komekn:


You are being biased.

So you think speed is just a mere minor attribute, take away speed from Walcot, Martel, Vardy and our guy Musa and what's left, not much. In the premiership pace is a game changer. I could add Sanchez but he has pace and so much more a whole lot more.

Ox has scored 6 and Iwobi has scored 2 hmmm Compare then game time, the Ox has played 12 and Iwobi 13.

You still think your being objective and balanced

komekn:


I be Naija but now this is real Naija bias.

Right now if these players were to be put on the open market what would be thier prices tags and who would be the most expensive.

Let's examine the issue rationally and objectively if possible statistically.

My objective opinion is that there are far fewer players around like the Ox as opposed to Iwobi.

TheGoodJoe:


You claim to have o much knowledge of football. Leave talking long story. Anyone who has a decent eye in watching football can tell the better player. Iwobi is far better, with more class in his touches, passes and intelligent movement.

komekn:


Firstly you assumed knowledge I didn't claim knowledge.

Consider my question if the two of them were put on the market who will have the bigger price tag

I actually agree that the Ox is not as consistent as I would like, I feel Wenger needs to find a way to deal with that. Pace in the premiership cannot be discounted it may not be everything but it's a great attribute.

I think even with his inconsistencies which could be attributed somewhat to his injury problems. Then look at him over the last three seasons and he doesn't look as inconsistent as you may initially think.

komekn:


Firstly you assumed knowledge I didn't claim knowledge.

Consider my question if the two of them were put on the market who will have the bigger price tag

I actually agree that the Ox is not as consistent as I would like, I feel Wenger needs to find a way to deal with that. Pace in the premiership cannot be discounted it may not be everything but it's a great attribute.

I think even with his inconsistencies which could be attributed somewhat to his injury problems. Then look at him over the last three seasons and he doesn't look as inconsistent as you may initially think.

komekn:


I be Naija but now this is real Naija bias.

Right now if these players were to be put on the open market what would be thier prices tags and who would be the most expensive.

Let's examine the issue rationally and objectively if possible statistically. Did you consider the very basic statistical comparism I made between them At the end of the day end product is and will always be a defining factor for overall quality.

My objective opinion is that there are far fewer players around like the Ox as opposed to Iwobi.

komekn:


You are being biased.

So you think speed is just a mere minor attribute, take away speed from Walcot, Martel, Vardy and our guy Musa and what's left, not much. In the premiership pace is a game changer. I could add Sanchez but he has pace and so much more a whole lot more.

Ox has scored 6 and Iwobi has scored 2 hmmm Compare then game time, the Ox has played 12 and Iwobi 13.

You still think your being objective and balanced

zicky:
To me I love the Iwobi type of player very technical like Kaka, they can grow to be world best but the Ox kind of player that rely on speed dnt last long.

komekn:
Outstanding technique, strength & pace combined unbeatable.

First thing is technical ability I quite agree, however if you have pace to complement it then it's another level then add to that strength then you become a serial killer on the field. Rarely do you find someone possessing all three.

I remember the Ox playing against Bayern he was the game changer. But to say the Ox is just good and Iwobi excellent is not being objective.

My question or consideration irrespective of our opinions was to consider thier market value. I did compare thier goal tally with the Ox far ahead.

I really like Iwobi skillful, technically exceptional a good player. But I don't consider him to be better than the Ox at this point, he may become better but right now my naira is on the Ox for the time being.

Mickael2:


consider the assists too.

Meanwhile, how many goals did the 'Ox' score in the premier league and how many did he score in the FA cup and against which team?

komekn:


In the long term even short term this is a problem a lot of his injuries are muscular, hamstrings, calf, etc

But sometimes African genes defy the probability, can someone explain how Obagoal still remains so fast. And we know how old he is.

komekn:


In the long term even short term this is a problem a lot of his injuries are muscular, hamstrings, calf, etc

But sometimes African genes defy the probability, can someone explain how Obagoal still remains so fast. And we know how old he is.

komekn:


Firstly you assumed knowledge I didn't claim knowledge.

Consider my question if the two of them were put on the market who will have the bigger price tag

I actually agree that the Ox is not as consistent as I would like, I feel Wenger needs to find a way to deal with that. Pace in the premiership cannot be discounted it may not be everything but it's a great attribute.

I think even with his inconsistencies which could be attributed somewhat to his injury problems. Then look at him over the last three seasons and he doesn't look as inconsistent as you may initially think.

TheGoodJoe:


Market value is in respect of contract. You can not ascertain. However, I see more coaches demanding more of Iwobi's ability to Ox. At the end, the question is who is the better player. Technique is King and Iwobi has it in bags.

komekn:


Come on in the premiership the larger majority of managers will consider pace first garnished with some skill.

I will confesses to being overwhelming biased in favour of skill, technique, shakara movement, touch, dribbling, etc etc. But I have learned that what the majority of the market wants will determine the price.

One day a head coach of a Premiership club told my player. At this stage he had out paced and dribbled three players got into the 18 and passed the ball to the strikers feet.

He said, "Heh mate, forget all that fancy pansy stuff, just cross it in, get heads on ball mate"

This is mindset that pervades the majority of English clubs. Allardyce, Moyes, How, Pulis, Dyche, Bruce, Hughes even some of the more cultured continental European managers will concede the need for Speed end product delivery exceeds the need for technical ability.

Iwobi can easily be classed as a luxury player as a result his price will be lower amongst other considerations.

komekn:


Come on in the premiership the larger majority of managers will consider pace first garnished with some skill.

I will confesses to being overwhelming biased in favour of skill, technique, shakara movement, touch, dribbling, etc etc. But I have learned that what the majority of the market wants will determine the price.

One day a head coach of a Premiership club told my player. At this stage he had out paced and dribbled three players got into the 18 and passed the ball to the strikers feet.

He said, "Heh mate, forget all that fancy pansy stuff, just cross it in, get heads on ball mate"

This is mindset that pervades the majority of English clubs. Allardyce, Moyes, How, Pulis, Dyche, Bruce, Hughes even some of the more cultured continental European managers will concede the need for Speed end product delivery exceeds the need for technical ability.

Iwobi can easily be classed as a luxury player as a result his price will be lower amongst other considerations.

tbaba1234:


I support Arsenal. I believe that Ox major problem is terrible inconsistency. He can be great in one game and utterly useless in the next. I mean terribly useless not just a bad game.

Iwobi is a growing player but has not shown that kind of huge inconsistencies.

Is Iwobi better? I am tempted to say yes.

Icon79:


Of course, Iwobi is better than Ox. Much better sef.

The only thing is that Iwobi needs to become a little more selfish and think about adding goal scoring to his game. Same with Victor Moses.
The problem with most naija players is that they are too much of team players that they don't think about padding their stats. But at the end of the day, the difference between you starting and sitting on the bench is your stats.

I think some of them are a little timid, but someone ought to tell me: if you have a chance of scoring then take the shot, even if you have a team mate to pass to. At the end of the day, if you miss then you can just apologize and move on....and if you score, no one can accuse you of being selfish. Point is, you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.

O pari

Icon79:


Of course, Iwobi is better than Ox. Much better sef.

The only thing is that Iwobi needs to become a little more selfish and think about adding goal scoring to his game. Same with Victor Moses.
The problem with most naija players is that they are too much of team players that they don't think about padding their stats. But at the end of the day, the difference between you starting and sitting on the bench is your stat.

I think some of them are a little timid, but someone ought to tell them: if you have a chance of scoring then take the shot, even if you have a team mate to pass to....be a little selfish and take the shot yourself. At the end of the day, if you miss then you can just apologize and move on....and if you score, no one can accuse you of being selfish. Point is, you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.

O pari

TheGoodJoe:


I guess you are missing the technique we are talking about. Iwobi is one player good in explaining it.

If Iwobi is in a tight situation with players around him and no room to cross, he will use his strength and technique to wriggle out of the situation. If there is room for him to cross, he will not go off pulling tricks.

Your so called players made runs when they were good options to pass and when in a good situation to cross, he held on to the ball longer than usual.

Iwobi fits what the EPL manager wants more than Oxlaide Chamberlain.

Most EPL managers will take Iwobi over Chamberlain. Even though the EPL is seen as a pacy League, the Kings are those who rule technically. Look at Costa, Moses, Silva, De Bruyne, Aguero, Coutinho, Lalana, Mane, Ozil, Sanchez, Carzola, Pogba, Ibrahimovic etc.

Playing with good technique does not mean running around like a headless chicken.

komekn:


With the exception if the continental European Managers (not all of them)

There will be a preference for the Ox the only thing against him is Injury prone tag that might impact on him negatively.

You need to understand that a lot of ( English) managers here value endeavour, determination, team discipline, stamina, strength and typical bulldog mentality over outright skill and technique.

I don't agree with it personally, most English players sorry the vast majority of English player lack technique and skill. But some how the forge very lucrative careers for themselves.

Why Admittedly racism plays apart but it's not the only consideration.

komekn:


With the exception if the continental European Managers (not all of them)

There will be a preference for the Ox the only thing against him is Injury prone tag that might impact on him negatively.

You need to understand that a lot of ( English) managers here value endeavour, determination, team discipline, stamina, strength and typical bulldog mentality over outright skill and technique.

I don't agree with it personally, most English players sorry the vast majority of English player lack technique and skill. But some how the forge very lucrative careers for themselves.

Why Admittedly racism plays apart but it's not the only consideration.

komekn:
Rose and Clyne get skill hmmm yes but skillful players capital No. However, Zaha , Llana, Sturridge, Barkley I go hear.

But English players in general lack technique and skill as a result most English managers don't always appreciate technically gifted players.

You are creating the terms of this discourse to suit your propositions. I am talking generally speaking and not just the top teams in the premiership.

komekn:
Rose and Clyne get skill hmmm yes but skillful players capital No. However, Zaha , Llana, Sturridge, Barkley I go hear.

But English players in general lack technique and skill as a result most English managers don't always appreciate technically gifted players.

You are creating the terms of this discourse to suit your propositions. I am talking generally speaking and not just the top teams in the premiership.

BlackAlbino6:
Angom ier Nana?

komekn:
If we are talking about the English premiership and Market value of players, can that discussion be done to the exclusion of English Managers.

Headers is a player with a very limited skill and technique set. However he is probably worth in excess of £20 million. In the context of the premiership he is considered exceptional. Looking at past masters like Gerrard and Lampard, these guys could score goals but in terms of outright skill and technical ability you wouldn't class them as such. The two of them have scored more goals from outside the 18 than any other players in the premiership.

Okocha in my opinion was skill personified. however in the premiership his end product delivery, well was not great.

Okocha possibly recorded the highest number of shots on goal but not a commensurate number of goals compared to his undeniable talent.

I am not giving you my outright view but the prevailing market consideration placed on players that will determine thier market value.


To decide which player is better will always be a matter of subjective opinion. This subject is far from objective. However, there are some things that are not in dispute such as statistics that can give us some indicators of quality.

komekn:
If we are talking about the English premiership and Market value of players, can that discussion be done to the exclusion of English Managers.

Headers is a player with a very limited skill and technique set. However he is probably worth in excess of £20 million. In the context of the premiership he is considered exceptional. Looking at past masters like Gerrard and Lampard, these guys could score goals but in terms of outright skill and technical ability you wouldn't class them as such. The two of them have scored more goals from outside the 18 than any other players in the premiership.

Okocha in my opinion was skill personified. however in the premiership his end product delivery, well was not great.

Okocha possibly recorded the highest number of shots on goal but not a commensurate number of goals compared to his undeniable talent.

I am not giving you my outright view but the prevailing market consideration placed on players that will determine thier market value.


To decide which player is better will always be a matter of subjective opinion. This subject is far from objective. However, there are some things that are not in dispute such as statistics that can give us some indicators of quality.