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Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by cheruv: 2:15pm On Feb 10, 2017
Nowenuse:


Ok, so, it's no longer about Biafra, but now, a republic of Igbo land? What does forging a new country imply?

You guys are terribly sick if u think you can pull any part of South-South together with you.
Until we start seeing core south-east political, traditional and religous leaders championing any greater Igbo republic course or whatever that will develop Igbo land to be among the best nationally and change the terrible mentality of Igbos, neither Anioma nor Ikwerre people will take you guys serious cos even you guys don't take yourselves serious.

Delta and Rivers state are more progressive than any of the South-east states or even than all of them combined. Why in fuucks sake are they ever going to join themselves with parasites?
I made that statement so that you'd show your igbophobic hand which you've shown...its time to draw the curtains but before I do,just know that SE and SS Igboid tribes are forging a new destiny together in their new country Oke Ohaeze AlaIgbo and no amount of hate from you non Igboid SSners would stop that.
Am telling you as an Anioma son cool

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Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by Sctests: 2:18pm On Feb 10, 2017
Nowenuse:


Ok, so, it's no longer about Biafra, but now, a republic of Igbo land? What does forging a new country imply?

You guys are terribly sick if u think you can pull any part of South-South together with you.
Until we start seeing core south-east political, traditional and religous leaders championing any greater Igbo republic course or whatever that will develop Igbo land to be among the best nationally and change the terrible mentality of Igbos, neither Anioma nor Ikwerre people will take you guys serious cos even you guys don't take yourselves serious.

Delta and Rivers state are more progressive than any of the South-east states or even than all of them combined. Why in fuucks sake are they ever going to join themselves with parasites?

If you had a good working brain in that your muslim pro-dullard skull, your would have realised that nowhere in the world do people seek permission from their leaders and rulers before seeking to start a revolution- idealogical or physical.

Kanu Nnamdi pulls more crowd than all SE and SS politicians combined even when they mobilize people with their stolen wealth for rallies.

This is why Igbos are naturally intelligent than you. You pro-dullards just open your filthy mouths and blab after throwing away your brain into ogbomosho forests for ritualists to pick up and go sell. grin grin

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Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by ODVanguard: 2:20pm On Feb 10, 2017
laudate:
Here is another view from a different commentator.




Chai! Na so Ojukwu jus mess up himself and his people via a needless war, when he could have gotten exactly what he went to war over without firing a single shot! Na over-sabi/thoughtless exuberrance/over-ambition cause am. Oh what a missed opportunity that was. The bobo should have been flogged thoroughly for such an epic blunder.

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Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by laudate: 2:25pm On Feb 10, 2017
ODVanguard:
Chai! Na so Ojukwu jus mess up himself and his people via a needless war, when he could have gotten exactly what he went to war over without firing a single shot! Na over-sabi/thoughtless exuberrance/over-ambition cause am. Oh what a missed a missed opportunity thay was. The bobo should have been flogged thoroughly for such an epic blunder.

So you sef don see am?? Ojukwu just wanted to be Commander-in-Chief of a sovereign nation, that is all. sad Initially, his whole rhetoric was centered on saving the Igbo from their traducers. But along the line, there was a paradigm shift and his followers did not realise it. Ojukwu had shifted his focus from just helping his people, to acquiring power at all costs. The story could have ended differently, if he had listened to wiser counsel from others. It is so sad. May the souls of the departed, rest in peace. undecided

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Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by Eledan: 2:44pm On Feb 10, 2017
Ojukwu really ffuccked up. No other way to explain his insane exuberance

Meanwhile, Igbos are viewing this thread and running away, like they always do when they are confronted with undisputable historical facts of Nigeria grin grin

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Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by zendy: 3:33pm On Feb 10, 2017
Nowenuse:


If not stupidity, why do many Igbos lack cognizance of the fact that almost all Igbo politicians, elites, powerful business men, religious and traditional leaders do not give a rat's ass about Biafra?
They seldom talk about it in the open let alone chamioning it, when they are the ones who are supposed to be at the forefront of the struggle in order to make it plausible..
We only see scoundrels, societal misfits, derelicts and all manners of low-life igbos killing themselves on Biafran issues. Is Biafran agitation only for the poor and faceless Igbos?


Let me put it this way. Biafra is a democratic thing and not an elitist thing. Biafra is about the will of the majority and not the will of a privileged few. Biafra ia all that Nigeria is not.

When Scotland voted in a 2014 Referendum on their freedom from Britain, nobdy cared about how the rich, politically connected or elite voted, it was about the majority. Thats the spirit of Biafra.

As for the Biafrans being killed, it is Nigeria that is killing them. It is the Nigerian security firces shooting unarmed people. The Nigerian security forces have never needed a good reasob to brutalise or kill unarmed people, they do it everyday, Biafra or not. It is also one of the main reasons for seeking Biafra because when their is Biafra, Police and Military brutality will come to an end.

So you see, you have no point to make

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Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by MidolsStudent(m): 3:33pm On Feb 10, 2017
Sctests:


Lmao! So that the strategy.

1) Form a fake Biafran name.

2.) Write a senseless 'objective' article with it deriding the Igbos and Biafrans.

3.) Mail it for publication to any anti-Biafran website.

4.) Anti-Biafran and muslim Zombies will read and then hail you for being 'an objective Igbo' who hate Biafra and is willing to unite with muslim yoruba and hausa skulls that detest Igbos.

That country is zoologically funny. grin grin




lmao

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Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by nku5: 3:51pm On Feb 10, 2017
TheSociopath:
Some of my detractors argued that secession was a necessary response to the mass-murder of the Igbo in northern Nigeria. Undoubtedly, that orchestrated slaughter of the innocent for no offense of theirs but their ethnicity was unconscionable. However, it would be selective amnesia to forget that the July 29th 1966 coup and the attendant anti-Igbo riots in the North did not sprout out of a void. They were in reprisal for an earlier coup in January 1966 in which an Igbo dominated group of army officers murdered the most important Hausa/Fulani political and military leaders (Ahmadu Bello, Tafawa Belewa and Zakari Miamalari) without killing any Igbo leader. And following the coup, the Igbo in the North became too celebrative; dancing and singing to a Rex Lawson song and telling their Hausa neighbors that the bleating of a goat in the song was Ahmadu Bello (the most important Hausa/Fulani leader) howling like a goat as he was being killed by Major Nzeogwu. It was the discriminatory killings and gratuitous mockery of the memory of their most important leader, amongst other reasons, that set the stage for the July 1966 anti-Igbo coup and the attendant anti-Igbo riots.


This showed the writer of this article up as an intellectually lazy writer of a very shitty article.

The 1966 coup was hatched and executed by army officers who cut across various ethnic groups.

Even Nzeogwu had northern soldiers with him when his group attacked Sardauna's residence. The country celebrated the overthrow of the government but when the revisionists and follow-follow people like the author of this article sold the mirage of "igbo coup" it set the stage for the massacre of innocent Igbos who knew nothing about the coup or politics.

The writer is just a clown

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Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by kettle84(m): 4:16pm On Feb 10, 2017
TheSociopath:
A word is enough for the wise. You can continue your agitation. I'm not tribalistic but maybe the next civil war will reduce the Nigerian Igbos to just 2000 in total population.
Mr, speak for yourself and tribesmen! You can't force Nigeria down the throats of people who think they have had enough. Look at all the security and administrative establishment of Nigeria and tell yourself if igbos are well represented despite their huge population. Quota system and federal character has been Hausa/Fulani strategy to keep subduing Nigerians. Why should the best seaport and military formation be outside igbo land.why should Igbo land have the worst federal road network. Why should igbos be hated by other Nigerians for nothing. Why should igbo goods be seized at the ports and taken to northern Nigeria to be distributed to almagiris and IDPs .why should igboland have the highest number of check points as if it is a war zone and goods and food items like rice meant for Xmas taken away forcefully. Why is their no seaports in the southeast and southsouths.why should billions be a located to the reconstruction of the northeast but not one naira released to the southeast for reconstruction after a deadly civil war but all Igbo money in banks siezed and only #20 given for whatever amount any igbo has in banks even if its is £1billion .its is a new era and igbos are more aware of the insincerity of Nigeria and Nigerians.

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Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by StOla: 4:29pm On Feb 10, 2017
laudate:


Alright, o! shocked When I mentioned in another thread, that Decree 8 met 80% of the demands Ojukwu made at Aburi, some simpletons rained invectives on me. angry A wise man would have accepted the decree, and pushed for its implementation, with a view to getting the rest of his demands met, at the end of some other day. But not Ojukwu. He threw everything out of the window, and announced a secession. Now, it is gratifying to see that some other folks have analysed the whole issue, and reached the same conclusion.

Here is another view shared by former super permanent secretary Philip Chukwuedo Asiodu's in an old interview concerning Decree 8 of 1967:





Very incisive.

The bitter people of biafra know the truth, that is why they are hurt and hate the fact that they lost about 1million souls (which is inflated to 3m or tankara's 7m), yet got unconditional surrender as reward for their efforts.

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Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by StOla: 4:36pm On Feb 10, 2017
laudate:
Here is another view from a different commentator.




A foolish man gave up 90% of his craving only to run away to Abidjan, then the traumatised followers settled for 0% in an unconditional surrender?

Now i understand the misery of the East.

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Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by TheSociopath(m): 4:40pm On Feb 10, 2017
kettle84:
Mr, speak for yourself and tribesmen! You can't force Nigeria down the throats of people who think they have had enough. Look at all the security and administrative establishment of Nigeria and tell yourself if igbos are well represented despite their huge population. Quota system and federal character has been Hausa/Fulani strategy to keep subduing Nigerians. Why should the best seaport and military formation be outside igbo land.why should Igbo land have the worst federal road network. Why should igbos be hated by other Nigerians for nothing. Why should igbo goods be seized at the ports and taken to northern Nigeria to be distributed to almagiris and IDPs .why should igboland have the highest number of check points as if it is a war zone and goods and food items like rice meant for Xmas taken away forcefully. Why is their no seaports in the southeast and southsouths.why should billions be a located to the reconstruction of the northeast but not one naira released to the southeast for reconstruction after a deadly civil war but all Igbo money in banks siezed and only #20 given for whatever amount any igbo has in banks even if its is £1billion .its is a new era and igbos are more aware of the insincerity of Nigeria and Nigerians.

This wasn't so before the coup and subsequently the civil war
Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by Eledan: 4:41pm On Feb 10, 2017
StOla:


A foolish man gave up 90% of his craving only to run away to Abidjan, then the traumatised followers settled for 0% in an unconditional surrender?

Now i understand the misery of the East.

The man single handeldly changed the course of history and fortunes of millions of his brothers and sisters

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Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by StOla: 4:59pm On Feb 10, 2017
kettle84:
Mr, speak for yourself and tribesmen! You can't force Nigeria down the throats of people who think they have had enough. Look at all the security and administrative establishment of Nigeria and tell yourself if igbos are well represented despite their huge population. Quota system and federal character has been Hausa/Fulani strategy to keep subduing Nigerians. Why should the best seaport and military formation be outside igbo land.why should Igbo land have the worst federal road network. Why should igbos be hated by other Nigerians for nothing. Why should igbo goods be seized at the ports and taken to northern Nigeria to be distributed to almagiris and IDPs .why should igboland have the highest number of check points as if it is a war zone and goods and food items like rice meant for Xmas taken away forcefully. Why is their no seaports in the southeast and southsouths.why should billions be a located to the reconstruction of the northeast but not one naira released to the southeast for reconstruction after a deadly civil war but all Igbo money in banks siezed and only #20 given for whatever amount any igbo has in banks even if its is £1billion .its is a new era and igbos are more aware of the insincerity of Nigeria and Nigerians.

Those that have sea, have seaports like Apapa like Onne, like Calabar.

Ondo and Ogun with sea don't have seaport, so why is landlocked SouthEast complaining about seaport? Must you always associate the SE with the SS to have some legitimacy? Is the SE that irrelevant?
Can a castrated man complain about not having children?

Nigerians whose monies where taken in the East and in the banks in Benin by Biafra, did not get a penny from anyone. You should be happy that you even got something after forcing the country to fight a war that is not meant to be a cash crop precipitating economic growth. Besides you got all the allocations accrueable to the East after the war. The hated Awolowo ensured you did, and also credited the banks to ensure loans can be easily sourced to revive the economy of that region.

Any contraband would always be siezed and disposed of as the customs/government deem fit. No concessions would be made no matter the crocodile tears shed by the tribe committing the offence of criminal importation of goods. Or is contraband now know as Igbo goods? Or in typical victim-complex disorder, the contraband was targeted at Igbos?

Quota system and federal character is good. It ensures you don't cry like a baby when a greedy tribe like yours siezes power and behave like you did in the aftermath of independence with the NCNC providing the administrative resources in the alliance with NPC. You long for those days, but you killed it with your greed.

In one breath you canvassed for fair representation, but in another greedy Igbo breath you condemn quota system and federal character principle. You deceive no one, Igbo man.

Whether checkpoint or not, Igbos are still scared to return to their villages due to security issues. A US military veteran was only killed recently after returning home. Many who vow not to return home are of the opinion that the checkpoints are a necessity in the East. Besides, checkpoints are everywhere in Nigeria, so enough of the crocodile tears.

Igbos hated in Nigeria for nothing? It seems you didn't get the tribal memo that any Igbo man who has been welcomed in a community outside of his own, must then proceed to denigrate the culture, the people and their traditional authority and everything they hold dear and sacred.

Who can love such a creature?

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Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by Dedetwo(m): 5:10pm On Feb 10, 2017
TheSociopath:
The enduring grip of historical falsehoods on Igbo minds continues to poison both Igbo culture and psyche.

BY TOCHUKWU EZUKANMA FEB 06, 2017

My recent article, the messages of Ahiara, an incisive piece buttressed with logic and reason, which refuted some popular but erroneous notions of tribalism and secession in Nigeria, drew a lot of hostile responses from some of my readers. They lobbed curses and hauled invectives at me. However, to me, it was all exhilarating. I relish rejoinders to my writings, be them abusive or appreciative.


One of my milder critics accused me of demonstrated dislike for Biafra and its leadership. Yes, [b]I detest the Biafra leadership because, in its recklessness, arrogance and despotism, it brought about the death of hundreds of thousands at the glory of their youth and the starvation to death of more than one million hapless and blameless men, women and children. It dismantled the Igbo power structure, painstakingly put together over decades by the likes of Nnamdi Azikiwe, Louis Odumegwu Ojukwu, and Michael Okpara, and set the Igbo back by at least 100 years.[/b] Why would any Igbo not despise a leadership that brought so much, avoidable, suffering, pain and sorrow to the Igbo?

Some of my detractors argued that secession was a necessary response to the mass-murder of the Igbo in northern Nigeria. Undoubtedly, that orchestrated slaughter of the innocent for no offense of theirs but their ethnicity was unconscionable. However, it would be selective amnesia to forget that the July 29th 1966 coup and the attendant anti-Igbo riots in the North did not sprout out of a void. They were in reprisal for an earlier coup in January 1966 in which an Igbo dominated group of army officers murdered the most important Hausa/Fulani political and military leaders (Ahmadu Bello, Tafawa Belewa and Zakari Miamalari) without killing any Igbo leader. And following the coup, the Igbo in the North became too celebrative; dancing and singing to a Rex Lawson song and telling their Hausa neighbors that the bleating of a goat in the song was Ahmadu Bello (the most important Hausa/Fulani leader) howling like a goat as he was being killed by Major Nzeogwu. It was the discriminatory killings and gratuitous mockery of the memory of their most important leader, amongst other reasons, that set the stage for the July 1966 anti-Igbo coup and the attendant anti-Igbo riots.

After the killings in the January and July coups and that unsurpassed butchery of Igbo civilians in northern Nigeria, there was a desperate need for peace in the country. In search of peace, the regional governors, David Ejoor, Usman Katsina, Robert Adebayo and Chukwuemeka Ojukwu, and the Head of State, Yakubu Gowon, met at Aburi in Ghana, where they agreed on and signed the Aburi Accord. The most significant aspect of the accord was constitutional: the reduction of the powers of the federal government by devolution of additional powers to regional governments. Long ago, an Igbo professor of political science at Howard University in Washington, DC told me that Yakubu Gowon implemented the Aburi Accord. To me, his statement was not only unbelievable but sacrilegious. I lost my temper at what I thought was historical revisionism taken to a nauseating extreme. The elderly professor must have understood my problem. I was suffering from a hangover of the Biafran propaganda. I was under the stupefying hold of the lies we were fed in Biafra. For he stated, “don’t worry, with time, in the course of your reading and research, you will find out that Gowon implemented the Aburi Accord”.

Years later, I found out that Gowon implemented the Aburi Accord. In his book, Power Sharing in Nigerian Federation, Chukwuemeka Nwokedi wrote that, “Apart from minor adjustments to the Aburi Accord, in other to still retain the corporate nature of Nigeria”, Gowon implemented the Aburi Accord with Decree 8; “and the regions acquired more powers than they have ever had”. That was months before the continued wrangling between Ojukwu and Gowon led to the creation of states. But did Ojukwu not declare Biafra and we marched out to war on the mantra, “On Aburi We Stand”. According to other writers, the minor adjustments Gowon made to the accord was the cancelation of two articles of the accord, which stated that any region can secede from Nigeria at will, and that the federal government can, on no account, impose a state of emergency on any region. Ojukwu’s advisers urged him to accept Decree 8 because Gowon had “gone more than far enough”. He refused.

The removal of the two articles of the accord did not in any way imperil the lives and property of the Igbo and other peoples of Eastern Region. Ojukwu’s squabbling, against the advice of his advisers, over the two articles was solely motivated by personal ambition. Following Ojukwu’s declaration of Biafra, the war inevitably started. As it raged on, it was obvious that a negotiated settlement to the war would be most advantageous to the Igbo. Ojukwu’s obsession with maintaining himself in power stalled the peace talks that would have extracted for the Igbo a number of concessions from the federal government. Despite the enormous toll of the war, especially, on human lives, he kept protecting his position and power, until it became untenable. And, as Biafra collapsed, he ran away; Biafra surrendered unconditionally.

A litany of the falsehood we were fed in Biafra is beyond the scope of this article. David Klinghoffer was right when he wrote that, “Widespread misinformation poisons a culture”. The enduring grip of these falsehoods on Igbo minds continues to poison both Igbo culture and psyche. They make us paranoid – we feel surrounded by enemies committed to our destruction, and in our suspicion of these “enemies” we see ulterior motives in every act, no matter how well-intended and benign, by other Nigerians. In addition, they make us feel like innocent victims of the evil devices of an alliance of the other Nigerian ethnic groups. And like perennial victims we refuse to take responsibilities for our actions; we find psychological refuge in blaming others, the Yoruba, Hausa/Fulani, etc, for our problems.

Blaming others for your problems is gratifying but destructive; it reinforces the feeling of victimhood. The mindset that sustains a feeling of victimhood is antithetical to victory. Therefore, a victim remains a loser until he changes his mindset. For our own good, the Igbo need to change their attitude towards Nigeria and the other peoples of Nigeria. This demands rising above the misinformation of the Biafran propaganda by embracing some incontrovertible historical facts. This will enable us to realize that our problems stemmed not from the hatred and wicked machination of the Hausa, Yoruba and other ethnic groups of Nigeria, but from repeated political blunders of Igbo leaders, especially, Chukwuemeka Ojukwu.

Otherwise, our political fortune, clout and relevance will continue to decline. It has declined to a point, where a proud and resourceful people that, in their triumphalism, once boasted of dominating not only Nigeria but the whole of Africa now whimper and snivel over trivialities like a disconsolate old widow.


Source: http://saharareporters.com/2017/02/06/misinformation-continues-poison-our-minds-tochukwu-ezukanma

The bolded is a stream of illogicality from an ill-informed troll. Try to be logical for once. Whenever you realize the essence of the fact that the "center no longer hold" as in the case of July 29, 1966 Nigeria, you shall begin to grasp the idiocy of your write-up.

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Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by Dedetwo(m): 5:17pm On Feb 10, 2017
StOla:


Those that have sea, have seaports like Apapa like Onne, like Calabar.

Ondo and Ogun with sea don't have seaport, so why is landlocked SouthEast complaining about seaport? Must you always associate the SE with the SS to have some legitimacy? Is the SE that irrelevant?
Can a castrated man complain about not having children?

Nigerians whose monies where taken in the East and in the banks in Benin by Biafra, did not get a penny from anyone. You should be happy that you even got something after forcing the country to fight a war that is not meant to be a cash crop precipitating economic growth. Besides you got all the allocations accrueable to the East after the war. The hated Awolowo ensured you did, and also credited the banks to ensure loans can be easily sourced to revive the economy of that region.

Any contraband would always be siezed and disposed of as the customs/government deem fit. No concessions would be made no matter the crocodile tears shed by the tribe committing the offence of criminal importation of goods. Or is contraband now know as Igbo goods? Or in typical victim-complex disorder, the contraband was targeted at Igbos?

Quota system and federal character is good. It ensures you don't cry like a baby when a greedy tribe like yours siezes power and behave like you did in the aftermath of independence with the NCNC providing the administrative resources in the alliance with NPC. You long for those days, but you killed it with your greed.

In one breath you canvassed for fair representation, but in another greedy Igbo breath you condemn quota system and federal character principle. You deceive no one, Igbo man.

Whether checkpoint or not, Igbos are still scared to return to their villages due to security issues. A US military veteran was only killed recently after returning home. Many who vow not to return home are of the opinion that the checkpoints are a necessity in the East. Besides, checkpoints are everywhere in Nigeria, so enough of the crocodile tears.

Igbos hated in Nigeria for nothing? It seems you didn't get the tribal memo that any Igbo man who has been welcomed in a community outside of his own, must then proceed to denigrate the culture, the people and their traditional authority and everything they hold dear and sacred.

Who can love such a creature?

Do not be silly on the Internet. The Biafra did not take any Nigerian money and certainly did not have anything to do with your delusional money in Benin. Whatever money in the defunct eastern region of Nigeria belonged to the eastern region. If you were smarter than a bee, you will not dwell on fallacies of yesteryears or craps written by the hacks.

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Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by kettle84(m): 5:23pm On Feb 10, 2017
TheSociopath:


This wasn't so before the coup and subsequently the civil war
why are you blaming a coupe masterminded by a band of soldiers who are not up to one dozen on the entire igbo nation. When Buhari, murtala and others did their coupes it was blamed on them not on their tribesmen. For humanity sake,the ordinary igbo man on the street have no idea about any coupe and should not bear any retaliation besides the said 1966 coupe was carried out not only by few igbo officers.it is good to call a spade a spade and not a shovel.
Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by Dedetwo(m): 5:30pm On Feb 10, 2017
laudate:


Alright, o! shocked When I mentioned in another thread, that Decree 8 met 80% of the demands Ojukwu made at Aburi, some simpletons rained invectives on me. angry A wise man would have accepted the decree, and pushed for its implementation, with a view to getting the rest of his demands met, at the end of some other day. But not Ojukwu. He threw everything out of the window, and announced a secession. Now, it is gratifying to see that some other folks have analysed the whole issue, and reached the same conclusion.

Here is another view shared by former super permanent secretary Philip Chukwuedo Asiodu's in an old interview concerning Decree 8 of 1967:





The major problem I have with most Africans, and a thing that lend credence that Africans are intellectually lazy, is inability of most African to develop a "subject matter" in a discussion. Was there anytime in which Decree # 8 discussed in Aburi, Ghana? Why should bone-headed Gowon and his charlatans such as Philip Chukwuedo Asiodu hurriedly promulgated Decree 8 on arrival from Ghana?

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Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by StOla: 5:31pm On Feb 10, 2017
Dedetwo:


Do not be silly on the Internet. The Biafra did not take any Nigerian money and certainly did not have anything to do with your delusional money in Benin. Whatever money in the defunct eastern region of Nigeria belonged to the eastern region. If you were smarter than a bee, you will not dwell on fallacies of yesteryears or craps written by the hacks.

I guess monies just grew legs and military camouflage and dissapeared from the bank in Benin during the Biafran invasion of a neutral MidWest region? I reckon Ojukwu handed monies to Nigerians who were asked to leave the East but also had money in the banks?

By your brilliant logic, whatever money in the rest of Nigeria at the onset of the war belong to the rest of Nigeria. Case closed!

So why is kettyking and his miserable ilk shedding crocodile tears? Please console him.

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Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by kettle84(m): 5:34pm On Feb 10, 2017
StOla:


Those that have sea, have seaports like Apapa like Onne, like Calabar.

Ondo and Ogun with sea don't have seaport, so why is landlocked SouthEast complaining about seaport? Must you always associate the SE with the SS to have some legitimacy? Is the SE that irrelevant?
Can a castrated man complain about not having children?

Nigerians whose monies where taken in the East and in the banks in Benin by Biafra, did not get a penny from anyone. You should be happy that you even got something after forcing the country to fight a war that is not meant to be a cash crop precipitating economic growth. Besides you got all the allocations accrueable to the East after the war. The hated Awolowo ensured you did, and also credited the banks to ensure loans can be easily sourced to revive the economy of that region.

Any contraband would always be siezed and disposed of as the customs/government deem fit. No concessions would be made no matter the crocodile tears shed by the tribe committing the offence of criminal importation of goods. Or is contraband now know as Igbo goods? Or in typical victim-complex disorder, the contraband was targeted at Igbos?

Quota system and federal character is good. It ensures you don't cry like a baby when a greedy tribe like yours siezes power and behave like you did in the aftermath of independence with the NCNC providing the administrative resources in the alliance with NPC. You long for those days, but you killed it with your greed.

In one breath you canvassed for fair representation, but in another greedy Igbo breath you condemn quota system and federal character principle. You deceive no one, Igbo man.

Whether checkpoint or not, Igbos are still scared to return to their villages due to security issues. A US military veteran was only killed recently after returning home. Many who vow not to return home are of the opinion that the checkpoints are a necessity in the East. Besides, checkpoints are everywhere in Nigeria, so enough of the crocodile tears.

Igbos hated in Nigeria for nothing? It seems you didn't get the tribal memo that any Igbo man who has been welcomed in a community outside of his own, must then proceed to denigrate the culture, the people and their traditional authority and everything they hold dear and sacred.

Who can love such a creature?
Mr,the old Eastern region has significant igbo population. Igbos are present in kogi,Benue, IMO,Anambra, Enugu,Delta,Delta,rivers,cross river,Abia,Edo(igbanke ).its is for your information that I listed the states because it is obvious from your statement that you need some traveling.you stated that igbos are scared of their home,Mr the IPOB protests was an eye opener to those who dwell in ignorance that igbos are scared of home.igbos are everywhere worldwide and many even more at home for your information .Investigations proved that scuffles in the matrimonial home of the USA veteran might have led to his death.igbo land is safe and secured not by the uncivilized NA terrorizing women and disabled people on wheelchair .our people are wiser and the division by states to reduce and subdue is dead on arrival (DOA)As for your other points with fighting to cover the truth with lies.I want to tell you that I don't engage in such rubbish aguements.my points are 100% valid and clear for all decent minds to read and comprehend.

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Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by keally: 5:39pm On Feb 10, 2017
TheSociopath:
A word is enough for the wise. You can continue your agitation. I'm not tribalistic but maybe the next civil war will reduce the Nigerian Igbos to just 2000 in total population.
. Keep on consoling youself with the effect of the civil war on Biafra, well the whole world virtually fought against us yet found it difficult to defeat us until they employed unconventional methods which included starvation, alliance with cameroun on the south with the promise of handing over Bakassi island, bombing of civillian population, massive genocide and many more. If another war happens now, be rest assured that Benue and Plateau officers which formed the bulk of the Nigerian fighters then won't be so readily committed to fighting for one Nigeria. A lot of ethnicities will rise to declare their sovereignty including the Niger Delta. This time rest of Nigeria will become the theatre of instead of Igboland. God will revenge the atrocities committed and still being committed against the Igbo Nation when the time comes.
Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by Dedetwo(m): 5:48pm On Feb 10, 2017
StOla:


I guess monies just grew legs and military camouflage and dissapeared from the bank in Benin during the Biafran invasion of a neutral MidWest region? I reckon Ojukwu handed monies to Nigerians who were asked to leave the East but also had money in the banks?

By your brilliant logic, whatever money in the rest of Nigeria at the onset of the war belong to the rest of Nigeria. Case closed!

So why is kettyking and his miserable ilk shedding crocodile tears? Please console him.

If you think in your warped mind of delusion that money in eastern region belonged to Nigeria or all Nigerians, why did Nigeria not hand over the share of eastern Nigerian after the war? It will be suicidal for Biafran soldier to wear a military camouflage issued to Nigerian army units. Only a fool, and must be a Nigerian, thinks Midwestern region was neutral during the war. The military governor of Midwestern region like his colleagues from Northern and Western regions sided with Gowon. Furthermore, Midwestern region was not only a training ground for Nigeria new recruits but a launching pad for Nigerian soldiers that attacked and captured Ubani (Bonny) in Eastern region. Adekunle and Ejoor made sure that Escravos, Midwestern region provided the launch pad for initial Nigeria coastal attack on eastern region. I do not know if you have enough brain cells to realize that July preceded August. By July 6, Bonny in eastern region has fallen to Nigerian units that based in Midwestern region. Midwestern region provided Nigeria and Gowon the recruits, materials and comfort zone to launch amphibious attacks on Eastern region of Nigeria. I guess you are a typical Nigeria who seems to embrace idiocy.

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Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by seunowa(f): 5:52pm On Feb 10, 2017
laudate:


Why is my presence on this board paining you so much, you chameleon with multiple identities? Don't develop high-blood pressure, o!
Guy no mind him...I can see frustration written on his foreheadd

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Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by seunowa(f): 5:57pm On Feb 10, 2017
Nowenuse:


If not stupidity, why do many Igbos lack cognizance of the fact that almost all Igbo politicians, elites, powerful business men, religious and traditional leaders do not give a rat's ass about Biafra?
They seldom talk about it in the open let alone chamioning it, when they are the ones who are supposed to be at the forefront of the struggle in order to make it plausible..
We only see scoundrels, societal misfits, derelicts and all manners of low-life igbos killing themselves on Biafran issues. Is Biafran agitation only for the poor and faceless Igbos?
Pls ask dem again ooo...where are ekweremanddu,stellla odua children in dis their biafrat agitation...

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Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by StOla: 6:03pm On Feb 10, 2017
Dedetwo:


If you think in your warped mind of delusion that money in eastern region belonged to Nigeria or all Nigerians, why did Nigeria not hand over the share of eastern Nigerian after the war? It will be suicidal for Biafran soldier to wear a military camouflage issued to Nigerian army units. Only a fool, and must be a Nigerian, thinks Midwestern region was neutral during the war. The military governor of Midwestern region like his colleagues from Northern and Western regions sided with Gowon. Furthermore, Midwestern region was not only a training ground for Nigeria new recruits but a launching pad for Nigerian soldiers that attacked and captured Ubani (Bonny) in Eastern region. Adekunle and Ejoor made sure that Escravos, Midwestern region provided the launch pad for initial Nigeria coastal attack on eastern region. I do not know if you have enough brain cells to realize that July preceded August. By July 6, Bonny in eastern region has fallen to Nigerian units that based in Midwestern region. Midwestern region provided Nigeria and Gowon the recruits, materials and comfort zone to launch amphibious attacks on Eastern region of Nigeria. I guess you are a typical Nigeria who seems to embrace idiocy.


You dabble into a 20pounds debate that you don't even know anything about. Which makes you the perplexing idiot here.

When you know something about it, then we can have a debate. I'm not here to lecture kids.

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Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by seunowa(f): 6:07pm On Feb 10, 2017
laudate:


Chai!! This matter don pain you enter bone, o! shocked Eeyah, oya take my advice. Take the next turn on your left, and then go straight on. You will get to a market. At the gate of the market is a huge transformer. Quickly hug it with wet hands. Then come back in here, to share your experience. It should cure you of your obsession with me, you chameleon with multiple identities. sad
Wetin u ddo dat guy..he is seriously crying...I hope say u no chop his ugwu soap...

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Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by Dedetwo(m): 6:08pm On Feb 10, 2017
StOla:



You dabble into a 20pounds debate that you don't even know anything about. Which makes you the perplexing idiot here.

When you know something about it, then we can have a debate. I'm not here to lecture kids.

You seem to be lacking in human intellect. There is no place in my previous write up where I remotely refer to 20 pounds. I guess you have issue with comprehension too. At least, you could deal with dates of sequence events as they unfolded in 1966/7/8 Nigeria. It takes one idiot to recognize another in a perplexed condition.

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Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by StOla: 6:23pm On Feb 10, 2017
Dedetwo:


Do not be silly on the Internet. The Biafra did not take any Nigerian money and certainly did not have anything to do with your delusional money in Benin. Whatever money in the defunct eastern region of Nigeria belonged to the eastern region. If you were smarter than a bee, you will not dwell on fallacies of yesteryears or craps written by the hacks.

Like I already said about you, you just rushed into the debate without understanding the paragraph you were quoting, making you a perplexing idiot.

Go back and look at the paragraph of my quote whose 1st sentence you put in bold and quoted with the above remarks. It is about the 20pound policy. Igbos decried the policy as though the war was fought to generate economic growth that should then be shared between the warring sides.

It was a war that cost both sides money. Your side should be grateful for even getting 20pounds per individual who had bank money in the federal side. No Nigerian with bank money left behind in Biafra got any 20pounds from Nigeria or Biafra.

The bank in Benin Nigeria was ransacked with millions carted away by Biafran soldiers.

Anyway you have already judged the matter fairly that any money in Biafra before the war belonged to Biafra. So by that wonderful logic, the Igbos who got 20pounds from Nigeria for money left behind in Nigerian banks before the war, should return the 20pounds and all that accrued from it.

Kettyking should stop crying over 20pounds the Biafrans did not deserve based on your logic. As a rebel section of the country, all federal allocations accruing to the East throughout the duration of the war were immediately released by Awolowo to the new East Central state that emerged after the war. That was very fair.

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Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by Dedetwo(m): 7:10pm On Feb 10, 2017
StOla:


Like I already said about you, you just rushed into the debate without understanding the paragraph you were quoting, making you a perplexing idiot.

Go back and look at the paragraph of my quote whose 1st sentence you put in bold and quoted with the above remarks. It is about the 20pound policy. Igbos decried the policy as though the war was fought to generate economic growth that should then be shared between the warring sides.

It was a war that cost both sides money. Your side should be grateful for even getting 20pounds per individual who had bank money in the federal side. No Nigerian with bank money left behind in Biafra got any 20pounds from Nigeria or Biafra.

The bank in Benin Nigeria was ransacked with millions carted away by Biafran soldiers.

Anyway you have already judged the matter fairly that any money in Biafra before the war belonged to Biafra. So by that wonderful logic, the Igbos who got 20pounds from Nigeria for money left behind in Nigerian banks before the war, should return the 20pounds and all that accrued from it.

Kettyking should stop crying over 20pounds the Biafrans did not deserve based on your logic. As a rebel section of the country, all federal allocations accruing to the East throughout the duration of the war were immediately released by Awolowo to the new East Central state that emerged after the war. That was very fair.

I do not think it is wise to waste my precious time with a semi fool. A none easterner who had migrated to a region of his/her origin and might have left some money in bank in a defunct eastern region which is also operational in his/her region, given the circumstance in 1966 Nigeria, the none easterner still have all the amount of money in the bank because this same bank operated in Lagos, Kadun or Kano as it had operated in Enugu before the war. I know a good family friend who left Enugu for Lagos and did not have any issue in cashing his money from Barclays bank once the family arrived in Lagos.

In the order hand, Ndigbo left money in the same Barclays bank in Lagos and were denied the opportunity to retrieve their money after the war because the Nigerian government confiscated it. If Nigeria claimed it left money in the coffers of Eastern region, it would have been wise to decide such issue on governmental level instead on the basis of individual level as was the case of your goofy 20 pound. You should bear in mind that defunct Eastern region comprised the states of Rivers, East Central and Southeastern states. Why in your silly mind that one state should bear the burden of the defunct Eastern regional government? I guess people in your class is one of the reasons Nigeria is a complete zoo.

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Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by TheSociopath(m): 7:33pm On Feb 10, 2017
Dedetwo:


The bolded is a stream of illogicality from an ill-informed troll. Try to be logical for once. Whenever you realize the essence of the fact that the "center no longer hold" as in the case of July 29, 1966 Nigeria, you shall begin to grasp the idiocy of your write-up.

I'm sorry for you. Sorry

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Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by laudate: 8:05pm On Feb 10, 2017
StOla:
You dabble into a 20pounds debate that you don't even know anything about. Which makes you the perplexing idiot here.

When you know something about it, then we can have a debate. I'm not here to lecture kids.

No mind am. The answer has been published in various articles written about the war till date. You should ask him how many NdIgbo left money behind in Barclays bank, like he claimed. sad

Many of them cleaned out their savings from the bank and ran to the East. This was in the days of banks carrying out transactions manually using huge ledgers and large notebooks, o! shocked There was no internet banking at that time.

If you had money in a bank in Lagos, and you wanted to cash it through branches of the same bank in the '80s and 90s in a different state or region, it would be treated as an upcountry cheque and it would take minimum of 21 days to get that money. Not to now talk of during the '60s. Can you imagine how long it would have taken? sad Coupled with the fact that during the war, many branches in the SE and SS were closed down due to fear of attacks. Abeg, don't listen to their tales by moonlight, o!

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Re: The Enduring Grip Of Historical Falsehoods On Igbo Minds by laudate: 8:10pm On Feb 10, 2017
In under to domicile or ratify a government decision, or enact a change, military govts issued decrees, through which they governed the people. Without a decree, a govt decision did not carry any legal backing or the full weight of the law. So that was why a decree was needed in order to translate the decisions reached at Aburi, into a legal instrument or into an agreement backed by law. undecided

Govt has lost countless cases in court, because they issued a regulation that was not backed by law or a decree to back it up. sad

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