Catholics to praying to dead saints is it biblical.
One of the customs of Catholics is to pray to dead Saints to intercede on their behalf in Heaven.This doctrine is based on the belief that dead Saints are alive and already in Heaven this erroneous belief is one of the biggest decits of Satan.We will take a look at this issue with the Bible as our guide.
First what is the State of the dead? are they living or do they ascend into Heaven immediately after death.
Psalms 146:3 Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help. 146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.
Ecclesiastes9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. 9:6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
This Bible verses clearly show that the dead including the Saints are not in a state of consciousness but rather their thoughts,love,passions are all perished.
Death is likened to sleep,a man who is at sleep is not in control of his thoughts,actions or environment, same with death. Job 14:12 So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep. 14:14 If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come. John 11:11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep. 11:12 Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well. 11:13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.
So if the Saints are not in Heaven where can they be? The Saints are not in Heaven as we can see from those Bible verses they are all asleep in their graves or earth(dust).we will look at more bible verses to confirm this.
1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
Daniel 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
This Bible verses confirm  that the dead sleep in the dust not in Heaven.
John  5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Even David the man after God's heart,a man who Jesus Christ  was named after 'Thou son of David'  did not ascend into Heaven after his death.
I don't think there is anyone more qualified to be called a Saint than David.but still David did not ascend to Heaven at his death he is still lying in his grave waiting for the resurrection. Acts2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
Acts 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
Even David knew he was not to go to Heaven immedately after his death so he wrote in Psalms  17:15 As for me, I will behold thy face in righteousness: I shall be satisfied, when I AWAKE, with thy likeness.

Considering the State of the dead,saints including Mary,Paul,Joseph,e.t.c while do Catholics still pray to them. It is apparent that they are praying to Idols and Demons in the name of praying to Saints.Mary,Paul,Peter,James,John,Stephen e.t.c  are all sleeping in their graves they neither eat,work, Think, or hear nor intercede in prayers on behalf of others.
This  evil doctrine has been sold to the public especially Catholics who believe that dead people go straight to Hell or Heaven immediately after death.
People go to Heaven or Hell on the Judgement day or day of resurrection not before then. Daniel12:2,John5:28-29 & 1cor15:12-14,1cor16-19.
John  5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,  5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
This bible verses confirm that the dead and Saints are not in Heaven but are waiting for the resurrection for if they were already in Heaven  the bible will not be talking about a resurrection of the Saints or the dead.what will they be resurrecting from since they are already in Heaven?
To Catholics pls deciet from praying to dead Saints they cannot hear you or intercede on your behalf.Only one name has been given to us by which man can be saved and that is the name of Jesus  Acts  4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Only Jesus not any dead saint or Mary or Paul or Pope.
We are expected to pray to God only through the name of Jesus not through any dead Saints John14:13 no other person can.mediate between man and God ,not Mary,Paul or angels but only Jesus Christ is our mediator 1Timothy  2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Christ and the Holy Spirit  which is the spirit of Christ can intercede on our behalf Romans 8:34,
Romans  8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.  8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

Thank You.

MuttleyLaff,
Splinz, Openmine

Its demonically satanic

Lol at dead saints.....


Is Abraham dead?

Something is going on in that Church. I'll advise believers to focus their attention on what's coming out of that church. Something big is about to happen and it will emanate from there.

He who has ears, let him hear.

dingbang:
Lol at dead saints.....

Is Abraham dead?

Is he alive?

blueAgent:



Is he alive?

yes...

@OP, True....

It is unbiblical

Sir Blue, good to hear from you again.

As for the topic, you have no need that I should write you a new commandment other than what you've learnt was from the beginning.

Yes. You've provided the answers straight from the pages of the Bible, rightly divided and clear enough for the discerning mind. So, I agree with you not for any other thing but because the Scriptures agrees with you as well.

Good understanding, sir.

dingbang:
yes...

Where is it written in the Bible?

dingbang:
yes...

Where is it written in the Bible?

Splinz:
Sir Blue, good to hear from you again.

As for the topic, you have no need that I should write you a new commandment other than what you've learnt was from the beginning.

Yes. You've provided the answers straight from the pages of the Bible, rightly divided and clear enough for the discerning mind. So, I agree with you not for any other thing but because the Scriptures agrees with you as well.

Good understanding, sir.

Thank you. i just wanted to draw your attention and your opinion for the doubters. i know we share common doctrine and views.

It is falsehood to call upon dead people, or 'saints' to act as intermediaries between man and God. This practice robs Christ of His supremacy and centrality in God's plan of redemption. Paul talked about this in Colossians 2 vs 18.

Worship, reverence and prayer to anyone other than God the Father, His son Jesus and the Holy Spirit is unbiblical and must be vigorously rejected.

Isn't the "mother church" awesome?

Ishilove:
It is falsehood to call upon dead people, or 'saints' to act as intermediaries between man and God. This practice robs Christ of His supremacy and centrality in God's plan of redemption. Paul talked about this in Colossians 2 vs 18.

Worship, reverence and prayer to anyone other than God the Father, His son Jesus and the Holy Spirit is unbiblical and must be vigorously rejected.

Who says a practice must be explicitly written in the Bible for it to be regarded as a Christian practice?

An2elect2:
Isn't the "mother church" awesome?

you are about to send the thread to the gutter, I can also start naming those Catholics that protestants killed.


Tyndale wasn't killed by the church but by the country known as England , he was convicted of disseminating an incorrect translation of the Bible, get ur facts right.

The belief in soul sleep in my knowledge is rejected by many Christian sects and is only accepted by a select few, JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES AND SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST, AND A HANDFUL OF OTHERS.. That belief is not unique to catholics here's what some evangelical sites habe to say about it... take note all of these are also anti catholic....

http://www.letusreason.org/doct15.htm
this is a long read but it addresses all of the scriptures and arguments provided by the o.p. and more..


http://www.patheos.com/blogs/christiancrier/2014/12/30/is-soul-sleep-biblical-what-does-the-bible-say/

here's a favourite of many anti catholic nairalanders
https://www.gotquestions.org/soul-sleep.html?_e_pi_=7%2CPAGE_ID10%2C4322479395

http://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/what-is-the-doctrine-of-soul-sleep-is-it-biblical/

https://carm.org/soul-sleep?_e_pi_=7%2CPAGE_ID10%2C8399780948

i can go on and on..

IF YOU THINK PRAYING TO THE SAINTS IS WRONG, YOUR SOUL SLEEP DOCTRINE YOU USE TO CONDEMN IT IS ALSO WRONG...

Ishilove:
It is falsehood to call upon dead people, or 'saints' to act as intermediaries between man and God. This practice robs Christ of His supremacy and centrality in God's plan of redemption. Paul talked about this in Colossians 2 vs 18.

Worship, reverence and prayer to anyone other than God the Father, His son Jesus and the Holy Spirit is unbiblical and must be vigorously rejected.

Catholic teaching doesn't take them as intermediates between God and man, but just intercessors, not MEDIATORS, people who we pray together with.. and it does not rob Christ of anything because we are all members of his body (romans 12/1 cor 12)and death doesn't separate us from Christ and his body (2 cor 5, Romans 8:38)

easymancfc:


Catholic teaching doesn't take them as intermediates between God and man, but just intercessors, not MEDIATORS, people who we pray together with.. and it does not rob Christ of anything because we are all members of his body (romans 12/1 cor 12)and death doesn't separate us from Christ and his body (2 cor 5, Romans 8:38)

That teaching is not from the Bible. Don't try to support the pagan practice of praying to the dead with Scripture.

"So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep." Job 14:12 How then can you claim dead people are praying for you?

"Neither have they anymore a portion for ever in anything that is done under the sun." Eccl. 9:6 I guess your prayers are not done under the sun, and that's why dead people may have so large a portion in it as intercession.

Continue praying to demons in the name of saints.

easymancfc:


Catholic teaching doesn't take them as intermediates between God and man, but just intercessors, not MEDIATORS, people who we pray together with.. and it does not rob Christ of anything because we are all members of his body (romans 12/1 cor 12)and death doesn't separate us from Christ and his body (2 cor 5, Romans 8:38)

So when you can pray to the God the Father,
Instead you use that time to call on other spirits to interceed for you to the father?

Sounds like intercomm.

By the way:

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

The scripture tells us the only acceptable "intercomm"

If only you can explain that scripture.

"The dead praise not the Lord." Psalms 115:17.
How can the dead intercede for you with a GOD that they do not praise?
cc: easymancfc

DoctorAlien:


That teaching is not from the Bible. Don't try to support the pagan practice of praying to the dead with Scripture.

"So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep." Job 14:12 How then can you claim dead people are praying for you?

"Neither have they anymore a portion for ever in anything that is done under the sun." Eccl. 9:6 I guess your prayers are not done under the sun, and that's why dead people may have so large a portion in it as intercession.

Continue praying to demons in the name of saints.

Hi doctor alien.. its been a while..

i have said in my earlier post that what you condemn catholic "false doctrine" with or term as "unbiblical" is also called unbiblical by most other christians, see all the links i provided above.. P.S which one are you.. Adventist or J.W.

felixomor:


So when you can pray to the God the Father,
Instead you use that time to call on other spirits to interceed for you to the father?

Sounds like intercomm.

By the way:

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

The scripture tells us the only acceptable "intercomm"

If only you can explain that scripture.

It not intercom.. the bible encourages praying for one another...Its just asking others to pray for us.. Which according to the bible is good and pleasing to God.. unless you also think the dead know nothing ?

I'll be right back to give my opinion. In the 'meanwhile', let me consult Saint Abraham. I need his help concerning what to say here. I shall return!

easymancfc:



Hi doctor alien.. its been a while..

i have said in my earlier post that what you condemn catholic "false doctrine" with or term as "unbiblical" is also called unbiblical by most other christians, see all the links i provided above.. P.S which one are you.. Adventist or J.W.

My identity is not as important as the fact that you need to understand that "the dead know nothing." Eccl. 9:5.

They know nothing! Whether you're praying or not, they don't know!

Why don't you embrace the truth "while it is called To day"(Heb. 3:13)?

easymancfc:


It not intercom.. the bible encourages praying for one another...Its just asking others to pray for us.. Which according to the bible is good and pleasing to God.. unless you also think the dead know nothing ?

How do you know the location of the dead?
Heaven or hell

DoctorAlien:
"The dead praise not the Lord." Psalms 115:17.

How can the dead intercede for you with a GOD that they do not praise?

cc: easymancfc

Old testament sir,
in the new testament we hear of a lot of consciousness from so called "dead people"...

Hebrews 12:1, cloud of witnesses
HOW CAN THE DEAD WITNESS?

heb 12:21-24 we have come to the spirits of just men made perfect, Gods first born in the heavenly Jerusalem..
THIS TALKS ABOUT PEOPLE WE HAVE IN HEAVENLY PLACES CURRENTLY.. how can if they "know nothing" .

1 peter 3:19 he preached to the souls in prison when he descended..

HOW CAN THE DEAD HEAR IF THEY HAVE NO CONSCIOUSNESS

Ephe 4: 8-9 says he ascended and led a host of captives,
HOW CAN HE LEAD PEOPLE SLEEPING IN THEIR GRAVES...

luke 16.. the rich man and lazarus were not sleeping after death

mat 17 in the transfiguration Moses who died is seen with Jesus, when he is supposed to KNOW NOTHING AND BE SLEEPING IN WAITING FOR THE RESURECTION

DoctorAlien:


My identity is not as important as the fact that you need to understand that "the dead know nothing." Eccl. 9:5.

They know nothing! Whether you're praying or not, they don't know!

Why don't you embrace the truth "while it is called To day"(Heb. 3:13)?

it does, if you are sharing truth,, All those links i posted from non catholic even anti catholic sites go against your "Truth"... i advise you too.. "Embrace truth while it is still today" Heb 3:13

So which is it, adventist or J.W

felixomor:


How do you know the location of the dead?
Heaven or hell

Scripture, private and public revelation..

Praying to dead "saints" is not biblical. It is even funny when you realise that some of these "saints" never existed. The Catholic church is known for inventing dubious stories, and has admitted that, for example, "saint" Christopher never existed, but was just a fable invented to deceive their members. You now laugh when you see people praying to "saint" Christopher, or churches named "st. Christopher's" after a mythical figure.

"Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered." Rom. 8:26

The Holy Spirit makes intercession of the children of GOD with unutterable groanings. What can be better than that? That Divine intercession of the Holy Spirit is not deficient, and need not be supplemented with the intercession of dead "saints".

You reject the intercession of the Spirit if you insist on praying to demons in the name of saints.

ScotFree:
I'll be right back to give my opinion. In the 'meanwhile', let me consult Saint Abraham. I need his help concerning what to say here. I shall return!

Stop making caricature of people's belief, its fine if you don't agree with them but dont lie against their beliefs, catholics dont "consult" saints, they ask for their prayers.. period..

DoctorAlien:
Praying to dead "saints" is not biblical. It is even funny when you realise that some of these "saints" never existed. The Catholic church is known for inventing dubious stories, and has admitted that, for example, "saint" Christopher never existed, but was just a fable invented to deceive their members. You now laugh when you see people praying to "saint" Christopher.

"Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered." Rom. 8:26

The Holy Spirit makes intercession of the children of GOD with unutterable groanings. What can be better than that? That Divine intercession of the Holy Spirit is not deficient, and need not be supplemented with the intercession of dead "saints".

You reject the intercession of the Spirit if you insist on praying to demons in the name of saints.

We dont reject intercession of the Spirit dear friend, we accept it whole heartedly, we just ask fellow Christians in heaven to pray for us..
P.S. on saint christopher, can you prove he never existed??