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Re: Introverts Lounge (Extroverts Pls Keep Off !!) by coveredchic(f): 4:18pm On Jul 23, 2017
Apus:




Cool!

Cool!
Do you know how I got over my shyness?
I simply pretend not to be shy. I put on a performance around people I don't know. I pretend to have a conversation with them, I pretend to care.
And that's how I got over my shyness, I forced myself to perform as an outgoing, sociable person to make everyone including myself happy.
Performance takes the “edge” out of being social. A performance isn't “you”, it's an act. You simply act like you aren't shy. If you act enough, it becomes real, second nature.
The things we think and do always end up becoming true. I performed enough as an outgoing person that now no one believes I am shy. My performance became true. I faked it 'til I made it....But what happens during my alone time ....I'm totally drained simply because unlike an extrovert i'm not energized by people. Quiet sometimes is refreshing. Bein Shy is one thing, but wrapped up in your own little world is another...
Lol at the fact that you had to pretend to be extroverted. I wouldn't survive that.
Re: Introverts Lounge (Extroverts Pls Keep Off !!) by ghanc23(f): 5:42pm On Jul 23, 2017
being an introvert has some disadvantages I can start a conservation or maintain it people tink am not easy going, proud and can't be discussed with presently is affecting my marriage cos I need communication to keep going
Re: Introverts Lounge (Extroverts Pls Keep Off !!) by DonOms(m): 6:16pm On Jul 23, 2017
ghanc23:
being an introvert has some disadvantages
I can start a conservation or maintain it
people tink am not easy going, proud and can't be discussed with
presently is affecting my marriage cos I need communication to keep going

If people think you're proud and difficult to communicate with, despite being able to start and maintain conversations, then maybe the 'problem' isn't you but these people around you. Almost all introverts get that "proud label" but the truth is other people don't understand us is all.

As for what is affecting your marriage, it's not clear how your need for communication is important to keep you going. I think you may have a certain misunderstanding about the word communication so it may be better if you make it clear. By the way, I posted on your thread and I still feel you're not making the whole communication issue clear.
Re: Introverts Lounge (Extroverts Pls Keep Off !!) by Nobody: 10:27am On Jul 25, 2017
Following the thread from the beginning with the argument that ensued, I decided to keep mute until everywhere was calm enough before I would post this piece (with modifications by me) that covers all that both parties here have been saying without igniting another battle. Hope you're patient enough to read it.

The Modified Introvert A.k.a Extroverted Introvert

Thanks to the Western world’s favoritism of extroverts, we introverts feel as though we must force ourselves to change.  We feel as though we must become actors masquerading under finely tuned masks all the time.  While sometimes it does help to temporarily tap into your inner extrovert – as introverts we seem to be under the impression that in order to excel in our careers, life ambitions and connections, we must become actors all day every day, without exception.  Unfortunately this leads to endless amounts of burnout, anxiety and sometimes even depression.
The truth is: many of us don’t give ourselves a break!  We fail to create balance in our lives, and so our socially gregarious facades swallow our entire lives.  Sometimes our true selves are buried and repressed so deeply under our daily masks so often that we loose touch with what makes us ‘us’.
Many introverts realize that they must become experts in personal appearances and self promotion in social settings.  Many of us realize that simply being ourselves won’t cut it all the time.  We can’t remain quiet, reserved or autonomous.  We must function by igniting connections with people.  And in order to do that we need to exude the energy and charisma of extroverts.
So while it can indeed be practically helpful to channel our “extroverted selves” in our work lives, friendship circles and family lives every now and then, many of us introverts fail to set healthy boundaries.  If we have not developed enough self-awareness, our extroverted selves can wreak havoc in our inner and outer lives.

Personally, I've noticed that I've made certain changes regarding my personality, some might say it's acting and they aren't far from the truth because I believe I had to fake it so much that it looks real now, I might as well go into nolly wood smiley ….. The only thing is that after a little "acting", I disappear from the scene or become as quiet as possible while sitting in a corner…. Traits like fear of public speaking, looking at people in the eye, avoiding conflicts, talking to the opposite sex etc. have all been overcome or let's say modified. It's not all positive though, on the negative side, I'm someone who respects the rules to the core, loyal enough to defend a friend even it gets to exchanging blows (Exact opposite of coward), values honesty and sticks to the truth damn the consequences… In modified journey, this things have changed a little but I try as much as possible not to make it part of me. For example, the rules, I've come across extroverted pals that are ready to bend the rules as long as it gets them what they want and i see them actually getting that thing with only me as an exemption, it has caused a number of regrets but I'm over it now, I once succumbed to their pressure and chose to bend the rules, Voila! I got what I wanted!. This was a big dent on my values and a really strong debatable point because it kind of taught me certain things. Over to the truth, there are times when I get into a lot of trouble for saying the truth, there came this one time I weighed all the options available and saw that this truth will almost skin me and my pals alive cheesy, I chose to take the other option and like magic, all troubles are gone, I'm free cheesy…Coupled with white lies too, to avoid hurting feelings, especially females, guys might be disappointed but they're reaction will definitely be different from the ladies. I see all these as the negative side because it went against my values.
Lest I forget,
We all have an energetic “extroverted” side within us – it’s just that we all have it to different degrees.  For those of us who are on the bottom of the energy spectrum (introverts) it really helps to know your limits.

Ref: https://lonerwolf.com/the-extroverted-introvert

Sorry if this piece seems to long, I wrote it from a laptop.

PS: Don't quote it, just mention the moniker for any contributions or questions smiley

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Re: Introverts Lounge (Extroverts Pls Keep Off !!) by bubbleam: 10:39am On Jul 25, 2017
Thank you for your sharing. Thanks to this article I can learn more things. Expand your knowledge and abilities. Actually the article is very practical. Thank you!
bubbleam, ludo game
Re: Introverts Lounge (Extroverts Pls Keep Off !!) by Nobody: 11:12am On Jul 25, 2017
bubbleam:
Thank you for your sharing. Thanks to this article I can learn more things. Expand your knowledge and abilities. Actually the article is very practical. Thank you!
bubbleam, ludo game



You're Welcome smiley
Re: Introverts Lounge (Extroverts Pls Keep Off !!) by DonOms(m): 11:21am On Jul 25, 2017
GloryIsaac:
Following the thread from the beginning with the argument that ensued, I decided to keep mute until everywhere was calm enough before I would post this piece (with modifications by me) that covers all that both parties here have been saying without igniting another battle. Hope you're patient enough to read it.

Ref: https://lonerwolf.com/the-extroverted-introvert

Sorry if this piece seems to long, I wrote it from a laptop.

It's very nice of you to share the article.

I, too, refrained from contributing to that little argument because I knew it was mostly a matter of opinion, choice-of-words and experience - all of which are relatively easily misinterpreted compared to facts. I'm glad everyone eventually made themselves clearer.

Speaking partly on your post and drawing general conclusions, I think it might make sense to agree that firstly, degree of introversion determines how much change (or acting) an introvert can embrace. And this then further break down to "finally" locating one's true 'identity position' on the continuum scale.

Secondly, introversion is introversion. It has its core nature but it also has peripheral attributes easily associated with it (e.g. Shyness, social anxiety, social withdrawal e.t.c.). While its core can never be changed nor outgrown (such as the need to recharge, and easily draining out in loud/large gatherings), some of the peripheral attributes get somewhat modified with change in personality, age, responsibility and/or environment.

So as a summary, yes, Introverts can get to act differently or change some things about them with time (as coping mechanisms) but cannot exactly 'outgrow' introversion in its core sense.
Re: Introverts Lounge (Extroverts Pls Keep Off !!) by ariklawani(f): 9:19pm On Jul 25, 2017
Am an Introvert. am not outgoing ,yet I always stay indoor watching Tv and making use of my phone when am not Working....I always need my time alone.Am often misunderstood .am quiet and private...plz,is there a lounge In Lagos for Introverts.?It will take an Introvert to understand me..

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Re: Introverts Lounge (Extroverts Pls Keep Off !!) by ariklawani(f): 9:24pm On Jul 25, 2017
corisande:
present! ! People think I'm a snub and not approachable I don't keep/have friends *boring*
Me too.thanks to my colleagues.that usually force me to mingle,
Re: Introverts Lounge (Extroverts Pls Keep Off !!) by ariklawani(f): 9:27pm On Jul 25, 2017
Being an Introvert is by nature. Most introverts are born in October and Mostly November.
Re: Introverts Lounge (Extroverts Pls Keep Off !!) by Giel: 10:32pm On Jul 25, 2017
I was always of the opinion that shyness and introversion were separate things, so to see here that shyness is being thought of as an attribute or a trait of introversion is surprising, likewise with social anxiety.
Introversion does not come with shyness and/or social anxiety, i don't think they are attributes or traits of introversion,
Anyone (Extroverts and introverts) can be shy or have social anxiety.
These are not traits nor attributes of introversion.

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Re: Introverts Lounge (Extroverts Pls Keep Off !!) by gidjah(m): 10:43pm On Jul 25, 2017
Giel:
I was always of the opinion that shyness and introversion were separate things, so to see here that shyness is being thought of as an attribute or a trait of introversion is surprising, likewise with social anxiety.
Introversion does not come with shyness and/or social anxiety, i don't think they are attributes or traits of introversion,
Anyone (Extroverts and introverts) can be shy or have social anxiety.
These are not traits nor attributes of introversion.
hmmmmmmm, this one is thought provoking sis, wanna lay more clarity on that, I can't remember ever meeting any 'shy extrovert'(though dosent mean they wouldn't be existing sha)
Re: Introverts Lounge (Extroverts Pls Keep Off !!) by gidjah(m): 10:54pm On Jul 25, 2017
ghanc23:
being an introvert has some disadvantages
I can start a conservation or maintain it
people tink am not easy going, proud and can't be discussed with
presently is affecting my marriage cos I need communication to keep going
it can be q bit complex for a lady in a marriage, she is gonna have lots of people to deal with,, lots of wars to conquer, and battles to fight beginning with her husband (if he is not the temperament understanding type), then in-laws.....then she will also need to deal with her kids...I have been talking with various homes with temperament kinds of mixtures, lots of homes have broken up through this chqllenges .but you are expected to improve with modificqtions gradually as kids begin to set in .
Re: Introverts Lounge (Extroverts Pls Keep Off !!) by Nobody: 10:56pm On Jul 25, 2017
DonOms:


It's very nice of you to share the article.

I, too, refrained from contributing to that little argument because I knew it was mostly a matter of opinion, choice-of-words and experience - all of which are relatively easily misinterpreted compared to facts. I'm glad everyone eventually made themselves clearer.

Speaking partly on your post and drawing general conclusions, I think it might make sense to agree that firstly, degree of introversion determines how much change (or acting) an introvert can embrace. And this then further break down to "finally" locating one's true 'identity position' on the continuum scale.

Secondly, introversion is introversion. It has its core nature but it also has peripheral attributes easily associated with it (e.g. Shyness, social anxiety, social withdrawal e.t.c.). While its core can never be changed nor outgrown (such as the need to recharge, and easily draining out in loud/large gatherings), some of the peripheral attributes get somewhat modified with change in personality, age, responsibility and/or environment.

So as a summary, yes, Introverts can get to act differently or change some things about them with time (as coping mechanisms) but cannot exactly 'outgrow' introversion in its core sense.

Exactly..
Re: Introverts Lounge (Extroverts Pls Keep Off !!) by Giel: 11:14pm On Jul 25, 2017
gidjah:
hmmmmmmm, this one is thought provoking sis, wanna lay more clarity on that, I can't remember ever meeting any 'shy extrovert'(though dosent mean they wouldn't be existing sha)
Are you asking me to elucidate on why I said shyness and social anxiety aren't the same thing with introversion or are you asking me to explain why I said there anyone (extroverts included) can be shy?
or on both?

I'm sorry for asking, I need to understand you better to be able to explain well, embarassed
Re: Introverts Lounge (Extroverts Pls Keep Off !!) by SaintMog(m): 2:29am On Jul 26, 2017
I will describe myself as 50/50. I start conversation well. I keep relationship but I hardly visit or go out on socials. Luckily for me, I'm a part time pastor in rccg. My being introverted assist me in study hence I have other commitments. But I'm trying now to up the 50% extro because I have just launched into entrepreneurship.

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Re: Introverts Lounge (Extroverts Pls Keep Off !!) by gidjah(m): 4:58pm On Jul 26, 2017
Giel:

Are you asking me to elucidate on why I said shyness and social anxiety aren't the same thing with introversion or are you asking me to explain why I said there anyone (extroverts included) can be shy?
or on both?

I'm sorry for asking, I need to understand you better to be able to explain well, embarassed
both please, thanks
Re: Introverts Lounge (Extroverts Pls Keep Off !!) by realtem(m): 5:17pm On Jul 26, 2017
Giel:

Are you asking me to elucidate on why I said shyness and social anxiety aren't the same thing with introversion or are you asking me to explain why I said there anyone (extroverts included) can be shy?
or on both?

I'm sorry for asking, I need to understand you better to be able to explain well, embarassed
kai, these introverts self grin, you're sorry for asking grin

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Re: Introverts Lounge (Extroverts Pls Keep Off !!) by Giel: 6:15pm On Jul 26, 2017
realtem:
kai, these introverts self grin, you're sorry for asking grin

It's not an introvert behaviour jare, has nothing to do with introversion, it's a nairaland/chatting thing,
I don't want anyone to misunderstand me and therefore reply me with anger or aggression.
Re: Introverts Lounge (Extroverts Pls Keep Off !!) by realtem(m): 6:33pm On Jul 26, 2017
Giel:


It's not an introvert behaviour jare, has nothing to do with introversion, it's a nairaland/chatting thing,
I don't want anyone to misunderstand me and therefore reply me with anger or aggression.
Yeah, wise... Still i can't help but laugh when i read it.
Re: Introverts Lounge (Extroverts Pls Keep Off !!) by Giel: 6:35pm On Jul 26, 2017
realtem:
Yeah, wise... Still i can't help but laugh when i read it.

Lol, cheesy it's allowed, laugh away

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Re: Introverts Lounge (Extroverts Pls Keep Off !!) by Giel: 7:17pm On Jul 26, 2017
gidjah:
both please, thanks
All right coming up
Re: Introverts Lounge (Extroverts Pls Keep Off !!) by Weezybaby: 10:21pm On Jul 26, 2017
Hello All, newbie here!! Searched for this thread cos I jus lost yet another friend ... needed something to show me am normal.. kiss
That's by the way.. hoping for some realness here!! wink
Re: Introverts Lounge (Extroverts Pls Keep Off !!) by DonOms(m): 10:29pm On Jul 26, 2017
Giel:
I was always of the opinion that shyness and introversion were separate things, so to see here that shyness is being thought of as an attribute or a trait of introversion is surprising, likewise with social anxiety.
Introversion does not come with shyness and/or social anxiety, i don't think they are attributes or traits of introversion,
Anyone (Extroverts and introverts) can be shy or have social anxiety.
These are not traits nor attributes of introversion.

Yes, your opinion is very correct and it is also 100% my opinion which I have shared here a number of times in the past (my previous posts on shyness and social anxiety are proof). To repeat, Introversion does not directly cause shyness and social anxiety, and are therefore not the same thing. Extroverts can very well suffer from shyness and social anxiety.

My post (response to GloryIsaac) associated introversion with shyness and social anxiety, but I didn't say shyness and social anxiety are characteristics of introversion.

DonOms:
... Secondly, introversion is introversion. It has its core nature but it also has peripheral attributes easily associated with it (e.g. Shyness, social anxiety, social withdrawal e.t.c.). While its core can never be changed nor outgrown (such as the need to recharge, and easily draining out in loud/large gatherings), some of the peripheral attributes get somewhat modified with change in personality, age, responsibility and/or environment.

As quoted again, I mentioned shyness and social anxiety are peripheral attributes (i.e. related to but not central to) EASILY ASSOCIATED (i.e. though not a part of, but commonly found together).
I intentionally used the term "peripheral attributes" because studies have shown over the years that more introverts than extroverts tend to suffer those things. And also to make clear to those saying "they outgrew introversion" that they were outgrowing something else and not exactly the 'bio-mental' nature of introversion in itself.

I did stress introversion in itself cannot be outgrown or changed but shyness and social anxiety can be 'outgrown' given certain factors.

I hope I have made my take clearer.

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Re: Introverts Lounge (Extroverts Pls Keep Off !!) by DonOms(m): 10:57pm On Jul 26, 2017
Weezybaby:
Hello All, newbie here!! Searched for this thread cos I jus lost yet another friend ... needed something to show me am normal.. kiss
That's by the way.. hoping for some realness here!! wink

Many introverts are notorious at losing friends as much as they are at not easily making them. You're as real as real comes even though you're among the minority in a loud extroverted world.

Welcome aboard!
Re: Introverts Lounge (Extroverts Pls Keep Off !!) by DonOms(m): 10:59pm On Jul 26, 2017
realtem:
kai, these introverts self grin, you're sorry for asking grin

Lol. She's just being very polite.
Re: Introverts Lounge (Extroverts Pls Keep Off !!) by ekele99(m): 12:51am On Jul 27, 2017
Re: Introverts Lounge (Extroverts Pls Keep Off !!) by Dsholla: 8:52am On Jul 27, 2017
Haylo my introv family! I guess we cld create a whatsapp forum to enable us pour our heartache, memories and experiences for closer monitoring and advices.... more like i cnt relate with any sort of pple except those who understand and knws how I feel
Re: Introverts Lounge (Extroverts Pls Keep Off !!) by Nobody: 3:53pm On Jul 27, 2017
Yes....

Hello all...
been seeing this thread but just read through some few pages of late. didnt know it was this interesting

I am a newbie... lipsrsealed

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Re: Introverts Lounge (Extroverts Pls Keep Off !!) by DonOms(m): 3:58pm On Jul 27, 2017
Because Introversion has almost always been mistaken for social awkwardness Shyness and some disorders such as Social Anxiety Disorder, Avoidant Personality Disorder and even Social Phobia, I thought it cool to do a concise expository on the matter.

The latin words from which Introversion was derived is translated as "To turn Inwards." And this means to "withdraw from the world and keep one own's company and focus on internal thoughts and feelings."

While extroverts gain energy in social gatherings, introverts expend (use up) energy. This is why introverts tend to quickly retreat to solitude at every opportunity; it's often referred to as "to recharge." The reason for this is largely attributed to the Reticular Activating System in the brain which is responsible for arousal levels. In introverts, arousal levels are very high compared to extroverts. This means the introvert absorbs plenty information from the environment whereas the extrovert doesn't as much. Dopamine also plays its role too but this will get longer if it is discussed.

The cause of the biggest confusion about introversion is probably because people think everyone has to be either fully introverted or fully extroverted. This has never been so. According to Dr. Carl G. Jung, no human can be completely introvert or completely extrovert. It is also rumoured that Dr. Jung said anyone who thinks otherwise is probably mad.
We all exist along a continuum. So the idea is that introversion has degree.



Traits of introversion include Thoughtfulness, Self-Awareness, Private Emotions, Observant, Enjoys Solitude and Quiet around unfamiliar people/environment.

Shyness is defined as the social awkwardness characterised by fear and embarrassment while in the company of other people. Shy people avoid interactions wth other people just like introverts but for different reasons. The introvert can interact just fine without fear, anxiety or embarrassment but simply avoids it because it is demanding and tedious and "seems unnecessary."

So the shy person wants company but finds it difficult to make it happen while the introvert CAN INTERACT JUST FINE BUT DOESN'T WANT TO - He/She simply doesn't want it and doesn't secretly crave it (this is why an introvert is completely fine with being confined to a room for weeks without feeling a lack of company).
Just as leadership is easily associated to extroverts (though introverts can be excellent leaders too) it is in similar way that shyness is associated with introverts (yes, there are plenty shy extroverts). So introverts are neither inherently shy nor socially anxious.

Almost all extroverts find it hard to grasp the introversion concept and hence call introverts all sorts like shy, awkward, social disordered etc. They also can hardly understand why an introvert locks him/herself up in a room for hours or even days without missing other's company.
You should know though, many introverts like being around people they are close to and interact well with them. More importantly, they enjoy deep and meaningful conversations with familiar people.

In the hope that this doesn't look ridiculously too long, I hope I have been able to put clarity into the differences between introversion and shyness; and why the confusion about introverts seems to persist.

References:
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-origin-of-the-word-introversion

https://www.verywell.com/signs-you-are-an-introvert-2795427

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Re: Introverts Lounge (Extroverts Pls Keep Off !!) by DonOms(m): 12:13pm On Jul 28, 2017
Dsholla:
Haylo my introv family! I guess we cld create a whatsapp forum to enable us pour our heartache, memories and experiences for closer monitoring and advices.... more like i cnt relate with any sort of pple except those who understand and knws how I feel

Hello Dsholla,

The What'sApp group had often been suggested here but unfortunately, a number of us feel it isn't necessary since many introverts like it private and also because this thread seem adequate enough. However, if you do create such group and announce here, those who do not mind can join.
Re: Introverts Lounge (Extroverts Pls Keep Off !!) by DonOms(m): 12:14pm On Jul 28, 2017
wonderfulwonder:
Yes....

Hello all...
been seeing this thread but just read through some few pages of late. didnt know it was this interesting

I am a newbie... lipsrsealed

It can be very interesting and informative, yes.
You're welcome.

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