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Re: The Damage Tribalism Has Done To Nigeria by Opakan2: 1:24pm On Aug 12, 2017 |
Tribalism started in Igboland, take it or leave it.. look at how backward the region is today due to tribalism. What you're witnessing now is awareness and exposure of the average igbo man lifestyle all thanks to social media and technology. The eras of "I before others" and "dominate others in their lands" are long over. Wake up and smell the coffee 1 Like |
Re: The Damage Tribalism Has Done To Nigeria by deedeedee1: 1:39pm On Aug 12, 2017 |
obailala:A leader does not have to make tribalistic statements before he gets support from his tribesmen. The leaders you accuse are products of the society that you and i were raised. We are all tribalistic and this is fact! There is nothing wrong with that though if you ask me. Tribalism is one's love for his tribe. Tribalism is same with patriotism. If as a Yorubaman, i contest for presidency against an Igboman, i dont need to make hate speeches against Igbos before i get the trust of my people. I also do not need anybody to tell me the Igbo man will defeat me in his land. Tribalism is not caused by leaders. Tribalism is Nature. 1 Like |
Re: The Damage Tribalism Has Done To Nigeria by obailala(m): 2:15pm On Aug 12, 2017 |
deedeedee1:It may be caused by nature, but it is the duty of leaders to wisely tone down its destructive effects. In 1999, Nigeria was not up to a tenth as tribally and religiously divided as it is today. Are you then suggesting that human nature has evolved between 1999 and 2017?... The answer is a blatant NO! Tribalism has increased in geometric proportions over the years because of the diabolic greed and ineptitude of leaders who directly promote it for their self interests. If that greed and ineptitude is not tackled, even if you divide Nigeria into 1000 parts, each of those 1000 constituent parts would still have the same elements of destructive tribalism. 1 Like |
Re: The Damage Tribalism Has Done To Nigeria by NOETHNICITY(m): 2:16pm On Aug 12, 2017 |
obailala:The man needs to be educated further about tribalism even in(among) yoruba tribes. The Ife and Modakeke war isn't too distant in recent history. There is currently tribal war between 2yoruba comunities of Kwara state in Erinkle village. that clash has claimed lives. There is also constant clash between Ofa and Erinle also in Kwara state even though both communities speak same language and ve same culture.. |
Re: The Damage Tribalism Has Done To Nigeria by jahsharon: 2:20pm On Aug 12, 2017 |
Nbote: You are .. .... What about the tribe that was in government for 6 years and for the period looted and shared our resources more than past looters ever did? Politics is a game of numbers, bring forth your candidate, contest elections and the winner leads the country. |
Re: The Damage Tribalism Has Done To Nigeria by NOETHNICITY(m): 2:24pm On Aug 12, 2017 |
deedeedee1:Forget it, tribalism is not nature. tribalism is local. hence Africa continues irredeemably on its way to backwardness. tribal attachment brings nothing gudto the table. Breeds hate and nepotism. I detest tribalism and I hate pple who promote it |
Re: The Damage Tribalism Has Done To Nigeria by deedeedee1: 2:32pm On Aug 12, 2017 |
obailala:Why will the leaders try to promote tribalism if we are united? This does not make sense to me. If we are united, then the leaders will not have to use our disunity to their advantage. Yes you are right. We have stereotypes in Yorubaland, but they wont be as worse as Nigeria's. We Yorubas speak same language, practice same culture, originate from same ancestors, bear same names e.t.c You cant eradicate tribalism in Nigeria. We are Naturally not united. We must accept this |
Re: The Damage Tribalism Has Done To Nigeria by obailala(m): 2:34pm On Aug 12, 2017 |
NOETHNICITY:Absolutely! Even within the same state, people not only discriminate each other, but they even go ahead to murder each other, yet someone thinks the ultimate solution to tribalism is separating big tribes from each other and not good leadership. If an Ife man feels reluctant to employ a Modakeke man in his office, that's already clear tribal or should I say, community discrimination. |
Re: The Damage Tribalism Has Done To Nigeria by obailala(m): 2:35pm On Aug 12, 2017 |
deedeedee1:And who do you think should promote and ensure that unity if not the leaders?... Who do you even think creates and fuels that disunity if not for the same greedy diabolic self centred leaders?... The leaders always blame 'the other tribe' as the source of the problems when addressing their people; as long as these leaders aren't checked, even when you split the country into 100 parts, the same leaders woupd still find a way of blaming the other tribe/group/region/state/LGA etc and they still promote the same disunity even on a micro level. |
Re: The Damage Tribalism Has Done To Nigeria by deedeedee1: 2:40pm On Aug 12, 2017 |
NOETHNICITY:People dont promote tribalism. Tribalism is nature. Why are European countries not diverse like African's? This is because they want to reduce tribalism, hate, nepostism and promote peace and prosperity. European countries are split through ethnic lines |
Re: The Damage Tribalism Has Done To Nigeria by obailala(m): 2:41pm On Aug 12, 2017 |
deedeedee1:who told you European countries are perfectly split along ethnic lines? |
Re: The Damage Tribalism Has Done To Nigeria by deedeedee1: 2:46pm On Aug 12, 2017 |
obailala:Leader cannot promote unity. The society can. Nigeria has never been united since its creation. We only deceive ourselves about "one Nigeria". If we are one, we would not need to say it. I have never heard of "one Yoruba" before. It is high time we face reality and stop deceiving ourselves. |
Re: The Damage Tribalism Has Done To Nigeria by deedeedee1: 2:58pm On Aug 12, 2017 |
obailala:Many European countries are split along ethnic lines. Germany and Austrians are same Germans. Italy, Norway, Iceland, Greece, Malta, Poland. Czech republic, Sweden, Denmark, Netherlands, ireland e.t.c Even the uk is split along ethnic lines. England for English people, northern Ireland for Irish people, wales for welsh Ethnic. So yeah, most European countries are either mono-ethnic or have one ethnic making up about 90 percent of the population. Some Asian countries are also like this Yoruba, Igbos, and Hausas are very large Nations that can survive on their own. 2 Likes |
Re: The Damage Tribalism Has Done To Nigeria by obailala(m): 3:13pm On Aug 12, 2017 |
deedeedee1:Huh!?.. And who pilots the affairs and chooses the direction of society? |
Re: The Damage Tribalism Has Done To Nigeria by Nowenuse: 4:10pm On Aug 12, 2017 |
freshest4live: A single major religion would only have reduced the friction to an extent, but it would still not stop it in total Tanzania is 50/50 muslim-christian divided, yet, most Tanzanians value/exhort their national identity over religion. While countries like Kenya, Uganda, Congo, Senegal, Mali, Guinea e.t.c with a single major religion are having serious issues of tribalism. |
Re: The Damage Tribalism Has Done To Nigeria by Nowenuse: 4:32pm On Aug 12, 2017 |
Sapiosexuality: deedeedee1: You guys misintepreted my comment to an extent, especially deedeedee1. I am in no way advocating for the continued monolithic existence of Nigeria. All i am trying to stress is the fact that we cannot eat our cakes and have it. Sometimes in life, you must drop one thing in order to pick up another. There is no way Nationality and Ethnicity/religion can be equally promoted in a country. One must superceed the other and one must be strengthened over the weakness of the other. Nigerians must decide which system we are ready to work with and stick with it. We cannot be claiming we do not want tribalism in Nigeria and at the same time be promoting Ethnicity and Ethnic pride. It can never work that way. Look at Northern Nigeria today, It is more united than Southern Nigeria, and why is this so? This is simply because Northerners promoted Arewa identity (regional identity) over individual Ethnic identities and it worked perfectly for them and made them the giant of Nigeria. You can never or hardly find anything like 'Hausa women union, Kanuri students group, Fulani youth association'. NO, all you find is 'Arewa this and Arewa that'. This is why tribalism and tribal politics/discrimination is almost non-existent in the north (core-north) especially. Kano is a Hausa state, but a Nupe man from Niger state has been the governor, A kanuri man from Borno has been the governor, a fulani has been the governor. Can this happen in Southern Nigeria? Hell NO! But the expense of this is that a lot of Northerners have lost their ethnic prides, cultures and traditions and many northern languages are going extinct to Hausa. This is my point. You cannot eat your cake and have it. Nigerians need to negotiate and redefine what we want. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Damage Tribalism Has Done To Nigeria by NOETHNICITY(m): 5:00pm On Aug 12, 2017 |
deedeedee1:What do u plan to do with the Ijaws in the oil rich part of Ondo, Ogun and Lagos? For ur info the Ijaws ve already rejected to live under any form of oduduwa republic. I hope u know this? |
Re: The Damage Tribalism Has Done To Nigeria by mikolo80: 5:42pm On Aug 12, 2017 |
deedeedee1:you know |
Re: The Damage Tribalism Has Done To Nigeria by deedeedee1: 6:45pm On Aug 12, 2017 |
NOETHNICITY:Ijaws are not indigenes of Ogun, Lagos, and Ondo. So i give no ffuuckk about them 2 Likes |
Re: The Damage Tribalism Has Done To Nigeria by Nowenuse: 7:18pm On Aug 12, 2017 |
deedeedee1: Seriously, why are you behaving like a bitter teenager? Can't you speak in a mature manner void of sentimental/emotional outburst? Tribalism can be eradicated in an ethnically diverse country, yes, it happened in Tanzania. It also is the case in much of Northern Nigeria. If religion, regionalism or Nationality is promoted over ethnicity, watch tribalism die a natural death. |
Re: The Damage Tribalism Has Done To Nigeria by Nowenuse: 7:34pm On Aug 12, 2017 |
obailala: Thank you very much. Deedeedee1 appears like someone who cannot face facts and reality juxtaposed together. Yorubas, Igbos or Hausas may appear as one on the national level, but on the local level, they have their own internal difference, which if not curtailed could even be worse than the outside differences. I am not a Nationalist or 'One Nigerianist', but i know that even if you give the Igbos or Yorubas their own seperate countries, they would still have to promote the same Nationalism or the Pan Igbo/yoruba ethnic identity in order to make their respective nations undivided. If not, within a short time, tribalism will instantly begin among the Subgroups. Ijebu people may start claiming superiority over others. We can see the bitter rivalry between Egba and Ijebu people in Ogun state. Muslims and traditionalists who almost clashed violently in Osun state. Ife vs Modakeke. In Igbo land, the same thing. Nkanu vs Nsukka people in Enugu state, Aguleri vs Umuleri in Anambra, Izzi-Ezza clashes in Ebonyi, Ngwa against Others in Abia state. Abia state govt sacking all Imo state indigenes. So, we are still saying the same thing. The most politically unstable and chaotic African nation (aside S. Sudan), Somalia, is a mono ethnic and mono religious nation, guess what divides them? Clannism! Some clans claim to be superior to other clans inspite of the fact that they are one same ethnicity, religion, ancestry and what have you. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: The Damage Tribalism Has Done To Nigeria by Nowenuse: 7:38pm On Aug 12, 2017 |
deedeedee1: Then pls, start the radical evangelism of seperatism to your own people. Yorubas are one of the biggest supporters of One Nigeria, especially the yoruba muslims. Ranting on nairaland is not enough. 90% of yorubas still prefer one Nigeria. |
Re: The Damage Tribalism Has Done To Nigeria by Nowenuse: 7:42pm On Aug 12, 2017 |
deedeedee1: What about Switzerland & Belgium? Are they mono-ethnic? NO, yet they are even more peaceful and progressive than most mono-ethnic European nations. |
Re: The Damage Tribalism Has Done To Nigeria by deedeedee1: 7:53pm On Aug 12, 2017 |
Nowenuse:You cannot promote Nationalism over tribalism. Tribalism is someone's love for his/her tribe. Why do you keep mentioning Tanzania? What about other African countries? Lols! Northern Nigeria? You are joking right? The North only seem united because(1) Hausas are the only largest ethnic group unlike the south where we have 2 (2) They are united for two things which are Crude oil and access to sea! They know that without the south, things will not go easy for them. The north are not united in anyway. You have not heard of the crises betweed the Tivs and Fulanis? What of Kanuri's boko haram? You cant promote Nationality above someone else's native language and culture. If it was that easy, then Nigeria would have suceeded. Even the Hausas that shout "one Nigeria" everywhere wont encourage such bullshhit! |
Re: The Damage Tribalism Has Done To Nigeria by deedeedee1: 8:11pm On Aug 12, 2017 |
Nowenuse:Belgium is not monoethnic but the indigenous french and dutch speaking tribes do not like themselves. They have been able to caution themselves a little due to (1) The two tribes have big brothers in seperate nations. (2) There are just three ethnic groups in Belgium namely: (a) French making up 30 percent of the country, (b) Dutch ethnic making up 58-60 percent of the country, (c) German ethnic making up 1 percent. The French and Dutch speaking people dont get along 1 Like |
Re: The Damage Tribalism Has Done To Nigeria by Ilemona93(m): 8:39pm On Aug 12, 2017 |
If tribalism and religious sentiment can be erase from this country will be Number best country in d world |
Re: The Damage Tribalism Has Done To Nigeria by NOETHNICITY(m): 8:46pm On Aug 12, 2017 |
deedeedee1:what is this one even saying? Are u u so ignorant? Why am I even exchanging opinion with u. |
Re: The Damage Tribalism Has Done To Nigeria by obailala(m): 8:54pm On Aug 12, 2017 |
Nowenuse:God bless you very well for this. I could never had said it better. I just find it ridiculous when people keep proffering balkanisation of the nation as the 'only' solution to tribalism and the nepotism that comes with it. My common sense tells me that when you eliminate tribal differences, then we will all realise how strong the division which exists along clannish lines also is. And until we tackle the real problem which is a lack of responsible leadership, we would just keep splitting and splitting every nation until we get down to even the family level. 1 Like |
Re: The Damage Tribalism Has Done To Nigeria by Demmzy15(m): 9:06pm On Aug 12, 2017 |
Nowenuse:Who made you the spokesperson for Yoruba Muslims? Virtually all the Yoruba Muslims I know on Nairaland are of the opinion that Nigeria should split, not because of hate or selfishness but for the greater good. I'm always annoyed when you guys make annoying rhetorics like "especially Yoruba Muslims" **spits ** 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: The Damage Tribalism Has Done To Nigeria by Proudlyngwa(m): 9:56pm On Aug 12, 2017 |
deedeedee1: Tribalism might be nature But Tribal bigotry is not. And one thing too, nature can be abused. |
Re: The Damage Tribalism Has Done To Nigeria by omohayek: 10:35pm On Aug 12, 2017 |
Demmzy15:You're wasting your time even attempting to rebut these sorts of cretins, who need to have imaginary enemies at hand to "explain" away all their failures and frustrations in life. "Yoruba Muslim" just happens to be a compounding of the two groups these hate-filled imbeciles fear the most. Personally, I think one of the best arguments for the splitting up of Nigeria is the relentless idiotic bleatings of the cretins whose every response to criticism is to scream "Afonja"; at least then one could get rid of these nuisances once and for all, while they would have to find new scapegoats for their personal failures once they no longer had "Afonjas" and "Yoruba Muslims" close at hand to blame for all their setbacks. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Damage Tribalism Has Done To Nigeria by deedeedee1: 10:38pm On Aug 12, 2017 |
Proudlyngwa:What has being a tribal bigot got to do with the topic? 1 Like |
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