Pls let change the name to republic of western Nigeria.

jiangchu:
i dont like the idea of a yoruba nation. we yorubas should be more open to the minorities as they feel more comfortable with us than any other major tribe in nigeria. the SS and middle belt will be part of us. and we all are going to write a new constitution that we will all agreed upon. i don't want a tribal country. just want an egalitarian country.

You call yourself yoruba but you don't like the notion of a Yoruba country. You call yourself yoruba, but don't want a country for your tribe and seemingly put more worth in the comfort of minorities than the comfort and future of Yoruba women and children. You say you're Yoruba but everything you're saying is not in the best interest of the Yorubas. Just because you say you're yoruba doesn't make it true. If you're yoruba but have anti- yoruba sentiments, you're really only Yoruba by name and name alone.

Weldone guys, what a thought provoking thread this is...I respect you guys views on having a country that is purely for Yoruba.. but the truth we have to tell ourselves is that we need to use the templates of successful countries around the world in building a new nation. ..example America is successful cos of its diversity. US govt for centuries have realised that creating a country on the basis of common interest devoid of ethnic or racial interest accelerates development. I so much believe we do not plan to have another useless state in Africa but one that will compete with the Asean tigers and European greats like Sweden and Norway in no distant future.
in my opinion, I think it will be better if we create a country where any group of people that wants to be part is allowed to join irrespective of race, tribe or ethnicity....i am certainly certain that many people of igbo dissent will even prefer to be part of a country formed in Western Nigeria than Biafra. so for other tribes as well I believe ...

Trust me a country of inclusion will better serve the Yoruba agenda than a country of exclusive Yorubas...A country that has a Yoruba man; who naturally is an administrator , strategist and a man of Igbo dissent who naturally is an industrialist will easily achieve greatness than a single one....what I am saying is that we should plan for a country for all willing parties and a constitution that gives everyone equal right and opportunities ofcourse with tested allegiance...some might say we are creating a mini Nigeria again...the truth is there is nothing wrong with Nigeria if not that the participants were not allowed to decide on their participation but forced to participate, hence the reason why we are here today.

Intrepid01:
Weldone guys, what a thought provoking thread this is...I respect you guys views on having a country that is purely for Yoruba.. but the truth we have to tell ourselves is that we need to use the templates of successful countries around the world in building a new nation. ..example America is successful cos of its diversity. US govt for centuries have realised that creating a country on the basis of common interest devoid of ethnic or racial interest accelerates development. I so much believe we do not plan to have another useless state in Africa but one that will compete with the Asean tigers and European greats like Sweden and Norway in no distant future.
in my opinion, I think it will be better if we create a country where any group of people that wants to be part is allowed to join irrespective of race, tribe or ethnicity....i am certainly certain that many people of igbo dissent will even prefer to be part of a country formed in Western Nigeria than Biafra. so for other tribes as well I believe ...

Trust me a country of inclusion will better serve the Yoruba agenda than a country of exclusive Yorubas...A country that has a Yoruba man; who naturally is an administrator , strategist and a man of Igbo dissent who naturally is an industrialist will easily achieve greatness than a single one....what I am saying is that we should plan for a country for all willing parties and a constitution that gives everyone equal right and opportunities ofcourse with tested allegiance...some might say we are creating a mini Nigeria again...the truth is there is nothing wrong with Nigeria if not that the participants were not allowed to decide on their participation but forced to participate, hence the reason why we are here today.

Guy, I disagree. I will give you full details tomorrow. Make I go sleep.

Igbo fools are just making noise. They have no plan for life with out Niger delta and Nigeria. All they do is to attack us and claim descent from Jews that don't give two f.ucks about them. Good job op.

we need this kind of bulding where people wil buy from it,so we will have enough land for farming.

Intrepid01:
Weldone guys, what a thought provoking thread this is...I respect you guys views on having a country that is purely for Yoruba.. but the truth we have to tell ourselves is that we need to use the templates of successful countries around the world in building a new nation. ..example America is successful cos of its diversity. US govt for centuries have realised that creating a country on the basis of common interest devoid of ethnic or racial interest accelerates development. I so much believe we do not plan to have another useless state in Africa but one that will compete with the Asean tigers and European greats like Sweden and Norway in no distant future.
in my opinion, I think it will be better if we create a country where any group of people that wants to be part is allowed to join irrespective of race, tribe or ethnicity....i am certainly certain that many people of igbo dissent will even prefer to be part of a country formed in Western Nigeria than Biafra. so for other tribes as well I believe[/b]

Trust me a country of inclusion will better serve the Yoruba agenda than a country of exclusive Yorubas...A country that has a Yoruba man; who naturally is an administrator , strategist and a man of Igbo dissent who naturally is an industrialist will easily achieve greatness than a single one....what I am saying is that we should plan for a country for all willing parties and a constitution that gives everyone equal right and opportunities ofcourse with tested allegiance...some might say we are creating a mini Nigeria again...the truth is there is nothing wrong with Nigeria if not that the participants were not allowed to decide on their participation but forced to participate, hence the reason why we are here today.

i was feeling you until ur second paragraph, make i pretend i no see am.

for the first i believe in diversity too, but the only minority we have to deal with is kogi.
Others from middlebelt can go dere own way but I would love it if we keep all of kogi. that state has potential (land, resources et al)

HughJazz:
there need to be a buffer states with the north incase of future invasions and wars. keep ebiras with other middle belt people and support their countries. big countries need buffer countries. so not to have border conflict that can lead to huge wars.

Tho some want a wholly Yoruba nation, i have nothing against that, but we can easily avoid the problems of the old Republic with dialogue amongst all. yes you're with us but know you're limit.
I don't think fear of war should be basis for turning away potential allies. We Yorubas should be better and show the world we are

AkinPhysicist:
We don't need efulefu Yorubas in our Oduduwa Republic. We will be willing to cooperate with anyone who wants to cooperate with us. Not dissimilar to the way the US works together with Britain on international issues. We seek a YORUBA nation were Yoruba language and culture will be at the forefront. We don't want some minorities to start complaining that we are marginalizing them - like some Iboes are crying in Akure because we told them they must respect our way of life. Many Nigerian Yorubas are ignorant of the strength of our culture. Four years ago, I visited Bahia in Brazil. I attended a festival and when the people discovered I was a Yoruba from Nigeria, they were all over me. They were asking a million questions at a time/inviting me to their homes. They treated me like a cousin they have not seen in years. Come and see young/old Brazilians playing the talking drums; dancing; dropping Orisa names like Sango, Obatala etc.Some of those people are more Yoruba than some of the useless Yoruba Christians and Muslims we have in Nigeria.

Intrepid01:
Weldone guys, what a thought provoking thread this is...I respect you guys views on having a country that is purely for Yoruba.. but the truth we have to tell ourselves is that we need to use the templates of successful countries around the world in building a new nation. ..example America is successful cos of its diversity. US govt for centuries have realised that creating a country on the basis of common interest devoid of ethnic or racial interest accelerates development. I so much believe we do not plan to have another useless state in Africa but one that will compete with the Asean tigers and European greats like Sweden and Norway in no distant future.
in my opinion, I think it will be better if we create a country where any group of people that wants to be part is allowed to join irrespective of race, tribe or ethnicity....i am certainly certain that many people of igbo dissent will even prefer to be part of a country formed in Western Nigeria than Biafra. so for other tribes as well I believe ...

Trust me a country of inclusion will better serve the Yoruba agenda than a country of exclusive Yorubas...A country that has a Yoruba man; who naturally is an administrator , strategist and a man of Igbo dissent who naturally is an industrialist will easily achieve greatness than a single one....what I am saying is that we should plan for a country for all willing parties and a constitution that gives everyone equal right and opportunities ofcourse with tested allegiance...some might say we are creating a mini Nigeria again...the truth is there is nothing wrong with Nigeria if not that the participants were not allowed to decide on their participation but forced to participate, hence the reason why we are here today.

Bro, i dont like what you just wrote. You have taken your own to another level. You talked about European giants like norway and sweden. Do you know that they are almost monoethnic? In sweden for example, the swedes make up 90 percent of their country while the minority finns are just 5 percent. Asians tigers like south korea and japan are 99 percent occupied by one tribe.
What do you mean by yorubas and igbos should form same country? I dont know where you come from but pls if you are not yoruba dont comment.
That your second paragraph is total bull-shit.

YungMillionaire:
Honestly when Ipob started calling you, Amberon and Mathias Afonjas, I basically gave up on them. Even Abagworo a bonafide Imolite is termed Afonja because he disagrees with them. You can make this stuff up.

You dey mind dem? Do you know how many people have been called Afonja, who are not even from the Southwest or anywhere close to it?

deedeedee1:

Bro, i dont like what you just wrote. You have taken your own to another level. You talked about European giants like norway and sweden. Do you know that they are almost monoethnic? In sweden for example, the swedes make up 90 percent of their country while the minority finns are just 5 percent. Asians tigers like south korea and japan are 99 percent occupied by one tribe.
What do you mean by yorubas and igbos should form same country? I dont know where you come from but pls if you are not yoruba dont comment.
That your second paragraph is total bull-shit.

Bros you have every right to disagree with me, don't forget seeing things in different perspective is the benefit of discussion.

To your question on where I am from, you have started acting like our brothers from across the Niger, once anyone disagrees with them he isn't igbo.

I am a full blooded Yoruba man. The only way to have a progressive country is to be open minded, you can't have a purely Yoruba nation, it is totally impossible. you can quote me. There are many inter-racial people amongst us, many people who were born n bred in the south west and have lived their life here, you can't possibly ask them to leave.

Take for example, there is an Igbo chief in Ibadan, he is a title chief although not on the Crown lineage simply cos he does not have a family house. But the man is in his late sixties I think, was born in Ibadan but his parents are from the east. He's an Ibadan man, he's a well respected chief and part of the decision makers. His children by origin are Ibos but by birth are South Westerners, they don't even speak ibo . are you going to ask them to leave their birth place, ibadan? They claim to be from Ibadan

Yoruba as a race, has thrived more than any other in Nigeria cos of our sense of inclusion, sense of acceptance, once loyalty is shown and allegiance is pledged. We will do better by that, I think.

wristbangle:
Very structured layout. My only concern is the inclusion of some parts of Edo and Delta states. They are in the mid west/ss region, so let's leave them out the map.

Creation of the mid-west out of the SW was a result of treacherous conspiracy between Azikiwe and the NPC porpurtedly to curtail Awolowo's and AG'a influence. Originally and naturally we were one.

deedeedee1:
Diamdem my ilaje brother where you at?

You mean Diademk07? Or Dumaknesset? Or Deomelo?

Intrepid01:


Bros you have every right to disagree with me, don't forget seeing things in different perspective is the benefit of discussion.

To your question on where I am from, you have started acting like our brothers from across the Niger, once anyone disagrees with them he isn't igbo.

I am a full blooded Yoruba man. The only way to have a progressive country is to be open minded, you can't have a purely Yoruba nation, it is totally impossible. you can quote me. There are many inter-racial people amongst us, many people who were born n bred in the south west and have lived their life here, you can't possibly ask them to leave.

Take for example, there is an Igbo chief in Ibadan, he is a title chief although not on the Crown lineage simply cos he does not have a family house. But the man is in his late sixties I think, was born in Ibadan but his parents are from the east. He's an Ibadan man, he's a well respected chief and part of the decision makers. His children by origin are Ibos but by birth are South Westerners, they don't even speak ibo . are you going to ask them to leave their birth place, ibadan? They claim to be from Ibadan

Yoruba as a race, has thrived more than any other in Nigeria cos of our sense of inclusion, sense of acceptance, once loyalty is shown and allegiance is pledged. We will do better by that, I think.

Yoruba is not a race. You guys seem to be under some sort of hallucination.
The only achievements of those who call themselves Yoruba is political corniness.
Even the word yoruba is a recent word. You guys run away from history because history reveals that there is no such thing as Yoruba.

It is funny how in nigeria most of you guys really don't know your history.
If you want to plan your future, then dig into your history so that you can build on the past and avoid the mistakes of the past.
What exactly is a yoruba ? When was that word created and who created it ?
What exactly do you mean by "minority" ?

Oyinlomobambam:



But did you know we go to school not just to read but to learn how to relate or handle issues? be wise

time will tell

9jakool:

Traditions are an integral part of culture. Belief systems, naming systems, legends and traditions like umale, and egungun are all integral part of culture. What's your definition of culture if I may ask?

Often times, people misconstrue them to be one and the same but truth is they differ.

What is tradition?
Tradition is the handing down of statements, beliefs, legends, customs, information, etc., from generation to generation, especially by word of mouth or by practice.

What is culture?
Culture is defined as the behaviours and beliefs of a particular social, ethnic, or age group, as well as the ways of living built up by a group, from one generation to another.
http://www.esdaw.eu/the-difference-between-heritage-tradition-and-culture.html

The most important thing to differentiate between them is to consider that, if the beliefs and behaviors have been forwarded from the previous generation to the next generation, then it is considered a tradition otherwise not, whereas culture reflects the beliefs, governments, and ways of life that makes a community distinct from the other. It is important to note that the word ‘traditional culture’ is used to describe the culture that has retained the traditional values.
http://www.differencebetween.info/difference-between-tradition-and-culture

Agumbaa:


Believe what you want, go back to as early as 2012 when Biafra issue started here, go and see the scornful hating and genocide wishing remarks made my Yorubas, you think Biafra agitation started with IPOB?

Dig out threads where it was reported that Ben Onwuka and BZM member were arrested and paraded half-naked, it is easy for you to point accusing fingers at us, but u don't take into consideration how we have been denigrated in the past for discussing Biafra.

You don't know half of the story, my first moniker was created october 2010, I do not deliberate national mainstream politics, my only contributions are largely on Biafra threads, or my state issues. My brother, there is nothing we have not been called by Yorubas.
When Ezu river killings happened, nairaland was a celebration zone by Yorubas.

Let me stop here.

I was here at the time, only as a guest however. I recall how a couple of neutral Igbos were bullied and forced into frustration then. I wouldn't mention names but it was glaring then. Need I also say that the approach was aggressive as it is now? Yes, that Yoruba folk share a part of what has happened today but the bulk of the whole thing rests with you guys. I also recall creating an innocent thread way back in 2013 and to my chagrin, it was turned inside out and I was stunned.

The Zionist movement alongside GEJ's position then gave the secessionists on here a sense of belonging and they never for once stopped beating down anyone, people or group who said a thing against GEJ. A couple of Yoruba disasters were celebrated here by yours just as it is now. I recall a moniker mentioning he surrendered himself to tribalism because he read so many horrible posts and comments from some of you. Well, it has happened and we have to live with it.

I expect you to take a cue from this thread to create yours, leave out the Afonjas and ask yours not to call them out since they are good at that.

all this exuberant youths. E fi ara yin bale. wots this? abeg make una calm down. for a start, I dnt even like d name Oduduwa Republic. we are tacticians, nt like some pple. pls let discuss restructure and hw to brk d bone of political cankerworm in d present day Nigeria

Dalek:


Tho some want a wholly Yoruba nation, i have nothing against that, but we can easily avoid the problems of the old Republic with dialogue amongst all. yes you're with us but know you're limit.
I don't think fear of war should be basis for turning away potential allies. We Yorubas should be better and show the world we are

you have to understand how the world works my friend. Big countries keep buffers doesn't mean we can't trade and such . It's just better for geopolitics and keeping their influence away from your border.

Finally... Thanks Seun..

Demmzy15, the thread is back.

Intrepid01:


Bros you have every right to disagree with me, don't forget seeing things in different perspective is the benefit of discussion.

To your question on where I am from, you have started acting like our brothers from across the Niger, once anyone disagrees with them he isn't igbo.

I am a full blooded Yoruba man. The only way to have a progressive country is to be open minded, you can't have a purely Yoruba nation, it is totally impossible. you can quote me. There are many inter-racial people amongst us, many people who were born n bred in the south west and have lived their life here, you can't possibly ask them to leave.

Take for example, there is an Igbo chief in Ibadan, he is a title chief although not on the Crown lineage simply cos he does not have a family house. But the man is in his late sixties I think, was born in Ibadan but his parents are from the east. He's an Ibadan man, he's a well respected chief and part of the decision makers. His children by origin are Ibos but by birth are South Westerners, they don't even speak ibo . are you going to ask them to leave their birth place, ibadan? They claim to be from Ibadan

Yoruba as a race, has thrived more than any other in Nigeria cos of our sense of inclusion, sense of acceptance, once loyalty is shown and allegiance is pledged. We will do better by that, I think.

I don't think anyone's actually saying we have to shut out immigrants -- that's impractical anyway. But the point is that non-Yorubas that choose to settle in our midst must be willing to integrate and assimilate into our society, co-exist in harmony, and obey our laws. Just like the case of the Ibadan chief of Igbo descent you alluded to. That man has been practically Yorubanized, for all intents and purposes. There are many people like that same man already co-existing peacefully in our midst all over Yorubaland even today, and I don't believe anyone here would support deporting them without cause. It's the migrants with land-grabbing ambitions and who are intent on destabilizing and disrupting the cultural integrity of our region and our way of life that should rightly be viewed with suspicion.

I.M.O, Yoruba Culture must supercede any other culture in Yorubaland -- we mustn't compromise with that else we'll be setting ourselves up for some serious problems in future.

Finish the job by moving it to front page so that people can be aware.

whizraymond:
Pls let change the name to republic of western Nigeria.

can't resist the temptation to quote this post type a "lol" beneath it.

finally they return our mandate... kudos to all who called the mods out on this. we can continue our discussion...
#FreedomOfExpression

Rilwayne001:
Demmzy15, the thread is back.

I guess this is what a little *protest* can do.

Intrepid01:


Bros you have every right to disagree with me, don't forget seeing things in different perspective is the benefit of discussion.

To your question on where I am from, you have started acting like our brothers from across the Niger, once anyone disagrees with them he isn't igbo.

I am a full blooded Yoruba man. The only way to have a progressive country is to be open minded, you can't have a purely Yoruba nation, it is totally impossible. you can quote me. There are many inter-racial people amongst us, many people who were born n bred in the south west and have lived their life here, you can't possibly ask them to leave.

Take for example, there is an Igbo chief in Ibadan, he is a title chief although not on the Crown lineage simply cos he does not have a family house. But the man is in his late sixties I think, was born in Ibadan but his parents are from the east. He's an Ibadan man, he's a well respected chief and part of the decision makers. His children by origin are Ibos but by birth are South Westerners, they don't even speak ibo . are you going to ask them to leave their birth place, ibadan? They claim to be from Ibadan

Yoruba as a race, has thrived more than any other in Nigeria cos of our sense of inclusion, sense of acceptance, once loyalty is shown and allegiance is pledged. We will do better by that, I think.

First of all, let me thank oga seun for re-opening this thread. Oga seun, eshe ooo.
Back to the topic. Are you telling me because an Igbo man has lived his whole life in Yorubaland, we should not leave this country?
Like i said before, i dont agree with you sir.

laudate:
You mean Diademk07? Or Dumaknesset? Or Deomelo?

Diademk07

ehinmowo:
all this exuberant youths. E fi ara yin bale. wots this? abeg make una calm down. for a start, I dnt even like d name Oduduwa Republic. we are tacticians, nt like some pple. pls let discuss restructure and hw to brk d bone of political cankerworm in d present day Nigeria

Nigeria will disintegrate