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Re: Naruto Fans, Come In Here, And Let's Discuss by Nobody: 9:16am On Oct 22, 2017
10kgod:

Sorry....
Cannot type for now.....
That's why I said we shud create either whatsapp or telegram Group.


There's is already a group but, I'm not a member.


Will appreciate if I can find one
Re: Naruto Fans, Come In Here, And Let's Discuss by Nobody: 9:27am On Oct 22, 2017
Ryabcool:
please where can I download the Manga? Been searching and searching but to no avail
Pardon me for this late response, bro. I didn't ignore you. Just seeing this.

You can download it here: www.mangapanda.com/boruto
Re: Naruto Fans, Come In Here, And Let's Discuss by Nobody: 9:31am On Oct 22, 2017
comradespade:
How does sasuke make hand seals without his other hand. And he seem more weaker to me.


Just my opinion
It seems like both Naruto and Sasuke have climbed beyond the crystal spheres in their own minds, and arrived at the conclusion that they can't be defeated, which makes it difficult for them to come down from their high pedestal and use their full power against any new enemies. They believe they're the peak of power, and can't possibly be reached by roaches and vermins.

I think it's an ego thing.
Re: Naruto Fans, Come In Here, And Let's Discuss by Ryabcool(m): 9:31am On Oct 22, 2017
ZandhaZaraZ:
Pardon me for this late response, bro. I didn't ignore you. Just seeing this.

You can download it here: www.mangapanda.com/boruto
I appreciate you fam
Re: Naruto Fans, Come In Here, And Let's Discuss by Nobody: 9:34am On Oct 22, 2017
Ryabcool:
I appreciate you fam
You're welcome, bro. smiley
Re: Naruto Fans, Come In Here, And Let's Discuss by Nobody: 9:42am On Oct 22, 2017
ZandhaZaraZ:
It seems like both Naruto and Sasuke have climbed beyond the crystal spheres in their own minds, and arrived at the conclusion that they can't be defeated, which makes it difficult for them to come down from their eye pedestal and use their full power against any new enemies. They believe they're the peak of power, and can't possibly be reached by roaches and vermins.

I think it's an ego thing.



Ego? That ain't right.



I know they are still going a dreadful opponent which is even bigger than black zetsu and kaguya...so what you said is just an assumption. Let's see how it all plays out.
Re: Naruto Fans, Come In Here, And Let's Discuss by Nobody: 9:44am On Oct 22, 2017
comradespade:




Ego? That ain't right.



I know they are still going a dreadful opponent which is even bigger than black zetsu and kaguya...so what you said is just an assumption. Let's see how it all plays out.
Well, you're right. It's just an assumption. Let's see how it goes.
Re: Naruto Fans, Come In Here, And Let's Discuss by Nobody: 9:48am On Oct 22, 2017
ZandhaZaraZ:
Well, you're right. It's just an assumption. Let's see how it goes.



Alright.



But, is black zetsu really dead?
Re: Naruto Fans, Come In Here, And Let's Discuss by Nobody: 9:55am On Oct 22, 2017
comradespade:




Alright.



But, is black zetsu really dead?
Absolutely, bruh. He was permanently sealed with Kaguya in her dimension where no one is ever going to free them.
Re: Naruto Fans, Come In Here, And Let's Discuss by Nobody: 9:59am On Oct 22, 2017
ZandhaZaraZ:
Absolutely, bruh. He was permanently sealed with Kaguya in her dimension where no one is ever going to free them.



I don't think so...I know someone seeking for dark powers is still going to unlock the dimension and free black zetsu.



Mizuki comes to mind
Re: Naruto Fans, Come In Here, And Let's Discuss by Nobody: 10:11am On Oct 22, 2017
comradespade:




I don't think so...I know someone seeking for dark powers is still going to unlock the dimension and free black zetsu.



Mizuki comes to mind
You think so? Mizuki is a friend and admirer of Boruto. Why do you think he would turn villianious?
Re: Naruto Fans, Come In Here, And Let's Discuss by Nobody: 10:26am On Oct 22, 2017
ZandhaZaraZ:
You think so? Mizuki is a friend and admirer of Boruto. Why do you think he would turn villianious?



Have you forgotten his dad is the cunning orochimaru?


Seeking evil power runs in their DNA
Re: Naruto Fans, Come In Here, And Let's Discuss by Nobody: 10:30am On Oct 22, 2017
comradespade:



Have you forgotten his dad is the cunning orochimaru?

Seeking evil power runs in their DNA
Lol. grin
Let's see how it unfolds then.
Re: Naruto Fans, Come In Here, And Let's Discuss by Nobody: 11:01am On Oct 22, 2017
ZandhaZaraZ:
Lol. grin

Let's see how it unfolds then.



Alright
Re: Naruto Fans, Come In Here, And Let's Discuss by Nobody: 3:07pm On Oct 22, 2017
Boruto is fucking boring
Re: Naruto Fans, Come In Here, And Let's Discuss by 10kgod(m): 8:45am On Oct 23, 2017
comradespade:


There's is already a group but, I'm not a member.

Will appreciate if I can find one
I too.... Am looking for 1. But we can create ıt nah....
Re: Naruto Fans, Come In Here, And Let's Discuss by Nobody: 9:43am On Oct 23, 2017
10kgod:


I too.... Am looking for 1.
But we can create ıt nah....


If you are ready, let me know
Re: Naruto Fans, Come In Here, And Let's Discuss by 10kgod(m): 11:42am On Oct 23, 2017
comradespade:



If you are ready, let me know

Lol....
Am ready...
Its just that we are the only one here that is talking about creatıng the group.....
Others does not say anything on ıt.
Re: Naruto Fans, Come In Here, And Let's Discuss by matsonj3(m): 6:02pm On Oct 23, 2017
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Re: Naruto Fans, Come In Here, And Let's Discuss by Nobody: 7:39pm On Oct 23, 2017
matsonj3:
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Re: Naruto Fans, Come In Here, And Let's Discuss by matsonj3(m): 9:43pm On Oct 23, 2017
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Re: Naruto Fans, Come In Here, And Let's Discuss by 10kgod(m): 11:00pm On Oct 23, 2017
matsonj3:
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Re: Naruto Fans, Come In Here, And Let's Discuss by Nobody: 3:06pm On Oct 29, 2017
AlmiqhteeAllah:
Here's another:

Naruto's Motivation for Being Hokage

He originally wanted to be Hokage so that people would pay attention to him. This is.......pretty disgusting right off the bat. Sure, he was 12 when he decided this, and sure, when he was 16 Kishimoto introduced this whole "No, he actually will become Hokage because people acknowledge him, so it's the OPPOSITE! of what he meant as a child and therefore it's perfectly acceptable!" idea. An idea, mind you, that was never really enforced. Naruto continued to be desperately needy and attention-demanding of literally everyone around him right up to the end of the manga. Naruto likes attention. He likes people to worship him. He likes people to praise him and look up to him. It is a central aspect of his character and this alone makes him unfit to be a leader, IMO.


Do you consider this a fair and accurate assessment of Naruto's character?

In my opinion the naruto of his boyhood was no longer the naruto of his adulthood and i think as much as a boy, what brought him out to be a hokage(recognition), was a means to an end, it was a way of destiny bringing him out to change the ninja world, remember he was the chosen one. One of the most popular Catholic priests in my state told me it was because when he was small, he used to perceive the nice aroma of food from father's kitchen that he swore to become priest, now he is one of the most successful priests in the diocese. His early reason was at best childish and it is acceptable because he was a mere child then.

Another reason why he was made hokage was because he severally saved the village. He saved konoha from pain's invasion, he saved the world during the great ninja war. Even if at first recognition attracted him, in the end, it was sacrifice that finally earned him the title, cause he sacrificed his all for the village and world.

In my opinion, it is really Itachi that deserves hokage title most. He paid the ultimate price for the village, killing off his rebellious clan and dying as outcast. His love for konoha is unrivalled; i doubt first hokage would be able to kill off his entire clan to ensure peace remains between senju and uchiha
Re: Naruto Fans, Come In Here, And Let's Discuss by Feraz(m): 10:59pm On Oct 30, 2017
AlmiqhteeAllah:
The Naruto series has ended and I still remain a fan. I really love the series. It's one of my favourite manga and anime series.

So, I was on tumblr a few days ago, and came across certain criticisms of the Naruto series and the eponymous character himself. And, being the objective type, I think the concerns raised are issues worth talking about. I personally think there were many ideas and objectives Kishimoto raised at different point in the series which he seemed to have discarded, and failed to either solve or address in the end.

The following is what a critic has got to say about Naruto Uzumaki. I wanna know what you guys think:

Pro-ending people often yell at us like "No one said Naruto is perfect, it has flaws, but....."


and I'd be thinking "Naruto is just flaws".


99% of the anime I've watched have some glaring flaws, and I don't make a blog to shit on them. Naruto is different, it's mostly just made of flaws. Good points are few and far between. The entertaining thing about Naruto is it's so bad it's funny. You'd never expect a 15 year shonen series to end without a single positive change, without a single important thing resolved, right? but that's exactlu what happened in naruto. Not a goddam change in the shinobi system.


Most literature for children tell them you can change the world if you fight for what's right e.g Hunger games and Harry Potter. Naruto tells you don't try to change anything, you'd fail. Just conform to authorities and the status quo, and you'd be recognised. Naruto is just unbelievable, tbh I do feel bad for those anti who say Naruto is their childhood.

What are your thoughts on this?
Nothing changed ke? How about the peace and cooperation that was achieved? Weren't the villages at loggerheads with one another till Naruto made them have the peace they currently are enjoying?

Were people not later on friendly towards the bijuus? The same Naruto taught people about what my siggy says.

I hopefully should dissect other points tomorrow.

comradespade:




Ego? That ain't right.



I know they are still going a dreadful opponent which is even bigger than black zetsu and kaguya...so what you said is just an assumption. Let's see how it all plays out.
There's an Otsutsuki remaining and I think he's going to be more powerful than Momoshiki and Kinshiki combined.
Re: Naruto Fans, Come In Here, And Let's Discuss by Nobody: 10:43pm On Nov 06, 2017
Funnicator:


In my opinion the naruto of his boyhood was no longer the naruto of his adulthood and i think as much as a boy, what brought him out to be a hokage(recognition), was a means to an end, it was a way of destiny bringing him out to change the ninja world, remember he was the chosen one. One of the most popular Catholic priests in my state told me it was because when he was small, he used to perceive the nice aroma of food from father's kitchen that he swore to become priest, now he is one of the most successful priests in the diocese. His early reason was at best childish and it is acceptable because he was a mere child then.

Another reason why he was made hokage was because he severally saved the village. He saved konoha from pain's invasion, he saved the world during the great ninja war. Even if at first recognition attracted him, in the end, it was sacrifice that finally earned him the title, cause he sacrificed his all for the village and world.

In my opinion, it is really Itachi that deserves hokage title most. He paid the ultimate price for the village, killing off his rebellious clan and dying as outcast. His love for konoha is unrivalled; i doubt first hokage would be able to kill off his entire clan to ensure peace remains between senju and uchiha
This is a great post, bruv. I appreciate this perspective. You're remarkable.

Remember that Sasuke said the same thing to Naruto before their final battle---that Itachi is the IDEAL Hokage, and he [Sasuke] wants to make even greater sacrifice and become a Hokage of Itachi's ilk.

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Re: Naruto Fans, Come In Here, And Let's Discuss by Nobody: 10:46pm On Nov 06, 2017
Feraz:
Nothing changed ke? How about the peace and cooperation that was achieved? Weren't the villages at loggerheads with one another till Naruto made them have the peace they currently are enjoying?

Were people not later on friendly towards the bijuus? The same Naruto taught people about what my siggy says.

I hopefully should dissect other points tomorrow.
Nice. I hope you realize it wasn't MY opinion, though. smiley

There's an Otsutsuki remaining and I think he's going to be more powerful than Momoshiki and Kinshiki combined.
Who could that be?
Re: Naruto Fans, Come In Here, And Let's Discuss by Nobody: 7:17am On Nov 07, 2017
AlmiqhteeAllah:
This is a great post, bruv. I appreciate this perspective. You're remarkable.

Remember that Sasuke said the same thing to Naruto before their final battle---that Itachi is the IDEAL Hokage, and he [Sasuke] wants to make even greater sacrifice and become a Hokage of Itachi's ilk.
However you're right. Naruto failed in his quest. He failed to bring a true end to the hate and vicious cycles of war in ninja world. He failed to quench the caste system in hyuga clan.

He failed to honor Itachi, I'm rather disappointed in him. Him and Kakashi Hatake.
Re: Naruto Fans, Come In Here, And Let's Discuss by Nobody: 7:24am On Nov 07, 2017
Funnicator:

However you're right. Naruto failed in his quest. He failed to bring a true end to the hate and vicious cycles of war in ninja world. He failed to quench the caste system in hyuga clan.

He failed to honor Itachi, I'm rather disappointed in him. Him and Kakashi Hatake.
Well, I've always known his quest was unachievable. He and Jiraiya were excessively idealistic. The villians had more realistic visions of peace, ones that could have solved it all, once and for all.

I was sympathetic towards Madara and Obito's Tsuki No Me Keikaku [Eye of the Moon Plan] until it was revealed that their dream was a misconception and actually unachievable---it was a product of Black Zetsu's deceit.

Theirs would have provided a better solution than Naruto's, in my opinion.
Re: Naruto Fans, Come In Here, And Let's Discuss by Feraz(m): 5:43pm On Nov 08, 2017
Funnicator:

However you're right. Naruto failed in his quest. He failed to bring a true end to the hate and vicious cycles of war in ninja world. He failed to quench the caste system in hyuga clan.

He failed to honor Itachi, I'm rather disappointed in him. Him and Kakashi Hatake.
No sir! I somewhat disagree with you. Naruto may have ended it as evident from his marriage to Hinata (the heir to the Hyuga clan which we know the Hyugas don't marry outside their clans, not especially the heirs). The manga never said so about him not honouring Itachi, besides, Itachi would have want to remain the 'villain' in the history of Konoha. Also recall Naruto made certain information about the Uchihas classified; this is to protect the Uchiha, and this also made Sarada feel loved among the villagers. If he didn't and everything about the Uchihas was taught at the academy, she may have been worse than Naruto and Sasuke in terms of loneliness.

AlmiqhteeAllah:
Nice. I hope you realize it wasn't MY opinion, though. smiley

Who could that be?
Yes bro! I realise it wasn't your opinion. Apologies if my post came across as attacking you. As for the Otsutsuki, it is yet to be revealed.



The above has Momoshiki and Kinshiki. The last by the left is yet to be revealed.

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Re: Naruto Fans, Come In Here, And Let's Discuss by Feraz(m): 5:56pm On Nov 08, 2017
AlmiqhteeAllah:
What about this?:

Naruto's Complete Inability to Empathize With Others Unless He Can See Himself in Them in Some Manner

This is really just awful character trait, especially for a leader. I explained in detail in this post before the series ended, and it's still very accurate. There is this idea, aggressively promoted by Kishi, that Naruto is "understanding", that there is something innately special about him because he can understand and help others. This is true to a small extent. Naruto can only understand others, and is only even interested in helping others, when he sees himself in them and can turn the conversation to himself. He never cared about Gaara at all until he discovered their similarities. Obito? That was someone he repeatedly expressed disinterest in until he found out he wanted to be Hokage and then whoah, best friends! Because he had a chance to make everything about himself. Sakura and Kakashi, his own team-mates, are regularly ignored, their feelings trampled on by Naruto, because he can't identify with them. Sasuke, his own best friend, he is suddenly disinterested in unless Sasuke says something that he can turn into a rivalry with himself.

Throughout the entire series he very, very rarely questioned "why" of anyone except for villians who he found he could manipulate. This shows extreme selfishness, sometimes hidden under the guise of superficial empathy, again a terrible trait for a leader.


How true is this? Do you see it the same way?
He was never 'best of friends' with Obito. . .lol. Heck, he only appreciates Obito for his contribution towards ending the war in form of protecting him from being struck by Kaguya and for also reviving him. He saw the most innate desire of Obito, which was being a hokage (Naruto's dream), he saw how lonely Obito was (an orphan like him) and constantly did things to be acknowledged by the village, he saw Obito's struggles with his teammate and his love for Rin who loved Kakashi in turn (or so); this enabled him empathize with Obito because he had been there.

Gaara was not his business till Gaara threatened his friends and the village he loved, that was when he stepped in. Till the end, he fought even when they were both on the floor till Sasuke told him that Sakura and others were safe before he lost consciousness. Gaara turned out good later on having seen a jinchuuriki who was happy with his power and how he used it to protect those he loved unlike the way he Gaara was using; he even helped in their trying to bring Sasuke back to the village.

I wouldn't deny the talk-no-jutsu was a bit annoying but really, he was able to achieve some of these because he had somehow been in their position.

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Re: Naruto Fans, Come In Here, And Let's Discuss by Feraz(m): 6:14pm On Nov 08, 2017
AlmiqhteeAllah:
This one got to me:

Naruto is rotten to the core.

Naruto drums in the idea that state is more important than your family over and over, love the state, Sacrifice yourself for the state, those who oppose the state are fools, anyone with legitimate grievances towards the state should endure and do nothing.

Naruto demonises a group of people for trying to lead a coup against a Fascist Military Dictatorship, whilst canonizing a man who murdered his family in the name of national security. By the end of the series Naruto and Sasuke have become part of the System, neglecting their families because the state is more important, indoctrinating a new group of children into the religion of the state.

There is no culpability in Naruto. You can commit crimes against humanity that would make Josef Mengele blush and be left alone to your own devices. Naruto takes a stroll with Orochimaru through his hideous laboratory and doesn't even bat an eyelid.



I consider this to be the most important point raised. What do you all think of the Uchiha Affair? Konoha and Uchiha remind me of Nigeria and the Igbos, and the moral and political issues involved are quite similar.

What are your views on the issue?

Not that state was more important than family but that the next generation is important. It taught us that whatever we do, we should always think of the next generation. This led Minato and Kushina sacrificing themselves for Konoha, it led to Tobirama being a decoy to let the next generation live and carry on the will of fire, it led to Itachi killing his clan, having experienced what was is, it led to Jiraiya sacrificing himself despite having the chance to escape and regroup, it led to Neji sacrificing himself for Naruto and Hinata to see a peaceful Konoha where there will be no caste system, it made the stubborn Oonoki change his hard stance on using the bijuus as weapons for war etc.

Danzo had no legitimate grievance towards Konoha except that they have become soft that other villages can now try to wage war on them.

Indra, Madara, Danzo, Pain all thought ruling the world with force was the solution to peace; Ashura, Hashimara, Hizuren, even Itachi all thought that cooperation with one another will bring about peace and this can be applied to our current world.

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Re: Naruto Fans, Come In Here, And Let's Discuss by Nobody: 6:46pm On Nov 08, 2017
Feraz:
No sir! I somewhat disagree with you. Naruto may have ended it as evident from his marriage to Hinata (the heir to the Hyuga clan which we know the Hyugas don't marry outside their clans, not especially the heirs). The manga never said so about him not honouring Itachi, besides, Itachi would have want to remain the 'villain' in the history of Konoha. Also recall Naruto made certain information about the Uchihas classified; this is to protect the Uchiha, and this also made Sarada feel loved among the villagers. If he didn't and everything about the Uchihas was taught at the academy, she may have been worse than Naruto and Sasuke in terms of loneliness.
Wow! Feraz, you're simply amazing. It fascinates me how some people can look at things from entirely different angles. This is nice.

Yes bro! I realise it wasn't your opinion. Apologies if my post came across as attacking you. As for the Otsutsuki, it is yet to be revealed.



The above has Momoshiki and Kinshiki. The last by the left is yet to be revealed.
Hmmm. Interesting. We should be expecting some epic showdown, then.

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