ikupakuti:


they are allergic to reasoning, & you know 1 funny thing ? Bn baz didnt quote a single hadith or reference a salaf in arriving @ his conclusion. He only relied on hearsay you will be suprised to see another fatwa by same bn baz condeming same interactions between humans & jinns especially when its coming from the sufis they are the definition of confusion.

wallahi, I understood what you just said. I only tried to be polite with agentx brother. You are quite correct

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What's happening here? Is everyone on leave or is this the end of this thread?

Jamo90:
What's happening here? Is everyone on leave or is this the end of this thread?

They are on recess

Definitely not.
Got a couple of questions and observations for members but been busy at work.

... that salatul Fathia s rewardable thousand times than the Quran ...

@ikupakuti
@Empiree
and co

What can you say about the reward for love and honor for the prophet, sallAllahu alaihi wa sallam?

For example, it comes in a hadith that a certain sahaba, radiyAllahu anh, almost would have gone to jahannam by virtue of him disrespecting his mother. In fact, he could not utter the kalima at the point of death until the prophet, sallAllahu alaihi wa sallam, traced that the source of this was because of him having offended his mother. So I sat back wondering: this is a sahaba, radiyAllahu anh. I mean, he was not even in doubt about most of the things that we argue about these days. He most probably would have observed them perfectly first hand in direct observance from the prophet, sallAllahu alaihi wa sallam - all the raf'ul yadain, taraweeh, foot jamming etc controversies. On top of that, he might even have been a ghazi or even Qari who has recited the holy Quran several times over. How come the harm of dishonoring his mum far outweighs these deeds?

I began to realize that the reward for an act done out of love and honor to figures held in high esteem by Allah ta'ala most times are attached to the blessing of the attainment of imaan in this world, rather than a measured reward.

Now before Allahu ta'ala, the prophet, sallAllahu alaihi wa sallam, is much more esteemed than anyone's mother or parents.

Could statements such as that quoted above be accomodated within this realization?

I know that the quoted is not in any religious texts as we know today but even evidences within those texts point to the fact Allahu ta'ala's reward come without measure for one who honors and respects His nabi, sallAllahu alaihi wa sallam. Moreover as a saintly figure, is it not possible that Allahu ta'ala can manifest to one, who has thus achieved in drawing closer to Him, the realities of the reward for some of these honors shown toward his chosen one, which may in turn warrant them to make such declarations, albeit, not to make it a religious rule on anyone.

Your thoughts pls.

Empiree:
They are on recess

haha even pakuti is on recess. I hope he'll have more stories for us when he comes back.

I still don't understand how you forgot the alagemo story o.

Jamo90:


haha even pakuti is on recess. I hope he'll have more stories for us when he comes back.

I still don't understand how you forgot the alagemo story o.

the thing pains me. That's why I eschewed. I only remember the last parts of it.

@shawl,

I'm just kinda busy to be here too long. I have heard this several times and Alhamdulilah, even last night I watched explanation of it again by another scholar. I have another one in my profile. At least 3 shuyuk explained it. I have to post the 3 videos and pinpoint exactly minutes it was explained.

The sheiks are:

# rabiu abdulmalik adebayo

# muhammad mustafa Ashile

# Nuhu Muhammad

They explained it. The thing is, the wordings of salat fatih is directly from Quran itself. I'm not responding to your concern yet. Just giving you headsup.

^
Thanks. It would be nice if you can take the pain to locate the minutes. Shall be waiting for the videos.

shawl:


@ikupakuti
@Empiree
and co

What can you say about the reward for love and honor for the prophet, sallAllahu alaihi wa sallam?

I actually love this angle from which you chose to veiw this matter.

#1- Now, before we come to fatihi & other salawats, lets look @ Q49:1-3 where God hinted the esteemed sahabas that a single ill-manner (su‘ul adab) as little as raising of voice before the holy prophet (saw) could crash a life-time effort, no matter the calibre of whos involved, without such person being the wiser. Now, let invert the ladder, in the same manner, a little reverence/respect/love as little as lowering of voice before him could erase the sins of the greatest sinner ever whos got no single ibada to his credit, without him even being aware.

#2- Again lets look @ Q33:56, here, God doesnt recite the Quran or engages in any dhikr but pre-occupies himself by sending salat upon his beloved, along with his troops of angels (with all other creatures @ large for those who understand). Now the act of God has no begining nor ending, it stretchs from pre-existence to eternity. Now for whoever does a single salat for the holy prophet (saw) God will return the gesture to him by doing 10 of his “own“ kind of salat. Now what scale are we going to use in weighing or quantifying a single act of God ?

#3- According to the hadiths, what is the reward attributed to the literal Quran in terms of hasanats ? The highest is 100 hasanta per haraf while standing in salat, which is not up to 34million hasanats, can we compare that to what a single act of God would amass in terms of reward if it could ever be weighed ?

Modern muslims think those awliyyas just do open their mouths & make unfounded claims, you see, all those reward being attributed to fatihi & other salawats are just tip of the iceberge, take that from me, just something to fit into peoples brain. What they command in terms of reward cant be quatified & thats the hard truth.

God stated in the Quran Q2:261 that he does multiply in reward to the highest fold imaginable for whoever he wants & that FADHLI (favour) lies in his hands & he does bestow it to whom he chooses.

Its not everything that can fit into our understanding. How do we rationalize The hadith that said 3 IKHLAS are in equivalency to the whole Quran which also contains that same IKHLAS ? I can perform salat with the whole of Quran starting from fatiha, does it mean one can also perform salat with 3 IKHLAS without fatiha ?

When people hear the saying that something is greater than the Quran in reward, they take it to be a form of degradation of the Quran due to their poor understanding lols its only in a certain perspective, thats all.

Al-maktoom (ra) said in JAWA‘IR that when he returned to TILMICAN from his famous hajj of 1778, he did engaged in fatihi due to what he read in WARDATL JUYOOB that it is worth 600‘000 salats. That the author also quoted al-baqir as-siddiqy saying that, whoever recites it once & doesnt get admitted into paradise should hold him liable before God for it. He said he continued till he got back to ABA SAMGUON, where he got another salat thats worth 70‘000 of DALA‘ILU KHAERAT. He droped fatihi & embraced it due to its lofty reward. Then the holy prophet (saw) commanded him to return to fatihi. He then asked him about its worth ? He said the holy prophet (saw) told him firstly that, its single recitation is worth 6 Quran & then later on told him that a single recitation of it is worth 6000x of all the TESBIH occuring in the universe through dhikr, dua whether big or small & also the Quran since its also among the adhkar.

Now, thats the literal Quran. Al-maktoom said in KUNASHI that the Quran in its capacity as the ultimate signature of God, that nothing created can be used to quantify its worth. That if one is to collect together all the adhkar, tesbih, salawats, rewards from the begining of the eons to there end, all wont measure upto a single haraf in the Quantum Quran.

Jamo90:


haha even pakuti is on recess. I hope he'll have more stories for us when he comes back.

I still don't understand how you forgot the alagemo story o.

recess ke ? Nairaland is my number 1 news feeder for long, I always visit here.

I‘ve studied @empiree‘s body language, I dont think he‘ll “remember“ that alagemo‘s story

oga kuti i sent a mail since ,Abeg check n reply ...

ikupakuti:


recess ke ? Nairaland is my number 1 news feeder for long, I always visit here.

I‘ve studied @empiree‘s body language, I dont think he‘ll “remember“ that alagemo‘s story

Yeah I'm now certain empire.e doesn't recall majority of the story. Though, when I was young an elderly man told me the story about some masquerades who were asked not to pass a street by an Alfa. I think they even assaulted a woman putting on niqab and still passed the street. The Alfa made some prayers and all the masquerades couldn't remove their costumes. It stuck to their body. Everyone of them was confused and people who were not even Muslims admitted there is nothing greater than la ilaha illallah. A lot of People converted to Islam on that day.
I wasn't present and don't know the particular place this happened. I don't have all the facts.

#I've asked a friend of mine to help me look for dawatu Jabbariyya, he's still searching for it. Are you sure it doesn't have another name or alias well known than this one?

#Expect a mail from me soon.

@ikupakuti

Thanks for that insightful analysis. It really drive home many hidden benefit of some certain thing we might not easily understand on their facial value.

No doubt, when one begin to feel the effect of the salawat, it brings along with it such TRANQUILITY and BLESSINGS that the SOUL will forever long for, without with, it become incapacitated. The "woman" said salawat should be done attayamulikiyamat.

I wish, you give us the translation of JAWAHIR soon, so that we can benefit from the written of the Maktoom(rta).

What would you say about these people Aqtab, Awtad, Akhyar and Abdal.

I wish EVERYONE happy LOVELY RAMADAN. Thanks @shawl for that question, more of that, so that we can learn. @empiree pls where can I get more of Sheikh Daud Alfa Nla videos.

Jamo90:


Yeah I'm now certain empire.e doesn't recall majority of the story. Though, when I was young an elderly man told me the story about some masquerades who were asked not to pass a street by an Alfa. I think they even assaulted a woman putting on niqab and still passed the street. The Alfa made some prayers and all the masquerades couldn't remove their costumes. It stuck to their body. Everyone of them was confused and people who were not even Muslims admitted there is nothing greater than la ilaha illallah. A lot of People converted to Islam on that day.
I wasn't present and don't know the particular place this happened. I don't have all the facts.

#I've asked a friend of mine to help me look for dawatu Jabbariyya, he's still searching for it. Are you sure it doesn't have another name or alias well known than this one?

#Expect a mail from me soon.

#That story kinda sound familiar, like something I‘ve heard before.

#Thats his name DA‘WATU-L-JABARIYYAH, I do not think or know it with anyother name. Its very popular, whoever knows it knows it. Had it been that my friend is still around, I‘d have gotten it for you. I could only remember some part of it now. Just offer some money you‘ll surely get it, as people dont like giving out sirri just like that for some reasons.

#ok expecting ur mail.

‘Afaaka llah @LadunaI... been a while

#Some people mistake perspective for essence, and it usually starts from literalists who go poking into advance books of the SOOFEES, mischieviously quoting phrases just to create controversy & confuse people since thats what they thrive on. Those books are specifically targerted @ certain audience & not everyone. Those they were written for easily understand whats being discussed without elaborating coz its their field. Fatiha is greater than Baqara (by virtue) & Baqara is also greater than Fatiha (by volumn), just a matter of perspective.

#That “woman“ (ra) lied not, only those who have indulged can testify to what the heart feels/gains by sending DAROOD upon the most worthy (saw) instead of people to sit down & do practical, they‘ll be policing up and down with their twisted brains.

# You mean our translation is not ready? How I wish I have the luxury to do that translation, the thought of it only sef dey fear me. but its a promise I‘ve made, may God help us.

#My bad! I‘ve forgotten that request on dem RIJAL GHAEB. I‘ve read many hadiths on them, with some differing in matn concerning their numbers...but the porpular view is that, the Qutb/Gawth is the heir of the holy prophet (saw) who inherits some portions of his maqam passively, the Awtaad are the heirs of the 4 Khulafai, the Abdal are the heirs of the remaining 6 that were giving assurance of jannah, the Nuqbai are the heirs of the 40 present on the day Umar (ra) converted, the Nujba‘i are the heirs of 313 Badarites, then the rest whom only God knows their sum Q74:31. It is said that, God uses them to indemnify & insure the ummah of Muhammad (saw) so they are ever present until the hour.

RAMADHAN KAREEM.

LadunaI:
@empire.e pls where can I get more of Sheikh Daud Alfa Nla videos.

This guy usually uploads his videos https://www.youtube.com/user/ALFANLA1/videos

where is bro emeka i hope you are still on earth.

Happy Ramadan everyone ...the blessings of this great month shall manifest in our lives..Amin

ikupakuti:


#That story kinda sound familiar, like something I‘ve heard before.

#Thats his name DA‘WATU-L-JABARIYYAH, I do not think or know it with anyother name. Its very popular, whoever knows it knows it. Had it been that my friend is still around, I‘d have gotten it for you. I could only remember some part of it now. Just offer some money you‘ll surely get it, as people dont like giving out sirri just like that for some reasons.

#ok expecting ur mail.

Alright thanks.

#I'd like to ask you and empiree what you guys think about Sheikh Sulaimon Faruq? What do you think about him? Anytime I watch his videos I'm like how come this guy know a lot of things?
It is true that only Allah knows his true messengers but I just want to know your opinions about him judging from his lectures. There is no way we can know what he is into behind the scenes but we can actually have an idea of the kind of person he is. The way he interprets the Quran is amazing. It would be a disappointment to discover that kind of person is not on the same side with Allah.
Sincerely, I do enjoy his lectures but I'm afraid and seldom ask myself what if this man is not who we think he is?
How exactly do we know the true Waliyy of Allah?

Jamo90:


#I'd like to ask you and empiree what you guys think about Sheikh Sulaimon Faruq? What do you think about him?

lols first of all, what prompted your skepticalness towards him ? What made you to doubt his righteousness ? What did you noticed about him that didnt add up ?

As for knowing whos who...there is no clear cut rule. As in, majority of awliyya are disguised. Some do not even know themselves.

Excluding the affairs of batini, the rules of which is in contrast with that of zahiri, the SHARIA of the holy prophet (saw) sits atop & over-rides any speciality or grace granted to any walliy of muhammedanism, as in none of them dare float the orders of the holy prophet (saw) or show blatant disregard to the SHARIA & they are all well aware of that.

What happened between Musa (as) & al-khidr when he murdered that boy which got Musa livid, should any walliyy try that in the open, he will be executed regardless of whether he got special permission directly from God or not, the SHARIA must apply, since it has come to the open, unless God makes a special intervention which hardly happens.

Willaya cannot stop a walliy from commiting sins or following his desires, inshort, no position a human will attain in Godhood that will absorb his humanity, the brethren of Yusuf (as) were already prophets before they went & meet him in MISRA, but their prophethood did not stop them from telling a lie & being sentimental Q12:77 also it didnt stop Musa (as) from flipping off by assaulting another nabiyy Q20:94 Q7:150.
Immunity belongs to NUBUWA only, meaning a nabiyy is above the law he brought, should he @ any point in time go against it but a walliy has no immunity & thus would be charged, unless he is forgiven or interceeded for...but then lets hear your view of him.

ikupakuti:


lols first of all, what prompted your skepticalness towards him ? What made you to doubt his righteousness ? What did you noticed about him that didnt add up ?

As for knowing whos who...there is no clear cut rule. As in, majority of awliyya are disguised. Some do not even know themselves.

Excluding the affairs of batini, the rules of which is in contrast with that of zahiri, the SHARIA of the holy prophet (saw) sits atop & over-rides any speciality or grace granted to any walliy of muhammedanism, as in none of them dare float the orders of the holy prophet (saw) or show blatant disregard to the SHARIA & they are all well aware of that.

What happened between Musa (as) & al-khidr when he murdered that boy which got Musa livid, should any walliyy try that in the open, he will be executed regardless of whether he got special permission directly from God or not, the SHARIA must apply, since it has come to the open, unless God makes a special intervention which hardly happens.

Willaya cannot stop a walliy from commiting sins or following his desires, inshort, no position a human will attain in Godhood that will absorb his humanity, the brethren of Yusuf (as) were already prophets before they went & meet him in MISRA, but their prophethood did not stop them from telling a lie & being sentimental Q12:77 also it didnt stop Musa (as) from flipping off by assaulting another nabiyy Q20:94 Q7:150.
Immunity belongs to NUBUWA only, meaning a nabiyy is above the law he brought, should he @ any point in time go against it but a walliy has no immunity & thus would be charged, unless he is forgiven or interceeded for...but then lets hear your view of him.

#Interesting! I do not have doubts about his righteousness but due to so many controversies surrounding him I had to rescrutinize. I have seen from your reply that you have stylishly refused to answer the question and turned it back to me. So I'll ask again. What do you think about him? lol


On the story of Musa (as) & al-khidr, this sheikh said the lessons and miracles Al khidr performed for Musa (as) were 13 in numbers but the Quran only mentioned 3 and one can get the remaining 10 from Alfas who know about it.
My question: Do the Waliyys(due to their status) have some knowledge about things that happened during the time of the prophet that are not recorded in the Quran n hadith? like some ruhs bringing the True story of some past events. Someone here once said there are some jinns who were around during the time of the Prophet (SAW) but they are not reliable when it comes to asking for past events.


I think @Empiree is busy now.


Ramadan Kareem!

I wish u all happy ramadan, as we start this month of ramadan with lafiya may we end it with lafiya, may Allah swt give us the strength to be resilient an carry on till the end.
Pls let's endeavor to use this month to work on our spiritual level, and upgrade it. There is no better time than now. It's very important as a Muslim to up our spirituality, we all have dreams but wen u surrender ur all to Allah swt, everything becomes easier for u, in that spiritual state ur prayers are answered immediately. Wateva u ask u get, this is how u knw that ur spirituality is high, an dat u r close to Allah swt. It's nt good to be praying an ur prayers are not answered, how do u knw ur ibadah are also accepted. like my Sheik will always say, Wat if u wake up in the other side tomorrow and realize all ur ibadah are Nt accepted.
Leave every sweet activities of this world and surrender totally to Allah and everything else will began to work out well for you.
MAy Allah swt accept our ibadah and ramadan

Inna LILLAHI wa inna ILLAHI Rajiun.
My favorite Sheik in the whole world, Sheikh Muhammad El Amin had answered the SUPREME CALL OF ALLAH around 16th hours of yesterday Nigeria Time in Zaria.
The man mightier than sword. A great reservoir in Islamic Knowledge
May Allah be pleased with him and grant his gentle soul PARADISE.

inna lilahi waina ilahi rojiun. I head about this on fb's tijani brother. May Allah forgive him. Amin

Jamo90:




I think @Empi.ree is busy now.


Ramadan Kareem!

Really been busy traveling backing b n f. Plus i am usually less active on nl in ramadan. All i can say is, we judge ppl by their outward appearance. I have nothing against sheikh Onikijipa. I know he is somewhat controversial but i see no reason to declare him heretic. I enjoy his lecture. And i believe @ikupakuti has summed the whole thing basically.

îîî Yeah you are right. I enjoy his lectures too.
I wish you all the best in this Gracious month.

ikupakuti:


As for knowing whos who...there is no clear cut rule. As in, majority of awliyya are disguised. Some do not even know themselves.
...

Thanks for your reply. Happy Ramadan!!!

How would a wali wouldn't know that he is wali? Isn't there is a sign(s) that signify the the commencement of such relationship?

.....and my servant will continue to move near until I love him. And when I loved him I BECOME his HEARING with which he hears, the EYES with which SEEs and his HAND with which he holds. If he were to seek my PROTECTION, I will protect him, and if we're to ASK for anything I will GRANT it...(hadith) isn't these some of signs of wilayah?

ikupakuti:


Willaya cannot stop a walliy from commiting sins or following his desires, inshort, no position a human will attain in Godhood that will absorb his humanity, the brethren of Yusuf (as) were already prophets before they went & meet him in MISRA, but their prophethood did not stop them from telling a lie & being sentimental Q12:77 ...

First time of reading this....brethren of prophet Yusuf (as) were already a prophets before meeting in th
him(as) in MISRA. Can you pls explain in details? Are they prophet also?

It's very interesting that had been prophet Musa(as) has take a proper retrospect, he would have seen rationale behind the deeds of Hadrat khidir(as). Because all these seemingly "outrageous acts" have similar/parallel anecdotes in prophet musa`s life.

1. Destroying a boat by khidir to safe the poor man,so also his mother put him in a boat to safe him from Firaun

2. Killing of the boy, so also he killed the Egyptian when helping is tribal man

3. The good Samaritan work. So also he did for the ladies in watering their sheeps.

Prophet Musa would have benefited from hindsight, if he had patiently ponder thru those happenings. @jamo90 may be you help us with remain ten torii.

Empiree:
This guy usually uploads his videos https://www.youtube.com/user/ALFANLA1/videos

Thanks. Jazakallahu khairan.

Jamo90:


#Interesting! I do not have doubts about his righteousness but due to so many controversies surrounding him I had to rescrutinize. I have seen from your reply that you have stylishly refused to answer the question and turned it back to me. So I'll ask again. What do you think about him? lol

Lols I didnt evade your question, what I think of him is goodness. I only got to watch him on videos so I dont really have much info on his personality, but from the tone of your post & knowing our people I could sense where your skepticism could rise from, which prompted me to give that lowdown but then one cant be too sure, thats why I want you to say what controversy you know him to be in. As empire put it, we can only evaluate base on outward appearance.

As for other episodes of Musa/khidr affair, this is the first time I‘m hearing about it.

#Getting info on past/future events is not that hard for awliyyas, through kashaf, ilham, ilm laduni, wahy, khatif, angels etc infos can be gotten on whatever matter.

@LadunaI

#You know wilayya like any other attribute comes in two ways, either naturally/by birth or through endeavours. Someone born into wealth might not know what it means to be poor (meaning he might take his status for granted & not think it special) which is understandable. That hadith applys to the “endeavour“ route only.

#Though the mufassirun disagree among themselves concerning their prophethood. Those who denied based their judgement on their (brethren) misdemeanors, forgeting that they are also humans. They misunderstood ‘isma (immunity) of the prophets (as) to mean INABILITY to commit sins & not EXEMPTION from indictment, so they believe only Yusuf is.

Q4:163, here when God was talking about revelation to erstwhile prophets (as), while mentioning the descendants of Ibrahim (as) in order, when he got to Ya‘qub (as) who was their dad, he did not specify Yusuf (as) only as next in line but lumped the 12 of them together as ASBAAT, he then proceeded to mention the descendants of the ASBAATS etc.

#I think part of what blinded Musa (as) to those correlations was the fact that, his own happened within the confines of SHARIA but oga khidr‘s own was totally off the books while Musa (as) knew he has never shown outright disregard for the laws before, so we can excuse him (as)

^^^
# Thanks understood. And like someone who thru endeavour are given such without necessarily the intention behind his endeavour in the first instance. A shear GRACE from Allah.

# ok I will further research the argument for /against their prophethood.

#What is this Khatif? you mentioned above.

Thanks.