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Ignorance is not only deadly ,it has the potential to wreck a generation. Particularly spiritual ignorance.The cure for spiritual ignorance is the accurate knowledge of the word of God .It is plain this guy that claimed to "leave " Christ Embassy was not part of that blessed fold of Christ. For your to carry your device to write about things you have no aoita of spiritual knowledge about is spiritual error and foolishness combined.You have itchy hands. Truth and knowledge should guide you. Guy ask God for forgiveness.

zionmade:
Also I will listen to u the day Pst Chris remarries. or didn't u see that one in the verse u referred me to. Wat hypocrites know how to do best is to cut a scripture reference into two and select the one that suites dem

noise maker is he divorced or not?

jared007:
https://www.nairaland.com/3895448/why-left-christ-embassy-church

And a man's foes shall be they of his own household (Matt 10: 36)

As a believer in Christ I was tempted to ignore Marchman but I had to write this reply to encourage Christ Embassy members especially the 'children' in particular and true Christians of different denominations in general.

Now concerning Marchman, going through his previous threads on Nairaland and the titled thread on why he left Christ Embassy i concluded he was never a true member of Christ Embassy or a christian but a Wolf among the Sheep. No true Christian goes to the media to write lies against his biological family, local church or other churches no matter how offended he is. This is why Muslims are more United than Christians.

Now to counter some points he made which I quoted in bold. For example he typed "They tend to believe literally that everything answers to money

It is written in Ecclesiastes 10:19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.
Yes money answers everything. You need to read publications and messages on seed faith. Am not ignorant of the fact that some of our leaders might be over zealous in trying to hit a target by tasking someone to give but never have i been forced by my leaders against my will to give.
Christ Embassy projects are of high quality and numerous in reaching the unsaved and inspiring right living and they aren't cheap. I believe Donnie and Joagbaje can assist with images of our numerous programmes and projects.

"You are also charged to give for Pastor Chris birthday

The trash you wrote up there could only be written by a selfish man because according to the following verse of scriptures:
Gal 6: 6-10 Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things. Be not deceived; God is not mocked : for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not. As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.

The only time we are opportune to sow into Pastor Chris anointing is during his birthday which is just once in a year. Marchman pls tell me how else we can honour or communicate to our pastor?

"The church is obsessed with money. They do not mind how or where you get it"

Yea we are obsessed with money because of numerous projects that must be done before Jesus returns to rapture us. Why shouldn't we use money to serve God well now when it will be useless when we leave this earth? CE is interested in the job you do and ur financial abilities so your belief that we don't mind how we raise the money exist in your own imagination. I can't remember Jesus asking those Jews who were giving in the Temple where they got their money from. He didn't ask the widow too who gave her mites. Marchman u need to be cured of ur poverty mentality.

"Sin means nothing at Christ Embassy"

I don't know where you got this belief from because CE always frowns at any member that sins including an open rebuke. Some of our members that were caught in the act of fornication were excommuincated from the rest of the brethren and were told to sit at the back of the the church for each service till restitution. I ve witnessed this more then once. Scriptural readings from 1cor 5: 9-13 are read to the erring members.

Pastor Chris talks about sin, righteousness, heaven and hell but you don't know because you thought it's only Sunday services Pastor preaches to us. Pastor preaches to us everyday through Rhapsody of realities, tapes, cds, vcds, dvds, mp3 and software platforms.
When you lay much emphasis telling people not to sin that's when they will sin the more because it's the nature of man to sin when you tell him not to. Rom 7:15-20.

Saying Pastor Chris was accussed of fornication without any proof or evidence I won't bother to reply you on that.

"Pastor Chris is the orthodoxy"

According to 1st Cor 11:1 it says Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
So what's wrong if we always make reference to him and follow him?

You said "No one can challenge Pastor Chris." How can you challenge him? Where you the one that called him? He answers to the one that called him and only God shall reward or judge him not you.

You also said "He tries to change verse of scriptures by rewriting them?

You are filled with hatred because Pastor only lays emphasis on the original bible manuscripts which was written in Hebrew and Greek. How many study bibles have you read in your life? How many times have you even read your king James from back to back? Let your heart judge you.

As for your other rambling that I haven't countered I leave them for other Christ Embassy members to take care of.

Cc Joagbaje, Donnie, Gombs, Zionmade pls ur input is needed to encourage those children in Christ that might have gotten discouraged in serving God because of Marchman.

So from what I gather of your write up, MarchMan is right on his analysis of the church but you're just defending the actions of the church as being right

First of all, no pastor is God.... Same way no member died for Pastor Chris's sins, he didn't die for theirs.... So they have every right to challenge him as he isn't their Lord and Savior....

All points you raised are highly flawed, and if you look at it from an outsiders eyes you will realize why he left your church but like the Holy Book says "To your tent o Israel"

siakhris:
noise maker is he divorced or not?

Dummy
Has he remarried or not?

tegak10:
Thats the issue. Why did he drive away the crowd. There could have been unbelivers trying to repent but would be driven away by the gate fee. No matter the intentions it is just wrong.

He did not drive the crowd away. There were many other viewing centers around that one and people were told to go there free of charge. Those people would have still gone there and given their hearts to Christ.

zionmade:
Dummy
Has he remarried or not?

...i see frustration setting in. Kpele o! You mandate people to answer your question and you can't reciprocate d gesture? Shame. How am i supposed to listen to a man who you say speaks against divorce but is divorced? What has he to offer?

I gree for the money own sha. Cos i have been there and as i no meet up. I find my square root.

But what is it with compulsory speaking in tongues. Na that one dey baffle me

zionmade:
Dummy
Has he remarried or not?

....I see frustration setting in. So lemme get this straight yh? I'm mandated to answer your question but u don't get to answer mine? Shame though. I leave u with this (u don't have to reply but feel free to exhibit ur rage further.) How am I supposed to listen to a man who u say speaks against divorce, but is divorced? What has he got to offer? Really?

siakhris:
...i see frustration setting in. Kpele o! You mandate people to answer your question and you can't reciprocate d gesture? Shame. How am i supposed to listen to a man who you say speaks against divorce but is divorced? What has he to offer?

U re the frustrated person here, I have been answering everybody so addressing ur hypocrisy is nothing. U quoted the Bible and cannot even stand and tell me how Pst Chris sinned by divorcing or are u suddenly running away from it. If he has nothing to offer to u den stick to the person dat has something to offer and stop poking ur nose where it doesn't belong.
moreover over 5 million people listen to him, so ur not listening has no effect

double disgrace..

After reading the long analysis written by that supposed brother-in-Christ, I couldn't say anymore because he just displayed his 'Judas Iscariot' nature of biting the finger that has fed him all along.

Anyway!
My hunger to know the deep Truths of the Supposed Mistery of/about GOD, but now made known and manifested to me by the Holy Spirit by my very esteemed Rev. (Dr.) Chris Oyakhilome DSc. DD. PhD, made me love and follow him from the word 'go'.
Since I did I have not known any regret(s). When people criticize him I just laugh at their myopic knowledge about the kingdom of GOD because I am my father's True son and cannot join others to criticize him; which will mean that I don't truely know who my father is.

I ask.
Where was he when GOD called Rev. (Dr) Chris Oyakhilome, spoke to him and gave him the divine madate to reach the world with His gospel; His saving grace for mankind? How old was he?

zionmade:
we have been hearing that since the 1990s and the church is still growing and breaking grounds. the day Pst Chris visits ur city for a crusade u entire city will be on a 24hr knockdown because of great crowd hungry to hear him. So keep hating and deceiving urself, the contrary wind drives our roots deeper

Wide is the gate that leads to damnation. Narrow the way to salvation.

another fanatic qoating bible to defend d church. what a pity!

jared007:

They tend to believe literally that everything answers to money

It is written in Ecclesiastes 10:19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.
Yes money answers everything.

This is one verse that is not to be taken literally, its not different from when Jesus asked us to take out our eyes if they cause us to Sin!(Matt 5:29). Going by your assertion, I will take it that you are still a young person who haven’t seen much of life. MONEY DOES NOT ANSWER ALL THINGS Money cannot makeup for time lost or certain destroyed relationship.

Steve Jobs, President Yardua , our current President whose status is unknown etc had/has all the money in the world but did it answer their situation? Guess you will say that they didn’t know how to put the money to work


Act 8:18
Now when Simon saw that the Spirit was given through the laying on of the apostles' hands, he offered them money

Act 8:19
and said, "Give me this power too, so that when I lay my hands on someone he will receive the Holy Spirit."

Act 8:20
But Peter said to him, May your money perish with you because you thought you could obtain God's free gift with money


This Guy had money and he offered it but got rejected, so my dear when instructions are given in scriptures there are always exceptions and conditions to be fulfilled before it can produce results

You are also charged to give for Pastor Chris birthday

The trash you wrote up there could only be written by a selfish man because according to the following verse of scriptures:
Gal 6: 6-10
Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things. Be not deceived; God is not mocked : for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

I can add more scriptures to buttress the above point but the issue is how they go about it

1Co 9:13
Know ye not that they that minister about sacred things eat of the things of the temple, and they that wait upon the altar have their portion with the altar?

1Co 9:14
Even so did the Lord ordain that they that proclaim the gospel should live of the gospel.

1Ti 5:18
For the Scripture says, "You must not muzzle an ox while it is treading out grain," and "A worker deserves his pay."

The only time we are opportune to sow into Pastor Chris anointing is during his birthday which is just once in a year. Marchman pls tell me how else we can honour or communicate to our pastor

please this isnt the only time you can give him something. if money is put into any envelope addressed to Pst Chris, the pastor of that congregation is obligated to send it up to his reporting line, and it will get to him

The church is obsessed with money. They do not mind how or where you get it

Herein lies the crux of the matter, the mentality and mindset of the teaching about money
The Bible is replete with admonitions/instructions to give and also the benefits of giving, it also shows the attitude we should have about giving.
when the principles for giving are violated, all forms of abuse and abnormalities will be birthed. This is the reason for all the stories of abuse in our churches. The summary for the Christian giving is embedded in

2Co 9:7
Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

2Co 9:7
[Let] each one [give] just as he decides in his heart, not from sorrow [fig., reluctantly] or from necessity [fig., under compulsion], for God loves a cheerful giver.


But all we hear is “God loves a cheerful giver”. No one talks about the first part of let it be according to what you want to give or what you have planned to give.

In scriptures, Giving was primarily done for the saints but today, you folks have misconstrued it for projects and what have you


Act 4:34
For[b] neither was anyone needy among them[/b], for as many as were owners of lands or houses, selling them, they bore the value of the things being sold,

Act 4:35
and laid them at the feet of the apostles. And it was distributed to each according as any had need.


1Co 16:1
Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I gave order to the churches of Galatia, so also do ye.

1Co 16:2
Upon the first day of the week let each one of you lay by him in store, as he may prosper, that no collections be made when I come.


Rom 12:13
Distributing to the necessity of saints; given to hospitality.


In bible days, men sold their properties so that other believers can have, what we have today is giving towards "Mega church building", lavish lifestyle of the pastorate, expansion of the various churches etc

Anyone who says folks are not being forced to give in CE or that they care about the source of funds hasn’t woken up to the truth because they are so sunk into the whole thing that they don’t realize how lost they have become

In colloquial communication it is said that “Yansh nor dey hear e own smell”

Pastor Chris is the orthodoxy

According to 1st Cor 11:1 it says Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
So what's wrong if we always make reference to him and follow him?

You said "No one can challenge Pastor Chris."

How can you challenge him?

Where you the one that called him?

Mat 16:21
From that time, Jesus began to show to His disciples that it was necessary for Him to go away to Jerusalem, and to suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and to be killed, and to be raised on the third day.
Mat 16:22
And having taken Him near, Peter began to rebuke Him, saying, God be gracious to You, Lord; this shall never be to You.


Almighty Jesus was rebuked by Peter, one of his disciple but your Pastor Chris cannot be rebuked

You nor see say you don dey go?


Did peter call Jesus?

How come peter could rebuke Jesus?

You might want to argue that it was satan that spoke through him because of the next verse but that very act of Peter taking Jesus aside shows the kind of relationship they had, it shows Jesus leadership style. It wasn’t that of a Boss or dictator. They could have unbelief, they could have doubts, they could have questions and Jesus never killed them for having either of these human attributes


Gal 2:11
But[b]when Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he was clearly wrong[/b].

Gal 2:12
For until some men came from James, he was in the habit of eating with the gentiles, but after they came he drew back and would not associate himself with them, being afraid of the circumcision party.

Gal 2:13
The other Jews also joined him in this hypocrisy, to the extent that even Barnabas was caught up in their hypocrisy.

Gal 2:14
But[b]when I saw that they were not acting consistently with the truth of the gospel, I told Cephas in front of everyone[/b] "Though you are a Jew, you live like a gentile and not like a Jew. So how can you insist that the gentiles must live like Jews?"

How come Paul rebuked Cephas/Peter according to other translation?

Was he the one that called them?

A pastor is first a Christian before being a Pastor and its dangerous when a christain gets to the level where he cannot be corrected or rebuked.


CC
Joagbaje
Donnie
Gombs
Zionmade
Marchman

I used to think the wars on nairaland were tribal alone. Now I know better.

Just look at the language "christians" are using in their attacks and defense of a man...... a man!

Is this really the best we can do?
Is this the way to shine the light?
Is this what Jesus would have done? Remember he stood up to the "popular" Pharisees.
Is this the example Paul left for us? He called Peter out when he saw his wrongdoing (something we would call racism today).

Are we following the footsteps of Jesus here?

Before you quote me, I'm talking to Christians here, not atheists or muslims. I'm talking to my brethren on both sides of this argument.

Remember, every man's ways are right in his own eyes, but God weighs the motives.

Tinyemeka:
Wide is the gate that leads to damnation. Narrow the way to salvation.

and if Jesus was to come to Nigeria today as a human won't the whole country be on lock down?

Pure Garbage! You just Buttressed his Point! You are not here Defending CHRIST, but Christ Embassy and Pastor Chris. But then people like you don't know who JESUS CHRIST is as long as you have your god Pastor Chris. Look at the Energy you spend defending a Man, spend that energy on JESUS CHRIST and I will listen to you. And who told you he cant Challenge Pastor Christ? Paul who didn't live and eat with CHRIST, challenged Peter who Christ actually handed over his church. See if I have the Power, I will Close down many of these Churches and Build Industries in it's place. Then I will Build some Churches around without people making it their Private Properties to do it as they Please. By the way Nigeria is not suffering from lack of Churches, rather it is suffer from lack of Factories, Jobs and employment. You can worship your mini god Pastor Chris for all we care but please don't come here to spew Rubbish. And here is a

Test to Proof to yourself that you actually a True Christian. Go to Reedeem and Worship for a Week, Go to Kumuyi and Worship for another week, Go to Daystar and Worship for another week, Go to Anglican church and Worship for another week. And spend two months going to other Churches to worship because as long as they are Reading and Preaching from the same BIBLE then you or any other Christians should be Free to worship. A Church is a "Gathering of believers in Christ" and not a Building led by one Pastor we love. As long as the Gospel of Christ is preached with, using the Bible. So concentrate on Christ and forget defending all these men. They have enough money and people defending them. If today's Christians spend the time and energy on JESUS CHRIST that they are spending on their Pastors we will have true Christians that actually knows their left from right. Greetings from Europe and Have a happy Sunday.

jared007:
https://www.nairaland.com/3895448/why-left-christ-embassy-church

And a man's foes shall be they of his own household (Matt 10: 36)

As a believer in Christ I was tempted to ignore Marchman but I had to write this reply to encourage Christ Embassy members especially the 'children' in particular and true Christians of different denominations in general.

Now concerning Marchman, going through his previous threads on Nairaland and the titled thread on why he left Christ Embassy i concluded he was never a true member of Christ Embassy or a christian but a Wolf among the Sheep. No true Christian goes to the media to write lies against his biological family, local church or other churches no matter how offended he is. This is why Muslims are more United than Christians.

Now to counter some points he made which I quoted in bold. For example he typed "They tend to believe literally that everything answers to money

It is written in Ecclesiastes 10:19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.
Yes money answers everything. You need to read publications and messages on seed faith. Am not ignorant of the fact that some of our leaders might be over zealous in trying to hit a target by tasking someone to give but never have i been forced by my leaders against my will to give.
Christ Embassy projects are of high quality and numerous in reaching the unsaved and inspiring right living and they aren't cheap. I believe Donnie and Joagbaje can assist with images of our numerous programmes and projects.

"You are also charged to give for Pastor Chris birthday

The trash you wrote up there could only be written by a selfish man because according to the following verse of scriptures:
Gal 6: 6-10 Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things. Be not deceived; God is not mocked : for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not. As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.

The only time we are opportune to sow into Pastor Chris anointing is during his birthday which is just once in a year. Marchman pls tell me how else we can honour or communicate to our pastor?

"The church is obsessed with money. They do not mind how or where you get it"

Yea we are obsessed with money because of numerous projects that must be done before Jesus returns to rapture us. Why shouldn't we use money to serve God well now when it will be useless when we leave this earth? CE is interested in the job you do and ur financial abilities so your belief that we don't mind how we raise the money exist in your own imagination. I can't remember Jesus asking those Jews who were giving in the Temple where they got their money from. He didn't ask the widow too who gave her mites. Marchman u need to be cured of ur poverty mentality.

"Sin means nothing at Christ Embassy"

I don't know where you got this belief from because CE always frowns at any member that sins including an open rebuke. Some of our members that were caught in the act of fornication were excommuincated from the rest of the brethren and were told to sit at the back of the the church for each service till restitution. I ve witnessed this more then once. Scriptural readings from 1cor 5: 9-13 are read to the erring members.

Pastor Chris talks about sin, righteousness, heaven and hell but you don't know because you thought it's only Sunday services Pastor preaches to us. Pastor preaches to us everyday through Rhapsody of realities, tapes, cds, vcds, dvds, mp3 and software platforms.
When you lay much emphasis telling people not to sin that's when they will sin the more because it's the nature of man to sin when you tell him not to. Rom 7:15-20.

Saying Pastor Chris was accussed of fornication without any proof or evidence I won't bother to reply you on that.

"Pastor Chris is the orthodoxy"

According to 1st Cor 11:1 it says Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
So what's wrong if we always make reference to him and follow him?

You said "No one can challenge Pastor Chris." How can you challenge him? Where you the one that called him? He answers to the one that called him and only God shall reward or judge him not you.

You also said "He tries to change verse of scriptures by rewriting them?

You are filled with hatred because Pastor only lays emphasis on the original bible manuscripts which was written in Hebrew and Greek. How many study bibles have you read in your life? How many times have you even read your king James from back to back? Let your heart judge you.

As for your other rambling that I haven't countered I leave them for other Christ Embassy members to take care of.

Cc Joagbaje, Donnie, Gombs, Zionmade pls ur input is needed to encourage those children in Christ that might have gotten discouraged in serving God because of Marchman.

This is absolutely the thrash of modern day, the wrong seed of wrong doctrines have ripened and you can see the results, I have seen how you misinterpreted the Bible in defense of your sect to absolve your organization of any blame and paint the agreived member in bad light, you started by calling him a "wolf" Whao!
From your defence, I could see how you are struggling to rebrand an image over the sad experience of a former member, he has not the privilege to air his views to the founder, I am sure he made that Clare, It is so sad, that the wrong teaching which has taken over the modern churches started in the early eighties in Nigeria, although it has always been but it became a norm in our society and young boys who would not obey the gospel of Jesus saw an advantage in the ministry to make machandise of men, it is sad that the enemy sowed seeds of another gospel and many bought into it for its convenience.
If you are satisfied with what you call the gospel, and blinds yourself to all that the fellow had written about your congregation only to come online to castigate him rather than look inward and cry to God for revival because of the impact and damage done to a man seeking Christ and finding something else, then there is every reason to weep for this generation,
If this is what men died for in the book of Acts, if this is what took Jesus to the cross, if this money advertising gospel is what have gained our attention more than souls of men, then I tell you honestly. It is NOT the Gospel of Jesus Christ. It is another Gospel and truthfully as Jesus remarked in Mathew 13:28 "An enemy hath done this"

Na dem dem. Can u imagine? I'm a born again chtistian and yet I say, na dem dem. That's how bad it is. I couldn't even read past the, ' yes we're obsessed with money'. A Spirit filled chtistian will open his mouth and confess that for whatever reasons, they're obsessed with money. I wonder o. You admit that members are charged with financial contributions towards your pastors birthday and you even quote the bible in support of that. You misinterpret the scriptures on money with boldness. Money answereth all things is obviously not what they've brainwashed you with. I wonder if you're aware of a man named Simon who tried to buy the anointing from apostle Paul and what he got in return? Would you still think that money is everything after that? I wonder o. And yes I've spent time in Christ embassy but I left. The place is just not for me.

Maestro21:
He did not drive the crowd away. There were many other viewing centers around that one and people were told to go there free of charge. Those people would have still gone there and given their hearts to Christ.

True tho but we cant know since we not mind readers... I just hope it doesnt happen again. It just doesnt seem right

I'm not a saint but so many wrongs with CE as in somewhere else too. Roasting and jelling hairs, wearing body tight clothes showing clearly supposed covered parts of the body and befriending among members. And also too much emphasis on riches and gains of the world. Just few.

Dont judge a man of God pls. Let God do that.am a 'winner' pastor christ is a blessing to mankind.curse will befall any one that judge him.

zionmade:
hahahahaha, so all those that do come out for altar calls are they not also unbelievers. Didnt u also read there were sometimes Jesus hid or stayed away from the crowd? Now u can also go and ask him about those that wanted to repent that time.
Moreover if someone invites a sinner the person should also be able to pay for him

Lets say 100 unbelivers try going. 10 get in what happens to the other 90 who couldnt pay the 1k?

What if the sinner came on his own free will, transported himself, left with only transport and his told to pay 1k or no entry?.

Did jesus ever tell people to pay money to hear the gospel?.

U know what no need to answer, ive read all i needed to. U trying to justify extortion speaks a lot. Bye

Aragon:
Pure Garbage! You just Buttressed his Point! You are not here Defending CHRIST, but Christ Embassy and Pastor Chris. But then people like you don't know who JESUS CHRIST is as long as you have your god Pastor Chris. Look at the Energy you spend defending a Man, spend that energy on JESUS CHRIST and I will listen to you. And who told you he cant Challenge Pastor Christ? Paul who didn't live and eat with CHRIST, challenged Peter who Christ actually handed over his church. See if I have the Power, I will Close down many of these Churches and Build Industries in it's place. Then I will Build some Churches around without people making it their Private Properties to do it as they Please. By the way Nigeria is not suffering from lack of Churches, rather it is suffer from lack of Factories, Jobs and employment. You can worship your mini god Pastor Chris for all we care but please don't come here to spew Rubbish. And here is a

Test to Proof to yourself that you actually a True Christian. Go to Reedeem and Worship for a Week, Go to Kumuyi and Worship for another week, Go to Daystar and Worship for another week, Go to Anglican church and Worship for another week. And spend two months going to other Churches to worship because as long as they are Reading and Preaching from the same BIBLE then you or any other Christians should be Free to worship. A Church is a "Gathering of believers in Christ" and not a Building led by one Pastor we love. As long as the Gospel of Christ is preached with, using the Bible. So concentrate on Christ and forget defending all these men. They have enough money and people defending them. If today's Christians spend the time and energy on JESUS CHRIST that they are spending on their Pastors we will have true Christians that actually knows their left from right. Greetings from Europe and Have a happy Sunday.

so if someone start lying against ur father u will start defending Christ and not ur father abi.
why Shud we defend Christ wen it was the church that was attacked? Funny enough most people here running their mouth will runaway from threads that defames Christianity but wen they see pst Chris they rush to come and pour their hatred .

I asked before and am asking again, have u ever gone to sports thread to go preach ur gospel to those who spent hours defending their clubs or favorite players.
So we shud keep quiet wen people say all sorts of rubbish about a church that gave our lives a meaning
I can worship in deeper life but can a deeperlife come to CE and worship? I have worshipped in all those churches u mentioned so Wat's in it to be jumping from one church to another. U Mr preacher how many churches have u attended since last month?
I SPIT ON U HYPOCRITE

CC
Joagbaje
Donnie
Gombs
Zionmade
Marchman

if marcman has said all he has to say and truth be told the guy has just come to say his honest opinion about what he observe
yes he might have been wrong and yes he might have been right but one thing about his write up has been candid opinion from his mind without abuse to anybody whatsoever the principle of the church is what he has issue with and as a matter of fact Pentecostal church comes into been in the first place because people started doubting and questioning the practice of the first Roman Catholics the questioning and asking question of that yesterday from some people who believe there is deviation who believe something is beginning to go wrong is what led to the protestant and eventually gave birth to Pentecost of today so when people started raising eyebrow before you throw stone look back and check
however whatever it is they preach at CE as holy as it might be it is definitely certain this five people
Joagbaje
Donnie
Gombs
Zionmade
and OP have not been going to church to listen to the word of God
they have been goin there to throw chair up and whistle to anything the pastor has to say without actually hearing it
they have attack and condemned and insult people on this topic more than anybody Muslim and atheist combined
Jesus said you will be persecuted you will be insulted and so many other things he also said if the right face is slapped turn the left let them slap it
the truth of the matter is Jesus Christ himself said when a shepherd with 100 sheep loose one he leaves the 99 and goes out to look for the 1 that got lost
a brother is missing the road and instead of the five of you to find every means of getting across to him find where he is look for the nearest CE to him get in touch with them and tell them to bring back the brother into the fold of Christ
u went all war and give other non believer reason why the guy should be left to die
is that what Jesus Christ teach ? u called him so many name u said he has poverty mentality issue and the rest
u boast of project 400
is that what Christ really teach ? to attack and kill fellow brother because they have a different opinion ?
even right at the spot when Judas betray Jesus Peter cut of his ear but Jesus rebuke him and told thats not the way
eventually Judas met his Waterloo
everything you five die hard fans of CE have done has 100% authenticate what machman pointed out he said he lack salvation in that church
it is obvious he is not the only one who lacks it
I can't generalize about other CE members
but it's obvious you five lacks it
I have listen to one or two message of pastor Chris I don't have anything against him but u members ... we can't say the same

from a deep Christian with a free mind without prejudice

Those who speak against church and pastor like some so call friend in the office should be careful. Be fast in hearing but be slow in speaking so that u will not speak wrongly.
God bless Christian and protect us

zionmade:
His wife didn't accuse him of adultery unlike Wat hypocrites like u wished. Yes I am Christlike that is why I am called a Christian.
for the gatefee for cross over night, the people on site would have to make a little sacrifice so that people off site can also benefit. They may gather 1000million as gate fee but do u know how many billions goes in into airing the program live on almost all the TV stations in Nigeria and almost 50 countries?
learn how to shut up if u know next to nothing

just listen to yourself. And you have to send away people who came to worship God because they couldn't avoid the gate fee. If I were you, I will hide my face in shame for making such comments.

When it comes to giving in CE, Its for the enhancement of the kingdom of God, no doubt. However the rate at which they go bout getting the money is wat I'm not comfy with. I used to use my feeding money as a student in those days to upset certain givings. Even gave my first fruits. Now I know better. I'm where I give willingly n voluntarily.

femarse:
CC
Joagbaje
Donnie
Gombs
Zionmade
Marchman

if marcman has said all he has to say and truth be told the guy has just come to say his honest opinion about what he observe
yes he might have been wrong and yes he might have been right but one thing about his write up has been candid opinion from his mind without abuse to anybody whatsoever the principle of the church is what he has issue with and as a matter of fact Pentecostal church comes into been in the first place because people started doubting and questioning the practice of the first Roman Catholics the questioning and asking question of that yesterday from some people who believe there is deviation who believe something is beginning to go wrong is what led to the protestant and eventually gave birth to Pentecost of today so when people started raising eyebrow before you throw stone look back and check
however whatever it is they preach at CE as holy as it might be it is definitely certain this five people
Joagbaje
Donnie
Gombs
Zionmade
and OP have not been going to church to listen to the word of God
they have been goin there to throw chair up and whistle to anything the pastor has to say without actually hearing it
they have attack and condemned and insult people on this topic more than anybody Muslim and atheist combined
Jesus said you will be persecuted you will be insulted and so many other things he also said if the right face is slapped turn the left let them slap it
the truth of the matter is Jesus Christ himself said when a shepherd with 100 sheep loose one he leaves the 99 and goes out to look for the 1 that got lost
a brother is missing the road and instead of the five of you to find every means of getting across to him find where he is look for the nearest CE to him get in touch with them and tell them to bring back the brother into the fold of Christ
u went all war and give other non believer reason why the guy should be left to die
is that what Jesus Christ teach ? u called him so many name u said he has poverty mentality issue and the rest
u boast of project 400
is that what Christ really teach ? to attack and kill fellow brother because they have a different opinion ?
even right at the spot when Judas betray Jesus Peter cut of his ear but Jesus rebuke him and told thats not the way
eventually Judas met his Waterloo
everything you five die hard fans of CE have done has 100% authenticate what machman pointed out he said he lack salvation in that church
it is obvious he is not the only one who lacks it
I can't generalize about other CE members
but it's obvious you five lacks it
I have listen to one or two message of pastor Chris I don't have anything against him but u members ... we can't say the same

from a deep Christian with a free mind without prejudice

U never jam salvation ministry members and u re complaining. We know how religion and hypocrisy is an instrument used by demons to divide Christianity into so called denominations. And it's not everytime dat u use sweet voice in addressing these issues. Yes Jesus was meek and gentle but on a good day he used a koboko to give people the race of their lives.

tegak10:
Lets say 100 unbelivers try going. 10 get in what happens to the other 90 who couldnt pay the 1k?

What if the sinner came on his own free will, transported himself, left with only transport and his told to pay 1k or no entry?.

Did jesus ever tell people to pay money to hear the gospel?.

U know what no need to answer, ive read all i needed to. U trying to justify extortion speaks a lot. Bye

hahahahaha u re running I will address ur hypocrisy.
there are CE churches all over Lagos, Nigeria and the world airing the program live. So if u want to attend but u dnt have 1k find the closest satellite church and attend, they air the program. I have never to Lagos to attend dat particular program, the last one I attended was in ph. It makes no difference where u atend it's still don't same amounting.
One of my colleagues rightly mentioned how pst Chris gave a pastor from India who is not even a CE member millions of naira to further his ministry in the country. How much will they collect in dat program Dat can suffice that amount.
Lastly its only the Holy Spirit that can convince a sinner to attend, and the same spirit will either give him the money or direct him to the nearest satellite church.
Hypocrites everywhere, thanks to u all the rapid growth of CE was highly influenced by the publicity hypocrites like u helped us do

imasong005:
just listen to yourself. And you have to send away people who came to worship God because they couldn't avoid the gate fee. If I were you, I will hide my face in shame for making such comments.

Nobody was chased away for not paying because the same way they heard of the program was the same way they will hear about the 1k. So if u can't afford it find the nearest satellite church and partake in the service. Ensure u keep hiding that ur face till eternity HYPOCRITE

Nannymcphee,

You read everything by the OP and concluded he does not know the contexts in which money did not "answer" everything? How come it? The people who go to the healing school from various nations in the world is it because they lacked money? You of all people should know what the OP was referring to.

There are overzealous members everywhere it does not mean it is a CE teaching. I reckon that those who are not grounded are the one's to fall victim. I can give you 2 examples. A leader visited me a long time back when I was in school and stayed with me. I took care of him and gave him something when he was leaving. Few weeks later I was moved to send him air time and I did- he aptly told me how led I was as he was on his way to get credit before I sent him one. Then few months later he calls me on his own and asks me for airtime. What put me off was when he added "make it bigger this time". Ofcourse I saw it and did not respond to it. That is one.

Another time (2 years ago to be exact) I was called by a sister in church to remind me about a pledge I made concerning something in church. I was taken aback because I know I redeemed my pledge a week after I made it but I indulged her further to ensure I did not forget anything. But when she mentioned how much she said I owed the church I knew she was probably looking for a way to meet a target and decided to exploit "radical givers". I had to kindly tell her that she must be in error to which she apologized thereafter.

I gave all that background to say Pastor Chris does not force or teach that people should be coerced to give. If March felt that way, it was not the prevalent teaching in church and I know this because I have served under a handful of branches. If you even include your own wrong notion that people don't care about how the funds show then that is all on you. Instead of do something wrong for money, why don't you give what you have or not give at all? Is it by force?

You ran into another big error in sighting Peter or Paul. Then you tried to patch it up by saying Jesus accused satan for stirring it. Jesus correction of Peter was proof that he was in the wrong. I wager that one of the ways Jesus knew Peter was voicing the thoughts of satan is because he spoke out of turn. There is a right way to do things in God's kingdom. Paul could also rebuke Peter because that was Paul's jurisdiction. You don't expect me to go to Living Faith and tell them the anointing oil is not the Holy Spirit in a bottle. There is order in God's house. If you saw Pastor Chris minister with Benny Hinn, when he asked Pastor Chris to pray on the Prayer Shawls, Pastor did it but if you know him at all you would know he does not teach or practice such things. That is how to follow order and be at peace in God's way.