vaxx:
if an atheist become agonist... Then the world change to atheist agonist... Which is the same thing as atheist (without God)why? Agnostic atheism is a philosophical position that encompasses both atheism and agnosticism. Agnostic atheists are atheistic because they do not hold a belief in the existence of any deity and agnostic because they claim that the existence of a deity is either unknowable in principle or currently unknown in fact not just abrahimic god

stop this circumlocution

which part of my post do you disagree with?

vaxx:
if an atheist become agonist... Then the world change to atheist agonist... Which is the same thing as atheist (without God)why? Agnostic atheism is a philosophical position that encompasses both atheism and agnosticism. Agnostic atheists are atheistic because they do not hold a belief in the existence of any deity and agnostic because they claim that the existence of a deity is either unknowable in principle or currently unknown in fact not just abrahimic god

When someone says he does not know and what they do not know can never be known it simply means that they have no single desire to know. So no amount of evidence can be accepted. That in a nutshell is insanity and closemindedness.

malvisguy212:
you spend to much time reading weird stuff in the internet, this things manipulate your mind.

Hmmm...far lesser time than I have ever spent studying the bible all my whole life. BTW, nothing manipulates my mind, rather, I am here to build strong minds.

Ioseph:
How are atheists the angry ones? Usually it's Christians, Muslims, etc. who are up in arms of breaches of their religious codexes...

Truth

hopefulLandlord:


stop this circumlocution

which part of my post do you disagree with?

the idea of abrahimic god....you said most atheist are agonist but only disagree with abrahimic God....

vaxx:
the idea of abrahimic god....you said most atheist are agonist but only disagree with abrahimic God....

I said most atheists here on Nairaland are sure the abrahamic god doesn't exist OR should I say all personal gods don't exist but a creator remains a "possibility" so long there are things humans are yet to discover but that's all it is, a "possibility"

How does the idea of a creator being make ANY sense? What is a creator being? What is it made of? Within which physical dimension does it reside? Is it sentient? How is it that we humans, a bundle of self-aware molecules on a tiny planet in a tiny solar system amidst billions of solar systems within a tiny galaxy amidst BILLIONS of galaxies, are - prior to any expedition - so utterly sure of the existence of such a being?

This is the joke. It doesn't take much to realise that the concept of a "creator being" is just us humans projecting ourselves onto the environment. The idea of a "creator", with a mind and a penchant for design like us humans, that "made the universe out of nothing", is such an utterly humanised concept that I'm surprised more people in the ancient world never talked about it. God didn't make us in their own image, we made God in OUR own image. A deity, no matter what it is, simply has no evidence and no explainable REASON to have ever existed - and it's association with human or animal qualities like children or intelligence or life and death makes it painfully clear that god was only ever an idea.

butterflyl1on:


When someone says he does not know and what they do not know can never be known it simply means that they have no single desire to know. So no amount of evidence can be accepted. That in a nutshell is insanity and closemindedness.

am only trying to correct the misinterpretation of the word atheist and agonist together....

butterflyl1on:


Somebody said an atheist is agnostic of a creator but IS SURE the abrahamic God does not exist

The definition for atheism goes contrary to that confused jargon.


atheism
noun
disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods

Somehow God does not exist but they are not sure about this and even if he does exist then he cannot be Yahweh

How can anyone be sure God does not exist yet not sure God exists but still be sure that he is sure Yahweh does not exist?

If that isn't the height of insanity, I don't know what is.

Walking around saying I am sure but wait I may not be sure Afterall but one thing I know is that I am sure Yahweh does not exist (yet Yahweh is also a God and falls into the category of their not sure stand).

Madness in all shades

your inability to understand hopefulLandlord's post shows you are awful when it comes to thinking. You even called Ray comfort your man. Smh.

hopefulLandlord:


I said most atheists here on Nairaland are sure the abrahamic god doesn't exist OR should I say all personal gods don't exist but a creator remains a "possibility" so long there are things humans are yet to discover but that's all it is, a "possibility"

in that case most atheists on nairaland will be called atheistic agonistic.... Which is still the same as atheist as my definition nail it...

I reply your thread.... No atheist in the foxholes

vaxx:
in that case most atheists on nairaland will be called atheistic agonistic.... Which is still the same as atheist as my definition nail it...

I reply your thread.... No atheist in the foxholes

oh! okay let me check

Martinez19:
your inability to understand hopefulLandlord's post shows you are awful when it comes to thinking. You even called Ray comfort your man. Smh.

Shaarraaaaap! Agnostic atheist is logically impossible. It's as illogical as calling something falsely truly false.

Agnostic Atheist by definition of those who claimed that they are, is a person who does not have a definite belief about whether God exist or not but also believes that God does not exist.

Yahweh is seen as God and if they say that a creator may exist then what is their concept of this creator and why rule out Yahweh when they claim a creator may exist?

Must this creator be according to their own perception of what a creator should look or act like? Can the created dictate what his creator should do or how he must act or how he must look like?

Agnostic atheism is a mad mans atheism.

butterflyl1on:
Shaarraaaaap! Agnostic atheist is logically impossible. It's as illogical as calling something

Agnostic Atheist by definition of those who claimed that they are, is a person who does not have a definite belief about whether God exist or not but also believes that God does not exist.

Agnostic atheism is not "logically impossible" - it denotes uncertainty.

butterflyl1on:

Yahweh is seen as God and if they say that a creator may exist then what is their concept of this creator and why rule out Yahweh when they claim a creator may exist?

Because while 'technically' the existence of a so-called "creator being" is not ruled out, the idea of an abrahamic god in line with the Judaic, Christian or Muslim faiths is utterly nonsensical. The creation myth is simply put, debunked. The abrahamic god has no claims to legitimacy over the god or gods of any other human religion, and it's intense following worldwide through Islam and Christianity was created from conquest and the spread of religion by sword., not by any rabbithole of comparison and reasoning.

butterflyl1on:
Must this creator be according to their own perception of what a creator should look or act like? Can the created dictate what his creator should do or how he must act or how he must look like?

Actually, it's the other way around - this is exactly how Christianity works.

butterflyl1on:
Agnostic atheism is a mad mans atheism.

Christianity and Islam are a mad-man's agnosticism.

Ioseph:


Agnostic atheism is not "logically impossible" - it denotes uncertainty.



Because while 'technically' the existence of a so-called "creator being" is not ruled out, the idea of an abrahamic god in line with the Judaic, Christian or Muslim faiths is utterly nonsensical. The creation myth is simply put, debunked. The abrahamic god has no claims to legitimacy over the god or gods of any other human religion, and it's intense following worldwide through Islam and Christianity was created from conquest and the spread of religion by sword., not by any rabbithole of comparison and reasoning.



Actually, it's the other way around - this is exactly how Christianity works.



Christianity and Islam are a mad-man's agnosticism.

Yet a creator God might exist!

I feel your delusion bro. It's some deep shiiit

Ioseph:


Agnostic atheism is not "logically impossible" - it denotes uncertainty.



Because while 'technically' the existence of a so-called "creator being" is not ruled out, the idea of an abrahamic god in line with the Judaic, Christian or Muslim faiths is utterly nonsensical. The creation myth is simply put, debunked. The abrahamic god has no claims to legitimacy over the god or gods of any other human religion, and it's intense following worldwide through Islam and Christianity was created from conquest and the spread of religion by sword., not by any rabbithole of comparison and reasoning.



Actually, it's the other way around - this is exactly how Christianity works.



Christianity and Islam are a mad-man's agnosticism.

keep an eye on that moniker, some moments later, he will go back to square one stating the very same thing you just replied.

butterflyl1on:


Yet a creator God might exist!

I feel your delusion bro. It's some deep shiiit

What? Did you read anything in that post at all? I don't ascribe to agnosticism or agnostic atheism at all - I was explaining what it was and why it's more thoughtful than believing in an abrahamic god. A lot of your propositions about agnostic viewpoints (such as a "creator god" being defined and designed by their followers) are ironically perfect arguments for agnosticism over Christianity or Islam - Agnosticism simply posits that there is a "creator being" without presuming of it's character or role in history while agnostic atheism views matters on it's existence as unknowable, but religions like Christianity and Islam do the exact opposite. They paint a face on this "creator being", give it a name: God. Say that it was involved in the construction of earth through a (false) creation myth, say that "God" has rules that "He" wants humanity to follow, and that all others claiming the exact same thing are blasphemers or kuffar or whatnot.

I responded to your questions and you cut discussion with a winky face and call me delusional. I think you should take a look in a mirror.

Ioseph:


What? Did you read anything in that post at all? I don't ascribe to agnosticism or agnostic atheism at all - I was explaining what it was and why it's more thoughtful than believing in an abrahamic god. A lot of your propositions about agnostic viewpoints (such as a "creator god" being defined and designed by their followers) are ironically perfect arguments for agnosticism over Christianity or Islam - Agnosticism simply posits that there is a "creator being" without presuming of it's character or role in history while agnostic atheism views matters on it's existence as unknowable, but religions like Christianity and Islam do the exact opposite. They paint a face on this "creator being", give it a name: God. Say that it was involved in the construction of earth through a (false) creation myth, say that "God" has rules that "He" wants humanity to follow, and that all others claiming the exact same thing are blasphemers or kuffar or whatnot.

I responded to your questions and you cut discussion with a winky face and call me delusional. I think you should take a look in a mirror.

I am simply agreeing with you na

Yes that position is more thoughtful

I can see the deep thought put into it.

Or can you not see it?

And course creation is a myth and every other thing isn't. Just creation is


delusion
noun
an idiosyncratic belief or impression maintained despite being contradicted by reality or rational argument, typically as a symptom of mental disorder.

idiosyncratic
adjective
relating to idiosyncrasy; peculiar or individual

I am sure you can make meaning of the bolded. .

butterflylion:


I am simply agreeing with you na

Yes that position is more thoughtful

I can see the deep thought put into it.

Or can you not see it?

And course creation is a myth and every other thing isn't. Just creation is


delusion
noun
an idiosyncratic belief or impression maintained despite being contradicted by reality or rational argument, typically as a symptom of mental disorder.

idiosyncratic
adjective
relating to idiosyncrasy; peculiar or individual

I am sure you can make meaning of the bolded. .

Yes, I can make meaning of the bolded. It is a description of you and your stance in regards to religious belief. The alternatives to the abrahamic creation myth are not delusion or idiosyncrasy - they are facts. We have telescopes that can see into the universal past through the observation of light rays hitting earth after travelling at lightspeed through vaste expanses of space over billions of years. Our world's advanced practices of Physics and Chemistry allow us to observe the age of sediments and materials through carbon dating, and our huge repository of cultural, anthropological and archaeological history reveal far more about the creation of the Earth, the history of the earth, the origins of life on earth and evolution than any Abrahamic creation myth has ever done, and it was done through analysis, reasoning and the scientific method, not through blind obsession with the Biblical Genesis.

Not that I expect you to have any other arguments up your sleeve aside from more insults, posturing and sensationalism.

hopefulLandlord:


Olaadegbu quoting Ray Comfort the Banana man

Why not? Is it not better than quoting atheists?

butterflyl1on:


Shaarraaaaap! Agnostic atheist is logically impossible. It's as illogical as calling something falsely truly false.

Agnostic Atheist by definition of those who claimed that they are, is a person who does not have a definite belief about whether God exist or not but also believes that God does not exist.

Yahweh is seen as God and if they say that a creator may exist then what is their concept of this creator and why rule out Yahweh when they claim a creator may exist?

Must this creator be according to their own perception of what a creator should look or act like? Can the created dictate what his creator should do or how he must act or how he must look like?

Agnostic atheism is a mad mans atheism.

Yahweh exists but am sure him and Allah are terrorists

OLAADEGBU:


Why not? Is it not better than quoting atheists?

atheists are better off without God

Martinez19:


Ray comfort the banana man. He said banana is a proof of a divine creator(just Google him). He created the documentary called atheist delusion. He just weak me

Here is the movie where Ray Comfort revealed the atheists delusion.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChWiZ3iXWwM

Having to prove the existence of God to an atheist is like having to prove the existence of the sun, at noon on a clear day. Yet millions are embracing the foolishness of atheism. "The Atheist Delusion” pulls back the curtain and reveals what is going on in the mind of those who deny the obvious. It introduces you to a number of atheists who you will follow as they go where the evidence leads, find a roadblock, and enter into a place of honesty that is rarely seen on film."

OLAADEGBU:


Here is the movie where Ray Comfort revealed the atheists delusion.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChWiZ3iXWwM

atheists and religious people are all confused

hopefulLandlord:


I don't know what part of the post you quoted you're disagreeing with but this post of yours seem off point

most atheists are agnostic to a "creator" but are definitely sure your own god doesn't exist, its not that hard to understand bro, you can't use one example to qualify all atheists, that's fallacy of composition

You must be 100% sure that God does not exist, are you that sure?

butterflyl1on:


Wow. See ode. Your hopefullandlord knows the day I was given the links to those threads by analice. He was on that thread when she gave it to me about a month or so ago or less.

I went through the thread and could not stop laughing at how a supposed atheist MayWeather ran like a bitch from a simple debate.

It was even your hopefullandlord who pointed out the link to her.

As expected.

Very convenient.

OLAADEGBU:

You must be 100% sure that God does not exist, are you that sure?

I'm 100% sure Yahweh does not exist

Ranchhoddas:
As expected.

Very convenient.

Ode Abeg go and get help for your hallucinations.

OLAADEGBU:


You must be 100% sure that God does not exist, are you that sure?

ask him if he is 100% sure olorun does not exist or if Chineke does not exist or if Abasi does not exist or if Ahura Mazda does not exist?

butterflyl1on:

Ode Abeg go and get help for your hallucinations.

Says the rogue.

hopefulLandlord:


I'm 100% sure Yahweh does not exist

If you're saying that you are 100% sure that God does not exist what you are saying is that you have infinite knowledge that He does not exist. Draw a circle. Let's say that this circle represents all the knowledge in the entire universe, to have 100% you must know how many hairs are upon every head, every thought of every human heart, every detail of history, every atom within every rock, nothing is hidden from your eyes, that you know the intimate details of the secret love-life of the fleas on the back of the black cat of Napolean's great-grandmother, what amount of gold or petroleum there is in China etc. 

What % of this knowledge do you think you have?

segunojo866:


atheists are better off without God

Saying that atheists are better off is like saying you are better off without a parachute when asked to jump off a aeroplane flying about 30,000 feet. The one who uses a parachute is certainly better off.

segunojo866:


atheists and religious people are all confused

Did you watch the film?