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Re: Heaven Helps Those Who Can't Help Themselves, Not The Other Way Round by marooh: 11:56am On Jul 16, 2017
Op why na?
Preaching na by force?

U said elijah hide...that means it help himself by hiding....
He for dey there make e enemy use am do Peper soup

U still dey that beer bar? U sound like one grin
Re: Heaven Helps Those Who Can't Help Themselves, Not The Other Way Round by jbhitler(m): 11:56am On Jul 16, 2017
That phrase is unscriptural and satanic.the originators of phrase didnt actually mean to exalt God but to make us believe that,any means possible that you want to use in getting something use it,even if it takes killing someone to get it.God may programme you to be rich in five years time but if you join occult,you can become rich in few months time.you see,it is a statement of self comfort and self encouragement in evil.it is not biblical and not for christians but unbelievers.
Re: Heaven Helps Those Who Can't Help Themselves, Not The Other Way Round by Nobody: 11:59am On Jul 16, 2017
Dlordsamurai:
sciencetifically those natural disasters can be explained and as to why they happen and offcours lost of lives can be prevented but one thing that science cant explain is the air we breath in.
They'll explain that too.
#plants. What I feel they can't explain is Death.
Re: Heaven Helps Those Who Can't Help Themselves, Not The Other Way Round by Nobody: 12:00pm On Jul 16, 2017
frubben:
heaven help does who help themselves.

Coma beat me.
grin

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Re: Heaven Helps Those Who Can't Help Themselves, Not The Other Way Round by jiangchu: 12:02pm On Jul 16, 2017
donsamtex:
I sometimes wonder how can heaven help someone, when the person can already help his or herself?..
The phrase should be change to HEAVEN HELPS THOSE WHO CANT HELP THEMSELVES.

Even in the bible heaven has always help those who cant help themselves,take the story of Elijah for example when he was being hunt, after killing those baal priest. He went into hiding and God feed him through ravens because he wasnt able to help himself.
ASK YOURSELF DO YOU REALLY NEEDS GODS HELP WHEN YOU CAN HELP YOURSELF.
the bible was written with capitalist mindset.

“For whoever has will
be given more, and they will
have an abundance. Whoever
does not have, even what they
have will be taken from them”
(Matthew 25:29)
Re: Heaven Helps Those Who Can't Help Themselves, Not The Other Way Round by Stooi76(m): 12:03pm On Jul 16, 2017
how quote isn't inside the Bible, it is man saying
Re: Heaven Helps Those Who Can't Help Themselves, Not The Other Way Round by Nobody: 12:04pm On Jul 16, 2017
Benita27:
They'll explain that too.
#plants. What I feel they can't explain is Death.
True, the devil has always use science and know it all mentality to deceive man, but what they fail to understand is that this entire universe is spiritual and man is only flesh and bone. our knowlege is limited.
Re: Heaven Helps Those Who Can't Help Themselves, Not The Other Way Round by linearity: 12:08pm On Jul 16, 2017
zionmade:
Yes u should be hardworking and productive. Laziness is a function of lacking God's presence in ur life. but ur hardwork does not guarantee u help from above. Ur helplessness before God makes heaven come to ur rescue. Heaven won't help u because u help urself but because u trust in God's ability to help u.
Your helplessness, just like your hardwork does not guarantee any help from above.

The Bible cleared stated that, the only thing that will guarantee help is, work combined with faith...not even helplessness combined with faith.
Re: Heaven Helps Those Who Can't Help Themselves, Not The Other Way Round by Slurity(m): 12:08pm On Jul 16, 2017
BOTH SIDE OF THE STATEMENT IS VERY CORRECT. DONT PROVE TO BE MR KNOW ALL. THE PERSON THAT SAYS THE STATEMENT YOU JUST TWISTED IS NOT A FOOL AND HAS DONE JOB THAN YOU BY FAR
Re: Heaven Helps Those Who Can't Help Themselves, Not The Other Way Round by 0b100100111: 12:11pm On Jul 16, 2017
Dlordsamurai:
hmmm heaven has been of help to man kind since creation, the rain, the wind, the days, the nights, the sunshine, the earth for plants, the air we breath in.
How has heaven been of help?
Please don't tell me fiction, I want realistic points.
Re: Heaven Helps Those Who Can't Help Themselves, Not The Other Way Round by TINALETC3(f): 12:13pm On Jul 16, 2017
grin
frubben:
heaven help does who help themselves.


Coma beat me.
Re: Heaven Helps Those Who Can't Help Themselves, Not The Other Way Round by 0b100100111: 12:14pm On Jul 16, 2017
Mental slavery!
Re: Heaven Helps Those Who Can't Help Themselves, Not The Other Way Round by Centachos: 12:16pm On Jul 16, 2017
Seek first the kingdom of God and every other thing will be added unto thee. Its only wen u help ur self by seeking the kingdom that God will help u to add the other things.
Re: Heaven Helps Those Who Can't Help Themselves, Not The Other Way Round by piagetskinner(m): 12:17pm On Jul 16, 2017
donsamtex:
I sometimes wonder how can heaven help someone, when the person can already help his or herself?..
The phrase should be change to HEAVEN HELPS THOSE WHO CANT HELP THEMSELVES.

Even in the bible heaven has always help those who cant help themselves,take the story of Elijah for example when he was being hunt, after killing those baal priest. He went into hiding and God feed him through ravens because he wasnt able to help himself.
ASK YOURSELF DO YOU REALLY NEEDS GODS HELP WHEN YOU CAN HELP YOURSELF.
thanks for this brother....heaven indeed will only help those who have admitted and and recognised that they cannot help themselves unless heaven helps them
Re: Heaven Helps Those Who Can't Help Themselves, Not The Other Way Round by Slurity(m): 12:18pm On Jul 16, 2017
donsamtex:
I sometimes wonder how can heaven help someone, when the person can already help his or herself?..
The phrase should be change to HEAVEN HELPS THOSE WHO CANT HELP THEMSELVES.

Even in the bible heaven has always help those who cant help themselves,take the story of Elijah for example when he was being hunt, after killing those baal priest. He went into hiding and God feed him through ravens because he wasnt able to help himself.
ASK YOURSELF DO YOU REALLY NEEDS GODS HELP WHEN YOU CAN HELP YOURSELF.
YOUR REASONING IS SHALLOW, TO BE A GOOD ANALYST, THERE IS WISDOM IN LOOKING TO A SITUATION FROM TWO SIDES BEFORE CONCLUSION. WHAT YOU HAVE DONE IS A HALF JOB. NOW TAKE YOUR BIBLE AND CHECK THE LIFE OF JACOBS WHEN HE FOUGHT WITH ANGEL TO GET BLESSED, CHECK ON THE STORY OF JOSEPH, CHECK THE STORY OF KING SOLOMON ABOUT WHAT HE DID THAT MAKE GOD APPEARED AND BLESS HIM IN HIS DREAM. THEN COME BACK HERE AND CONCLUDE WITH CORRECT AND NOT SHALLOW KNOWLEDGE
Re: Heaven Helps Those Who Can't Help Themselves, Not The Other Way Round by banmee(m): 12:18pm On Jul 16, 2017
Heaven does not help anyone. You help yourself period. The sooner you all realize this the better for you.
Re: Heaven Helps Those Who Can't Help Themselves, Not The Other Way Round by Tiwaladeice(m): 12:19pm On Jul 16, 2017
Sniper12:
who is heaven?
brain nkwa
Re: Heaven Helps Those Who Can't Help Themselves, Not The Other Way Round by Tiwaladeice(m): 12:21pm On Jul 16, 2017
banmee:
Heaven does not help anyone. You help yourself period. The sooner you all realize this the better for you.
ask and it shall be given.. Seek and ye shall find smiley
banmee:
Heaven does not help anyone. You help yourself period. The sooner you all realize this the better for you.
ask and it shall be given.. Seek and ye shall find
Re: Heaven Helps Those Who Can't Help Themselves, Not The Other Way Round by sgtponzihater1(m): 12:25pm On Jul 16, 2017
banmee:
Heaven does not help anyone. You help yourself period. The sooner you all realize this the better for you.
No man can help himself, more effort does not yield more result, rather clinging to the unseen forces gives explosive increase. Our effort may give us arithmetic progress or sometimes diminishing returns, but holding on to the unseen forces, gives us exponential increase. The OP is right and blessed, the mindset that heaven help those that help themselves, only gives us a false sense of self-ability, but looking into Jesus the author and finisher should be our mindset. He is not promoting laziness, but emphasising that our effort means nothing without God, in fact little is much when God is in it.
Re: Heaven Helps Those Who Can't Help Themselves, Not The Other Way Round by Bddy1(m): 12:26pm On Jul 16, 2017
This one is talking rubish, why don't you sit down at home with no effort, no work and be expecting to be blessed by heaven? pls stop misinterpreting bible scripture to support your stupid notion.
Re: Heaven Helps Those Who Can't Help Themselves, Not The Other Way Round by lonikit: 12:34pm On Jul 16, 2017
donsamtex:
I sometimes wonder how can heaven help someone, when the person can already help his or herself?..
The phrase should be change to HEAVEN HELPS THOSE WHO CANT HELP THEMSELVES.

Even in the bible heaven has always help those who cant help themselves,take the story of Elijah for example when he was being hunt, after killing those baal priest. He went into hiding and God feed him through ravens because he wasnt able to help himself.
ASK YOURSELF DO YOU REALLY NEEDS GODS HELP WHEN YOU CAN HELP YOURSELF.
so the above statement is a phrase?? op, u nid both heavenly and earthly help.
Re: Heaven Helps Those Who Can't Help Themselves, Not The Other Way Round by banmee(m): 12:35pm On Jul 16, 2017
Tiwaladeice:
ask and it shall be given.. Seek and ye shall find smileyask and it shall be given.. Seek and ye shall find
I do everyday. Before i ask here's one natural law that escapes religious nut jobs; Bad will always happen. Fact. Here's what i ask; If i do this (whatever that is), what would happen. Because of that question, i make sure i plan very well for tomorrow. Religious nut jobs don't think like that and hardly ever plan. For instance, before i drive i ask myself if my insurance is intact. You never know. I might be driving this one time and i would have an accident. Guess what? My insurance covers it. In Nigeria, religious nut jobs would tie a bible to their dashboard and this is supposed to stop an accident from happening. Smh.
Re: Heaven Helps Those Who Can't Help Themselves, Not The Other Way Round by banmee(m): 12:37pm On Jul 16, 2017
sgtponzihater1:
No man can help himself, more effort does not yield more result, rather clinging to the unseen forces gives explosive increase. Our effort may give us arithmetic progress or sometimes diminishing returns, but holding on to the unseen forces, gives us exponential increase. The OP is right and blessed, the mindset that heaven help those that help themselves, only gives us a false sense of self-ability, but looking into Jesus the author and finisher should be our mindset. He is not promoting laziness, but emphasising that our effort means nothing without God, in fact little is much when God is in it.
There is one critical law in life that escapes religious nut jobs. Bad things will always happen. For some reason you all do not just understand this and because you do not understand it you flock to an imaginary god to help you prevent the inevitable. Most of the unfortunate events in life are man made and some are just plain bad luck. Let me give you an example. The recent floods all over Nigeria; one NL member started quoting the bible saying it was the end of days. I tried my best to explain to him that with a good drainage system most of the areas flooded if not all, would not have happened in the first place. He took a religious path to explain his ignorance. If you had helped yourselves by planning ahead in a logical manner half of the unfortunate events in your lives would not happen. You prefer to stay on your knees. Carry on.
Re: Heaven Helps Those Who Can't Help Themselves, Not The Other Way Round by Nobody: 12:48pm On Jul 16, 2017
donsamtex:
I sometimes wonder how can heaven help someone, when the person can already help his or herself?..
The phrase should be change to HEAVEN HELPS THOSE WHO CANT HELP THEMSELVES.

Even in the bible heaven has always help those who cant help themselves,take the story of Elijah for example when he was being hunt, after killing those baal priest. He went into hiding and God feed him through ravens because he wasnt able to help himself.
ASK YOURSELF DO YOU REALLY NEEDS GODS HELP WHEN YOU CAN HELP YOURSELF.
The saying is for lazy people to get off their asses and do something for a change. Don't make it biblical to be lazy.
Re: Heaven Helps Those Who Can't Help Themselves, Not The Other Way Round by sgtponzihater1(m): 12:52pm On Jul 16, 2017
banmee:
There is one critical law in life that escapes religious nut jobs. Bad things will always happen. For some reason you all do not just understand this and because you do not understand it you flock to an imaginary god to help you prevent the inevitable. Most of the unfortunate events in life are man made and some are just plain bad luck. Let me give you an example. The recent floods all over Nigeria; one NL member started quoting the bible saying it was the end of days. I tried my best to explain to him that with a good drainage system most of the areas if not all of the floods would not have happened in the first place. He took a religious path to explain his ignorance. If you had helped yourselves by planning ahead in a logical manner half of the unfortunate events in your lives would not happen. You prefer to stay on your knees. Carry on.
While you are partially correct, you have erred in two regards. Firstly Sgt Ponzi Hater has never been and will never be a religious fanatic, in fact I made peace with God only recently after living a life based on my own feelings and senses, secondly your example of fixing the drainage system as a solution to the flood that occurred recently is also based on humans fleeting and flammable intuition. When a nation depends on God for direction good things are bound to happen, but when elections come partisan, religious and human sentiments become the canvass on which we decide our leadership. If our leaders were chosen out of Gods perfect will, rather than permissive will, the drainages will be fixed, well deserving graduates will not form destitutes on the streets and looter will not be patted on the back.

Physical laws exists, so does spiritual laws, however, spiritual law always supercede and override physical laws. The Bible said things which are seen where made from things which are not seen. No extra-effort is needed if you are in the spiritual, in fact extra-effort take you out of faith and makes you counterproductive. Achievement through release and casting your cares is what the Bible preaches.

God bless
Re: Heaven Helps Those Who Can't Help Themselves, Not The Other Way Round by Nobody: 12:53pm On Jul 16, 2017
I was in the church service when Pst. Chris Oyakhilome made that statement, and I was also an attendant in a Live streaming broadcast when he talked about "knowing your part, and doing it"

So, the conclusion of the matter is this..."Heaven helps those who help themselves (knowing your part and doing it), as well as those who CANNOT help themselves (those who have been overwhelmed by life's challenges).

End of Discussion!
Re: Heaven Helps Those Who Can't Help Themselves, Not The Other Way Round by banmee(m): 12:59pm On Jul 16, 2017
sgtponzihater1:
While you are partially correct, you have erred in two regards. Firstly Sgt Ponzi Hater has never been and will never be a religious fanatic, in fact I made peace with God only recently after living a life based on my own feelings and senses, secondly your example of fixing the drainage system as a solution to the flood that occurred recently is also based on humans fleeting and flammable intuition. When a nation depends on God for direction good things are bound to happen, but when elections come partisan, religious and human sentiments become the canvass on which we decide our leadership. If our leaders were chosen out of Gods perfect will, rather than permissive will, the drainages will be fixed, well deserving graduates will not form destitutes on the streets and looter will not be patted on the back.

Physical laws exists, so does spiritual laws, however, spiritual law always supercede and override physical laws. The Bible said things which are seen where made from things which are not seen. No extra-effort is needed if you are in the spiritual, in fact extra-effort take you out of faith and makes you counterproductive. Achievement through release and casting your cares is what the Bible preaches.

God bless
So, why are countries who do not believe in god growing in leaps and bounds? Are you saying that me that do not believe in god good things will never happen to me? Bros, good things happen in life on a continous basis. And i don't believe in any god. I also acknowledge that bad things will happen as well which is why i inform myself and plan for the day it happens. And this "the bible said" mindset is not helping you.
Re: Heaven Helps Those Who Can't Help Themselves, Not The Other Way Round by Rhoteabarca(m): 1:12pm On Jul 16, 2017
D bible says "Faith without work is dead".
So u must put in some effort 1st, then pray to God nd he wil help u to prosper dat work of ur HANDS!
Re: Heaven Helps Those Who Can't Help Themselves, Not The Other Way Round by sgtponzihater1(m): 1:16pm On Jul 16, 2017
banmee:
So, why are countries who do not believe in god growing in leaps and bounds? Are you saying that me that do not believe in god good things will never happen to me? Bros, good things happen in life on a continous basis. And i don't believe in any god. I also acknowledge that bad things will happen as well which is why i inform myself and plan for the day it happens. And this "the bible said" mindset is not helping you.
You are currently living on Gods Providence, which he showers on all men irrespective of religion, imagine the possibilities and achievements when you decide to trust wholly on him. All so called atheist only profess such because they've been touched adequately by the vageries of life, when however tough time comes you'll subconsciously screem, my God!
Re: Heaven Helps Those Who Can't Help Themselves, Not The Other Way Round by zionmade(m): 1:28pm On Jul 16, 2017
linearity:
Your helplessness, just like your hardwork does not guarantee any help from above.

The Bible cleared stated that, the only thing that will guarantee help is, work combined with faith...not even helplessness combined with faith.
then u are yet to learn how to pray. Go and study about people who God came to their rescue in the Bible. I didn't say be helpless but until u show God that u can't help urself wen on ur knees in prayer, then u re yet to know the meaning of pouring out ur heart before God.

Take an example from the story of Jehoshaphat. Even though he had thousands of soldiers but he was outnumbered. He cried unto God saying "we have NO MIGHT against these armies but our hope is on u" that is the kind of helplessness I mean
Re: Heaven Helps Those Who Can't Help Themselves, Not The Other Way Round by zionmade(m): 1:33pm On Jul 16, 2017
banmee:
So, why are countries who do not believe in god growing in leaps and bounds? Are you saying that me that do not believe in god good things will never happen to me? Bros, good things happen in life on a continous basis. And i don't believe in any god. I also acknowledge that bad things will happen as well which is why i inform myself and plan for the day it happens. And this "the bible said" mindset is not helping you.
I will ask u a question, During war, which area suffers most? is it the warfront? or the normal residence of the people?

If the god of this world don't fight countries like Nigeria tooth and nail, Christianity as strong as it is from this country will cover the whole world.
Also if living without God doesn't look attractive to a carnal man, then nobody will be an unbeliever
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