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Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by felixomor: 10:31am On Jul 12, 2017 |
TLuzzie:Again, trying to project your mental status onto others Sorry, you didn't have to deny it to sound foolish The way u used it was foolish none the less. 1 Like |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by Nobody: 10:32am On Jul 12, 2017 |
hopefulLandlord:Of course....... Their answer determines whether atheists will take their argument serious whenever they claim that "something coming out of nothing is impossible". Contradictions and inconsistencies destroy credibility. 1 Like |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by Nobody: 10:34am On Jul 12, 2017 |
felixomor:Ok. |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by Nobody: 10:36am On Jul 12, 2017 |
spacetacular:Stop disgracing your husband joor! You're too old for this nah. While, "I", like you said, "still have a long way to go". |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by spacetacular(f): 10:41am On Jul 12, 2017 |
TLuzzie: My husband can speak for himself and he does so ever so eloquently. You do have a long way to go when it comes to common sense. So for that, you are right! 1 Like |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by Nobody: 10:44am On Jul 12, 2017 |
spacetacular:Good, b!tch. I've fed you your dogsh!t and you found it delicious. Enjoy your meal. Oya leave me alone now, will you? You can't marry two people nah. |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by Richirich713: 10:45am On Jul 12, 2017 |
hopefulLandlord: I never missed your point, I agreed with it. Some Comoslogical arguments like Craig's allows for the possibility. In fact I wasn't even arguing for the kalam, I just referenced craig's article to show u his response to that copy & paste u posted earlier. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by spacetacular(f): 10:49am On Jul 12, 2017 |
TLuzzie: Oh so you are an encapsulation of that which you dish out? I hope the job pays well. |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by Nobody: 10:55am On Jul 12, 2017 |
JackBizzle:I also accept a cyclical universe. Each age starting with a big bang and ending in a big crunch. Well, something like that. The idea is that the origin of that big bang and where it eventually returns to are the foundations of the universe. Now, this is what qualifies as the "first cause" or "set of first causes" I termed NECESSARY. If the physical universe itself isn't eternal, then it must depend on something. It's like some energy from the origin being transformed into physicality, and physicality eventually returning to that non-physical origin, like a wave continuously rising and collapsing, like the musical waves of Orpheus. The key point here is that the origin, the foundation is not NOTHING or NONEXISTENCE since neither can give rise to SOMETHING nor EXISTENCE. It's only transformation of the universal fundamental basis taking place endlessly. This is why I mock the theists and deists for denying the possibility of creation from nothing, and then turning around to claim that some creator God or supreme being created the universe out of pure nothingness, bringing it into existence out of NONEXISTENCE destroying their earlier argument. It's ridiculous. |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by Nobody: 10:59am On Jul 12, 2017 |
hopefulLandlord:Right. I agree. |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by KingEbukasBlog(m): 10:59am On Jul 12, 2017 |
JackBizzle: Please stop embarrassing yourself . It is called the first cause and the first cause is immutable . 1 Like |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by spacetacular(f): 11:12am On Jul 12, 2017 |
TLuzzie: My problem is that you are my favourite past time |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by Nobody: 11:16am On Jul 12, 2017 |
spacetacular:Very good. I get the message. I'll help you inform one of my uncles that there's a new babe from the UK. But rest assured that I'll NEVER reply you again. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:16am On Jul 12, 2017 |
TLuzzie: You are a bit confused . Theists and deists alike have logical reasons to acknowledge the existence of God. Deists just have a different thought about the nature of God since it is a theological position. The same way a panentheist (not pantheist ) has a different thought about the nature of God . Atheism is pretty 4cked up like 4kings pointed out . A pantheist believes the universe is god. People can deify anything nowadays . So denying the existence of God/gods is actually idiotic . If I choose to call my mobile device my god , are you gonna tell me that my mobile device is not god or it does not exist ? With this thinking, there is indeed a creator , a First cause but atheists don't see it as God . They are not really denying it's existence, they just believe it is not worthy to be called God because they expect it to do things and if It does not do those things , then why call it God ? 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by JackBizzle: 11:26am On Jul 12, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: Is the first cause a scientific fact or some theological woowoo |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by JackBizzle: 11:29am On Jul 12, 2017 |
TLuzzie: Bravo! You put it better than I could. Cc kingebukasblog ati spectacular. This is how to give a reasoned opinion and not the B.S. you produce |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by Nobody: 11:29am On Jul 12, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:Lol. I may be a bit 'confused', but you're definitely a tad confused more than I am. Theists and deists alike have logical reasons to acknowledge the existence of God. Deists just have a different thought about the nature of God since it is a theological position.And the atheist is attacking the THEIST thought about the nature of the universe's origin/the first cause/"GOD", so defend it IF YOU are a theist. It is called aTHEISM for a reason. The same way a panentheist (not pantheist ) has a different thought about the nature of God .Yeah, yeah, yeah. Atheism is pretty 4cked up like 4kings pointed out . A pantheist believes the universe is god. People can deify anything nowadays . So denying the existence of God/gods is actually idiotic . If I choose to call my mobile device my god , are you gonna tell me that my mobile device is not god or it does not exist ?Good point. It depends on what you MEAN by 'God'. You can't be insane enough to tell me that the universe finds its origin in your mobile device, can you? With this thinking, there is indeed a creator , a First cause but atheists don't see it as God.Chill bro. Atheism denies the God of the theists. That is the only set of Gods the atheist has RULED out. He might not subscribe to the others, but might be apathetic towards them. They are not really denying it's existence, they just believe it is not worthy to be called God because they expect it to do things and if It does not do those things , then why call it God ?The Abrahamic God, I repeat, is an IMPOSSIBLE NONSENSE. 4 Likes |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by spacetacular(f): 11:32am On Jul 12, 2017 |
TLuzzie: You are quite emotional today. So you will never reply me again? Let's see how long you can go on with it especially with the chart blowing range of vitriol and bile in you. An apple never falls far from the tree. Your uncles must be your replica. You all would be my favourite past time. I take serious people seriously but clowns are just for past times. |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by spacetacular(f): 11:33am On Jul 12, 2017 |
JackBizzle: Do you have a scientific mind? You do not even possess what you seek. The first cause you know Is it a scientific fact? |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by ScepticalPyrrho: 11:34am On Jul 12, 2017 |
felixomor:Which God do you worship as a theist? |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by spacetacular(f): 11:37am On Jul 12, 2017 |
TLuzzie: So if the abrahamic God is an impossible nonsense this means there is a possible "sense" of a God out there which to you isn't the abrahamic God. So can you tell me who or what this God is? |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by Nobody: 11:38am On Jul 12, 2017 |
JackBizzle: |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by Nobody: 11:41am On Jul 12, 2017 |
Someone around here is already missing my replies sha. |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:43am On Jul 12, 2017 |
TLuzzie: The theory of the cyclic universe has been debunked by science . I'm on a mobile device now , I would have explained in details. This is why I mock the theists and deists for denying the possibility of creation from nothing, and then turning around to claim that some creator God or supreme being created the universe out of pure nothingness, bringing it into existence out of NONEXISTENCE destroying their earlier argument. It's ridiculous. There are three concepts of creation 1. Creatio ex deo - creation out of the being of God which I subscribe to 2. Creatio ex materia - eternal universe coexisting with God from past infinitude. 3. Creatio ex nihilo - creation out of nothing Not everyone subscribes to creation out of nothing . And there are theists who object creatio ex nihilo Apparently, you are mocking in ignorance which is just a pitiful thing to see . 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by JackBizzle: 11:45am On Jul 12, 2017 |
spacetacular: Anonyism- answering questions with questions when cornered |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by spacetacular(f): 11:45am On Jul 12, 2017 |
JackBizzle: You do not even understand what you responded to. Let me post an extract To Help you out with. "Now, this is what qualifies as the "first cause" or "set of first causes" I termed NECESSARY. If the physical universe itself isn't eternal, then it must depend on something. It's like some energy from the origin being transformed into physicality, and physicality eventually returning to that non-physical origin, like a wave continuously rising and collapsing, like the musical waves of Orpheus. The key point here is that the origin, the foundation is not NOTHING or NONEXISTENCE since neither can give rise to SOMETHING nor EXISTENCE. It's only transformation of the universal fundamental basis taking place endlessly." He is simply saying that the universe has a creator but he is struggling to understand how this creator achieved this feat. Which is understandable due to his limited perception. So do you believe the universe was CREATED or it EXPANDED FROM A SINGULARITY? |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by Nobody: 11:47am On Jul 12, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:Oh, interesting. Can you tell me how CREATION OUT OF THE BEING OF GOD occurs, and which part of the scriptures of your theistic religion of Christianity backs it up? 1 Like |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by spacetacular(f): 11:48am On Jul 12, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: Number one holds true and I subscribe to that as well. God conceived us as thought (his being) and brought us to reality. Much the same way every invention or produce of man was also first a thought and later a tangible projection of himself. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by CatfishBilly: 11:50am On Jul 12, 2017 |
TLuzzie:Creatio ex materia renders god redundant in my opinion. I see nothing for god to do in that scenario. Creatio ex nihilo is just stupid. |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by JackBizzle: 11:55am On Jul 12, 2017 |
spacetacular: The fact is that I do not know how the universe came about. The most plausible theory, albeit sci-fi, to me is the cyclical multiverse. Tluvie is saying the same thing albeit in his/her own way. Ogbeni, SWERVE |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by hopefulLandlord: 11:56am On Jul 12, 2017 |
TLuzzie: |
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