I have read it all. A lot of things said by the OP are either miscued or exaggerated but he is entitled to what he feels.

My prayer is that he finds peace wherever he goes as long as he remains in the faith. I have a feeling he was already losing love for the word before making this post. There are deeper explanations for everything and if his desire is genuine God will explain himself to him.

ImaIma1:


In summary, it is called brainwashing.

Just look at the way he responds to everyone defending the church and pastor. It is really pitiful. He has to justify every point, explain everything. Some of us have lost our sense of reasoning and intelligence.
Pastor Chris is a mere mortal that makes mistakes too. Let us look up to God and not man.

You are sounding like you want to believe what was written by the OP without hearing an alternative view point from a CE member. I think this already makes your position tainted.

From what I can see here, he feels that some misconceptions need to be redressed and you on the other hand would wish he stayed mute.

Maestro21:


You are sounding like you want to believe what was written by the OP without hearing an alternative view point from a CE member. I think this already makes your position tainted.

From what I can see here, he feels that some misconceptions need to be redressed and you on the other hand would wish he stayed mute.

When you have to answer everyone and play defender, it already shows something fishy.
I have had my share of CE. It doesn't really matter what i think. My close friend for a long time was a member and even if i had my reservations, i kept it to myself just like i have done here.

ImaIma1:


When you have to answer everyone and play defender, it already shows something fishy.
I have had my share of CE. It doesn't really matter what i think. My close friend for a long time was a member and even if i had my reservations, i kept it to myself just like i have done here.

Personally, I think this reasoning is flawed. If someone dislikes you due to a misinformation they have, you might want to disabuse that misinformation without being defensive. I think he is doing exactly that.

Someone said his Pastor encourages sin or what not and you want him to keep mum because you (who clearly has reservations about his pastor) said nothing?

I think the Bible encourages one to contend for the faith that they profess.

zionmade:

And u call urself a christian?
I would prefer wat u wrote there came from atheist.
because wen Christ takes full charge of ur spirit, some imaginations and words especially concerning the gathering of other christians will never come out of ur mouth. and here u re inviting someone to ur church on the foundation of defamation and disparage of another church.

guy go and sit down, church is not a place of comedy, or body showcasing, displaying boobs and v-jay through indecent dressing it's a place to gather and reference God in truth and in spirit. CE dressing mode doesn't reflect godliness, it reflects worldliness and a friend of the world is an enemy of God. I will rather go to clubhouse or go to CE but if I want an encounter with God in the gathering of his people, I'll go to a true church not CE.

stancydg:


Bro, I attend the headquarter church of Agape Christian Ministries/Assembly in Akure, otherwise known as Possibility ground. Guess its the branch church you attend in Lagos, if its the same church we're talking about here. I am sorry to say that despite the fact that our bishop will be worried about the issues raised by OP, he MAY be more worried at your comment, because if there's anything I have learnt from him, from a distance, it is his utmost lack of prejudice, apart from undeniable meekness, which every one attests to since his life, family and home have been very much open to church folks and the public. His wife says he is the most secure man she's met and we see it. I have watched him closely for years now and I am yet to see a trace of hypocrisy in him. Even though I am not a worker in the church, my own life has improved just by observing the way he deals with his wife, kids, pastors and members of the church. He will never judge or condemn anyone more so, those who bear the name of our Lord Jesus. I have become less judgemental too and I think you should emulate that, especially now that you are inviting someone to join us.Thanks.

The scripture says search all things and let the truth be established. it's not right to cover a falsehood on the basis of not being judgemental, that's the more reason why the devil is infiltrating our churches through worldliness bringing in wolves in sheeplike forms and leading many to eternal damnation, if you read your scriptures very well you will discover that the Apostles outrightly condemn every unseemingly activities in the church whether it relates to a man or a whole church, they called them out and tell congregations to disassociate themselves from such person or people. The fact that Peter overlooked an unseemly matter doesn't mean Paul shouldn't trash it out. So please for the sake of the in coming generation of the Christian folks speak the truth to where the truth is, because he that saw an unrighteousness and doesn't speak against it, will also partake in the punishment of that unrighteousness when the Lord visits such with the wrath of His Anger.

oladayo63:

Hello! Are you by any chance an ex-Futarian?

No sir, thanks.

mapist:


That curly hair is wat pisses me. I, a regular guy curls my hair, woos a member of theirs, i ll be classified as gay and very irresponsible. A CE member does same and he ll be classified as growing in the Lord.

hahahahahahahahahaha no mind them. There are levels you grow in the spirit and you will do away with that, they are for kids but there pastors keep doing it well maybe they are still kids lolz. Women fry their hair to look attractive to men, well it's understandable, guyman does it to look dope, and church men fry their hair to look attractive to who, Angels? Madness.

kizyalex10:
A proud catholic.catholic is like garri,they don't do advert,but they sell pass indomie.(penticostal)ancient way of worship.now u see churches dese days,a lady wears trouser,hair open,boobs. Pooping out,short skirt in d name of worship,u nw see pastor preaching the bible upside down.jonah swallowed d fish,nd when he is corrected that d fish swallowed jonah,he will say either way there was a swallow.u don't blame him,u blame d jezebels dressing to kill,boys wearing earings to church,ripped jeans,sagg etc

Is it the catholic that practices idolatory? Carrying mary matter for head? Pledging and consecrating thier lives to mary? Carrying mary's grotto upandan and rarely preaching the gospel according to Christ? Reciting 1000 hail mary's and novena all centered on mary whom Jesus always referred to as 'woman'? Is that one christianity?

Abeg what is the difference between catholicism today and idolatory? Abeg park well. I'd rather be an atheist or go to Guru Maharaji, at least I'd know exactly what I'm doing.

Fawklicant:


Is it the catholic that practices idolatory? Carrying mary matter for head? Pledging and consecrating thier lives to mary? Carrying mary's grotto upandan and rarely preaching the gospel according to Christ? Reciting 1000 hail mary's and novena all centered on mary whom Jesus always referred to as 'woman'? Is that one christianity?

Abeg what is the difference between catholicism today and idolatory? Abeg park well. I'd rather be an atheist or go to Guru Maharaji, at least I'd know exactly what I'm doing.

@least is good to honour (HONOUR NT WORSHIP)someone who have attain some certain level of purity by d virtue of being d mother of our savior. Than honouring a mere pastor cum conman who advices his picture nd other items as a mode of protection for his members while he uses body guard.as for preaching,i think u have nt been to catholic bfor,because I think catholic nd maybe deeper life is the only church who doesn't preach about success nd miracle but rather than salvation.because with salvation they believe,other good things will fall into place(i stand to be corrected)all other church wants to preach what u want to hear,hw a lazy man who wouldn't work will get a miraculous phone call that he have won 10. Million naira because of the seed he will sow.in catholic,no one notice u.even if u give 10 million every day,jst give 10k in other church's every week nd stop going to church,u go see hw members. Nd other pastors go full ur house jst to knw if their customer have been snatched by other church.have u heard of charism in catholic?catholic bible society?etc,those groups re there to futher enhance ur life from where the priest stopped.hail Mary full of grace is biblical,even d angel said it nt to talk of u.catholic is maintaining d ancient way of worship.

Sarang:


You can delete it now

Thank you. I have

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kizyalex10:
@least is good to honour (HONOUR NT WORSHIP)someone who have attain some certain level of purity by d virtue of being d mother of our savior. Than honouring a mere pastor cum conman who advices his picture nd other items as a mode of protection for his members while he uses body guard.as for preaching,i think u have nt been to catholic bfor,because I think catholic nd maybe deeper life is the only church who doesn't preach about success nd miracle but rather than salvation.because with salvation they believe,other good things will fall into place(i stand to be corrected)all other church wants to preach what u want to hear,hw a lazy man who wouldn't work will get a miraculous phone call that he have won 10. Million naira because of the seed he will sow.in catholic,no one notice u.even if u give 10 million every day,jst give 10k in other church's every week nd stop going to church,u go see hw members. Nd other pastors go full ur house jst to knw if their customer have been snatched by other church.have u heard of charism in catholic?catholic bible society?etc,those groups re there to futher enhance ur life from where the priest stopped.hail Mary full of grace is biblical,even d angel said it nt to talk of u.catholic is maintaining d ancient way of worship.

Bros there's no salvation in idolatory. What you practice today is pure idolatory. I was a catholic many moons back so I know the drill. St Augustine pray for us, st. Anthony of padua pray for us! Why not call st sango and st amadioha join? I'm busy at work now, otherwise I would have taken some time to show you why your worship is idol worship.

zabuur:
Enough said. I am a Muslim but, plz I wanna ask few questions

1. "How should one worship as a Christian? I believe there should be a unique and acceptable way one should worship. Maybe written in the Bible or taught by one of God's apostles."

2. "Is the Bible hard to understand that one needs another man to describe what's in it?"

3. "Who deserves more respect, parents or religious leaders? Even if our parents aren't against us worshipping God. Even if they have led us in the right path?"

1. God is Spirit and those who must worship him must worship him in truth and spirit... It's actually written in the Bible. Infact there are a lot of texts on it... But Christians choose what they want... Hence religion becomes the opium.

2. Actually the Bible is clear on so many subjects, but like I said Humans want it good but still want to be bad... Christ said, "You can't serve two masters at a time, one must be respected above the other" he also said, If you love me keep my commandments... All there in the Bible... - Opium... Always the Opium!

3. God and God alone deserves all that respect we shower on these "Holy men" He said, "Do not have any other gods before me". Understanding this, No one should tell you something that contradicts the Word as written and you believe.

Leave the false Prophets, There is a punishment for them, you live your life according to his words and reap your reward at the end. Remember that salvation is Individually worked not generationally or Hereditary.

Stay blessed!

Tosinex:
hahahahahahahahahaha no mind them. There are levels you grow in the spirit and you will do away with that, they are for kids but there pastors keep doing it well maybe they are still kids lolz. Women fry their hair to look attractive to men, well it's understandable, guyman does it to look dope, and church men fry their hair to look attractive to who, Angels? Madness.

...real madness..i tell u..total one..

I attended Christ Embassy CC 2 port Harcourt last sunday and have not recovered.. The Pastor said that ministry comes before marriage because some pastors were posted away from their wife ..I can't imaging his ideology! This is madness!

Meanwhile someone is in here defending Masturbation... SMH what Christianity has turned into...

Oh well, simply put, sex was made for the married ones. One man and a woman that is. The Natural way as stated through out the Bible being penetration which the Bible puts as "Carnal Knowledge".

It's baseless logic like this (Defending Masturbation with the Bible when it clearly speaks against all forms of sexual immorality) that makes Christianity the joke some Pastors have turned it into today... Just to please Man and the vast majority.

PS. Christ is not about the Majority read your Bible and you'll find out.

Fawklicant:
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Bros there's no salvation in idolatory. What you practice today is pure idolatory. I was a catholic many moons back so I know the drill. St Augustine pray for us, st. Anthony of padua pray for us! Why not call st sango and st amadioha join? I'm busy at work now, otherwise I would have taken some time to show you why your worship is idol worship.

Lol. But the same pentecostal you attend have their pastors distribute wrist bands, calendars, pictures etc to members and they in turn hold those items as sacred and also gullibly believe they can duly protect them. Bro, let's not deceive ourselves, NO ONE KNOWS IT ALL.

Maestro21:


Personally, I think this reasoning is flawed. If someone dislikes you due to a misinformation they have, you might want to disabuse that misinformation without being defensive. I think he is doing exactly that.

Someone said his Pastor encourages sin or what not and you want him to keep mum because you (who clearly has reservations about his pastor) said nothing?

I think the Bible encourages one to contend for the faith that they profess.

You think? Ok. Let him continue to respond to everyone

Stlawr:
I attended Christ Embassy CC 2 port Harcourt last sunday and have not recovered.. The Pastor said that ministry comes before marriage because some pastors was posted away from their wife ..I can't imaging his ideology! Christianity is turning to madness!

Okay this one has a twist to it... Look at the story of Hosea who married a Harlot but had to preach, God used his experience with the Harlot to minister to the people of Israel.

Paul was never married, he said it will hinder his ministry.

So many Bible characters put their Marriages UNDER the mission at hand rather than above it...

But when you read Bible quotes like "Train up a child in the way he should go and when he is old he will not depart from it", "Husbands love your wives as you would love yourself as she is your body as you are hers" and you also look at the characters of these Bible figures it also suggests that they took great caution raising proper homes while being ministers.


My Submissions are:
1. The family should never be neglected in the name of mission as God won't forgive you for the ruin of your children due to neglect... See Eli and his Sons.

2. For a minister to excel, his home must be an example or model for others. Charity begins at home.

3. Most ministers use the line Ministry before family for dubious reasons But the Bible never suggested that at all...

God help us!

zionmade:

Sometime i was on a thread on masturbation calling on christians to come and tell me why "MASTURBATION ON ITS OWN" is a sin and no one could defend it. or are u ready to do that?
As for ur condom sorry, i feel sorry for u if u re not a live witness of wat u re saying. Some one asked me why christians suffer more dan unbelieverz, my answer was simple, its easy ti break the edge with ur mouth and surely d serpent who is ur sworn enemy will bite

masturbation is a sin on it own.

slimghost:


I am done with you. only a stark mad man justifies nudity in church. Have fun with your yahoo yahoo church.

..omo, u badt abeg...u just vex para given his vague points..

itsmeurLady:


So wat church do u attend now?

That is nice, follow up is in order.

ImaIma1:


You think? Ok. Let him continue to respond to everyone

If you have the correct information but choose to dislike what he believes in, he may choose to ignore you. But if your information is wrong and may be the reason for your dislike of what he believes in, he is not in the wrong to show you what is right (whether or not your dislike for what he believes in changes).

calculator123:

masturbation is a sin on it own.

Whatsoever is not of faith is sin. Rom 14:23.

Now examine yourself; is your statement above of faith? If not, then you are sinning.

bentuzene:



My Submissions are:
1. The family should never be neglected in the name of mission as God won't forgive you for the ruin of your children due to neglect... See Eli and his Sons.

2. For a minister to excel, his home must be an example or model for others. Charity begins at home.

3. Most ministers use the line Ministry before family for dubious reasons But the Bible never suggested that at all...

God help us!

1. If a minister does not neglect his family, but they neglect him in return, what should he do?

2. What determines that a minister's home is excelling?

3. Did Jesus say anyone who does not fight with mother, father siblings, wife, husband for him is unworthy of him?

Maestro21:


Whatsoever is not of faith is sin. Rom 14:23.

Now examine yourself; is your statement above of faith? If not, then you are sinning.

..How does faith gat to do with this....Tell me masturbation is not a sin?

Maestro21:


If you have the correct information but choose to dislike what he believes in, he may choose to ignore you. But if your information is wrong and may be the reason for your dislike of what he believes in, he is not in the wrong to show you what is right (whether or not your dislike for what he believes in changes).

Are you taking over from him?

Fawklicant:
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Bros there's no salvation in idolatory. What you practice today is pure idolatory. I was a catholic many moons back so I know the drill. St Augustine pray for us, st. Anthony of padua pray for us! Why not call st sango and st amadioha join? I'm busy at work now, otherwise I would have taken some time to show you why your worship is idol worship.

well even me,i have no time to argue.everybody is entitled to his or her belief.so. Keep it up,d church is ur heart nt d building

ImaIma1:


Are you taking over from him?

Not at all.

kizyalex10:
well even me,i have no time to argue.everybody is entitled to his or her belief.so. Keep it up,d church is ur heart nt d building

Interesting. The moment your own church is robed in it becomes "everybody is entitled to his or her belief".

If you knew this since, why then did you come to this thread to post?

calculator123:
..How does faith gat to do with this....Tell me masturbation is not a sin?

I am showing you how anyone can miscue anything and call it a sin even if God did not expressly state so.

Is masturbation a sin to me? ON IT'S OWN, it is not. That is my answer.

i still believe that Pastor Chris was indeed called by God. I hae benefitted greatly. where he missed it up or mistook it(he he has) i dont know. I love the man. I pray for him. and i pray to God to help him walk his ministry through without these controversies. Is grae for one who has so muh as becks not derail. Abeg i am keen to know about the issues they separated

Marchman:
2. Sin Means Nothing at CE
Their teaching regarding to sin is so liberal. They rarely even mention it. The belief is that a Christian cannot sin, but only do wrong. The implicit message here is that ‘if you are saved, you are always saved’. You are a son of God and nothing you do or do not do can change the fact. In other words, heaven is sure. I am really not versed in the Bible to argue with this but what I know is that, this teaching is dangerous. It is like giving one a blank cheque or immunity from sin. What you have is a morally decadent church, starting from the top. Sexual sins are so rampant. You must have read the allegations of Pst Anita against her husband, that he was screwing some top female pastors. Such allegations are common in the church and I believe Pst Anita was very naïve in not understanding what was happening under her nose for decades!

It is not just PSt Chris that has been accused of fornication; his younger brother Rev Ken was also accused of impregnating a member of the South African Church when he pastored it. My friend who was in the church at that time (he also has left) told me that in all practical terms, Rev Ken had a harem in SA, with all manners of girls, mainly young university girls, living in his house. His wife was leading the church at Isolo, Lagos at that time. Apart of the Oyakhilome brothers, sin (or wrong-doing since a Christian cannot sin, according to their belief) is very common among the pastors and laity. Including me. I did a lot of things I’m not proud of as a leader, including fornication. But what struck me is that I was going numb, conscienceless in the church. No message speaks to my struggles to stay upright and not to sin. They do not even talk about such things. The focus of the messages is often on how to be successful, perhaps so you can give more money!

In summary, at CE, sin means nothing!