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easymancfc:
Scripture, private and public revelation..

felixomor:
Scripture tells you the location of "saints"
Wow?
Marvellous.

I prefer you would have just stuck to the "revelationaspect" . Instead of trying to squeeze scripture as excuse into it by force.

felixomor:
So when you can pray to the God the Father,
Instead you use that time to call on other spirits to interceed for you to the father?

Sounds like intercomm.

By the way:

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

The scripture tells us the only acceptable "intercomm"

If only you can explain that scripture.

easymancfc:
Amen.. Jesus is the way.. to be saved, because he alone died to forgive our sins, He is the truth, because he is God's word made flesh and God doesn't lie, and he is the life because it is in him that we have eternal life..
BUT ALL OF THESE DOESNT MEAN WE CANT ASK MEMBERS OF HIS BODY WITH HIM IN HEAVEN TO PRAY TO HIM FOR US... JUST LIKE WE ASK MEMBERS OF THAT SAME BODY ON EARTH TO PRAY FOR US..

easymancfc:
Scripture does,

We know from scripture that moses and elijah are in heaven, we know from scripture that the apostles save judas would be in heaven. we know from scripture that paul would be in heaven etc....

easymancfc:
We dont reject intercession of the Spirit dear friend, we accept it whole heartedly, we just ask fellow Christians in heaven to pray for us..
P.S. on saint christopher, can you prove he never existed??

felixomor:
Unfortunately we dont see these "members on earth" being asked in while in prayer.
It seems to only be the "sacred ones in heaven" you mention their names frequently.

By the way how do you know the "members in heaven"?
Have you seen their judgement?

DoctorAlien:
Exposing the forgeries and dubious inventions of the Catholic church is a story for another day.

You can go and educate yourself on how your church baptized all the pagan gods and goddesses of Rome, giving then "Christian names", including the pagan god Bacchus("st. Christopher".

felixomor:
"Paul would be in heaven"

Even to a kindergarten, that statement is not a certain statement.

easymancfc:
lexis and structure... Paul himself says 2 tim 4: 7 I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. 8 Henceforth there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, will award to me on that Day.

Simple deductive reasoning

blueAgent:
Catholics to praying to dead saints is it biblical.
One of the customs of Catholics is to pray to dead Saints to intercede on their behalf in Heaven.This doctrine is based on the belief that dead Saints are alive and already in Heaven this erroneous belief is one of the biggest decits of Satan.We will take a look at this issue with the Bible as our guide.

First what is the State of the dead? are they living or do they ascend into Heaven immediately after death.

Considering the State of the dead,saints including Mary,Paul,Joseph,e.t.c while do Catholics still pray to them. It is apparent that they are praying to Idols and Demons in the name of praying to Saints.Mary,Paul,Peter,James,John,Stephen e.t.c  are all sleeping in their graves they neither eat,work, Think, or hear nor intercede in prayers on behalf of others.
This  evil doctrine has been sold to the public especially Catholics who believe that dead people go straight to Hell or Heaven immediately after death.
People go to Heaven or Hell on the Judgement day or day of resurrection not before then. Daniel12:2,John5:28-29 & 1cor15:12-14,1cor16-19.
John  5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,  5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
This bible verses confirm that the dead and Saints are not in Heaven but are waiting for the resurrection for if they were already in Heaven  the bible will not be talking about a resurrection of the Saints or the dead.what will they be resurrecting from since they are already in Heaven?
To Catholics pls deciet from praying to dead Saints they cannot hear you or intercede on your behalf.Only one name has been given to us by which man can be saved and that is the name of Jesus  Acts  4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Only Jesus not any dead saint or Mary or Paul or Pope.
We are expected to pray to God only through the name of Jesus not through any dead Saints John14:13
no other person can.mediate between man and God, not Mary,Paul or angels but only Jesus Christ is our mediator 1Timothy  2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Christ and the Holy Spirit  which is the spirit of Christ can intercede on our behalf Romans 8:34,
Romans  8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.  8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

Thank You.

MuttleyLaff,
Splinz, Openmine

Ubenedictus:
you are about to send the thread to the gutter, I can also start naming those Catholics that protestants killed.


Tyndale wasn't killed by the church but by the country known as England , he was convicted of disseminating an incorrect translation of the Bible, get ur facts right.

You bloody liar. Who is not aware of how violently murderous your mother cult is. Go and tell this lie to your fellow pagans.

felixomor:
You are the one who should apply reasoning.
So heaven or hell is determined by what you say
Or by God's judgement?

U are funny.

easymancfc:
Old testament sir,
in the new testament we hear of a lot of consciousness from so called "dead people"...

Hebrews 12:1, cloud of witnesses
HOW CAN THE DEAD WITNESS?

heb 12:21-24 we have come to the spirits of just men made perfect, Gods first born in the heavenly Jerusalem..
THIS TALKS ABOUT PEOPLE WE HAVE IN HEAVENLY PLACES CURRENTLY.. how can if they "know nothing" .

1 peter 3:19 he preached to the souls in prison when he descended..

HOW CAN THE DEAD HEAR IF THEY HAVE NO CONSCIOUSNESS

Ephe 4: 8-9 says he ascended and led a host of captives,
HOW CAN HE LEAD PEOPLE SLEEPING IN THEIR GRAVES...

luke 16.. the rich man and lazarus were not sleeping after death

mat 17 in the transfiguration Moses who died is seen with Jesus, when he is supposed to KNOW NOTHING AND BE SLEEPING IN WAITING FOR THE RESURECTION

An2elect2:
You bloody liar. Who is not aware of how violently murderous your mother cult is. Go and tell this lie to your fellow pagans.

blueAgent:
This are misinterpreted bible verses. they don't in any way support the idea that the dead are conscious. google this bible verses abd see the explanation i would send them to you when i have the chance.

An2elect2:
You bloody liar. Who is not aware of how violently murderous your mother cult is. Go and tell this lie to your fellow pagans.

blueAgent:
Catholics to praying to dead saints is it biblical.
One of the customs of Catholics is to pray to dead Saints to intercede on their behalf in Heaven.This doctrine is based on the belief that dead Saints are alive and already in Heaven this erroneous belief is one of the biggest decits of Satan.We will take a look at this issue with the Bible as our guide.
First what is the State of the dead? are they living or do they ascend into Heaven immediately after death.
Psalms 146:3 Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help. 146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.
Ecclesiastes9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. 9:6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
This Bible verses clearly show that the dead including the Saints are not in a state of consciousness but rather their thoughts,love,passions are all perished.
Death is likened to sleep,a man who is at sleep is not in control of his thoughts,actions or environment, same with death. Job 14:12 So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep. 14:14 If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come. John 11:11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep. 11:12 Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well. 11:13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.
So if the Saints are not in Heaven where can they be? The Saints are not in Heaven as we can see from those Bible verses they are all asleep in their graves or earth(dust).we will look at more bible verses to confirm this.
1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
Daniel 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
This Bible verses confirm  that the dead sleep in the dust not in Heaven.
John  5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Even David the man after God's heart,a man who Jesus Christ  was named after 'Thou son of David'  did not ascend into Heaven after his death.
I don't think there is anyone more qualified to be called a Saint than David.but still David did not ascend to Heaven at his death he is still lying in his grave waiting for the resurrection. Acts2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
Acts 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
Even David knew he was not to go to Heaven immedately after his death so he wrote in Psalms  17:15 As for me, I will behold thy face in righteousness: I shall be satisfied, when I AWAKE, with thy likeness.

Considering the State of the dead,saints including Mary,Paul,Joseph,e.t.c while do Catholics still pray to them. It is apparent that they are praying to Idols and Demons in the name of praying to Saints.Mary,Paul,Peter,James,John,Stephen e.t.c  are all sleeping in their graves they neither eat,work, Think, or hear nor intercede in prayers on behalf of others.
This  evil doctrine has been sold to the public especially Catholics who believe that dead people go straight to Hell or Heaven immediately after death.
People go to Heaven or Hell on the Judgement day or day of resurrection not before then. Daniel12:2,John5:28-29 & 1cor15:12-14,1cor16-19.
John  5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,  5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
This bible verses confirm that the dead and Saints are not in Heaven but are waiting for the resurrection for if they were already in Heaven  the bible will not be talking about a resurrection of the Saints or the dead.what will they be resurrecting from since they are already in Heaven?
To Catholics pls deciet from praying to dead Saints they cannot hear you or intercede on your behalf.Only one name has been given to us by which man can be saved and that is the name of Jesus  Acts  4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Only Jesus not any dead saint or Mary or Paul or Pope.
We are expected to pray to God only through the name of Jesus not through any dead Saints John14:13 no other person can.mediate between man and God ,not Mary,Paul or angels but only Jesus Christ is our mediator 1Timothy  2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Christ and the Holy Spirit  which is the spirit of Christ can intercede on our behalf Romans 8:34,
Romans  8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.  8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

Thank You.

MuttleyLaff,
Splinz, Openmine

blueAgent:
Where is it written in the Bible?

CanadianNurse:
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he sent his only begotten son that whoever believes in him SHALL NOT DIE/PERISH BUT LIVE EVERLASTING LIFE...
from the bolded there is nothing like a dead saint as long as he believed in God he is alive in Christ

Please be guided and don't read the Bible one sidedly, there is nothing like a dead saint!

If your pastor alive in sinful flesh can pray for you why can't someone alive in Christ beyond and beyond sin pray for me

CanadianNurse:
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he sent his only begotten son that whoever believes in him SHALL NOT DIE/PERISH BUT LIVE EVERLASTING LIFE...
from the bolded there is nothing like a dead saint as long as he believed in God he is alive in Christ

Please be guided and don't read the Bible one sidedly, there is nothing like a dead saint!

If your pastor alive in sinful flesh can pray for you why can't someone alive in Christ beyond and beyond sin pray for me

easymancfc:
misinterpreted? by whose authority? those passages have been interpreted that way for 2000 years, and i have the testimony of the early Christians to prove it, and i can provide them,

P.S. the anti catholic sites i presented uses some of the passages against your SOUL SLEEP HERESY, CHECK THEM OUT

easymancfc:
cc doctoralien..
here's what other christians think of your soul sleep doctrine

http://www.letusreason.org/doct15.htm

this is a long read but it addresses all of the scriptures and arguments provided by the o.p. and more..

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/christiancrier/2014/12/30/is-soul-sleep-biblical-what-does-the-bible-say/

here's a favourite of many anti catholic nairalanders
https://www.gotquestions.org/soul-sleep.html?_e_pi_=7%2CPAGE_ID10%2C4322479395
http://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/what-is-the-doctrine-of-soul-sleep-is-it-biblical/

https://carm.org/soul-sleep?_e_pi_=7%2CPAGE_ID10%2C8399780948
i can go on and on..

easymancfc:
You don't see because you don't want to see, we ask those in heaven because their payers will be more efficacious because the hindrance of sin does not affect their petitions because they are already with God..

we haven't seen their judgement, but through divine revelation it can be made known.. scripture too..

blueAgent:
Can you give me an example in the Bible where people prayed to the dead to intercede for them or bible verses that supports us praying to the dead.

blueAgent:
I have gone through those site. they are all garbage same rubbish doctrine from the pit of Hell.

blueAgent:
I have gone through those site. they are all garbage same rubbish doctrine from the pit of Hell.

blueAgent:
Can you give me an example in the Bible where people prayed to the dead to intercede for them or bible verses that supports us praying to the dead.

luvmijeje:
Something is going on in that Church. I'll advise believers to focus their attention on what's coming out of that church. Something big is about to happen and it will emanate from there.

He who has ears, let him hear.

An2elect2:
Isn't the "mother church" awesome?