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Re: There Are Atheists Who Acknowledge the Existence of the Creator of the Universe by Sapiosexuality(m): 6:22pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
What I don't understand is how some people call themselves Agnostic Atheist. Meaning what exactly kwanu? An oxymoron of a million autistic proportion. Lol. Just looking for trouble but I don't mind answers. 1 Like |
Re: There Are Atheists Who Acknowledge the Existence of the Creator of the Universe by samsam2019: 6:32pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
Of course. There are million of people who have read the bible thoroughly and realised the lies, contradiction and inconsistencies and realised a god with common sense can never write that book . I also believe there might be a god but 100% certain the creator is not the bible or Christian god. That one has no sense 1 Like |
Re: There Are Atheists Who Acknowledge the Existence of the Creator of the Universe by Nobody: 6:42pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
samsam2019: sapiosexuality here is the answer to your question. |
Re: There Are Atheists Who Acknowledge the Existence of the Creator of the Universe by KingEbukasBlog(m): 7:05pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
samsam2019: How did God write the bible ? And where in the bible notes that God wrote it ? |
Re: There Are Atheists Who Acknowledge the Existence of the Creator of the Universe by JackBizzle: 7:09pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: Why are you so dubious? You know what he meant. Is the bible not inspired and directed by God even though he didnt write it? Is it not the word of God. Ogbeni, you will always be a slippery and dubious person. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: There Are Atheists Who Acknowledge the Existence of the Creator of the Universe by pat1612(m): 7:19pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
Every atheist is a believer ![]() Him or her belief is that what believer believe doesnt exist ![]() |
Re: There Are Atheists Who Acknowledge the Existence of the Creator of the Universe by MrMystrO(m): 7:21pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
jostmof: And i Also Hope you find Enlightenment And free yourself from the shackles of Religious Slavery. That's my best Advice to you. 2 Likes |
Re: There Are Atheists Who Acknowledge the Existence of the Creator of the Universe by Kingsleytobe(m): 7:26pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
ive always pondered the notion of personal gods in the igbo traditon the chi is the representarion of ones god, in the ancient mythios of greece they are numerous number of gods zeus, poseidon and the like. So the concept of one God controlling the universe is hard to comprehend, even in the bible when one posses the holy spirit he or she becomes godlike and can then be seen as a diety. 1 Like |
Re: There Are Atheists Who Acknowledge the Existence of the Creator of the Universe by AgentOfAllah: 7:26pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: Fundamentally, the Big bang theory is a retropolation of the observed expansion of the known universe to a point particle, using the known laws of physics. As such, your statement is inaccurate for the the following reasons: (1) There may yet be parts of the universe that remain unknown, which may completely falsify the big bang theory. (2) once the universe is shrunk to a size with diameter approximately the scale of Plank's length, the known laws of physics completely breakdown, including those of quantum physics. This doesn't mean the universe ceases to exist at such scales, it just means we don't have any laws to describe anything that might exist at such a scale. Clearly, this implies that there are unknown laws of physics which haven't been accounted for. So, until we rule out all possible laws, it is flippant to claim that "all matter and energy came into existence in the big bang". Usually, when physicists say things like the universe came into existence with the big bang, the phrase "as we know it" is always an implied preceding caveat. It is unfortunate that this point isn't usually made clear in materials dealing with the subject of the big bang, but that's just what it is. If you did read between the lines of several materials on the origin of the universe, however, this point becomes more obvious. Take this Forbes article for example, where it is said that: "If we were to extrapolate “infinitely” far back, we’d reach a singularity, where physics breaks down. With our modern understanding of the very early Universe, we know that an inflationary state preceded the hot, dense Big Bang, and that inflationary state was of an indeterminate duration. So when we speak of “the age of the Universe,” we’re talking about how much time has passed since the Universe could first be described by the hot Big Bang until the present day." Or even this Hawkins article on the origin of time: "At a singularity, all the laws of physics would have broken down. This means that the state of the universe, after the Big Bang, will not depend on anything that may have happened before, because the deterministic laws that govern the universe will break down in the Big Bang. The universe will evolve from the Big Bang, completely independently of what it was like before. Even the amount of matter in the universe, can be different to what it was before the Big Bang, as the Law of Conservation of Matter, will break down at the Big Bang." Did you notice that even Steven Hawkins was careful not to rule out the existence of matter before the big bang! Bottom line: Be circumspect about your claims! Cc: Proudgorgeousga 2 Likes |
Re: There Are Atheists Who Acknowledge the Existence of the Creator of the Universe by uwajeh(m): 7:30pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
I believe they are called agnostics not atheists. Agnostics believe there may be a God but that there is no conclusive proof of God's existence. Atheists believe there is no God simpliciter. 1 Like |
Re: There Are Atheists Who Acknowledge the Existence of the Creator of the Universe by Nobody: 7:43pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: Anyone who believes that someone created the universe is not an atheist. I think they call them creationists 1 Like |
Re: There Are Atheists Who Acknowledge the Existence of the Creator of the Universe by KingEbukasBlog(m): 7:47pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
@ AgentofAllah Correction noted but this does not suggest that matter and energy are eternal , does it ? Because we are used to the false dichotomy atheists bring up |
Re: There Are Atheists Who Acknowledge the Existence of the Creator of the Universe by KingEbukasBlog(m): 7:50pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
PrecisionFx: That's not true . And I explained why in the OP Whether the universe is created or not is not exactly a theist vs atheist argument . There are theists who believe the universe was not created and they are usually the pantheists - those who believe this universe is the totality of everything . |
Re: There Are Atheists Who Acknowledge the Existence of the Creator of the Universe by KingEbukasBlog(m): 7:56pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
uwajeh: The pantheists believe the universe is God . In fact , physical entities were seen as gods : Humans , planets , sun , moon etc . Are atheists saying that these do not exist ? Of course not . They just rejecting deifying these entities or seeing them as Gods . Agnosticism isn't really in between theism and atheism as people think |
Re: There Are Atheists Who Acknowledge the Existence of the Creator of the Universe by AgentOfAllah: 8:06pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: Correct, it doesn't! Crucially, though, it does also leave open the possibility that they are! |
Re: There Are Atheists Who Acknowledge the Existence of the Creator of the Universe by Nobody: 8:13pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: A panetheist is not an Atheist. Creation of the universe Is what stands between belief in God n disbelief in God 2 Likes |
Re: There Are Atheists Who Acknowledge the Existence of the Creator of the Universe by butterflyl1on: 8:14pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
samsam2019: So which one has sense and what are supposed to be the attributes of your ideal picture of God? |
Re: There Are Atheists Who Acknowledge the Existence of the Creator of the Universe by rosalieene(f): 8:18pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
hmmmmmmm woe unto those who say there is no God. |
Re: There Are Atheists Who Acknowledge the Existence of the Creator of the Universe by KingEbukasBlog(m): 8:34pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
AgentOfAllah: But this does not imply the universe itself as a whole is eternal , does it ? Unless you are presupposing that matter is all there is ![]() |
Re: There Are Atheists Who Acknowledge the Existence of the Creator of the Universe by Vello(m): 8:37pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
OliviaPope:Hey Olivia. Could you by any chance be that same Olivia from LASU satellite campus at Anthony in 2011 or thereabout? If you are, I'm Mr. Bello from SHODEX. That piece of info sufficiently juggle your memory. Should it be I'm wrong, please disregard. Thanks |
Re: There Are Atheists Who Acknowledge the Existence of the Creator of the Universe by budaatum: 8:49pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
urahara:You noticed the agony? He is going through a metamorphosis. Rebirth is painful. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: There Are Atheists Who Acknowledge the Existence of the Creator of the Universe by budaatum: 8:53pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:Excuse me. But when I committed this sin with Empedocles, you made me serve penance! Serve Penance jo! |
Re: There Are Atheists Who Acknowledge the Existence of the Creator of the Universe by hopefulLandlord: 8:54pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
AgentOfAllah: Interesting 1 Like |
Re: There Are Atheists Who Acknowledge the Existence of the Creator of the Universe by budaatum: 8:58pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
Sapiosexuality:Sounds like, "one who doesn't quite know if gods exist or not but doesn't believe in their existence." |
Re: There Are Atheists Who Acknowledge the Existence of the Creator of the Universe by Nobody: 9:03pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
hopefulLandlord:and you had to mention me just to type interesting ![]() |
Re: There Are Atheists Who Acknowledge the Existence of the Creator of the Universe by hopefulLandlord: 9:04pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
Proudgorgeousga:hahaha, it skipped my attention that the post copied you ![]() 1 Like |
Re: There Are Atheists Who Acknowledge the Existence of the Creator of the Universe by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:09pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
budaatum: Ok tell me , what has the nonsense he posted have to do with the OP ? Because I don't see it . Im trying to describe what the rejection of deification means to an atheist with a pantheistic view of what God is as an example and He is telling me deep down bla bla bla Yahweh bla bla bla ![]() ![]() 1 Like |
Re: There Are Atheists Who Acknowledge the Existence of the Creator of the Universe by JackBizzle: 9:13pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: ![]() Soon, you willstart remxing deism and "atheistic christianity" Nonsense |
Re: There Are Atheists Who Acknowledge the Existence of the Creator of the Universe by Obi1kenobi(m): 9:22pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
This is not really saying anything. The word "atheist" in the daily English lexicon is often used loosely to describe non-theistic people. Seeing as they're not some organized body subscribing to any central creed, it's obvious many would differ on exactly what they believe. 1 Like |
Re: There Are Atheists Who Acknowledge the Existence of the Creator of the Universe by samsam2019: 9:33pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:I've slays said it, all you bible warriors don't even read the bullshit bible Go read 2 Timothy 3:16–3:17: |
Re: There Are Atheists Who Acknowledge the Existence of the Creator of the Universe by samsam2019: 9:36pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
butterflyl1on:honestly man don't need god. We don't need him at al for anything. We are super intelligent and adaptable enough to handle every obstacle we face on earth. I'm not certain there is a god or not. But if there is a creator I'm very sure he's not interested in whatever is happening and has already left us to face our ish alone 1 Like |
Re: There Are Atheists Who Acknowledge the Existence of the Creator of the Universe by oglalasioux(m): 9:47pm On Oct 29, 2017 |
If something or someone made the universe we are still far from finding out. For now the biblical and koranic gods including those of our traditional religions don't exist. I'm not personally saying there's no God. But I'm 100% convinced my assertion above is true. |
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