jfolorun:

Was Isaac sacrificed ? Stop taking a verse of the Bible to for your mischevious purposes. A verse should not be isolated from the rest. You claimed to be an intellectual individual.

but yahweh opemly declared that he asked the isrealites to sacrifice their firstborn sons to him. If you doubt it i will dig it out for your perusal

They are revelations and they are supposed to be from the same source. There should be similarity
They are plagiarisms not revolutions


Unless you have different definition and standards of dignity, it should be to you too
Its completely illogical

Not necessarily
I see, delusions recognized by the Quran are ok.but delusions not recognised by the quran aren't hahaha

Every group of people can agree on essentials. There are things you do/believe in a religion that will be met with a mild rebuke and those that will take you out of the religion
Sunnis refer to shias and ahmadiyyas as infidels and non muslims and vice versa. Anyways that's just humans trying hard to stop their religion from evolving, but its impossible.


And these are your viewpoints and they are not correct
Anyway how would Muhammed (SAW) have copied when he was an illiterate. They aren't just my viewpoints mate, they are facts, impossible to disprove.
Religions are ideologies created by man and they constantly evolve.
If mohammed was fron a preliterate
Society somewhere in subsaharan Africa or from the New world which didn't have contact with jews or Christians and got this so-called "divine revelation", that would. Have been something won't it?

Incorrect ma - Islam recognise the Prophets in the Bible
Former and later dude, get the meaning

With the others mostly. Islam as a religion will have similarities with others but compared to the others, it is to a lesser degree. And it is about tenets not necessarily because we just don't want to recoginse them.
What concept in islam didn't originate from idealogies of some other society?


It is a shame. And it is no longer a Middle Eastern "nonsense". Nigerians are exporting Christianity to American and Europe
I thank Allah that the Qur'an tells me that Muslims are not extremists
Qur'an 2:143
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Your Quran tells you different from the reality.
And its full of Scientific inaccuracies and social disasters, but it also has some positive ideas,

zainabxel:

lmao, quran is a copy, paste and edit piece of massive plagiarism that gives relevance to the Arab race

nne your bible is worse. How can the word of God that was allegedly inspired by the holy spirit go through plethoras of translations of almost 200 versions, each church sloting some texts to justify their delusive understandimg of the bible

jfolorun:

You dignify this guy with your responses, he does not deserve them.

Well said bro...advice taken..

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You have a great sense of humor bro. Everyone has the choice to believe in whatever appears to them to be true. It is your choice to believe in all the 5000 gods but I believe in the only One true God who sent Jesus Christ His only Son for the redemption of mankind. It is my choice to not to serve the devil. You see my friend, life is about choice.

dansegun57:
hmmm...this is the first time I'm hearing something like this

swear

Immorttal:
nne your bible is worse. How can the word of God that was allegedly inspired by the holy spirit go through plethoras of translations of almost 200 versions, each church sloting some texts to justify their delusive understandimg of the bible

All I'm saying is, the Quran is also a version of the bible with a different name. With edited texts to justify mohammeds delusive understand of the world

jfolorun:

You have a great sense of humor bro. Everyone has the choice to believe in whatever appears to them to be true. It is your choice to believe in all the 5000 gods but I believe in the only One true God who sent Jesus Christ His only Son for the redemption of mankind. It is my choice to not to serve the devil. You see my friend, life is about choice.

Can you prove the other gods are of the devil?

zainabxel:

All I'm saying is, the Quran is also a version of the bible with a different name. With edited texts to justify mohammeds delusive understand of the world

am not an Islam, the quoran amd bible have loopholes and contradictions which clearly indicates it was written by primitive men of primeval times.

Omooba77:
The gaurds stationed at the tomb of Jesus took money to lie that Apostles came to steal him in the night.
Matthew 28:11-15 recorded this story; it showed He actually died and Arose. The lie of watch men could not hold water.
Money cant buy out the real facts about Jesus Christ.
Am I buying away Jesus by taking money to deny Him?
Happy Easter sirs and mas!

Have you ever wondered why the Jews crucified him in the first place? Have you ever wondered why they sealed his tomb and placed soldiers to guard it until after the 3rd day? Christ said he would lay down his life and pick it up on the 3rd day. They place a guard that will last until the 3rd day to prevent his disciples from "stealing" his body. His resurrection would confirm their greatest fear, which was the main reason they crucified him in the first place, that He is the son of God.

So, when their guards could not prevent the resurrection, they tried to cover it up.

HarkymTheOracle:

Can you prove the other gods are of the devil?

My definition of the devil is a hater of Jesus Christ and an arch enemy of the Living God. End of discussion.

Phi001:

It wasn't a burnt offering but a sacrifice and no killing was done...



Basically, she became a reverend sister...

And whatever (or whoever) comes out from the doors of my house to meet me when I return in peace from the Ammonites shall be the Lord's. And I will offer it (or him) as 'burnt offering '[b]. JUDGES 11:31
English standard version.


Bros lie small small.. Abi you wan redefine 'Burnt Offering '?

Immorttal:
am not an Islam, the quoran amd bible have loopholes and contradictions which clearly indicates it was written by primitive men of primeval times.

You're right

HAPPY EASTER CELEBRATION TO ALL NAIRALANDERS

End time is near, everything around the world is looking complicating to us, the truth is we don't even understand which religion to practice. (peace)

IslamicRebel:
Africans and stupidity


You believe in a book written by foreigners

Where is your own book?

This makes no sense. Im sure you realise.

it's better u be careful of what comes out from your mouth.go read a bible before you make comments on stuffs about Christ..

Those guards were biafrans

zainabxel:

They are revelations and they are supposed to be from the same source. There should be similarity
They are plagiarisms not revolutions

You cannot prove this - so it is just unfounded accusation

zainabxel:
Unless you have different definition and standards of dignity, it should be to you too
Its completely illogical

you should be able to point out what is illogical. It would be illogical for me to accept your dismissal of something you perhaps have not read

zainabxel:
Not necessarily
I see, delusions recognized by the Quran are ok.but delusions not recognised by the quran aren't hahaha

Your arguments are not specific. So it is difficult to see what you find funny

zainabxel:
Every group of people can agree on essentials. There are things you do/believe in a religion that will be met with a mild rebuke and those that will take you out of the religion
Sunnis refer to shias and ahmadiyyas as infidels and non muslims and vice versa. Anyways that's just humans trying hard to stop their religion from evolving, but its impossible.

Tell me how Amhamdiyya and Shiaism evolved from Sunni doctrines

zainabxel:
And these are your viewpoints and they are not correct
Anyway how would Muhammed (SAW) have copied when he was an illiterate.
They aren't just my viewpoints mate, they are facts, impossible to disprove.

Let us have the facts and your proof

zainabxel:

Religions are ideologies created by man and they constantly evolve.
If mohammed was fron a preliterate
Society somewhere in subsaharan Africa or from the New world which didn't have contact with jews or Christians and got this so-called "divine revelation", that would. Have been something won't it?

Islam was not embraced just because somebody was articulate and charismattic

zainabxel:
Incorrect ma - Islam recognise the Prophets in the Bible
Former and later dude, get the meaning

We recognise only the prophets before Mohammed (SAW) because he is the seal of the prophets - no one after him
We can have impostors and their bonafides are being successfully disproved

zainabxel:
With the others mostly. Islam as a religion will have similarities with others but compared to the others, it is to a lesser degree. And it is about tenets not necessarily because we just don't want to recoginse them.
What concept in islam didn't originate from idealogies of some other society?

You don't need intermediary to link you with Allah
He does not have a child

zainabxel:

It is a shame. And it is no longer a Middle Eastern "nonsense". Nigerians are exporting Christianity to American and Europe
I thank Allah that the Qur'an tells me that Muslims are not extremists
Qur'an 2:143

Your Quran tells you different from the reality.

We are rooted in reality, ma'am
Tell us the flight of fancy we are upon

zainabxel:

And its full of Scientific inaccuracies and social disasters, but it also has some positive ideas,

I would like to show you is the one in error of you point to the inaccuracies

matrix600:
And whatever (or whoever) comes out from the doors of my house to meet me when I return in peace from the Ammonites shall be the Lord's. And I will offer it (or him) as 'burnt offering '[b]. JUDGES 11:31
English standard version.


Bros lie small small.. Abi you wan redefine 'Burnt Offering '?

He was talking about animals...Sacrificing of human beings was a taboo to God and the Israelites...

Immorttal:
but yahweh opemly declared that he asked the isrealites to sacrifice their firstborn sons to him. If you doubt it i will dig it out for your perusal

Consecrate to me every firstborn male. The first offspring of every womb among the Israelites belongs to me, whether human or animal. Exodus 13:2 (NIV)
Sanctify unto me all the firstborn, whatsoever openeth the womb among the children of Israel, both of man and of beast: it is mine. Exodus 13:2 (KJV)

Read it again bro and see if God wanted the blood of the first born sons from the Israelites. My advice is for you to stop meaningless arguments that will not bring you any profit. Abi, wetin you wan achieve abeg?

plessis:
Millions of Nigerians are celebrating the death of Jesus, a criminal that was hanged for sedition and treason....


If only we can channel this energy to more productive things....


Will Africa ever be free?

Did you uttered these words from your heart or Lucifer spoke through you?

Phi001:

He was talking about animals...Sacrificing of human beings was a taboo to God and the Israelites...

If that is so, does that mean Jeptha's daughter was an animal? How did his daughter come into the story then, why did the Israeli women grieve for her for a year?
Why was Jephthah ''s heart broken upon seeing his daughter if he was going to sacrifice an animal?
Which animal did he eventually sacrifice, and the biblical back up for that.

Omooba77:
The gaurds stationed at the tomb of Jesus took money to lie that Apostles came to steal him in the night.
Matthew 28:11-15 recorded this story; it showed He actually died and Arose. The lie of watch men could not hold water.
Money cant buy out the real facts about Jesus Christ.
Am I buying away Jesus by taking money to deny Him?
Happy Easter sirs and mas!

Even because without being able to PRODUCE Yahshua, they would not be able to PROVE that Yahshua had risen from the dead.

The only other explanation was the the body must have been stolen by the Disciples- and, since no one could just walk up on Roman Soldiers on guard, without heavy loss of life, and producable blood, if not corpses, the only way that would be possible was if they were asleep when it happened, or else they deserted their posts.

When POMPEII was excavated, which was buried in Volcanic Ash, the bodies of Roman Guards were found standing AT THEIR POSTS- because they had not been given the order to fall out!

No one could have believed that they just up and deserted their post.

However, if the Governor heard of it, he would be obliged to EXECUTE THE WHOLE SQUAD- for disciplinary reasons.

This would have been what happened to them.

The money was to keep the Soldiers from testifying that AS FAR AS THEY KNEW, Yahshua had risen from the dead.

All the Chief Priests and Elders had to do was BETRAY THEM, and the only Eyewitnesses were GONE.

jfolorun:

Consecrate to me every firstborn male. The first offspring of every womb among the Israelites belongs to me, whether human or animal. Exodus 13:2 (NIV)
Sanctify unto me all the firstborn, whatsoever openeth the womb among the children of Israel, both of man and of beast: it is mine. Exodus 13:2 (KJV)

Read it again bro and see if God wanted the blood of the first born sons from the Israelites. My advice is for you to stop meaningless arguments that will not bring you any profit. Abi, wetin you wan achieve abeg?

i laugh in chinese at your ignorance of your fat book of lies!
man i read the bible for like 5times from back to cover. Lets see if you can refute this blatant confession from yahweh himself.Yahweh admitted he commanded this in Ezekiel 20:25-26, where he purportedly said:



Moreover I gave them statutes that were not good and ordinances by which they could not have life; and I defiled them through their very gifts in making them offer by fire all their first-born, that I might horrify them; I did it that they might know that I am the LORD [Yahweh]. (RSV)

A man was on a long journey. On his way he arrived at a T- junction and got confused on d way dat leads to his destination. On one side of d road was a little Lad & on d otherside were several elderly men but all dead.
Who amongst these people is in d best position 2 direct dis traveller?
Your guess is as good as mine.... Only a Living Being can show U the Way.
John 14:6; Jesus said,'I am the Way, D Truth & D Life, no one cometh unto D father But by me.
The choice is yours. An Empty grave is there 2 prove.
Happy Ressurection Sunday

plessis:
Millions of Nigerians are celebrating the death of Jesus, a criminal that was hanged for sedition and treason....


If only we can channel this energy to more productive things....


Will Africa ever be free?

YOU need forgiveness

Immorttal:
i laugh in chinese at your ignorance of your fat book of lies!
man i read the bible for like 5times from back to cover. Lets see if you can refute this blatant confession from yahweh himself.Yahweh admitted he commanded this in Ezekiel 20:25-26, where he purportedly said:



Moreover I gave them statutes that were not good and ordinances by which they could not have life; and I defiled them through their very gifts in making them offer by fire all their first-born, that I might horrify them; I did it that they might know that I am the LORD [Yahweh]. (RSV)

I can see how mischievous you are son and to intentionally mislead others, you quoted Ezekiel 20:25-26. Had you started your passage from verse 18, others would have seen the truth.
Verse 18 says 'I said to their children in the wilderness, “Do not follow the statutes of your parents or keep their laws or defile yourselves with their idols.'
... Verse 21 But the children rebelled against me: They did not follow my decrees, they were not careful to keep my laws, of which I said, “The person who obeys them will live by them,” and they desecrated my Sabbaths. So I said I would pour out my wrath on them and spend my anger against them in the wilderness.

What can I say to you? You have read the Bible from A-Z five times! You so much hate God that you are bent on distorting the truth. You are misguided and you won't hesitate to mislead others. Too bad.

On a lighter mood, the Chinese don't like 'non-Chinese' like you to laugh either in Mandarin or Cantonese. Otherwise they think you are a spy from North Korea. Laugh like a Nigerian that you are.

jfolorun:

I can see how mischievous you are son and to intentionally mislead others, you quoted Ezekiel 20:25-26. Had you started your passage from verse 18, others would have seen the truth.
Verse 18 says 'I said to their children in the wilderness, “Do not follow the statutes of your parents or keep their laws or defile yourselves with their idols.'
... Verse 21 But the children rebelled against me: They did not follow my decrees, they were not careful to keep my laws, of which I said, “The person who obeys them will live by them,” and they desecrated my Sabbaths. So I said I would pour out my wrath on them and spend my anger against them in the wilderness.

What can I say to you? You have read the Bible from A-Z five times! You so much hate God that you are bent on distorting the truth. You are misguided and you won't hesitate to mislead others. Too bad.

On a lighter mood, the Chinese don't like 'non-Chinese' like you to laugh either in Mandarin or Cantonese. Otherwise they think you are a spy from North Korea. Laugh like a Nigerian that you are.

ok i laugh in yoruba

but on the other note, God's shildren is isrealites thus it can be said that yahweh coerced them to sacrifise their first born sons to him, have you forgotten that yahweh love the smell of burnt flesh

Immorttal:
i laugh in chinese at your ignorance of your fat book of lies!
man i read the bible for like 5times from back to cover. Lets see if you can refute this blatant confession from yahweh himself.Yahweh admitted he commanded this in Ezekiel 20:25-26, where he purportedly said:



Moreover I gave them statutes that were not good and ordinances by which they could not have life; and I defiled them through their very gifts in making them offer by fire all their first-born, that I might horrify them; I did it that they might know that I am the LORD [Yahweh]. (RSV)

you are right in most of your arguments, but the fact remain that God acted so for a reason.
God wanted to punish the Israelites because they have disobeyed him. disobedience is the weakest part of God and it always lead to punishment from him

jfolorun:

I can see how mischievous you are son and to intentionally mislead others, you quoted Ezekiel 20:25-26. Had you started your passage from verse 18, others would have seen the truth.
Verse 18 says 'I said to their children in the wilderness, “Do not follow the statutes of your parents or keep their laws or defile yourselves with their idols.'
... Verse 21 But the children rebelled against me: They did not follow my decrees, they were not careful to keep my laws, of which I said, “The person who obeys them will live by them,” and they desecrated my Sabbaths. So I said I would pour out my wrath on them and spend my anger against them in the wilderness.

What can I say to you? You have read the Bible from A-Z five times! You so much hate God that you are bent on distorting the truth. You are misguided and you won't hesitate to mislead others. Too bad.

On a lighter mood, the Chinese don't like 'non-Chinese' like you to laugh either in Mandarin or Cantonese. Otherwise they think you are a spy from North Korea. Laugh like a Nigerian that you are.

so in the end he made them offer 'by fire' their first born so he might horrify them, and let them know that he is the lord.

Is that the summary?

matrix600:
If that is so, does that mean Jeptha's daughter was an animal? How did his daughter come into the story then, why did the Israeli women grieve for her for a year?
Why was Jephthah ''s heart broken upon seeing his daughter if he was going to sacrifice an animal?
Which animal did he eventually sacrifice, and the biblical back up for that.

you are correct, God had warn man not to swear an oat unto His name that whoever mentioned his name in an oat must fulfil it. he was so happy and swore to offer whatever met with him as burnt offering, which happen to be his daughter. because God name was mentioned then he must fulfil it. he regretted afterwards that is why it is always better to obey God command at all times