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Omudia:
The bolded is a lie. FriendChoice is one of the Muslims who insult Jesus Christ here on this forum. And that's sad because the Quran acknowledges Jesus Christ as Savior.

Get it clear, islamically, if FriendChoice insults Jesus Christ, he ceases to be a muslim and every muslim is aware of that (FriendChoice inclusive, if he is one).

If u are able to prove it with evidence, I will tell, he is not a muslim.

In Islam, it is sacrilegious to insult any prophet, and Jesus Christ (Isa (a.s)) is duly recognised as not just a prophet but one of the principal prophets.

As I have earlier stated, belief in all the prophets is an integral part of the muslims' Articles of Faith.

Pls, if u come across anyone insulting Jesus Christ anywhere and he claims to be a muslim, he is just claiming because he is not.

There was even a heated argument on this forum sometimes back in which Christians started associating Jesus Christ with lewd things claiming they were made by Muslims. However, I engaged the poster to prove his point but he couldn't and I concluded he was just trying to win cheap points.

Note also, muslims don't even repeat the words of insults against any prophet cos doing that is likened to doing same. (Insulting him too).

analice107:
No. Reason is, I know from their koran they are enjoined never to have me as their friend. If they are close to me is because they are pretending, waiting when they can cut me down.
If i didn't know about them, i could have them as friends, but i know their Kidman law.

Hummm !!!

Well said.

nextprince:
That's were u lost it. The muslims believe in all prophets. Infact, such a belief is integral in the muslims' Articles of Faith.

Liar!

You don't believe in all the prophets cos you only follow the teachings of Mohammad. When Yahshua the Messiah tells you to "Forgive and pray for those who offend and persecute you", you discard it and follow Mohammad who tells you "to behead the infidels and never make friends with Christians", the followers of the same Jesus you claim to love.

nextprince:
This is what a muslim will never do against Jesus Christ because they believe in him as well, prove me wrong pls

Muslims insult Jesus Christ everyday, verbally and violently. They kill his followers in hundreds everyday, from the Middle East, Africa and now Europe.

Even friendchoice insults him by calling him a God that weekend on the cross like a baby.

LifestyleTonite:
Liar!

You don't believe in all the prophets cos you only follow the teachings of Mohammad. When Yahshua the Messiah tells you to "Forgive and pray for those who offend and persecute you", you discard it and follow Mohammad who tells you "to behead the infidels and never make friends with Christians", the followers of the same Jesus you claim to love.


Muslims insult Jesus Christ everyday, verbally and violently. They kill his followers in hundreds everyday, from the Middle East, Africa and now Europe.

Even friendchoice insults him by calling him a God that weekend on the cross like a baby.

Well, I'm not saying it for u to agree/disagree but since u know the religion better than its adherents you may organise a press conference to that effect.

However, what you have failed to prove is pointing out where a muslim insulted Christ. Rather than doing that, you are saying FriendChoice called him a God that got weakened on the cross. And that is exactly where the difference lies. Difference in the sense that the muslims recognise Jesus Christ as a prophet, not The God. But when u try to insist that he is, attempts will be made to enlighten you of his human nature which can never be associated with God.

For instance, you said Jesus Christ (God) died on the Cross of Calvary as an atonement for your sins, and God, by definition cannot die. Now, how do u reconcile this contradiction? Also, it is also biblical that a strand of ur hair cannot fall off without the knowledge/approval of God, within those days that "God died", who was approving the events. Or does He have a deputy?
In other stories, u said Jesus Christ is at the right hand side of God, is he not the God himself again?
Jesus Christ was born in a miraculous way (this is also Quranic) and we all know that you can't give birth to God, so how will you say he was born yet he is God. Is just like telling me a square become round and it is still square, does this appeal to simple logic? Is man no longer a free moral agent?

If things like these are what u call insults, you need to look up the meaning of the word 'insult' in a good dictionary.

LifestyleTonite:
Liar!

You don't believe in all the prophets cos you only follow the teachings of Mohammad. When Yahshua the Messiah tells you to "Forgive and pray for those who offend and persecute you", you discard it and follow Mohammad who tells you "to behead the infidels and never make friends with Christians", the followers of the same Jesus you claim to love.


Muslims insult Jesus Christ everyday, verbally and violently. They kill his followers in hundreds everyday, from the Middle East, Africa and now Europe.

Even friendchoice insults him by calling him a God that weekend on the cross like a baby.

nextprince never waste your time on these idiots. They claim Bible is from God but they hate the Bible verses.


The Bible clearly called Jesus defenceless forsaken god. When the so called god was put on the cross what did your Bible said:

And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? Matthew 27:46

The above is a typical verse that they (the lost sheeps) consider as an insult. Why not remove the verse

Your god Jesus could not save himself. He is looking for the original God to save him. While you're busy worshipping him.


A god calling God. How does this become monotheistic religion. This is the religion of associating partner with God.

plainbibletruth:
Can you tell us examples of the “excellent pattern” and “great moral character” that he portrays?

I can give pages upon pages on that subject. But think about this; For everything there is a standard with which other things are compared in value and precision. For mankind Allah Subhanahu wa Ta’ala has placed His messenger in our midst. The messenger of God Almighty experienced all aspect of human life. The happy moments and the sorrow and suffering of life. Hazarat Mohammad (peace of Allah be upon him) is a supreme example for mankind to follow. The fact that he has been stated as an example for us to follow is an indication that he is the best, because God doesn't leave the best, and tell people to follow less than the best.

Apparently you did not bother to refer to the verses of the quran I listed up there. Just as you quoted the ones about Mohamed, look up the ones about Jesus and if after that you don’t think he’s UNIQUE then it must be a case of selective blankness.

I know the verses you quoted, and like I wrote in my counter to your first post, there is nothing in there to suggest that Jesus (peace be upon him) was more than a messenger. I even brought a verse of the Quran that already counters the argument and makes it crystal clear that Jesus (peace be upon him) was no more than a messenger.

What is it with you people? You admit there’s a DIFFERENCE yet you still turn round to say it’s nothing. What you guys are actually saying is something like – “There’s a difference but I don’t care”

What do you mean by "difference". Of course he has some differences, and Allah has made it such that every messenger has something, which you may call unique, but none suggests that the messenger is above being a messenger.

Does this reduce the fact that Jesus’ conception and birth were UNIQUE?

It is clear. If you say that Jesus (peace be upon him) is more than a messenger because of his immaculate conception, then, Adam is more than a messenger, and more than Jesus (peace be upon him), because his creation is even more unique.

Why is so hard for you to simply be straightforward. See what you wrote - “Although, it is not mentioned…”, “..and doesn’t mean he didn’t…”, “we follow that which is revealed…”. I simply gave you what is revealed in your quran and instead of saying “That is true!” you end up going round in a circle?

It is clear. He was not more than a messenger. Also, if his sinlessness makes you think he is God, well, that argument was already debunked by God, in the Qur'an.
So, his "sinlessness" could have been a possibility to think of him as above being a messenger, though, not divine, but it has been made clear in the Qur'an that he was a messenger, and nothing more.

Did you see Jesus’ superiority “until the day of resurrection”?

He was raised physically doesn't give any superiority. He will come back, rule with the Shari'a of Muhammad (peace be upon him), and die, when Allah decrees. So, it makes no difference if Jesus (peace be upon him) is in heaven with his physical body or not, as all prophets alike are in heaven

So again, to you the fact that Jesus has a special place with God doesn’t matter. Tell him that when you stand before him at your resurrection!

You have not shown me anything that makes him have a special place. If anyone should have that, it should be Muhammad (peace be upon him) because
1. He was sent to mankind as a whole, while other messengers (peace be upon them), including Jesus (peace be upon him) were sent to their people.
2. He is the last prophet, and even Jesus (peace be upon him) will come to the earth as a follower of Muhammad (peace be upon him)
3. Allah says Muhammad is light from him, that he is an excellent example for mankind
4. Allah says that Muhammad (peace be upon him) is a mercy to the worlds, that is, both mankind and jinnkind.

Was any of the other prophets said to be CHRIST? Maybe you should take time to check the meaning and implication of that word by yourself.

Please, tell me the meaning since you know it so well. If we are to follow what your bible says, then Jesus (peace be upon him) will be established as a false Christ. According to the Jewish scriptures, the Christ is supposed to establish God's kingdom on earth. Also, if he died, how can he be the Messiah. So, if I were a Jew, I wouldn't accept Jesus (peace be upon him) as the Christ, according to Christian views. But Islam teaches that Jesus (peace be upon him) will come back, and all worship will be for God (he will

establish the kingdom of God on earth. But guess what, he won't do it as a new prophet, but as a follower of Muhammad. So, since you are exaggerating his qualities, please, explain to me how the son of God, or God, comes to rule as a follower of a man (according to you)? I'll like to know.

If you are honest with yourself you cannot place the QUALITIES of Jesus Christ and Mohamed LISTED IN THE QURAN side by side

You are yet to show me any qualities that make him more than a prophet/messenger.

and still claim Mohamed is “better to be followed”.

I didn't claim anything. The same Qur'an you quoted showed that Muhammad is an excellent example to be followed.

If you do, it must be that you are DELIBERATELY DISREGARDING what the quran says about Jesus and decided to brainwash yourself in favour of Mohamed.

You are the one deliberately disregarding it, because the Quran States crystal clear that Jesus (peace be upon him) was no more than a messenger.
Stop applying pick, distort and use.
That formula doesn't work in Islam.

plainbibletruth:
You do not make distinction between the prophet's YET you still have one that is better to be followed?
And that is not not DISTINCTION?
Are you for real?
I'll take you up on the others later.

You have shown that you have no knowledge of Islam.

You must believe in the prophet of your time. During the times of Abraham, Noah, Moses, David, Jesus, etc (peace be upon them all), you had to follow them, in order to attain salvation.
So, it is the time of Muhammad (peace be upon him), and you have to follow him to attain salvation. But, you must believe in all the previous messengers of God.
That is why, when a Jew accepts to Islam, he has to first accept the messengership of Jesus (peace be upon him), and then, that of Muhammad (peace be upon him).

Auki:
Jazakallah Hairan.

Ameen

The problem is that most of them are here to ridicule Islam rather than learn to at least gain additional knowledge.

That is very true. But Alhamdulillah, there are still a few that seek truth, and In shaa Allah, they will find it.

I noticed that most of the ridicules are from Christian-confirming Quran position.
May Allah guide them.

Ameen. We can only do dawah, but ultimate guidance is from Allah alone.

This is why is will be no peace in the world! Wtf is wrong with you guys? Soon u go dey claim a christ-like stupid fool church-going gay! And another jahad sucker too go come along to blasphem Jesus christ too Ori gbogbo yin ti gbaale mhen! Leave religion and love your fucking neighbours FOOLS!

analice107:
No. Christians are alive spiritually, but Muslims are dead.

lade0011:
This is why is will be no peace in the world! Wtf is wrong with you guys? Soon u go dey claim a christ-like stupid fool church-going gay! And another jahad sucker too go come along to blasphem Jesus christ too Ori gbogbo yin ti gbaale mhen! Leave religion and love your fucking neighbours FOOLS!

Just look at that.

akp202:
there are still Christians who are spiritually dead. So whats ur take on that?

Bros, a Christian is someone who is alive in Christ. because someone goes to Church, functions as a worker and fakes Tongues doesn't mean he or she is a Christian.

Maybe you still don't know what it means to be "Christ-Like". A Christian has the divine Life of Christ in him/her. When we are born again, the life and nature of God gets imparted into our spirits, we start living eternally right from here.

How can someone claim to be a Christian yet can't hear when Christ the Master gives an instruction?

I and a Muslim are not the same. I go inward, they go outward.

I have a relationship with my Father, they don't.

Allah is not their father, Yahweh is my Father.

Plainbibletruth will run away from his own thread now

See as haroun13 just destroyed his useless thread

Rilwayne001:
Plainbibletruth will run away from his own thread now

See as haroun13 just destroyed his useless thread

Just wait and see.

Haroun13:
I can give pages upon pages on that subject. But think about this; For everything there is a standard with which other things are compared in value and precision. For mankind Allah Subhanahu wa Ta’ala has placed His messenger in our midst. The messenger of God Almighty experienced all aspect of human life. The happy moments and the sorrow and suffering of life. Hazarat Mohammad (peace of Allah be upon him) is a supreme example for mankind to follow. The fact that he has been stated as an example for us to follow is an indication that he is the best, because God doesn't leave the best, and tell people to follow less than the best.


I know the verses you quoted, and like I wrote in my counter to your first post, there is nothing in there to suggest that Jesus (peace be upon him) was more than a messenger. I even brought a verse of the Quran that already counters the argument and makes it crystal clear that Jesus (peace be upon him) was no more than a messenger.



What do you mean by "difference". Of course he has some differences, and Allah has made it such that every messenger has something, which you may call unique, but none suggests that the messenger is above being a messenger.


It is clear. If you say that Jesus (peace be upon him) is more than a messenger because of his immaculate conception, then, Adam is more than a messenger, and more than Jesus (peace be upon him), because his creation is even more unique.


It is clear. He was not more than a messenger. Also, if his sinlessness makes you think he is God, well, that argument was already debunked by God, in the Qur'an.
So, his "sinlessness" could have been a possibility to think of him as above being a messenger, though, not divine, but it has been made clear in the Qur'an that he was a messenger, and nothing more.



He was raised physically doesn't give any superiority. He will come back, rule with the Shari'a of Muhammad (peace be upon him), and die, when Allah decrees. So, it makes no difference if Jesus (peace be upon him) is in heaven with his physical body or not, as all prophets alike are in heaven


You have not shown me anything that makes him have a special place. If anyone should have that, it should be Muhammad (peace be upon him) because
1. He was sent to mankind as a whole, while other messengers (peace be upon them), including Jesus (peace be upon him) were sent to their people.
2. He is the last prophet, and even Jesus (peace be upon him) will come to the earth as a follower of Muhammad (peace be upon him)
3. Allah says Muhammad is light from him, that he is an excellent example for mankind
4. Allah says that Muhammad (peace be upon him) is a mercy to the worlds, that is, both mankind and jinnkind.



Please, tell me the meaning since you know it so well. If we are to follow what your bible says, then Jesus (peace be upon him) will be established as a false Christ. According to the Jewish scriptures, the Christ is supposed to establish God's kingdom on earth. Also, if he died, how can he be the Messiah. So, if I were a Jew, I wouldn't accept Jesus (peace be upon him) as the Christ, according to Christian views. But Islam teaches that Jesus (peace be upon him) will come back, and all worship will be for God (he will

establish the kingdom of God on earth. But guess what, he won't do it as a new prophet, but as a follower of Muhammad. So, since you are exaggerating his qualities, please, explain to me how the son of God, or God, comes to rule as a follower of a man (according to you)? I'll like to know.



You are yet to show me any qualities that make him more than a prophet/messenger.


I didn't claim anything. The same Qur'an you quoted showed that Muhammad is an excellent example to be followed.


You are the one deliberately disregarding it, because the Quran States crystal clear that Jesus (peace be upon him) was no more than a messenger.
Stop applying pick, distort and use.
That formula doesn't work in Islam.

“I can give pages upon pages …” does not address the issue. I hope you will agree with me on this. If you are asked to follow a man, any man, as an example there should be some specific things about him that you are to follow. You cannot just be asked to follow a person without specificity as to what to follow about him. It is those specific things about Mohamed I asked you to state but you could not. What you have succeeded in proving is that you follow him out of emotions or because you just want to obey those who asked you to follow him even when no “excellent pattern” or “great moral character” has been given.

One of the things that confuse muslims in the quran is its incongruity. As a result instead of settling down to be objective in examining it they resort to EITHER simply accepting what your authoritarian leaders interpret any portion to mean or choose the more convenient route of choosing to align with the easier parts of the book.

You can’t on the one hand say that all prophets are merely messengers and then on the other hand say that one – Mohamed – should be more regarded than others even when no clear reason for that is provided in the quran. Does that make sense to you?

What I’m pointing out to you is that the quran itself says Jesus Christ is the anointed one. That in itself is a call to privilege. He is said to be DISTINGUISHED in this world (note this, because it’s not saying HE WILL BE distinguished as in future) and in the hereafter. Distinguished means marked by eminence, distinction or excellence. But because you want to stick to islam’s doctored position on Jesus Christ you cannot just bring yourself to accept what is CLEARLY STATED in the quran. You must FIND A WAY to disagree particularly because the person telling you this is not from your camp but an outsider. You’ve been TAUGHT ALL YOUR LIFE that Mohamed should be more revered than others. So even when you see it in your quran that there is someone more DISTINGUISHED than him your brain cannot handle it. The only escape route becomes anything that can ‘help’ you ‘PROVE’ that your position must be right even if it is straw.

I doubt if Mohamed were to come to the world today that he would accept the quran you guys are having as what came from him. You must know how some ‘EDITIONS’ were destroyed in the attempt to UNIFY the quran. The people who eventually piece together the quran were ENTIRELY DIFFERENT From the man who was said to be the ORIGINAL RECITITER of the quran. Were the compilers ‘inspired’? How did they choose what to destroy and what to accept? Those are stories for another day. For now, the issue is that even in the quran you have with you, Jesus Christ is said to be the anointed one and the distinguished one. Do you agree?

Mohamed, like all the other prophets is no more with us TODAY. SO, if you are to believe the prophet of your time why Mohamed? How is he the prophet of your time? Simply because according to you muslims he is the last of the prophets? Yet those who believed the other prophets did so because the prophets were alive during the people’s lifetime? How did you guys arrive at that deduction?

Tell me now who is applying a WARPED formula – you or me?

May Allah reward you brother haroun13 for taking her to the cleaners. I must warm you though, this one doesn't give up. Not even in the face of clear evidence as you have brought forth.

udatso:
May Allah reward you brother haroun13 for taking her to the cleaners.

Ameen

I must warm you though, this one doesn't give up. Not even in the face of clear evidence as you have brought forth.

The evidence is for those who seek truth. If she refuses to accept it, that's her business. We can only pray to Allah subhannahu wa ta'ala to show them the light.

plainbibletruth:
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“I can give pages upon pages …” does not address the issue. I hope you will agree with me on this. If you are asked to follow a man, any man, as an example there should be some specific things about him that you are to follow. You cannot just be asked to follow a person without specificity as to what to follow about him. It is those specific things about Mohamed I asked you to state but you could not.

The point is simple, can God ask you to follow less than the best? God has told you that the prophet is of high moral character and is an excellent example for you to follow, and you are saying something else.
If I ask you to emulate someone, that he is of high moral character, would it make sense that you are asking me to show you something specific about him to follow? You have been asked to emulate him, for he is of high moral character.

What you have succeeded in proving is that you follow him out of emotions or because you just want to obey those who asked you to follow him even when no “excellent pattern” or “great moral character” has been given.

I follow him because God has commanded to follow him, because God doesn't choose substandard, but the best.
But since you insist, let's see what the Quran says about the prophet.
You have an excellent model in the Messenger of Allah, for all who put their hope in Allah and the Last Day and remember Allah much. (Surat al-Ahzab :21)
The Prophet (saas) is a role model. Believers look at his Sunnah and learn how to implement its precepts and practices in their lives. Indeed, as soon as one looks at the Sunnah, one can see that the Prophet (saas) instructed his community in all matters and showed them how to act befitting a Muslim`s honor. The Prophet`s (saas) entire life reveals a seriousness, responsibility, and sensitivity of which not even the slightest detail is neglected. This is the result of our Prophet (saas) having taught "wisdom," alongside the Quran, to his community:
Allah showed great kindness to the believers when He sent a Messenger to them from among themselves to recite His Signs to them, purify them and teach them the Book and Wisdom, even though before that they were clearly misguided. (Surah Al `Imran: 164)

We have sent you (Muhammad) bearing witness, bringing good news, and warning so that you might all believe in Allah and His Messenger as well as honor, respect, and glorify Him in the morning and the evening. Those who pledge their allegiance to you pledge allegiance to Allah. Allah`s hand is over their hands. Those who break their pledge only break it against themselves. But as for those who fulfill the contract they have made with Allah, We will give them an immense reward. (Surat al-Fath: 8-10)
That should be enough for now.

One of the things that confuse muslims in the quran is its incongruity.

You have shown non.

As a result instead of settling down to be objective in examining it they resort to EITHER simply accepting what your authoritarian leaders interpret any portion to mean or choose the more convenient route of choosing to align with the easier parts of the book.

You haven't said anything.

You can’t on the one hand say that all prophets are merely messengers and then on the other hand say that one – Mohamed – should be more regarded than others even when no clear reason for that is provided in the quran. Does that make sense to you?

Thank you for showing your petty selectiveness, distortion and presentation. I never said anywhere that Muhammad (peace be upon him) should be regarded more than others, because he remains a messenger like all others, so, we must believe in all of them. Though, Muhammad (peace be upon him) is the greatest, because Allah says that He made some to excel above others, but in their essence, we do not distinguish them, because they are still messengers of God, and nothing more. You are the one playing "pick, distort and use", by saying Jesus (peace beupon him) is more than a messenger, when that argument has been debunked by God, without ifs or buts. And like I said, if we are to apply your method of reasoning, Jesus (peace be upon him) will not even be the one to be the greatest, though, he is one of the greatest. Because, if we are to consider his birth, then, Adam would be far superior to him.
Similarly, if we are to consider that he is called the Messiah (he will establish God's kingdom on earth) or his sinlessness, then, Muhamad (peace be upon him) would be far superior because Jesus (peace be upon him) will come back and establish the kingdom of God, using the shari'a of Muhammad (peace be upon him). He won't come with his own shari'a. So, if his being called Al masih, or his sinlessness should make him superior, then, Muhammad (peace be upon him) would be far superior, because for the Messiah, or sinless man, to be a follower of Muhammad (peace be upon him), it shows that Muhammad is in fact, greater (applying your mentality). It is clear who is being biased, because you want to so desperately give Jesus (peace be upon him) a God status which he never claimed, even in your bible. But i guess you'll rather follow the disciple (Paul is not even a disciple) than the master, even though the tenets of their message was contradictory.

What I’m pointing out to you is that the quran itself says Jesus Christ is the anointed one.

But never said he is God. In fact, God says in the Qur'an that Jesus (peace be upon him) was not more than a messenger. I wonder how hard it is for you to understand simple english. It's not Arabic.
Show me the dictionary that says that "annointed one" and "God" mean the same thing, and I will tell you about a useless dictionary.
Besides, if we are to look at the names that the messengers are called, it is clear to everyone that "the light and mercy to the worlds, both mankind and jinnkind" is higher than the Messiah, who is going to come back and follow the light and mercy of the worlds (applying your reasoning method).

That in itself is a call to privilege.

But not a call to divinity.

He is said to be DISTINGUISHED in this world (note this, because it’s not saying HE WILL BE distinguished as in future) and in the hereafter. Distinguished means marked by eminence, distinction or excellence.

The verse of the Quran is that he (Jesus, peace be upon him) is distinguished and among those brought near. Obviously, he is not the only one brought near to God, but among those brought near.
No doubt that Jesus (peace be upon him) is among the greatest messengers, but to say he is the greatest is fallacious. Because, we have seen that the mere fact that he will come as a follower of Muhammad (peace be upon him) shows that Muhammad (peace be upon him) is indeed greater, because the the greatest doesn't become the follower of someone less than himself.

But because you want to stick to islam’s doctored position on Jesus Christ you cannot just bring yourself to accept what is CLEARLY STATED in the quran.

Says the guy in whoms scripture Jesus (peace be upon him) never called himself God or Son of God. It's very clear who is following a doctored position on Jesus (peace be upon him). God says in the Quran that whoever differs on what has been revealed about Jesus (peace be upon him) is full of doubt and follows nothing but conjecture.

You must FIND A WAY to disagree particularly because the person telling you this is not from your camp but an outsider.

Well, the person telling me is not proving any point, and there is nothing to disagree on, because he is following nothing but conjecture.

You’ve been TAUGHT ALL YOUR LIFE that Mohamed should be more revered than others. So even when you see it in your quran that there is someone more DISTINGUISHED than him your brain cannot handle it. The only escape route becomes anything that can ‘help’ you ‘PROVE’ that your position must be right even if it is straw.

You are funny. He is distinguished, yet follows the undistinguished. So, how is he greater. In your bible, Jesus (peace be upon him) says that the disciple can never be greater than the master. So, that has dealt a deadly blow to you, because Jesus (peace be upon him) will come as a follower of Muhammad (peace be upon him). So, if we are to apply your bible, then, Jesus (peace be upon him) can never be greater than Muhammad.

I doubt if Mohamed were to come to the world today that he would accept the quran you guys are having as what came from him. You must know how some ‘EDITIONS’ were destroyed in the attempt to UNIFY the quran. The people who eventually piece together the quran were ENTIRELY DIFFERENT From the man who was said to be the ORIGINAL RECITITER of the quran. Were the compilers ‘inspired’? How did they choose what to destroy and what to accept? Those are stories for another day.

No evidence. Just claims upon claims by the guy whose scripture has so much issues, ranging from interpolations, contradictions, concoctions and fabrications, to insertions, to make it more appealing. If you dont know Bart Erhman, look him up and see what he says about inconsistencies in the bible. Mind you, he's a bible scholar.

For now, the issue is that even in the quran you have with you, Jesus Christ is said to be the anointed one and the distinguished one. Do you agree?

There was nothing to agree. These are qualities and privileges God bestowed on him. If God calls me the Messiah, I automatically accept, there is nothing to agree to.
2nd, the question is not if he is Al masih, because he is. It is the fact that he is not above a messenger/prophet of God, simple. The fact that he is Al masih doesn't make him more than a prophet. Unless you want to tell me that "Messiah" and "God" are the same, then, I'll tell you about a liar.

Mohamed, like all the other prophets is no more with us TODAY. SO, if you are to believe the prophet of your time why Mohamed? How is he the prophet of your time?

The answer is simple. After him, there is no other prophet, and God has confirmed in the Qur'an that there will be no other prophet, book, or anything of that sort after Muhammad (peace be upon him) and the Quran.

Simply because according to you muslims he is the last of the prophets?

Not according to Muslims, but according to God.

Yet those who believed the other prophets did so because the prophets were alive during the people’s lifetime? How did you guys arrive at that deduction?

Listen to yourself.
When a prophet is sent by God to a particular people, they should follow his teachings, and even after his demise must continue to follow his teachings, till there comes to them another prophet from God, confirming that which has been previously revealed to them. Then, they must believe in the new prophet from God, and follow his teachings, but they must also believe in the prophethood and messengership of all the previous prophets sent by God.

Tell me now who is applying a WARPED formula – you or me?

Hate to spill it to you bro. But it's still you, applying "pick, distort and use".

SUMMARY OF THE POINTS
1. No matter what privileges God has bestowed upon a messenger, he still remains a messenger, and nothing more, and we must believe in all of them regardless. Hence, Allah says that we do not make distinctions between the prophets.
2. Allah says that He made some messengers to excel others, but that doesn't make them above messengership, or divine in any way.
3. Jesus (peace be upon him) is definitely among the greatest messengers/prophets of God, but he is not more than a prophet/messenger.
4. On the question of the nature of Jesus (peace be upon him), the Qur'an is clear on that, "he was not more than a messenger", and other messengers have passed away before him. Hence, the matter of his nature, as to being divine or not, is not debatable, not even a little.
5. What is debatable though (from the points raised by the OP) is how great Jesus (peace be upon him) is, in comparison to Muhammad (peace be upon him).
6. From evidence from the Quran and hadith, it is clear, that Jesus (peace be upon him), though, being one of the greatest prophets in not greater than Muhammad (peace be upon him).

analice107:
Bros, a Christian is someone who is alive in Christ. because someone goes to Church, functions as a worker and fakes Tongues doesn't mean he or she is a Christian.

Maybe you still don't know what it means to be "Christ-Like". A Christian has the divine Life of Christ in him/her. When we are born again, the life and nature of God gets imparted into our spirits, we start living eternally right from here.

How can someone claim to be a Christian yet can't hear when Christ the Master gives an instruction?

I and a Muslim are not the same. I go inward, they go outward.

I have a relationship with my Father, they don't.

Allah is not their father, Yahweh is my Father.

so tell me are you an epitome of what u have written here?

analice107:
Wth? Mohammed the rapist more superior than Jesus of Nazareth? Any mouth that says that shd be struck dumb. A demon possessed, a schizophrenic maniac in the same level with my the King of kings? The thought of it alone is making me want to vomit.

And you will vomit.May you be guilded

akp202:
so tell me are you an epitome of what u have written here?

Yes I am. Christ lives in me.

Haroun13:
The point is simple, can God ask you to follow less than the best? God has told you that the prophet is of high moral character and is an excellent example for you to follow, and you are saying something else.
If I ask you to emulate someone, that he is of high moral character, would it make sense that you are asking me to show you something specific about him to follow? You have been asked to emulate him, for he is of high moral character.


I follow him because God has commanded to follow him, because God doesn't choose substandard, but the best.
But since you insist, let's see what the Quran says about the prophet.
You have an excellent model in the Messenger of Allah, for all who put their hope in Allah and the Last Day and remember Allah much. (Surat al-Ahzab :21)
The Prophet (saas) is a role model. Believers look at his Sunnah and learn how to implement its precepts and practices in their lives. Indeed, as soon as one looks at the Sunnah, one can see that the Prophet (saas) instructed his community in all matters and showed them how to act befitting a Muslim`s honor. The Prophet`s (saas) entire life reveals a seriousness, responsibility, and sensitivity of which not even the slightest detail is neglected. This is the result of our Prophet (saas) having taught "wisdom," alongside the Quran, to his community:
Allah showed great kindness to the believers when He sent a Messenger to them from among themselves to recite His Signs to them, purify them and teach them the Book and Wisdom, even though before that they were clearly misguided. (Surah Al `Imran: 164)

We have sent you (Muhammad) bearing witness, bringing good news, and warning so that you might all believe in Allah and His Messenger as well as honor, respect, and glorify Him in the morning and the evening. Those who pledge their allegiance to you pledge allegiance to Allah. Allah`s hand is over their hands. Those who break their pledge only break it against themselves. But as for those who fulfill the contract they have made with Allah, We will give them an immense reward. (Surat al-Fath: 8-10)
That should be enough for now.


You have shown non.


You haven't said anything.


Thank you for showing your petty selectiveness, distortion and presentation. I never said anywhere that Muhammad (peace be upon him) should be regarded more than others, because he remains a messenger like all others, so, we must believe in all of them. Though, Muhammad (peace be upon him) is the greatest, because Allah says that He made some to excel above others, but in their essence, we do not distinguish them, because they are still messengers of God, and nothing more. You are the one playing "pick, distort and use", by saying Jesus (peace beupon him) is more than a messenger, when that argument has been debunked by God, without ifs or buts. And like I said, if we are to apply your method of reasoning, Jesus (peace be upon him) will not even be the one to be the greatest, though, he is one of the greatest. Because, if we are to consider his birth, then, Adam would be far superior to him.
Similarly, if we are to consider that he is called the Messiah (he will establish God's kingdom on earth) or his sinlessness, then, Muhamad (peace be upon him) would be far superior because Jesus (peace be upon him) will come back and establish the kingdom of God, using the shari'a of Muhammad (peace be upon him). He won't come with his own shari'a. So, if his being called Al masih, or his sinlessness should make him superior, then, Muhammad (peace be upon him) would be far superior, because for the Messiah, or sinless man, to be a follower of Muhammad (peace be upon him), it shows that Muhammad is in fact, greater (applying your mentality). It is clear who is being biased, because you want to so desperately give Jesus (peace be upon him) a God status which he never claimed, even in your bible. But i guess you'll rather follow the disciple (Paul is not even a disciple) than the master, even though the tenets of their message was contradictory.


But never said he is God. In fact, God says in the Qur'an that Jesus (peace be upon him) was not more than a messenger. I wonder how hard it is for you to understand simple english. It's not Arabic.
Show me the dictionary that says that "annointed one" and "God" mean the same thing, and I will tell you about a useless dictionary.
Besides, if we are to look at the names that the messengers are called, it is clear to everyone that "the light and mercy to the worlds, both mankind and jinnkind" is higher than the Messiah, who is going to come back and follow the light and mercy of the worlds (applying your reasoning method).


But not a call to divinity.


The verse of the Quran is that he (Jesus, peace be upon him) is distinguished and among those brought near. Obviously, he is not the only one brought near to God, but among those brought near.
No doubt that Jesus (peace be upon him) is among the greatest messengers, but to say he is the greatest is fallacious. Because, we have seen that the mere fact that he will come as a follower of Muhammad (peace be upon him) shows that Muhammad (peace be upon him) is indeed greater, because the the greatest doesn't become the follower of someone less than himself.


Says the guy in whoms scripture Jesus (peace be upon him) never called himself God or Son of God. It's very clear who is following a doctored position on Jesus (peace be upon him). God says in the Quran that whoever differs on what has been revealed about Jesus (peace be upon him) is full of doubt and follows nothing but conjecture.


Well, the person telling me is not proving any point, and there is nothing to disagree on, because he is following nothing but conjecture.


You are funny. He is distinguished, yet follows the undistinguished. So, how is he greater. In your bible, Jesus (peace be upon him) says that the disciple can never be greater than the master. So, that has dealt a deadly blow to you, because Jesus (peace be upon him) will come as a follower of Muhammad (peace be upon him). So, if we are to apply your bible, then, Jesus (peace be upon him) can never be greater than Muhammad.


No evidence. Just claims upon claims by the guy whose scripture has so much issues, ranging from interpolations, contradictions, concoctions and fabrications, to insertions, to make it more appealing. If you dont know Bart Erhman, look him up and see what he says about inconsistencies in the bible. Mind you, he's a bible scholar.


There was nothing to agree. These are qualities and privileges God bestowed on him. If God calls me the Messiah, I automatically accept, there is nothing to agree to.
2nd, the question is not if he is Al masih, because he is. It is the fact that he is not above a messenger/prophet of God, simple. The fact that he is Al masih doesn't make him more than a prophet. Unless you want to tell me that "Messiah" and "God" are the same, then, I'll tell you about a liar.


The answer is simple. After him, there is no other prophet, and God has confirmed in the Qur'an that there will be no other prophet, book, or anything of that sort after Muhammad (peace be upon him) and the Quran.


Not according to Muslims, but according to God.


Listen to yourself.
When a prophet is sent by God to a particular people, they should follow his teachings, and even after his demise must continue to follow his teachings, till there comes to them another prophet from God, confirming that which has been previously revealed to them. Then, they must believe in the new prophet from God, and follow his teachings, but they must also believe in the prophethood and messengership of all the previous prophets sent by God.


Hate to spill it to you bro. But it's still you, applying "pick, distort and use".

SUMMARY OF THE POINTS
1. No matter what privileges God has bestowed upon a messenger, he still remains a messenger, and nothing more, and we must believe in all of them regardless. Hence, Allah says that we do not make distinctions between the prophets.
2. Allah says that He made some messengers to excel others, but that doesn't make them above messengership, or divine in any way.
3. Jesus (peace be upon him) is definitely among the greatest messengers/prophets of God, but he is not more than a prophet/messenger.
4. On the question of the nature of Jesus (peace be upon him), the Qur'an is clear on that, "he was not more than a messenger", and other messengers have passed away before him. Hence, the matter of his nature, as to being divine or not, is not debatable, not even a little.
5. What is debatable though (from the points raised by the OP) is how great Jesus (peace be upon him) is, in comparison to Muhammad (peace be upon him).
6. From evidence from the Quran and hadith, it is clear, that Jesus (peace be upon him), though, being one of the greatest prophets in not greater than Muhammad (peace be upon him).

I really love this. Just hope the op will be able to sustainable it without resorting to insult, cos in the absence of logic, hmm.

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afemgbosey:
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Nb : I decided to share it on Google Drive
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Haroun13:
The point is simple, can God ask you to follow less than the best? God has told you that the prophet is of high moral character and is an excellent example for you to follow, and you are saying something else.
If I ask you to emulate someone, that he is of high moral character, would it make sense that you are asking me to show you something specific about him to follow? You have been asked to emulate him, for he is of high moral character.
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I follow him because God has commanded to follow him, because God doesn't choose substandard, but the best.

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There was nothing to agree. These are qualities and privileges God bestowed on him. If God calls me the Messiah, I automatically accept, there is nothing to agree to.
2nd, the question is not if he is Al masih, because he is. It is the fact that he is not above a messenger/prophet of God, simple. The fact that he is Al masih doesn't make him more than a prophet. Unless you want to tell me that "Messiah" and "God" are the same, then, I'll tell you about a liar.
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SUMMARY OF THE POINTS
1. No matter what privileges God has bestowed upon a messenger, he still remains a messenger, and nothing more, and we must believe in all of them regardless. Hence, Allah says that we do not make distinctions between the prophets.
2. Allah says that He made some messengers to excel others, but that doesn't make them above messengership, or divine in any way.
3. Jesus (peace be upon him) is definitely among the greatest messengers/prophets of God, but he is not more than a prophet/messenger.
4. On the question of the nature of Jesus (peace be upon him), the Qur'an is clear on that, "he was not more than a messenger", and other messengers have passed away before him. Hence, the matter of his nature, as to being divine or not, is not debatable, not even a little.
5. What is debatable though (from the points raised by the OP) is how great Jesus (peace be upon him) is, in comparison to Muhammad (peace be upon him).
6. From evidence from the Quran and hadith, it is clear, that Jesus (peace be upon him), though, being one of the greatest prophets in not greater than Muhammad (peace be upon him).

You muslims, IN PRACTICE, do not live by only one book – the quran. You have other books (and I dare say unwritten rules) you attempt to pattern your life by in addition to the quran.

Unfortunately the incongruity in these books makes for what can be described in one word as – CHAOS!

To try to make a way out of the illogicality you are confronted with you must yourself become illogical. And so, even when, for example, a verse in the quran or any of the other books is clear in MEANING, as long as it does not conform to popular Islamic worldview, a new “meaning” must be given to that verse in order to make it conform to the accepted Islamic viewpoint.

The disagreements even amongst yourselves muslims can be traced to this very root.

Now, one of the verses I pointed you to – Q. 3:45 – should ordinarily appear to be simple to understand – “O Mary, indeed Allah gives you …..whose name will be the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary – distinguished in this world and the hereafter…”
“Messiah” means saviour, the anointed one, one with a special God-given purpose. “Distinguished” means marked by eminence, distinction, or excellence.

It is only a person who in the face of clear evidence here about the meaning of these words and the UNIQUENESS of Jesus Christ here and still wants to believe otherwise, will seek another interpretation that is meant to make him stick to what he wants to believe rather than what that portion says.

It is this same warped thinking that made you as a muslim say “we make no distinction between ANY of the prophets” yet still turn around the very next moment to say “Well, who’s better to be followed, than the best?” So, right here you are making “distinction”, because you have decided or chosen to follow one prophet rather than another. And in all these it still does not even occur to you that you’re contradicting yourself.

You muslims must turn to illogicality then in order to try and untangle yourselves from the inconsistencies and contradictions in the quran.

You can IGNORE facts but the facts still remain.

plainbibletruth:
You muslims, IN PRACTICE, do not live by only one book – the quran. You have other books (and I dare say unwritten rules) you attempt to pattern your life by in addition to the quran.

We have the Qur'an, from Allah, perfect and free from error.
We have man made (written by people) hadith of the prophet, some proven to be authentic, some good, some weak and others fabricated.

Unfortunately the incongruity in these books makes for what can be described in one word as – CHAOS!

You still failed to show any "incongruity".

To try to make a way out of the illogicality you are confronted with you must yourself become illogical.

Typical of most Christians I've come across on NL

And so, even when, for example, a verse in the quran or any of the other books is clear in MEANING, as long as it does not conform to popular Islamic worldview, a new “meaning” must be given to that verse in order to make it conform to the accepted Islamic viewpoint.

Another baseless claim

The disagreements even amongst yourselves muslims can be traced to this very root.

OK. Congrats.

Now, one of the verses I pointed you to – Q. 3:45 – should ordinarily appear to be simple to understand – “O Mary, indeed Allah gives you …..whose name will be the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary – distinguished in this world and the hereafter…”
“Messiah” means saviour, the anointed one, one with a special God-given purpose. “Distinguished” means marked by eminence, distinction, or excellence.

I'm beginning to think English is the problem here. Did I ever disagree with that?
My point is that he is all that, but a messenger and nothing more.
Is English that hard?

It is only a person who in the face of clear evidence here about the meaning of these words and the UNIQUENESS of Jesus Christ here and still wants to believe otherwise, will seek another interpretation that is meant to make him stick to what he wants to believe rather than what that portion says.

Ok

It is this same warped thinking that made you as a muslim say “we make no distinction between ANY of the prophets”

Ok

yet still turn around the very next moment to say “Well, who’s better to be followed, than the best?”

That's where you are wrong. All prophets and messengers are the best of their time.
Just like during the time of Moses, David, Jesus (peace be upon them), they were the best, so also is Muhammad (peace be upon him) the best of this time.

So, right here you are making “distinction”, because you have decided or chosen to follow one prophet rather than another. And in all these it still does not even occur to you that you’re contradicting yourself.

Read above

You muslims must turn to illogicality then in order to try and untangle yourselves from the inconsistencies and contradictions in the quran.

Funny statement from a guy who knows that the Quran is from God, directly, hence, it's perfect, yet his bible contains words of God, prophet, unfortunately, historians and some aspect which a grown man would be ashamed to mention.
If you are talking inconsistencies and contradictions, please go read your bible, there's a ton of them there.

You can IGNORE facts but the facts still remain.

Salaam