asalimpo:

It could be that God was using that pet to disrupt you from doing something against His will.
It looks like coincidence.
Stay away from this bullshit- you dont need it.
Remember the serpents deception to eve - "did God really say ... ", "You shall be like God's and your eyes shall be opened". (Genesis) - Astral projection is coated in the same deceptive allure of promising you more power, insight etc - but in the end !! What did Adam and Eve get ? - robbed and dethroned.
Seek God, get filled with His Spirit and fellowship with His Son- stay away from satan's sop.
peace bro

Adam and eve, are they not better off than that garden.?
for what purpose will a couple live all their lives, live eternity naked and with no knowledge. They were like apes until they ate the fruits. They were simply Yahweh's pets caged in a garden for his entertainment.

But thanks to the serpent, humans can now live a fashionable world, grow in knowledge, and study outer space, galaxies and the universe as against Yahweh's wish. Who needs to live forever??; the pains, despair, hope, victory, anxiety, love, confusion etc of the world makes it an interesting adventure....other than a world of billions of naked dumb people living forever as an entertainment to Yahweh

realmindz:

Adam and eve, are they not better off than that garden.?
for what purpose will a couple live all their lives, live eternity naked and with no knowledge. They were like apes until they ate the fruits. They were simply Yahweh's pets caged in a garden for his entertainment.

But thanks to the serpent, humans can now live a fashionable world, grow in knowledge, and study outer space, galaxies and the universe as against Yahweh's wish. Who needs to live forever??; the pains, despair, hope, victory, anxiety, love, confusion etc of the world makes it an interesting adventure....other than a world of billions of naked dumb people living forever as an entertainment to Yahweh

I've heard this argument b4 - it's deluding and false.
God's original plan was for man to subdue the earth and have dominion over it. How could they do that from a living all their lives in a garden? God gave man the ability to reproduce and instituted marraige there- what was man's offspring to do? Live in a garden? NO! Spread out and subdue the earth.
The serpent didnt give man knowledge or UNLOCK anything in Man, he stole man's authority as the ruler of the earth- he usurped man. In the temptation of Jesus,the second Adam, he,satan, admitted that "all these <i.e the world> has been given unto me <i.e him> ", so satan is the god of this world system, and he's right.
Who was the original god ? Adam. Incase,you dont know, all good knowledge comes from God not satan.
Man, wouldve advanced further than he has if he didnt fall. It was God's will that man create all the tech we see today, otherwise how would his will be fulfilled? Man is both physical and spiritual and to subdue a physical realm , physical devices were needed. All those were in the mind of God.
Who needs to live forever? Everybody wants to live forever!! It's an inbuilt desire to want to live forever?
That's y ppl cringe at the prospect of death. Nobody really wants to die.
The pain and suffering doesnt make life interesting. Think of the number of people who've committed suicide from winning a million dollars in the lottery? No! from heartache. Y do people camp out at u.s embassies?
Life there is ,purported, to be easier. Less stress, good food, 24hr electricity, responsive security, fairer legal system that caters for the common man, well fare system for the unemployed, world class educational facilities- isnt that a type of heaven!
How many people dyu see queuing up at rwandan embassy?! or afghanistan or iraq?

Entertainment to yahweh!? ha!!
Adam had a free will, unfettered by any body including his Creator, all men have this.
Man wouldve have evolved and society wouldve grown by man's own volition alone.
The difference is that, they could always connect to God,their Creator and have fellowship with Him.
We dont know how we couldve imagined it, but life wouldve been anything but boring /dead etc.

Anyway, if you take a look at the nation of Isreal God brought out of the wilderness, you see many things
in place that was light years ahead of nations around them. Like a welfare system, to cater for the poor,
rules for work, hygiene, a justice system, tax system for redistribution of wealth, etc. It was a fully functional society. While the nations around them were busy tossing their babies into fire <in worship of their heathen gods> and screwing goats ,sheep, etc and practicing homosxlty etc, barbaric living, God instructed the Isrealite society differently. Which society was more advanced?

asalimpo:

I've heard this argument b4 - it's deluding and false.
God's original plan was for man to subdue the earth and have dominion over it. How could they do that from a living all their lives in a garden? God gave man the ability to reproduce and instituted marraige there- what was man's offspring to do? Live in a garden? NO! Spread out and subdue the earth.

wow! very interesting.
so in summary, what we have today is not Yahweh's original plan. So sad, Yahweh had his plans disrupted by his own very creations.

Things may not always go as planned, that's the reality of life. it's even more interesting to know that the almighty Yahweh could be subdued by this law. so unfortunate, if only Yahweh's original plan had worked perfectly

realmindz:


wow! very interesting.
so in summary, what we have today is not Yahweh's original plan. So sad, Yahweh had his plans disrupted by his own very creations.

Things may not always go as planned, that's the reality of life. it's even more interesting to know that the almighty Yahweh could be subdued by this law. so unfortunate, if only Yahweh's original plan had worked perfectly

Or Man exercised his free will and humanity reaped the results of the first man's action.
What do you know about the power of choice given to man? What dyu understand by free will and choice,
how was man exercising his free will tantamount to a failure on God's part?
Your yap about working perfectly is illogical, when geniune free will is factored in.

asalimpo:


Anyway, if you take a look at the nation of Isreal God brought out of the wilderness, you see many things
in place that was light years ahead of nations around them. Like a welfare system, to cater for the poor,
rules for work, hygiene, a justice system, tax system for redistribution of wealth, etc. It was a fully functional society. While the nations around them were busy tossing their babies into fire <in worship of their heathen gods> and screwing goats ,sheep, etc and practicing homosxlty etc, barbaric living, God instructed the Isrealite society differently. Which society was more advanced?

you need to be watchful of what you speak on public forum. This post just exposed the magnitude of human ignorance caused by religion. you need to upgrade your knowledge by reading books other than the bible.

When speaking of ancient civilisations, Israel is the least to mention when taking of Egyptian, Sumerian, Babylonian, Chinese civilisations.

Don't argue this further to avoid embarrassment to yourself

asalimpo:

Or Man exercised his free will and humanity reaped the results of the first man's action.
What do you know about the power of choice given to man? What dyu understand by free will and choice,
how was man exercising his free will tantamount to a failure on God's part?
Your yap about working perfectly is illogical, when geniune free will is factored in.

you are the one being illogical perhaps irrational..

Ok let's get this straight once; I dont need the process of how it happened and spare rhe freewill bullshi.t. Answer the simple question; Did Yahweh's Original plan work or not??

realmindz:


you are the one being illogical perhaps irrational..

Ok let's get this straight once; I dont need the process of how it happened and spare rhe freewill bullshi.t. Answer the simple question; Did Yahweh's Original plan work or not??

We cant ditch the free will whatever as you call it. Your spin on the matter is a miscontruction - you are the one being illogical or irrational.
free will and choice was an inalienable gift to man.
So judging this matter you have to first decide where the ball rested- with God or Man?
Should God have fettered man's free will? - then how free would it be,is it still free will if so?
What was God's design plan ?
[b] God said " let us <God,Son,Holy Spirit> make man in Our own image ; and let THEM have dominion
<not it is them - man, not US AND THEM /OR US - > over the earth and over every creeping thing "
Genesis (look it up. i'm paraphrasing here ). This is the operational contract. God defined his parameters and boundaries by His Word from the Onset. He locked himself out in the affairs of man in terms of rulership of the earth. So who was to blame when man messed up? God!!! Think again. Legally, logically, morally, God is not culpable. If Adam wanted to bow to satan- that's adam's fault. God is not like a dictator that violates His word.

realmindz:


you need to be watchful of what you speak on public forum. This post just exposed the magnitude of human ignorance caused by religion. you need to upgrade your knowledge by reading books other than the bible.

When speaking of ancient civilisations, Israel is the least to mention when taking of Egyptian, Sumerian, Babylonian, Chinese civilisations.

Don't argue this further to avoid embarrassment to yourself

The old testament is historically accurate and it corroborates what i was saying. Keep your mind in context.

asalimpo:

The old testament is historically accurate and it corroborates what i was saying. Keep your mind in context.

of course it does, that's why science depends on the bible for facts and historical evidences.

You are in a sorry state of ignorance

asalimpo:

We cant ditch the free will whatever as you call it. Your spin on the matter is a miscontruction - you are the one being illogical or irrational.
free will and choice was an inalienable gift to man.
So judging this matter you have to first decide where the ball rested- with God or Man?
Should God have fettered man's free will? - then how free would it be,is it still free will if so?
What was God's design plan ?
[b] God said " let us <God,Son,Holy Spirit> make man in Our own image ; and let THEM have dominion
<not it is them - man, not US AND THEM /OR US - > over the earth and over every creeping thing "
Genesis (look it up. i'm paraphrasing here ). This is the operational contract. God defined his parameters and boundaries by His Word from the Onset. He locked himself out in the affairs of man in terms of rulership of the earth. So who was to blame when man messed up? God!!! Think again. Legally, logically, morally, God is not culpable. If Adam wanted to bow to satan- that's adam's fault. God is not like a dictator that violates His word.

To say you lack logical reasoning ability would be too nice of a thing to say...

The point is not about who's at fault...dont you get..

ok, an illustration...Did Adamu die??

Mr A: Adamu was knocked down by a trailer and he died
Mr B: Adamu ate rat poison and he died

The conclusion does not have to do with how he died or whose fault but the conclusion is that Adamu is dead....Simple

Now answer the question and save the long epistle

Did Yahweh's Original plan work??

Op and any of the Astral travellers. Can any of you project and get 200 odds for me in football. Thanks

realmindz:


To say you lack logical reasoning ability would be too nice of a thing to say...

The point is not about who's at fault...dont you get..

ok, an illustration...Did Adamu die??

Mr A: Adamu was knocked down by a trailer and he died
Mr B: Adamu ate rat poison and he died

The conclusion does not have to do with how he died or whose fault but the conclusion is that Adamu is dead....Simple

Now answer the question and save the long epistle

Did Yahweh's Original plan work??

There's nothing objective about your question. It's a leading question with a preconcieved bias.
What dyu mean by what was God's original plan? Y should that even come up?
You are simply asking a leading question which is irrelevant.
Did God's plan work in creating the universe?
is that up for debate? Y dont u ask that? Assume some1 humors u with an answer, what is the point?
Did God's plan work in creating the earth? -
How relevant is this to the issue at hand?
Did God's plan work in creating man and woman?
this question is pointless and irrelevant by the previous arguments.
Did God's plan work in ___ ? fill in the blank.
What will you put in the blank?
Your argument will be simply baseless. And irrelevant because you are trying to say something with no logical objectivity to it.
You are simply illogical period.

Let's go over the argument:
Did God's plan work in creating the universe? Yes.
God wanted a universe, he created one. He succeeded. Case settled.
Did God's plan work in creating the earth? Yes.
He wanted the earth, he created one. He succeeded. Case settled.
Did His plan work in creating Man? Yes.
He created the first man and woman, the were made alive and sentient.
It worked.
God gave the earth to them to rule.
Did it work?
In what sense is this question asked and how is it judged?
Man - today i hand over the keys of the earth for you to rule.
Do as you like except, dont do this. If you do this, this will be the consequences.
The earth is now yours,not to own ,that's mine , but to control.
(paraphrase) -
Did the hand over work? Is that what your asking?
What does it take to hand something over to some1 or swear some one into office?
Did the hand over no work? Is this debatable?

Man: Ok, thank you God (takes the keys). Leaves the tap on, the kitchen and the parlour gets flooded.
Or leaves the gas on, house explodes when wife goes to cook?
Who dyu blame? the Landlord ? This is the angle of your attacks and its pointless.
as well as silly.

Did God's plan work in the sense of the purpose for which he gave man the earth?
Again, this question is thoroughly pointless.
It is pointless because they're two wills at play here. Man's and God's.
if God has given man free will, all God can do is express His own will, and His will be fulfilled only to the extent Man, cooperates. So God's will not being done is no indication of failure on God's part.
An example.
God - this is the key to mansion, i want you to live like a king in it and enjoy your stay in it.
keep it clean and tidy and dont let in any intruder. Enjoy your days with your wife.
Man - Thnk you God. It's byutiful house. I'll do as you say.
Man - leaves the windows open at night, mosquitoes invade , sting hm and the wife.
leaves the gat unlocked, burglars raid the property .
Did man enjoy his days ? No.
Whose fault? God? You see how twisted your reasoning is?
Was God's will done? NO? Is God then a failure?

I just achieved what's have being aiming to do for many year. never believed I could astral project.

I woke up 2am this morning, I decided to check my phone to confirm if is charging. after that moment it was very difficult for me to sleep, I started imagining different things, though that's what I do before if I find if difficult to sleep, 4am I became weak ready to sleep so the thought of astral projection came to my mind, I told myself is time I try this thing cause right now my body didn't want anything other than sleep. I decide to let the body sleep, kept my mind awoke , not up to 4 minutes I started having some feeling in my body like something is moving round my body which I can't explain, it's just like little spark , I hard some bang on my head too, I still lied down there. the feeling started increasing and the sound in my head, it increased and reduced same time , so I taught to myself is right time I came out of my body, I was standing up and same time still pulling myself to the bed, I just forced myself up and I opened my eyes I saw my full body. Humm, I felt disappoint. I told myself I'm getting there .

I decide to sleep again but found it difficult, I was trying to redo it maybe it will work this time , after some minutes I was able to sleep and I have to redo the first process, same feeling and sound came back again but this time I allowed it to have is way after about three minutes I decide to stand up. I stood up I saw my body but part of me still attached to my body I kept pulling up. has I was pulling up I saw my room upside down,I wanted to see my full body but is like something is pushing me away to see my full body. within a second I just woke up. wow, I never knew I will be able to do this. I can't just express the good feelings right now.

cc Billyonaire

mcemmy0z:
I just achieved what's have being aiming to do for many year. never believed I could astral project.

I woke up 2am this morning, I decided to check my phone to confirm if is charging. after that moment it was very difficult for me to sleep, I started imagining different things, though that's what I do before if I find if difficult to sleep, 4am I became weak ready to sleep so the thought of astral projection came to my mind, I told myself is time I try this thing cause right now my body didn't want anything other than sleep. I decide to let the body sleep, kept my mind awoke , not up to 4 minutes I started having some feeling in my body like something is moving round my body which I can't explain, it's just like little spark , I hard some bang on my head too, I still lied down there. the feeling started increasing and the sound in my head, it increased and reduced same time , so I taught to myself is right time I came out of my body, I was standing up and same time still pulling myself to the bed, I just forced myself up and I opened my eyes I saw my full body. Humm, I felt disappoint. I told myself I'm getting there .

I decide to sleep again but found it difficult, I was trying to redo it maybe it will work this time , after some minutes I was able to sleep and I have to redo the first process, same feeling and sound came back again but this time I allowed it to have is way after about three minutes I decide to stand up. I stood up I saw my body but part of me still attached to my body I kept pulling up. has I was pulling up I saw my room upside down,I wanted to see my full body but is like something is pushing me away to see my full body. within a second I just woke up. wow, I never knew I will be able to do this. I can't just express the good feelings right now.

cc Billyonaire

With greater powers, comes greater responsibilities. As you begin the journey to explore the quantum worlds, ensure to stay on the positive trajectory and use the wisdom gained, to improve the cause of humanity.

asalimpo:


There's nothing objective about your question. It's a leading question with a preconcieved bias.
What dyu mean by what was God's original plan? Y should that even come up?
You are simply asking a leading question which is irrelevant.
Did God's plan work in creating the universe?
is that up for debate? Y dont u ask that? Assume some1 humors u with an answer, what is the point?
Did God's plan work in creating the earth? -
How relevant is this to the issue at hand?
Did God's plan work in creating man and woman?
this question is pointless and irrelevant by the previous arguments.
Did God's plan work in ___ ? fill in the blank.
What will you put in the blank?
Your argument will be simply baseless. And irrelevant because you are trying to say something with no logical objectivity to it.
You are simply illogical period.

Let's go over the argument:
Did God's plan work in creating the universe? Yes.
God wanted a universe, he created one. He succeeded. Case settled.
Did God's plan work in creating the earth? Yes.
He wanted the earth, he created one. He succeeded. Case settled.
Did His plan work in creating Man? Yes.
He created the first man and woman, the were made alive and sentient.
It worked.
God gave the earth to them to rule.
Did it work?
In what sense is this question asked and how is it judged?
Man - today i hand over the keys of the earth for you to rule.
Do as you like except, dont do this. If you do this, this will be the consequences.
The earth is now yours,not to own ,that's mine , but to control.
(paraphrase) -
Did the hand over work? Is that what your asking?
What does it take to hand something over to some1 or swear some one into office?
Did the hand over no work? Is this debatable?

Man: Ok, thank you God (takes the keys). Leaves the tap on, the kitchen and the parlour gets flooded.
Or leaves the gas on, house explodes when wife goes to cook?
Who dyu blame? the Landlord ? This is the angle of your attacks and its pointless.
as well as silly.

Did God's plan work in the sense of the purpose for which he gave man the earth?
Again, this question is thoroughly pointless.
It is pointless because they're two wills at play here. Man's and God's.
if God has given man free will, all God can do is express His own will, and His will be fulfilled only to the extent Man, cooperates. So God's will not being done is no indication of failure on God's part.
An example.
God - this is the key to mansion, i want you to live like a king in it and enjoy your stay in it.
keep it clean and tidy and dont let in any intruder. Enjoy your days with your wife.
Man - Thnk you God. It's byutiful house. I'll do as you say.
Man - leaves the windows open at night, mosquitoes invade , sting hm and the wife.
leaves the gat unlocked, burglars raid the property .
Did man enjoy his days ? No.
Whose fault? God? You see how twisted your reasoning is?
Was God's will done? NO? Is God then a failure?

I find it difficult reading this long epistle that is devoid of common sense. Honestly how do you guys cope, a simple question was asked and you have nothing to say....

pls what's the conclusion; Did Yahweh's Original plan for man work?? if you have no answer, then it's best to keep silent and stop this embarrassment

realmindz:


I find it difficult reading this long epistle that is devoid of common sense. Honestly how do you guys cope, a simple question was asked and you have nothing to say....

pls what's the conclusion; Did Yahweh's Original plan for man work?? if you have no answer, then it's best to keep silent and stop this embarrassment

Since you're mentally balanced - show how the "long epistle" lacked common sense and let's starts from there.
Your question is logically invalid - since it's a leading question.
There's no objectivity to it. I refer you to the "long epistle" to see a detailed explanation on the matter.

IOW, your argument which is a leading question is simply NONSENSical.
IF you can't reason logically, you cannot even begin to decipher the truth or error in ur stance.
Let's look at the question - "Are u still jobless"?- or Are u still unfulfilled? (assuming a person told you he isnt yet married university educated, have a car etc) you jump to the conclusion that he isnt fulfilled because he isnt married etc, then use that to create an assumption (you are not x so u are unfulfilled - (see leading Q)- ) then use it to fire back at him a question! If the person answers yes or no - he implicitly assumes your assumption?! The question is - before the question is even attempted the assumption must be assessed.
IOW, You have used a funneling technique, narrow the reply to two categorical options (yes no) for a wrong assumption which you use as a basis, to launch your question hoping the asked will assume such basis as FACT . How much more dubious and erroneous can you be?
Then when some1 comes along and untangles ur dubiousness, you wave it off, as - drivel - long talk.
Grow up, nobody is ur fool.
Go back to the assumptions and reassess your stance before firing ur biased questions.
See the previous point i made on this.
Let's start with what the so called Objective for God was as defined in the Bible, then proceed from there.
My previous response addressed this in detail. I dont need to repeat myself.
You are in essence trying to blame God for man's abuse of his choice by exercise of His, man's, free will!!
That's sick thinking.

asalimpo:

[s] Since you're mentally balanced - show how the "long epistle" lacked common sense and let's starts from there.
Your question is logically invalid - since it's a leading question.
There's no objectivity to it. I refer you to the "long epistle" to see a detailed explanation on the matter.

IOW, your argument which is a leading question is simply NONSENSical.
IF you can't reason logically, you cannot even begin to decipher the truth or error in ur stance.
Let's look at the question - "Are u still jobless"?- or Are u still unfulfilled? (assuming a person told you he isnt yet married university educated, have a car etc) you jump to the conclusion that he isnt fulfilled because he isnt married etc, then use that to create an assumption (you are not x so u are unfulfilled - (see leading Q)- ) then use it to fire back at him a question! If the person answers yes or no - he implicitly assumes your assumption?! The question is - before the question is even attempted the assumption must be assessed.
IOW, You have used a funneling technique, narrow the reply to two categorical options (yes no) for a wrong assumption which you use as a basis, to launch your question hoping the asked will assume such basis as FACT . How much more dubious and erroneous can you be?
Then when some1 comes along and untangles ur dubiousness, you wave it off, as - drivel - long talk.
Grow up, nobody is ur fool.
Go back to the assumptions and reassess your stance before firing ur biased questions.
See the previous point i made on this.
Let's start with what the so called Objective for God was as defined in the Bible, then proceed from there.
My previous response addressed this in detail. I dont need to repeat myself.
You are in essence trying to blame God for man's abuse of his choice by exercise of His, man's, free will!!
That's sick thinking.
[/s]

I did not read a word since nothing new expected other than trash

realmindz:


I did not read a word since nothing new expected other than trash

You brain tired of thinking. So you wrote off all that I said.
If you make a point, and try to argue the point logically, then the only way to continue with your case is logical not emotional. This is how, most people who have not skill in logical reasoning - yet try to prove that something is LOGICAL argue. Pathetic.
They either first start off, cool and collected and composed - expecting that their age/status - will shut off the opposition. (if such is the case ), when that doesnt work, fuming inside, but trying to keep calm, they try to crank their brains to arrange some lopsided logic to sling. But the opposition points out holes in it.
Their puny attempts failing, the animal in them jumps out like an angry lion. Shaming, beating, abuse and so on is the end of the discussion.
Common, bro. I see this too often. It's pathetic.
If you want to be an atheist. Please feel free. God wont heckle you , in most democratic societies your choice will be respected. If on theother hand you want to make a case against anything and u are marshalling arguments, stay logical and dont deviate into the gutter of emotional drivels like i see here.
Go to to other forums and see how people make their points.

Billyonaire:


With greater powers, comes greater responsibilities. As you begin the journey to explore the quantum worlds, ensure to stay on the positive trajectory and use the wisdom gained, to improve the cause of humanity.

what situation is this.... Like when am not convenient in my body, maybe I went to bed with empty stomach or a kind of having stomach pain, and my body system is upset and being on the bed, and sleep comes upon me, I'll just find myself drifted into another realm but the same environment, not that I'm seeing my body lying somewhere, it will just be a different realm, through this I've seen things around my environment that's is beyond physical eye, I've even been giving a cure when I was having a terrible stomach pain and I drifted, I saw someone just came, as if he's aware of it, and give me a white substance, after taking it, I woke up and the pain was minimal, I slept again and when I woke up I was completely OK. Many like that I can't keep saying. What can I call that, Astral projection?

asalimpo:

You brain tired of thinking. So you wrote off all that I said.
If you make a point, and try to argue the point logically, then the only way to continue with your case is logical not emotional. This is how, most people who have not skill in logical reasoning - yet try to prove that something is LOGICAL argue. Pathetic.
They either first start off, cool and collected and composed - expecting that their age/status - will shut off the opposition. (if such is the case ), when that doesnt work, fuming inside, but trying to keep calm, they try to crank their brains to arrange some lopsided logic to sling. But the opposition points out holes in it.
Their puny attempts failing, the animal in them jumps out like an angry lion. Shaming, beating, abuse and so on is the end of the discussion.
Common, bro. I see this too often. It's pathetic.
If you want to be an atheist. Please feel free. God wont heckle you , in most democratic societies your choice will be respected. If on theother hand you want to make a case against anything and u are marshalling arguments, stay logical and dont deviate into the gutter of emotional drivels like i see here.
Go to to other forums and see how people make their points.

Have you ever tried to make a point to someone far below the level of comprehension,? you will be worn out....such is your case, you are indeed a mess.

But don't be discouraged bcuz it's not unusual to meet someone of your calibre, but in this case, I've been too busy of late. So enjoy your colourful ignorance, afterall it is bliss...

realmindz:

Adam and eve, are they not better off than that garden.?
for what purpose will a couple live all their lives, live eternity naked and with no knowledge. They were like apes until they ate the fruits. They were simply Yahweh's pets caged in a garden for his entertainment.

But thanks to the serpent, humans can now live a fashionable world, grow in knowledge, and study outer space, galaxies and the universe as against Yahweh's wish. Who needs to live forever??; the pains, despair, hope, victory, anxiety, love, confusion etc of the world makes it an interesting adventure....other than a world of billions of naked dumb people living forever as an entertainment to Yahweh

Really?
And the ape-man had enough memory and intelligence to give names to all the animals?

With Adams sin actually came the law of Death and Diminishing returns.
With Adams sin, man lost touch with the spiritual: he now has to directly link up with God or Satan to change events in the spirit rhelm.
With Adams sin came wars, disease and natural calamities.

You got it wrong bro!

@asalimpo, you're not answering realmindz question, alll you did so far is preach


"Did Yahweh's original plan work?"

Yes/No

methinks the question actually exposes you cuz if you say No, its a problem and if you say Yes then everything is as Yahweh wanted

shadeyinka:


Really?
And the ape-man had enough memory and intelligence to give names to all the animals?

With Adams sin actually came the law of Death and Diminishing returns.
With Adams sin, man lost touch with the spiritual: he now has to directly link up with God or Satan to change events in the spirit rhelm.
With Adams sin came wars, disease and natural calamities.

You got it wrong bro!

According to the bible, Adam existed less than 10,000 years ago. Scientific evidences point to a fact that homo sapiens have been for over 200,000 years ago.


And really, you need to grow up and it's time to let go of childhood fairy tales that one man named all the animals on earth. who does that?

Also, how can you prove to me that Adam is your ancestor? Was he mentioned in your cultural heritage? Truly, religion has broken ancestral links of gullible low thinkers called Africans.

hopefulLandlord:
@asalimpo, you're not answering realmindz question, alll you did so far is preach


"Did Yahweh's original plan work?"

Yes/No

methinks the question actually exposes you cuz if you say No, its a problem and if you say Yes then everything is as Yahweh wanted

the guy is in a checkmate, there is no way to escape that question other than dancing around the bush

realmindz:

According to the bible, Adam existed less than 10,000 years ago. Scientific evidences point to a fact that homo sapiens have been for over 200,000 years ago.


And really, you need to grow up and it's time to let go of childhood fairy tales that one man named all the animals on earth. who does that?

Also, how can you prove to me that Adam is your ancestor? Was he mentioned in your cultural heritage? Truly, religion has broken ancestral links of gullible low thinkers called Africans.

What do you think carbon dating of Live Organisms should be? Zero!?
Carbon dating assumes that C14 on earth has been uniform over the ages AND that the ratio of C12 to C14 in a living organism is constant. Could this be true even when we all know that the ice age (an example of global change) occurred over time in history and several other phenomenons occurred in time space of the earth? Carbon dating assumes that the earths magnetic field has been uniform with time. The fact that C14 is found in diamonds which are assumed to be billions of years old is a proof that the basis of carbon dating may be brilliant but skewed.

My ancestors and probably yours cannot relate any history of more than 10 centuries.

And the same man who reported that one man named all also reported a global flood that wiped out most living things. Crude oil is most likely the result of that.

Science is sometimes based on educated assumptions called theories: some can be proved outrightly, some are used until a counter proof is obtained. Don't forget that some years ago, science said that "An atom is the smallest Indivisible Particle of Matter".

Christianity isn't anti Science and the Bible isnt a Science text book.

Have you read anything about the Paracas Skulls of Peru? They were large and not formed through head binding.

shadeyinka:

What do you think carbon dating of Live Organisms should be? Zero!?
Carbon dating assumes that C14 on earth has been uniform over the ages AND that the ratio of C12 to C14 in a living organism is constant. Could this be true even when we all know that the ice age (an example of global change) occurred over time in history and several other phenomenons occurred in time space of the earth? Carbon dating assumes that the earths magnetic field has been uniform with time. The fact that C14 is found in diamonds which are assumed to be billions of years old is a proof that the basis of carbon dating may be brilliant but skewed.

My ancestors and probably yours cannot relate any history of more than 10 centuries.

And the same man who reported that one man named all also reported a global flood that wiped out most living things. Crude oil is most likely the result of that.

Science is sometimes based on educated assumptions called theories: some can be proved outrightly, some are used until a counter proof is obtained. Don't forget that some years ago, science said that "An atom is the smallest Indivisible Particle of Matter".

Christianity isn't anti Science and the Bible isnt a Science text book.

Have you read anything about the Paracas Skulls of Peru? They were large and not formed through head binding.

Science has never claimed perfection and it open for review, all for its betterment. Religion is the opposite as it claims perfection and stands on ideologies that no longer apply to our current world and advancement in knowledge, however, religion is made to exist by the people who fight for those beliefs and they try to blend modern discoveries to fit into their religious views.

You mentioned Atom, yes it was once said to be the smallest indivisible particle of matter, further research led to more knowledge about the atom, such is science and that's it's beauty, it gives room for more knowledge and discoveries all to the betterment of humanity. Can that be said about religion,? does your religion not know all already? Is your holy book written centuries ago not perfect and need no further improvement. Such is the arrogance of religion in the midst of total ignorance.

Also, scientific approaches we all know aren't perfect but they are the most reliable we have, they give very good estimations with facts. Can you say that of your bible.?

Already aren't you ashamed of your Noahs story which happened about 4000 years ago?
Mr. Common sense should tell you that 4000 years ago, we already had Chinese dynasty, Egyptian civilisations, Babylonian civilisations, every fact beyond reasonable doubt proves that 4000 years ago, there were millions of people on earth as against the family of 8 as claimed by your bible??
Haven't you asked if Noah the Jew is truly your ancestor? Perhaps Noah populated the billions of people on earth today in 6000 years including blacks, Arabs, Chinese, whites etc....
Think my friend and don't fail logic

realmindz:


Science has never claimed perfection and it open for review, all for its betterment. Religion is the opposite as it claims perfection and stands on ideologies that no longer apply to our current world and advancement in knowledge, however, religion is made to exist by the people who fight for those beliefs and they try to blend modern discoveries to fit into their religious views.

You mentioned Atom, yes it was once said to be the smallest indivisible particle of matter, further research led to more knowledge about the atom, such is science and that's it's beauty, it gives room for more knowledge and discoveries all to the betterment of humanity. Can that be said about religion,? does your religion not know all already? Is your holy book written centuries ago not perfect and need no further improvement. Such is the arrogance of religion in the midst of total ignorance.

Also, scientific approaches we all know aren't perfect but they are the most reliable we have, they give very good estimations with facts. Can you say that of your bible.?

The point of religion is NOT science. Religion speaks about things which science cannot verify such as Soul and Spirits.

My point about science is that nothing is absolute. If you know a little science, you will understand that science is mans way and language of understanding the workings and operations of physical phenomenon and possible utilization for mans needs.

realmindz:

Already aren't you ashamed of your Noahs story which happened about 4000 years ago?
Mr. Common sense should tell you that 4000 years ago, we already had Chinese dynasty, Egyptian civilisations, Babylonian civilisations, every fact beyond reasonable doubt proves that 4000 years ago, there were millions of people on earth as against the family of 8 as claimed by your bible??
Haven't you asked if Noah the Jew is truly your ancestor? Perhaps Noah populated the billions of people on earth today in 6000 years including blacks, Arabs, Chinese, whites etc....
Think my friend and don't fail logic

Interestingly, its not only the bible that reported the global flood referred to as Noah's flood.

Point of correction!
The Chinese history is less than 3000 years probably older than the Babylonian empire and that's the oldest know human civilization.

If you look at ages stated in the same book, if I live to be 800 years old and I fathered children (no contraceptive then) calculate the potential number of children a person can have. Compound the statistics of my children, grand children and great grand children to the 7th generation having children. Clearly feasible.

You probably don't know that human beings both have dominant and recessive genes. It takes a small community to amplify even a recessive gene so that with time, great differentiation occurs.

My problem with you is that those who don't know much science put their ultimate hope and faith in science. As someone who studied a little physics, I know that all the laws of physics break down as we approach the time of the big bang. Do you know the implication of that?

It means that we cannot know how the universe was created from our current laws and constants. Also, the universe is expanding, it means that something caused it to start expansion: unfortunately, that cause is beyond time.

Science studies the Hardware of Life
Religion describes the Software of Life.

Science assumes everything about life is Hardware
Religion sees life as a fusion of Hardware and Software.

shadeyinka:


The point of religion is NOT science. Religion speaks about things which science cannot verify such as Soul and Spirits.

My point about science is that nothing is absolute. If you know a little science, you will understand that science is mans way and language of understanding the workings and operations of physical phenomenon and possible utilization for mans needs.



Interestingly, its not only the bible that reported the global flood referred to as Noah's flood.

Point of correction!
The Chinese history is less than 3000 years probably older than the Babylonian empire and that's the oldest know human civilization.

If you look at ages stated in the same book, if I live to be 800 years old and I fathered children (no contraceptive then) calculate the potential number of children a person can have. Compound the statistics of my children, grand children and great grand children to the 7th generation having children. Clearly feasible.

You probably don't know that human beings both have dominant and recessive genes. It takes a small community to amplify even a recessive gene so that with time, great differentiation occurs.

My problem with you is that those who don't know much science put their ultimate hope and faith in science. As someone who studied a little physics, I know that all the laws of physics break down as we approach the time of the big bang. Do you know the implication of that?

It means that we cannot know how the universe was created from our current laws and constants. Also, the universe is expanding, it means that something caused it to start expansion: unfortunately, that cause is beyond time.

Science studies the Hardware of Life
Religion describes the Software of Life.

Science assumes everything about life is Hardware
Religion sees life as a fusion of Hardware and Software.

Science hardware religion software... lol, what a comic relief.


Pls I want you to tell me how a black man, white man, Chinese, and all races on earth emerged from a single family in a space of 4000 years.?
Dont just say things without thoughts, I put it to you that no amount of genetic mutation can produce all the races in the world in 5000 years.

6.5 billion people coming from a family of 8 in 4000 years is mathematical jargons.

the oldest civilisation may be in the range of 3500 years old, however, these civilisations did not start in a day. Many of the tribe people have been settled as far as 8000 to 10000 years. So tell me, where did these people come from? How come these civilisations made no mention of Noah their ancestor and a flood which wiped all of human race.


Let me tell you something, if a flood truly happened, you won't need the bible or Koran to tell you about it. It will be on the tongue of all tribes and cultures of the world passed from generations to generations. Your own very tribe will sing praises of Noah the jew, their ancestor and how your family was the one that survived the world flood. Don't you think so?

realmindz:

According to the bible, Adam existed less than 10,000 years ago. Scientific evidences point to a fact that homo sapiens have been for over 200,000 years ago.


And really, you need to grow up and it's time to let go of childhood fairy tales that one man named all the animals on earth. who does that?

Also, how can you prove to me that Adam is your ancestor? Was he mentioned in your cultural heritage? Truly, religion has broken ancestral links of gullible low thinkers called Africans .

Please help me ask all these intelligent mumu Africans. Some even claim to be children of Abraham
I'm like, how come?

No African has been able to tell me how they're related to Abraham and co.

Mind you, Abraham was from Ur, a town in Babylon. He's a bleeding blithering Babylonian before the deity used him to establish his own selfish plans.

So Africans please, anyone who can help tell us how we're related to Abraham or Jacob is needed here urgently.

realmindz:


Science hardware religion software... lol, what a comic relief.


Pls I want you to tell me how a black man, white man, Chinese, and all races on earth emerged from a single family in a space of 4000 years.?
Dont just say things without thoughts, I put it to you that no amount of genetic mutation can produce all the races in the world in 5000 years.

6.5 billion people coming from a family of 8 in 4000 years is mathematical jargons.

the oldest civilisation may be in the range of 3500 years old, however, these civilisations did not start in a day. Many of the tribe people have been settled as far as 8000 to 10000 years. So tell me, where did these people come from? How come these civilisations made no mention of Noah their ancestor and a flood which wiped all of human race.


Let me tell you something, if a flood truly happened, you won't need the bible or Koran to tell you about it. It will be on the tongue of all tribes and cultures of the world passed from generations to generations. Your own very tribe will sing praises of Noah the jew, their ancestor and how your family was the one that survived the world flood. Don't you think so?

I just saw that you are not worth any intellectual time. Any intelligent dude would have no need of repeating this after my last post.

http://nypost.com/2010/07/21/blond-bombshell/amp/

http://www..com/talk/topic,42219.0.html

http://pmnewsnigeria.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Nigerian-white-baby.jpg

shadeyinka:


I just saw that you are not worth any intellectual time. Any intelligent dude would have no need of repeating this after my last post.

http://nypost.com/2010/07/21/blond-bombshell/amp/

http://www..com/talk/topic,42219.0.html

http://pmnewsnigeria.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Nigerian-white-baby.jpg

should I assume this is a careful way of evading the questions...? No I won't, your intellectual capacity is not sufficient to handle such reasonings. But don't worry, ignorance is bliss, Yinka son of Noah

realmindz:


should I assume this is a careful way of evading the questions...? No I won't, your intellectual capacity is not sufficient to handle such reasonings. But don't worry, ignorance is bliss, Yinka son of Noah

You didn't read my posts..not even the links. SMH!