “he”]; and no patristic writer prior to the last third of the fourth century testifies to the reading theos. The reading theos arose either(a) accidentally, or (b) deliberately, either to supply a substantive for the following six verbs [the six verbs that follow in the verse], or, with less probability, to provide greater dogmatic precision [i.e., to produce a verse that more clearly supports the Trinitarian position].” [1]

brocab, the use of theos in 1 timothy arose either accidentally or deliberate alteration of what the verse says.
now that we know the the true Greek word is "ho" which means "he" in English, it is left for us to study and know who that he is!

By looking at the verse and examining what was said about that "he" , we are ably to know it was jesus, the son of God, who was exalted and sat at the right hand of God.

dolphinheart:
{I have wrote your name Dolphinheart in red, look above in white, at 4:33 pm} If everyone acts that same way, only talking about things he wants to talk about, editing other people's explanation and scriptures, then we will not learn anything.
IF SCRIPTURES ARE SHOWN TO YOU, AND YOU FEEL THE EXPLANATIONS GIVEN ARE WRONG, A SINCERE PERSON WILL QUOTE THOSE SCRIPTURES AND GIVE HIS OWN EXPLANATIONS, A SINCERE PERSON WILL NOT REMOVE IT FROM THE POST, ACTING AS IF THOSE VERSES WHERE NOT QUOTE AS PART OF THE POST.

achorladey:
Brocab: If Jesus didn't give up His Spirit-then why did God raise Him up from the dead {Acts 2:24, 1 Corinthians 6:14, Romans 8:11} {Mark 16:19} After the Lord had spoken unto them {Disciples} He was received up into heaven.
Dolphinheart: No one said Jesus did not give up his spirit, therefore your question is off point.
God raised Jesus from the dead because Jesus was dead!
shame on you brocab, in other to hide a very important point from Mark 16:19, you refused to fully quote it, you are full of dubious behaviours.
King James Bible
So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
Achorladey: A very good reason why I always say make good use of scriptures cited. Don't abuse it. I hope you see your contradictions flying here and there.

brocab:
Shame on you-you are lost for Words.. You will never Become a faithful JW-YOU WILL BE KICKED OUT IN MONTHS..