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Re: Is Catholics Praying To Dead Saints Biblical? by easymancfc(m): 4:51pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
blueAgent: It is your adventist heresy that doesnt square with all of scripture... if you're afraid of hell or are looking for comfort then fine.... You interpret eternal reward as lasting forever but the punishment will only be for a while quoting unrelated or out of context old testament verses... your argument and interpretation is not consistent with what all the bible says... it is consistent only with Ellen White Heresy and fear of hell... The bible is clear... Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be TORMENTED NIGHT AND DAY FOREVER AND EVER... rev 14: 11 and the smoke of their TORMENT ASCENDETH UP FOREVER AND EVER : and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. Go and take old testament incomplete revelation and use it to disprove what Jesus says and reveals to your own peril.. |
Re: Is Catholics Praying To Dead Saints Biblical? by easymancfc(m): 4:55pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
blueAgent: Lol..... doest change the deduction... if revelation is not written in chronological order then your new heaven and new earth theory falls flat on its face... secondly the lake of fire was not mention to be destroyed in the narrative... |
Re: Is Catholics Praying To Dead Saints Biblical? by easymancfc(m): 5:02pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
blueAgent: Cherry picking and out of context If that were true... then the wicked should just be annihilated after judgement... death here is the second death... and what is the second death THE LAKE OF FIRE... Rev 21: 8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. TAKE NOTE IT SAYS HAVE THEIR PART.. NOT ANNIHILATED OR DESTROYED OR DIE OR BE KILLED.. What is eternal life its not just to live forever.. it is ETERNITY WITH GOD... |
Re: Is Catholics Praying To Dead Saints Biblical? by easymancfc(m): 5:17pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
blueAgent: ALL YOU HAVE DONE IS LOOK FOR THE EASY WAT OUT... CHERRY PICKING OLD TESTAMENT VERSES THAT TALK ABOUT DESTRUCTION ETC OUT OF CONTEXT... MY CHURCHES FAKE DOCTRINE? THAT WOULD BE TRUE IF ONLY MY CHURCH HAS THAT DOCTRINE... BUT 90 % OF CHRISTIANITY CORRECTLY HOLDS THAT DOCTRINE... AND CHRISTIANITY AS A WHOLE HAS HAD THAT DOCTRINE FOR 1900 YRS UNTIL YOUR 19TH CENTURY HERESY CAME IN... A PLACE ACCORDING TO JESUS WAS PREPARED FOR THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS AND ALL THOSE WHO FOLLOW HIM... TO BE FOR ETERNITY mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into EVERLASTING FIRE, PREPARED FOR THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS: WHICH THE JESUS ALSO AFFIRMS WITH HIS REVELATION TO JOHN THAT INDEED THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS AND ALL THEY HAVE DECEIVED WILL SUFFER TOGETHER INDEED IN THE LAKE OF FIRE... Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be TORMENTED NIGHT AND DAY FOREVERAND EVER... rev 14: 11 and the smoke of their TORMENT ASCENDETH UP FOREVER AND EVER : and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. DONT CHERRY PICK VERSES THAT SUPPORT YOUR OWN PRECONCEIVED NOTION... UNLESS YOU CAN SHOW WHERE THE LAKE OF FIRE IS QUENCHED THEN I CAN BELIEVE YOU... |
Re: Is Catholics Praying To Dead Saints Biblical? by blueAgent(m): 10:00am On Aug 11, 2017 |
easymancfc: You are the one cherry picking. i asked you to explain the meaning of Eziekel 28:1-end without quoting another bible verse. I know you cannot it will expose your flaw. |
Re: Is Catholics Praying To Dead Saints Biblical? by blueAgent(m): 10:03am On Aug 11, 2017 |
easymancfc: You looking for an easy way out by accussing me of what you are doing. why not explain to me how the Sinners will be ashes and still be burning. |
Re: Is Catholics Praying To Dead Saints Biblical? by blueAgent(m): 10:04am On Aug 11, 2017 |
easymancfc: You looking for an easy way out by accussing me of what you are doing. why not explain to me how the Sinners will be ashes and still be burning. Your argument just exposed you. slowly re-read you comment above. 1 Like |
Re: Is Catholics Praying To Dead Saints Biblical? by easymancfc(m): 10:57am On Aug 11, 2017 |
blueAgent: I pointed out your error correctly... Sinners in the context of the psalm will be ashes... whatever that is material or perishable when burnt with fire will be ashes... |
Re: Is Catholics Praying To Dead Saints Biblical? by easymancfc(m): 11:01am On Aug 11, 2017 |
blueAgent: So when you accuse me of Cherry picking then its fine but when I accuse you of it.. then I'm looking for the easy way out... congratulations on setting double standards... I just called you out on what you have been doing since... quoting old testament out of context and cherry picking verses to support your Adventist views .. there's nothing to expose ... the Bible tells what that the death which is the wages of sin is the second death... and we know from the bible that the second death is not annihilation... |
Re: Is Catholics Praying To Dead Saints Biblical? by easymancfc(m): 11:05am On Aug 11, 2017 |
blueAgent: LOL.. I taught you said earlier that some Bible verses explain others or that the bible as whole makes more sense... So why do you emphasize Ezekiel 28 alone... Then you should take mat 25:41 alone or Rev 20;14 alone or rev 21:8 alone, or Dan 12:2 alone.. you won't... because you know it will expose your own heresy... |
Re: Is Catholics Praying To Dead Saints Biblical? by easymancfc(m): 12:15pm On Aug 11, 2017 |
blueAgent: There is a fundamental flaw in your pressupposition that puts your argument in error.. Your interpret the old testament incomplete revelation to interpret clear complete new testament revelation.. Instead of using complete new testament revelation to interpret the old testament incomplete revelation... So you cannot use Ezekiel to tell what Revelation is saying instead you Revelation to tell what Ezekiel is saying... The fullness of Revelation is in Jesus Christ that's why the bible says in Heb 1: 1 In many and various ways God spoke of old to our fathers by the prophets; 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by a Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world. AND JESUS SAYS to his disciplines about Judgement mat 25:41 Then he will say to those at his left hand, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels; to John in Revelation.. rev 20:10 and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night for ever and ever. SO YES I BELIEVE WHAT JESUS SAYS BECAUSE IT IS CLEAR AND I DONT NEED INCOMPLETE REVELATION OF EZEKIEL OR PSALM TO UNDERSTAND CLEAR COMPLETE REVELATION FROM THE SON OF GOD HIMSELF.. EVEN THE DEVILS KNOW THEIR OWN FATE.. Mat 8:29 And behold, they cried out, “What have you to do with us, O Son of God? Have you come here to torment us before the time?” THEY KNOW THEIR FATE IS ETERNAL TORMENT NOT ANNIHILATION |
Re: Is Catholics Praying To Dead Saints Biblical? by blueAgent(m): 2:03pm On Aug 11, 2017 |
easymancfc: HaHaHaHaHaHa .......I cann't laugh enough. Really!!!!!!! Am done with your ingnorance go ahead and worship mary and all the dead saints aswell as continue in all your fake doctrine My joy is that you would answer for it. Bye |
Re: Is Catholics Praying To Dead Saints Biblical? by easymancfc(m): 2:30pm On Aug 11, 2017 |
blueAgent:Lol... back to the same Cliche of Ignorance and Mary Worship... when you have nothing else to say Anyway...For the Millionth time.. I don't worship Mary and I never told you I did.. SO STOP LYING AGAINST MY BELIEF Continue also in your Soul sleep heresy and Fear of Hell false doctrines... AND P.S. 90% of Christians don't share your heresies.. neither did historic Christianity.. so don't assume its only a Catholic thing WE ALL WILL ANSWER FOR OURSELVES... SO WORRY ABOUT YOUR OWN JUDGEMENT AND LET ME WORRY ABOUT MINE... BYE |
Re: Is Catholics Praying To Dead Saints Biblical? by Horlufemi(m): 3:39pm On Aug 11, 2017 |
blueAgent: My guy, my guy. You have the clear understanding. God bless you |
Re: Is Catholics Praying To Dead Saints Biblical? by Tampinu(m): 11:16pm On Aug 14, 2017 |
blueAgent: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHnwtlUFXkc FIRE FI THE VATICAN!!! BLOOD FI THE POPE HEAD!!!
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Re: Is Catholics Praying To Dead Saints Biblical? by Tampinu(m): 11:45pm On Aug 15, 2017 |
easymancfc: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYR7OWh1J9A&list=PL5ABAC74848629107&index=14 |
Re: Is Catholics Praying To Dead Saints Biblical? by Tampinu(m): 11:51pm On Aug 15, 2017 |
Tampinu:
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Re: Is Catholics Praying To Dead Saints Biblical? by blueAgent(m): 1:41pm On Aug 18, 2017 |
Horlufemi: Thanks Bro. |
Re: Is Catholics Praying To Dead Saints Biblical? by BlueAngel444: 2:14pm On Aug 18, 2017 |
https://www.nairaland.com/3992671/tithing-truth-history-origin-catholic https://www.nairaland.com/3992834/malachis-prophecy CcblueAgent; Horlufemi;Tampinu; easymancfc Verify what the Catholic Church and present day church is about. A lot of gross misinterpretation of Scripture has lead many to hell |
Re: Is Catholics Praying To Dead Saints Biblical? by Tampinu(m): 10:07am On Aug 21, 2017 |
BlueAngel444: Concerning the Roman Catholic church, read the Book of Romans 1:21 |
Re: Is Catholics Praying To Dead Saints Biblical? by Tampinu(m): 6:41pm On Sep 18, 2017 |
Tampinu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-UiMmiQwVQ
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Re: Is Catholics Praying To Dead Saints Biblical? by Tampinu(m): 10:35am On Sep 23, 2017 |
easymancfc: Yes you're Right, Ethiopia also has good christian antiquity but then again so does Antioch, Ephesus, Rome, Galatia, Thessalonica etc.. . So which part of the Old Testament was the above regions (in bold) mentioned? Ahhh Which means they did not come into consideration until in the new Testament. Read between the lines my friend! Roman ass licker!
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Re: Is Catholics Praying To Dead Saints Biblical? by Tampinu(m): 10:40am On Sep 23, 2017 |
blueAgent: But the Bible says in Hebrews 11:1 that faith is evidence of things unseen, so if you have Faith, you will see it. If you believe you will see it, if you accept, you will see it; not the other way round!
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Re: Is Catholics Praying To Dead Saints Biblical? by easymancfc(m): 1:29pm On Sep 23, 2017 |
Tampinu:What does it matter if Ethiopia was mentioned in the old testament and Rome or Antioch or Ephesus was not... That doesn't prove anything... The fact still remains that according to the Bible... CHRISTIANITY BEGUN IN ISREAL BY JESUS CHRIST AND THE CHURCH STARTED IN JERUSALEM ON THE DAY OF PENTECOST, THEN SPREAD TO ANTIOCH, EPHESUS, ROME, THESSALONICA WITH THE PREACHING OF THE APOSTLES.. THE CHURCHES IN THESE PLACES ARE MENTIONED IN THE BIBLE (Jerusalem, Antioch, Thessaloniki, Corinth, Colossae, Rome etc) BUT ETHIOPIA IS NOT... IF IT WAS SO IMPORTANT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN MENTIONED IN BIBLICAL TIMES.. BUY APART FROM THE EUNUCH'S EXPERIENCE WITH PHILIP, NOTHING ELSE IS HEARD OF ETHIOPIA IN THE NEW TESTAMENT... When Christianity was made the religion of the Axum Ethiopian empire in 330 the Emperor Ezana sent to Athanasius in Alexandria to appoint a bishop for them... If Ethiopia is the cradle of Christianity then why do that?? no need for foul language or insults... |
Re: Is Catholics Praying To Dead Saints Biblical? by Tampinu(m): 7:37pm On Sep 23, 2017 |
easymancfc: If you are tracing the roots of christianity does it not make sense to consider which civilisations and Kingdoms were first exposed to Christianity/Faith/Spirituality? So basically, you are telling us that Ethiopia was mentioned in the Bible in Genesis 2:13 and then there was a void until the Romans and the others came into consideration in the New Testament? So wwhat did you have to say about the book of Romans to which I made repeated references ? Answer the question's question! Or you are trying to be clever without be being smart? This isnot about foul language or insults, it's called calling a spade a spade. Rasta don't suffer fools! Learn that! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ng6_SoWxBhQ
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Re: Is Catholics Praying To Dead Saints Biblical? by Tampinu(m): 7:52pm On Sep 23, 2017 |
easymancfc: Sothere was no Christianity until the day of the pentecoste, eh? Bearing in mind that even Jesus stated that He did not come to change the laws but to fulfil them. so the prophesies of David and Isaiah regading Christ e.g, Psalm 22 and Isaiah 41 were written for whom and in reference to whom? So Isaiah and King David are not Christians, innit? Well then, is even Jesus Christ a Christian? There you go, you are just getting tied up with your own long silky rope (Kiss myteeth!) Read the Bible again from genesis with an open mind and clear conscience then we can resume this discussion. Cha! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_hl50bzxvQ
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Re: Is Catholics Praying To Dead Saints Biblical? by easymancfc(m): 8:21pm On Sep 23, 2017 |
Tampinu: As a matter of fact there was no Christianity before Jesus, Christianity started with Jesus Christ's Incarnation.. What is a Christianity?? It is An Abrahamic religion based on the teachings of Jesus Christ and various scholars who wrote the Christian Bible. So before Jesus there was no Christianity.. What they had was Judaism... the prophecies were written for the Jews in expectance of the messiah.. but the messianic religion (Christianity) is different from Judaism.. King David and Isaiah were not Christians, they believed in God, but they were not Christians, A Christian is a follower of Christ. before Christ there was no Christianity... You are the one who needs to read the Bible again.. My dear... |
Re: Is Catholics Praying To Dead Saints Biblical? by easymancfc(m): 8:35pm On Sep 23, 2017 |
Tampinu: you're right it makes sense to consider such civilizations.. but the first to experience Christianity were the Jews and then the various cities under the roman empire.. It started in Israel and spread from Jerusalem to Antioch, colossae, Rome, Ephesus, Corinth etc by the Apostles... there is nothing in early Christian activities about Ethiopia in the new testament apart from the Ethiopian eunuch... Yes Ethiopia is mentioned in Gen 2: 13 not because it is the cradle of Christianity but because a river (Gihon) passed through it.. It was merely used as a landmark for description.. nothing else... There's no void.. Jesus sent his apostles to preach.. two of them went to Rome and established a church there.. I am still waiting for the proof that the Ethiopian canon predates hippo and Carthage.. Give me documents with dates.. thank you.. |
Re: Is Catholics Praying To Dead Saints Biblical? by Tampinu(m): 8:45pm On Sep 23, 2017 |
easymancfc:You havejust hit the nail on the head! Your answers have caused me to halt, turn and lead us in another direction totally. At least we nowhave an agreement that Jesus was no Christian by you admitting that Christians follow Christ, whereas even Christ did not follow Christ! He taught us in the Lord's prayer to pray that "Our Father...", so Christ is not a Christian and Christ's faith and spiritualpractices was same as that of King David, Isaiah, Samuel, Jacob etc Which means certain "Christian" Canons are fraud and as it was in the begining, so shall it be in the end. As Adam and Eve were in thebegining without any "Christian" churches or canons, but with spirituality, so shall it bein the end. Now the conflict arises due to the fact that this is the end, andinstead of focusing ons pirituality, ones and ones are pre-occupied with religion e.g, The Messianic religion, The Christian religion, the so so and so religion and Canon. The point being that as it was in Ethiopia since day one, so shall it be in this last days and so it is already except that certain ones do not recognise ree. But for those who know, the fulfilment is already taking place. Jesus did his prayers and meditation based on ancient Ethiopian tradition and that is what Imean by Ethiopian cultural/Oral/Text/Written/Documents on spirituality and faith predates ANYTHING fromanywhere else in the world. Except die-hard AFricans with a slave mentality who still believe that the White race are spiritually or religiously superior to Africans especially where Christianity is concerned.
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Re: Is Catholics Praying To Dead Saints Biblical? by Tampinu(m): 8:51pm On Sep 23, 2017 |
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Re: Is Catholics Praying To Dead Saints Biblical? by Tampinu(m): 8:54pm On Sep 23, 2017 |
easymancfc: “The temple of the most high begins with the body which houses our life, the essence of our existence. Africans are in bondage today because they approach spirituality through religion provided by foreign invaders and conquerors. We must stop confusing religion and spirituality. Religion is a set of rules, regulations and rituals created by humans, which was suppose to help people grow spiritually. Due to human imperfection religion has become corrupt, political, divisive and a tool for power struggle. Spirituality is not theology or ideology. It is simply a way of life, pure and original as was given by the Most High of Creation. Spirituality is a network linking us to the Most High, the universe, and each other…” ― Haile Selassie I
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Re: Is Catholics Praying To Dead Saints Biblical? by Tampinu(m): 8:57pm On Sep 23, 2017 |
Tampinu: Africans are in bondage today because they approach spirituality through religion provided by foreign invaders and conquerors. We must stop confusing religion and spirituality. Religion is a set of rules, regulations and rituals created by humans, which was suppose to help people grow spiritually.
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