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| Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by cheruv: 2:15pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
Nowenuse:I made that statement so that you'd show your igbophobic hand which you've shown...its time to draw the curtains but before I do,just know that SE and SS Igboid tribes are forging a new destiny together in their new country Oke Ohaeze AlaIgbo and no amount of hate from you non Igboid SSners would stop that. Am telling you as an Anioma son ![]()
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| Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by Sctests: 2:18pm On Feb 10, 2017*. Modified: 2:15pm On Feb 11, 2017 |
Nowenuse:If you had a good working brain in that your muslim pro-dullard skull, your would have realised that nowhere in the world do people seek permission from their leaders and rulers before seeking to start a revolution- idealogical or physical. Kanu Nnamdi pulls more crowd than all SE and SS politicians combined even when they mobilize people with their stolen wealth for rallies. This is why Igbos are naturally intelligent than you. You pro-dullards just open your filthy mouths and blab after throwing away your brain into ogbomosho forests for ritualists to pick up and go sell. ![]() |
| Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by ODVanguard: 2:20pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
laudate:Chai! Na so Ojukwu jus mess up himself and his people via a needless war, when he could have gotten exactly what he went to war over without firing a single shot! Na over-sabi/thoughtless exuberrance/over-ambition cause am. Oh what a missed opportunity that was. The bobo should have been flogged thoroughly for such an epic blunder. |
| Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by laudate: 2:25pm On Feb 10, 2017*. Modified: 2:45pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
ODVanguard:So you sef don see am?? Ojukwu just wanted to be Commander-in-Chief of a sovereign nation, that is all. Initially, his whole rhetoric was centered on saving the Igbo from their traducers. But along the line, there was a paradigm shift and his followers did not realise it. Ojukwu had shifted his focus from just helping his people, to acquiring power at all costs. The story could have ended differently, if he had listened to wiser counsel from others. It is so sad. May the souls of the departed, rest in peace. ![]() |
| Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by Eledan: 2:44pm On Feb 10, 2017*. Modified: 3:10pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
Ojukwu really ffuccked up. No other way to explain his insane exuberance Meanwhile, Igbos are viewing this thread and running away, like they always do when they are confronted with undisputable historical facts of Nigeria ![]() |
| Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by zendy: 3:33pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
Nowenuse:Let me put it this way. Biafra is a democratic thing and not an elitist thing. Biafra is about the will of the majority and not the will of a privileged few. Biafra ia all that Nigeria is not. When Scotland voted in a 2014 Referendum on their freedom from Britain, nobdy cared about how the rich, politically connected or elite voted, it was about the majority. Thats the spirit of Biafra. As for the Biafrans being killed, it is Nigeria that is killing them. It is the Nigerian security firces shooting unarmed people. The Nigerian security forces have never needed a good reasob to brutalise or kill unarmed people, they do it everyday, Biafra or not. It is also one of the main reasons for seeking Biafra because when their is Biafra, Police and Military brutality will come to an end. So you see, you have no point to make |
| Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by MidolsStudent(m): 3:33pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
Sctests:lmao
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| Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by nku5: 3:51pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
TheSociopath:This showed the writer of this article up as an intellectually lazy writer of a very shitty article. The 1966 coup was hatched and executed by army officers who cut across various ethnic groups. Even Nzeogwu had northern soldiers with him when his group attacked Sardauna's residence. The country celebrated the overthrow of the government but when the revisionists and follow-follow people like the author of this article sold the mirage of "igbo coup" it set the stage for the massacre of innocent Igbos who knew nothing about the coup or politics. The writer is just a clown |
| Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by kettle84(m): 4:16pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
TheSociopath:Mr, speak for yourself and tribesmen! You can't force Nigeria down the throats of people who think they have had enough. Look at all the security and administrative establishment of Nigeria and tell yourself if igbos are well represented despite their huge population. Quota system and federal character has been Hausa/Fulani strategy to keep subduing Nigerians. Why should the best seaport and military formation be outside igbo land.why should Igbo land have the worst federal road network. Why should igbos be hated by other Nigerians for nothing. Why should igbo goods be seized at the ports and taken to northern Nigeria to be distributed to almagiris and IDPs .why should igboland have the highest number of check points as if it is a war zone and goods and food items like rice meant for Xmas taken away forcefully. Why is their no seaports in the southeast and southsouths.why should billions be a located to the reconstruction of the northeast but not one naira released to the southeast for reconstruction after a deadly civil war but all Igbo money in banks siezed and only #20 given for whatever amount any igbo has in banks even if its is £1billion .its is a new era and igbos are more aware of the insincerity of Nigeria and Nigerians. |
| Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by StOla: 4:29pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
laudate:Very incisive. The bitter people of biafra know the truth, that is why they are hurt and hate the fact that they lost about 1million souls (which is inflated to 3m or tankara's 7m), yet got unconditional surrender as reward for their efforts. |
| Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by StOla: 4:36pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
laudate:A foolish man gave up 90% of his craving only to run away to Abidjan, then the traumatised followers settled for 0% in an unconditional surrender? Now i understand the misery of the East. |
| Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by TheSociopath(op): 4:40pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
kettle84:This wasn't so before the coup and subsequently the civil war |
| Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by Eledan: 4:41pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
StOla:The man single handeldly changed the course of history and fortunes of millions of his brothers and sisters |
| Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by StOla: 4:59pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
kettle84:Those that have sea, have seaports like Apapa like Onne, like Calabar. Ondo and Ogun with sea don't have seaport, so why is landlocked SouthEast complaining about seaport? Must you always associate the SE with the SS to have some legitimacy? Is the SE that irrelevant? Can a castrated man complain about not having children? Nigerians whose monies where taken in the East and in the banks in Benin by Biafra, did not get a penny from anyone. You should be happy that you even got something after forcing the country to fight a war that is not meant to be a cash crop precipitating economic growth. Besides you got all the allocations accrueable to the East after the war. The hated Awolowo ensured you did, and also credited the banks to ensure loans can be easily sourced to revive the economy of that region. Any contraband would always be siezed and disposed of as the customs/government deem fit. No concessions would be made no matter the crocodile tears shed by the tribe committing the offence of criminal importation of goods. Or is contraband now know as Igbo goods? Or in typical victim-complex disorder, the contraband was targeted at Igbos? Quota system and federal character is good. It ensures you don't cry like a baby when a greedy tribe like yours siezes power and behave like you did in the aftermath of independence with the NCNC providing the administrative resources in the alliance with NPC. You long for those days, but you killed it with your greed. In one breath you canvassed for fair representation, but in another greedy Igbo breath you condemn quota system and federal character principle. You deceive no one, Igbo man. Whether checkpoint or not, Igbos are still scared to return to their villages due to security issues. A US military veteran was only killed recently after returning home. Many who vow not to return home are of the opinion that the checkpoints are a necessity in the East. Besides, checkpoints are everywhere in Nigeria, so enough of the crocodile tears. Igbos hated in Nigeria for nothing? It seems you didn't get the tribal memo that any Igbo man who has been welcomed in a community outside of his own, must then proceed to denigrate the culture, the people and their traditional authority and everything they hold dear and sacred. Who can love such a creature? |
| Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by Dedetwo(m): 5:10pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
TheSociopath:The bolded is a stream of illogicality from an ill-informed troll. Try to be logical for once. Whenever you realize the essence of the fact that the "center no longer hold" as in the case of July 29, 1966 Nigeria, you shall begin to grasp the idiocy of your write-up. |
| Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by Dedetwo(m): 5:17pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
StOla:Do not be silly on the Internet. The Biafra did not take any Nigerian money and certainly did not have anything to do with your delusional money in Benin. Whatever money in the defunct eastern region of Nigeria belonged to the eastern region. If you were smarter than a bee, you will not dwell on fallacies of yesteryears or craps written by the hacks. |
| Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by kettle84(m): 5:23pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
TheSociopath:why are you blaming a coupe masterminded by a band of soldiers who are not up to one dozen on the entire igbo nation. When Buhari, murtala and others did their coupes it was blamed on them not on their tribesmen. For humanity sake,the ordinary igbo man on the street have no idea about any coupe and should not bear any retaliation besides the said 1966 coupe was carried out not only by few igbo officers.it is good to call a spade a spade and not a shovel. |
| Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by Dedetwo(m): 5:30pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
laudate:The major problem I have with most Africans, and a thing that lend credence that Africans are intellectually lazy, is inability of most African to develop a "subject matter" in a discussion. Was there anytime in which Decree # 8 discussed in Aburi, Ghana? Why should bone-headed Gowon and his charlatans such as Philip Chukwuedo Asiodu hurriedly promulgated Decree 8 on arrival from Ghana? |
| Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by StOla: 5:31pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
Dedetwo:I guess monies just grew legs and military camouflage and dissapeared from the bank in Benin during the Biafran invasion of a neutral MidWest region? I reckon Ojukwu handed monies to Nigerians who were asked to leave the East but also had money in the banks? By your brilliant logic, whatever money in the rest of Nigeria at the onset of the war belong to the rest of Nigeria. Case closed! So why is kettyking and his miserable ilk shedding crocodile tears? Please console him. |
| Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by kettle84(m): 5:34pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
StOla:Mr,the old Eastern region has significant igbo population. Igbos are present in kogi,Benue, IMO,Anambra, Enugu,Delta,Delta,rivers,cross river,Abia,Edo(igbanke ).its is for your information that I listed the states because it is obvious from your statement that you need some traveling.you stated that igbos are scared of their home,Mr the IPOB protests was an eye opener to those who dwell in ignorance that igbos are scared of home.igbos are everywhere worldwide and many even more at home for your information .Investigations proved that scuffles in the matrimonial home of the USA veteran might have led to his death.igbo land is safe and secured not by the uncivilized NA terrorizing women and disabled people on wheelchair .our people are wiser and the division by states to reduce and subdue is dead on arrival (DOA)As for your other points with fighting to cover the truth with lies.I want to tell you that I don't engage in such rubbish aguements.my points are 100% valid and clear for all decent minds to read and comprehend. |
| Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by keally: 5:39pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
TheSociopath:. Keep on consoling youself with the effect of the civil war on Biafra, well the whole world virtually fought against us yet found it difficult to defeat us until they employed unconventional methods which included starvation, alliance with cameroun on the south with the promise of handing over Bakassi island, bombing of civillian population, massive genocide and many more. If another war happens now, be rest assured that Benue and Plateau officers which formed the bulk of the Nigerian fighters then won't be so readily committed to fighting for one Nigeria. A lot of ethnicities will rise to declare their sovereignty including the Niger Delta. This time rest of Nigeria will become the theatre of instead of Igboland. God will revenge the atrocities committed and still being committed against the Igbo Nation when the time comes. |
| Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by Dedetwo(m): 5:48pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
StOla:If you think in your warped mind of delusion that money in eastern region belonged to Nigeria or all Nigerians, why did Nigeria not hand over the share of eastern Nigerian after the war? It will be suicidal for Biafran soldier to wear a military camouflage issued to Nigerian army units. Only a fool, and must be a Nigerian, thinks Midwestern region was neutral during the war. The military governor of Midwestern region like his colleagues from Northern and Western regions sided with Gowon. Furthermore, Midwestern region was not only a training ground for Nigeria new recruits but a launching pad for Nigerian soldiers that attacked and captured Ubani (Bonny) in Eastern region. Adekunle and Ejoor made sure that Escravos, Midwestern region provided the launch pad for initial Nigeria coastal attack on eastern region. I do not know if you have enough brain cells to realize that July preceded August. By July 6, Bonny in eastern region has fallen to Nigerian units that based in Midwestern region. Midwestern region provided Nigeria and Gowon the recruits, materials and comfort zone to launch amphibious attacks on Eastern region of Nigeria. I guess you are a typical Nigeria who seems to embrace idiocy. |
| Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by seunowa(f): 5:52pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
laudate:Guy no mind him...I can see frustration written on his foreheadd |
| Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by seunowa(f): 5:57pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
Nowenuse:Pls ask dem again ooo...where are ekweremanddu,stellla odua children in dis their biafrat agitation... |
| Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by StOla: 6:03pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
Dedetwo:You dabble into a 20pounds debate that you don't even know anything about. Which makes you the perplexing idiot here. When you know something about it, then we can have a debate. I'm not here to lecture kids. |
| Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by seunowa(f): 6:07pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
laudate:Wetin u ddo dat guy..he is seriously crying...I hope say u no chop his ugwu soap... |
| Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by Dedetwo(m): 6:08pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
StOla:You seem to be lacking in human intellect. There is no place in my previous write up where I remotely refer to 20 pounds. I guess you have issue with comprehension too. At least, you could deal with dates of sequence events as they unfolded in 1966/7/8 Nigeria. It takes one idiot to recognize another in a perplexed condition. |
| Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by StOla: 6:23pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
Dedetwo:Like I already said about you, you just rushed into the debate without understanding the paragraph you were quoting, making you a perplexing idiot. Go back and look at the paragraph of my quote whose 1st sentence you put in bold and quoted with the above remarks. It is about the 20pound policy. Igbos decried the policy as though the war was fought to generate economic growth that should then be shared between the warring sides. It was a war that cost both sides money. Your side should be grateful for even getting 20pounds per individual who had bank money in the federal side. No Nigerian with bank money left behind in Biafra got any 20pounds from Nigeria or Biafra. The bank in Benin Nigeria was ransacked with millions carted away by Biafran soldiers. Anyway you have already judged the matter fairly that any money in Biafra before the war belonged to Biafra. So by that wonderful logic, the Igbos who got 20pounds from Nigeria for money left behind in Nigerian banks before the war, should return the 20pounds and all that accrued from it. Kettyking should stop crying over 20pounds the Biafrans did not deserve based on your logic. As a rebel section of the country, all federal allocations accruing to the East throughout the duration of the war were immediately released by Awolowo to the new East Central state that emerged after the war. That was very fair. |
| Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by Dedetwo(m): 7:10pm On Feb 10, 2017*. Modified: 7:36pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
StOla:I do not think it is wise to waste my precious time with a semi fool. A none easterner who had migrated to a region of his/her origin and might have left some money in bank in a defunct eastern region which is also operational in his/her region, given the circumstance in 1966 Nigeria, the none easterner still have all the amount of money in the bank because this same bank operated in Lagos, Kadun or Kano as it had operated in Enugu before the war. I know a good family friend who left Enugu for Lagos and did not have any issue in cashing his money from Barclays bank once the family arrived in Lagos. In the order hand, Ndigbo left money in the same Barclays bank in Lagos and were denied the opportunity to retrieve their money after the war because the Nigerian government confiscated it. If Nigeria claimed it left money in the coffers of Eastern region, it would have been wise to decide such issue on governmental level instead on the basis of individual level as was the case of your goofy 20 pound. You should bear in mind that defunct Eastern region comprised the states of Rivers, East Central and Southeastern states. Why in your silly mind that one state should bear the burden of the defunct Eastern regional government? I guess people in your class is one of the reasons Nigeria is a complete zoo. |
| Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by TheSociopath(op): 7:33pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
Dedetwo:I'm sorry for you. Sorry |
| Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by laudate: 8:05pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
StOla:No mind am. The answer has been published in various articles written about the war till date. You should ask him how many NdIgbo left money behind in Barclays bank, like he claimed. ![]() Many of them cleaned out their savings from the bank and ran to the East. This was in the days of banks carrying out transactions manually using huge ledgers and large notebooks, o! If you had money in a bank in Lagos, and you wanted to cash it through branches of the same bank in the '80s and 90s in a different state or region, it would be treated as an upcountry cheque and it would take minimum of 21 days to get that money. Not to now talk of during the '60s. Can you imagine how long it would have taken? Coupled with the fact that during the war, many branches in the SE and SS were closed down due to fear of attacks. Abeg, don't listen to their tales by moonlight, o! |
| Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by laudate: 8:10pm On Feb 10, 2017*. Modified: 10:44pm On Feb 10, 2017 |
In under to domicile or ratify a government decision, or enact a change, military govts issued decrees, through which they governed the people. Without a decree, a govt decision did not carry any legal backing or the full weight of the law. So that was why a decree was needed in order to translate the decisions reached at Aburi, into a legal instrument or into an agreement backed by law. ![]() Govt has lost countless cases in court, because they issued a regulation that was not backed by law or a decree to back it up. ![]() |
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Ojukwu just wanted to be Commander-in-Chief of a sovereign nation, that is all.
Initially, his whole rhetoric was centered on saving the Igbo from their traducers. But along the line, there was a paradigm shift and his followers did not realise it. Ojukwu had shifted his focus from just helping his people, to acquiring power at all costs. The story could have ended differently, if he had listened to wiser counsel from others. It is so sad. May the souls of the departed, rest in peace. 
A wise man would have accepted the decree, and pushed for its implementation, with a view to getting the rest of his demands met, at the end of some other day. But not Ojukwu. He threw everything out of the window, and announced a secession. Now, it is gratifying to see that some other folks have analysed the whole issue, and reached the same conclusion.