To the OP, If you wanna be a Christian at least know the basics, the church of the new testament wasn't referring to a physical building, it was referring to the body of christ/christian gatherings, in revelation John was instructed to give scrolls to seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna,Sardis, etc, you assume he was talking about buildings with pastors in it? God doesn't live in 'temples' anymore, the body of believers is the temple of God. No where does it talk about giving tithes to pastors, infact Jesus kept telling us how hard it is for a rich man to make heaven, told his disciples to sell/leave their earthly treasures, scattered the trades at the temple,
If you really want to give to the most high, consider this verse ''Then people brought little children to Jesus for him to place his hands on them and pray for them. But the disciples rebuked them. Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.'' Look for less privileged children/widows and sow in their lives, school fees, food, books, bags etc

Used to be an atheist until I realized atheism is a religion on it's own, for to be an atheist, your religion has to be science, the type of science that deny's a creator and accepts creation was a coming together of a lot coincidences.
And the craziness that the bible is a white mans book only works for people that haven't read the bible.

I understand the confusion by some of us regarding the issue of tithing and the skewed way people have interpreted the Bible for their personal gain!
The Bible is not a story book, it is the word of God personified! Jesus is the word itself. Now in John 1 vs 1. Everything captured today was Jesus personified. Ask yourself believers why didn't Jesus or any of his apostles discus tithing with emphasis in his time or Post his era?
Here is the simple reason, Tithing or no tithing doesn't qualify you to gain access to the kingdom of God! otherwise the rich of this world would have.
Secondly, The believers need to read Malachi chapter 3; 1 -18 and let the spirit give you understanding and lead you. But some churches have manipulated Malachi considering only 3 vs 8-10. Here me, God is talking about our righteousness as offerings and bring the tithes and offerings to God in his Church so that the poor, the widows, the neglected can have meat in his house and blessed the name of the lord!
this is what Paul was trying to do, so that their will be meat in God's house not tithe please. Get it today; you can not buy God's blessings with money!
Preachers are just exploiting you, it's your righteousness that you can use, If you love God keep is commandment John 14 vs 15. EXo 24 vs 25 are a few of God's words! Don't think after you polluted yourself with some kind of dealings then bringing tithe saves you? Never.
This is equally for the pastors, Malachi 2 was emphasizing how you do this days and deceive people and weary God with polluted sacrifice be warned!

NwaAmaikpe:



Sorry to differ with you.
But the giving of monetary offerings to the church as tithe is wrong, it is unbiblical and purely exploitative.

The Bible is perspicuous about tithing.
Deuteronomy 14 : 22-27
Explains the process of tithing which our devilish pastors never tell us.






Besides none of our Pastors in Nigeria are from the tribe of Levi (Only Levites receive tithes)

Kindly study it and be blessed.

Op will never read Dat part of d Bible,yet he's tagging pple as been brainwashed... Not knowing he's d one Dat needs to be delivered from d spirit of ignorance....
Many Christians are so lazy to sit with d word and study it cos in it is Light to shine all crookedness of modern day pastoprenuers

hardasan:

Christians in the old testament paid tithe. In the new testament, nobody condemned tithes. Jesus even said : give to ceaser what belongs to ceaser, give to God what belongs to God. what belongs to God ? Or haven't you heard about praising God with your substance ?
We see Christians in the new testament giving all they have to support the church.

You're kicking against tithes.

There were no Christians in the Old Testament!

NwaAmaikpe:



Sorry to differ with you.
But the giving of monetary offerings to the church as tithe is wrong, it is unbiblical and purely exploitative.

The Bible is perspicuous about tithing.
Deuteronomy 14 : 22-27
Explains the process of tithing which our devilish pastors never tell us.

Besides none of our Pastors in Nigeria are from the tribe of Levi (Only Levites receive tithes)

Kindly study it and be blessed.

Dat was in d Old Testament mister.

Gggg102:

He was a tent maker
2nd Thessalonians chapter 3

Ch 3 vs what?


Peter and other disciples that left what they were doing and followed Jesus, how were they taking care of their families even after the ascension of Jesus Christ?

The commandment to tithe was part of the Law that Jehovah God gave to the 12 tribes of ancient Israel more than 3,500 years ago. That Law decreed that a tenth of the produce of the land and fruit trees and a tenth of the increase of the herds be given to the tribe of Levi in support of their services at the tabernacle.—Leviticus 27:30, 32; Numbers 18:21, 24.

Jehovah assured the Israelites that the Law ‘would not be too difficult for them.’ (Deuteronomy 30:11) As long as they faithfully observed Jehovah’s commandments, including tithing, they had his promise of abundant harvests. And as a protection, an additional yearly tithe, normally consumed when the nation met for its religious festivities, was regularly set aside. Thus ‘the alien resident, the fatherless boy, and the widow’ could be satisfied.—Deuteronomy 14:28, 29; 28:1, 2, 11-14.
Nehemiah: 37* and the first of our cooked cereals and our contributions and the fruit of every woody stem, grape-juice and oil, we will bring for the priests to the vestries of our God’s house; and the tithe of our soil is for the Levites, and they, the Levites, are the ones who take up the tithes in all our working cities, ... 38 and the priest, the son of Aaron, is to be with the Levites when the Levites take up the tithes; and the Levites are to bring up the tithe of the tithe to Jehovah’s house, into the vestries of the storage house.

Numbers: 21 And unto the children of Levi, behold, I have given all the tithe in Israel for an inheritance, in return for their service which they serve, even the service of the tent of meeting. ... 24 For the tithe of the children of Israel, which they offer as a heave-offering unto Jehovah, I have given to the Levites for an inheritance: therefore I have said unto them, Among the children of Israel they shall have no inheritance.

Deuteronomy: 17 Thou mayest not eat within thy gates the tithe of thy grain, or of thy new wine, or of thine oil, or the firstlings of thy herd or of thy flock, nor any of thy vows which thou vowest, nor thy freewill-offerings, nor the heave-offering of thy hand; ... 22 Thou shalt surely tithe all the increase of thy seed, that which cometh forth from the field year by year.


The Law did not specify a penalty for failing to tithe, but each Israelite was under a strong moral obligation to support true worship in this way. In fact, Jehovah accused Israelites who neglected tithing in Malachi’s day of ‘robbing him in tithes and offerings.’ (Malachi 3:8, New International Version) Could the same charge be leveled at Christians who do not tithe?

Well, consider. National laws are not normally valid outside a country’s borders. For example, the law that obliges motorists in Britain to drive on the left does not apply to drivers in France. Similarly, the law requiring tithing was part of an exclusive covenant between God and the nation of Israel. (Exodus 19:3-8; Psalm 147:19, 20) Only the Israelites were bound by that law.

In addition, although it is true that God never changes, his requirements sometimes do. (Malachi 3:6) The Bible states categorically that the sacrificial death of Jesus, in 33 C.E., “blotted out,” or “abolished,” the Law and with it the “commandment to collect tithes.”—Colossians 2:13, 14; Ephesians 2:13-15; Hebrews 7:5, 18.

In essence, Under the Mosaic Law, a tenth of the produce of the land and a tenth of the increase of the herds and flocks were given to the Levites yearly to support them. The Levites gave a tenth of this tenth to the Aaronic priesthood to support them. There were some additional tithes as well. Tithing is not required of Christians.


However, contributions to support true worship were still needed.

About 55 C.E., an appeal went out to Gentile Christians in Europe and Asia Minor in behalf of the impoverished congregation in Judea. In his letters to the congregation in Corinth, the apostle Paul describes how this ‘collection for the holy ones’ was organized. (1 Corinthians 16:1) You may be surprised at what Paul’s words reveal about Christian giving.

The apostle Paul did not cajole fellow believers to give. In fact, Macedonian Christians who were “under affliction” and in “deep poverty” had to ‘keep begging him with much entreaty for the privilege of kindly giving and for a share in the ministry destined for the holy ones.’—2 Corinthians 8:1-4.

True, Paul encouraged the more affluent Corinthians to imitate their generous brothers in Macedonia. Even so, observes one reference work, he ‘declined to issue directives, preferring rather to request, suggest, encourage, or appeal. Spontaneity and warmth would be absent from the Corinthians’ giving if coercion were present.’ Paul knew that “God loves a cheerful giver,” not one who gives “grudgingly or under compulsion.”—2 Corinthians 9:7.
Rather than specifying an amount or a percentage, Paul merely suggested that “on the first day of every week, each one . . . should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income.” (Italics ours; 1 Corinthians 16:2, NIV) By planning and reserving an amount on a regular basis, the Corinthians would not feel pressured into giving begrudgingly or on emotional impulse when Paul arrived. For each Christian, the decision of how much to give was to be a private matter, one that ‘he had resolved in his own heart.’—2 Corinthians 9:5, 7.

In summary, Tithe as we know it today is not tithe as it was in the mosaic law, which has been abolished:

Colossians 2:13 Furthermore, though you were dead in your trespasses and in the uncircumcised state of your flesh, God made you alive together with him. He kindly forgave us all our trespasses 14 and erased the handwritten document that consisted of decrees and was in opposition to us. He has taken it out of the way by nailing it to the torture stake.

Ephissians 2:12 At that time you were without Christ, alienated from the state of Israel, strangers to the covenants of the promise; you had no hope and were without God in the world. 13 But now in union with Christ Jesus, you who were once far off have come to be near by the blood of the Christ. 14 For he is our peace, the one who made the two groups one and destroyed the wall in between that fenced them off. 15 By means of his flesh he abolished the enmity, the Law of commandments consisting in decrees, in order to make the two groups in union with himself into one new man and to make peace


Conclusion: Read this bible verses:

Hebrew 7: 5 True, according to the Law, those of the sons of Leʹvi who receive their priestly office have a commandment to collect tithes from the people, that is, from their brothers, even though these are descendants of Abraham. 6 But this man who did not trace his genealogy from them took tithes from Abraham and blessed the one who had the promises. 7 Now it is undeniable that the lesser one is blessed by the greater 8 And in the one case, it is men who are dying who receive tithes, but in the other case, it is someone of whom witness is given that he lives. 9 And it could be said that even Leʹvi, who receives tithes, has paid tithes through Abraham, 10 for he was still a future descendant of his forefather when Mel·chizʹe·dek met him. 11 If, then, perfection was attainable through the Levitical priesthood (for it was a feature of the Law that was given to the people), what further need would there be for another priest to arisewho is said to be in the manner of Mel·chizʹe·dek and not in the manner of Aaron? 12 For since the priesthood is being changed, it becomes necessary to change the Law as well. 13 For the man about whom these things are said came from another tribe, from which no one has officiated at the altar. 14 For it is clear that our Lord has descended from Judah, yet Moses said nothing about priests coming from that tribe

hardasan:

Christians in the old testament paid tithe. In the new testament, nobody condemned tithes. Jesus even said : give to ceaser what belongs to ceaser, give to God what belongs to God. what belongs to God ? Or haven't you heard about praising God with your substance ?
We see Christians in the new testament giving all they have to support the church.

You're kicking against tithes.

there were no Christians in the old testament .. Christianity started after the death of Christ

PLEASE ANSWER THIS QUESTIONS?

1. DID JESUS PAY TITHES?

2. DID JESUS RECEIVE TITHES?

3. DID PAUL, PETER OR ANY OTHER APOSTLE RECEIVE TITHES?

4. DID PAUL, PETER OR ANY OTHER APOSTLE PAY TITHES?


For me, my own answers are:

1. YES.... to levites in the Temple

2. No, because his was not a levite

3. No, because he was not a levite

4. I can't say o

PointZerom:



Ch 3 vs what?


Peter and other disciples that left what they were doing and followed Jesus, how were they taking care of their families even after the ascension of Jesus Christ?

The whole of chapter 3

hardasan:


The bible asked us to bring of our increase,
It could be livestock and foodstuffs or money.
You are free to give whichever applies to you. Or even use ur tithe to buy commodities to give to the church just as u can sell ur commodity and give money. None is set in stone.

You don't give your tithe to the church. Read Deuteronomy where tithe was explained and how it should be given. What happens after the third year? Do you have to take it to the church too? Read, read and read.

all this una talk about tithes and bible verse don tire me. .n.a. who get work or money dey go pay tithe and una forget say we get reach 10million unemployed youth's in the country....

hardasan:


State ur facts

.you are just confusing yourself. how is a cup of water equal to payment of 10% of ur income every month to the church for eternity? these churches even get more internal generated revenue than the state and upon that, you will give "transportation offering, donations to buy things in church. if they are sincere, why not declare everything they get and tell us how it was spent.

saintmark88:



Ur argument is floored, we r not practicing Judaism so the laws of Moses doesn't apply to us. Dnt tell me the bible didn't condemn tithe so thts ur yardstick for practicing.

We follow the new testament.... Pls show me were in the new testament we were asked to tithe

hahaha so OT is for Jews while NT is for Christains, Religion eh

GambaOsaka:

PLEASE ANSWER THIS QUESTIONS?

1. DID JESUS PAY TITHES?

2. DID JESUS RECEIVE TITHES?

3. DID PAUL, PETER OR ANY OTHER APOSTLE RECEIVE TITHES?

4. DID PAUL, PETER OR ANY OTHER APOSTLE PAY TITHES?


For me, my own answers are:

1. YES.... to levites in the Temple

2. No, because his was not a levite

3. No, because he was not a levite

4. I can't say o

. as you give ur answers, back it up with bible verses.

hardasan:

The 10 commandements does not apply ?
The book of psalms is irrelevant ?
The wisdom of proverbs is old school ?
The prophecies of Daniel are outdated ?
The blessings of Abraham don't apply to you ?

Since the old testament is useless according to you, why not rip. It out of ur bible or better still, buy the bible that has only the new testament.
You can't claim Abraham's blessings and say you aren't under Judaism.
Your argument is flawed.

Jesus broke the 10 commandments to 2 .. Love of God and love your neighbor. so that doesnt count
the answer to ur question is simple. can u name any other Jewish law of the old testament aside tithe that Christians still follow?

anonimi:


I am not like you, bro.
I don't say anything of my own. I simply repeat what the Bible said in Deuteronomy 14, at which time there were Jews involved in non-farming activities.
If you want to argue with the Bible, you are On Your Own- OYO.

Be civil bit, we are learning and you can make ur point without insult.
My question is those there were into non~farming activities what should be there tithe?
Now this verse 25 of Deutronomy 14 you quoted
"then you shall turn it into money, and bind up the money in your hand, and go to the place which the Lord" your God chooses, please explain.

Saintinoo:
hahaha so OT is for Jews while NT is for Christains, Religion eh

Not the OT but the OT laws are not for Christians

Who are the Levi?

NwaAmaikpe:



Sorry to differ with you.
But the giving of monetary offerings to the church as tithe is wrong, it is unbiblical and purely exploitative.

The Bible is perspicuous about tithing.
Deuteronomy 14 : 22-27
Explains the process of tithing which our devilish pastors never tell us.

Besides none of our Pastors in Nigeria are from the tribe of Levi (Only Levites receive tithes)

Kindly study it and be blessed.

NwaAmaikpe:



Sorry to differ with you.
But the giving of monetary offerings to the church as tithe is wrong, it is unbiblical and purely exploitative.

The Bible is perspicuous about tithing.
Deuteronomy 14 : 22-27
Explains the process of tithing which our devilish pastors never tell us.

Besides none of our Pastors in Nigeria are from the tribe of Levi (Only Levites receive tithes)

Kindly study it and be blessed.

Be careful with the kind of words you use when talking about Pastors and Servants of GOD.

Saintinoo:
hahaha so OT is for Jews while NT is for Christains, Religion eh

Jesus came to correct some things and after the correction, he handed to us a new constitution. you don't refer to an old constitution when a new one have been passed into law.

slowie:
So Malachi 3:10 is no longer part of the bible. abi? because it doesn't sound nice to your ears
you choose to obey the part of bible that suites you, that you should EAT your tithe yourselves.
If that is what you have decided to do, its fine.
You can't possibly teach an adult how to spend his money.

Don't be lazy.
Don't allow yourself to be deceived and misled into hell fire by gods of men.
Seek knowledge of the Word of God so you don't perish.
The fraudulently used Malachi 3:10 is directed at the Levites who were stealing the part they were given of the tithes of AGRICULTURAL products in line with Deuteronomy 14.

Malachi 1 King James Version (KJV)

6 A son honoureth his father, and a servant his master: if then I be a father, where is mine honour? and if I be a master, where is my fear? saith the Lord of hosts unto you, O priests, that despise my name. And ye say, Wherein have we despised thy name?

7 Ye offer polluted bread upon mine altar; and ye say, Wherein have we polluted thee? In that ye say, The table of the Lord is contemptible.

8 And if ye offer the blind for sacrifice, is it not evil? and if ye offer the lame and sick, is it not evil? offer it now unto thy governor; will he be pleased with thee, or accept thy person? saith the Lord of hosts.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Malachi+1&version=KJV

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Gggg102:





wrong
u r d brainwasher and brainwashed

If not that u are making a valid point with ur subsequent posts i would have wondered at your reasoning cos someone gave scriptural references with explanation, but you said its wrong...wheareas u also gave a scriptural reference, should we now say urs is wrong too cos Malachi is more recent in bible times than Deuteronomy. Make this a discussion to learn from and not an arguement

SUNDAY SERMON: THE TRUTH ABOUT TITHING

I came across this piece on a Whatsapp page and it so represented my views on tithing that I could have written it myself. Please enjoy the read!

The Trial of Pastor Jones (Author unknown)

Judge: Mr. Jones you have been charged with multiple counts of extortion. Your crime spree covers 20 years and thousands of victims. You have defrauded people out of their money with fear and manipulation, telling them they had to tithe 10% of their income as per the LAW to your Regd. organization (called Church) and that God would bless them if they did. You also told them that if they didn't tithe God would curse them.

How do you plead?

Mr. Jones: I plead not guilty your Honor, I have done nothing wrong. I have only preached what the Bible says. In the Bible Abraham tithed to Melchizedek and God blessed him for his faithful giving. The Bible even says he was rich in silver and gold.

Judge: Is it not true, Mr. Jones, that in Genesis Chapter 13 verse 2 the Bible says Abraham was rich with livestock, silver and gold?

Mr. Jones: Yes, you are exactly right, that's what I just told you.

Judge: Ok, we read about Abraham being a rich man in chapter 13 but it is not until Genesis chapter 14 that we read about Abraham's tithe to Melchizedek. So Abraham was already a rich man before he tithed to Melchizedek, wasn't he?

Mr. Jones: Yes, I suppose you are right.

Judge: So his riches were not the result of his tithe to Melchizedek?

Mr. Jones: No.

Judge: Mr. Jones, you also say God blessed him for his faithful giving. How many times is it recorded that Abraham gave tithes to Melchizedek?

Mr. Jones: Well, just once.

Judge: So the Bible never said that he gave week after week?

Mr. Jones: No it does not.

Judge: Where did Abraham get the things that he gave to Melchizedek?

Mr. Jones: Well the Bible says it was from the plunders of war?

Judge: So you are telling me that he gave from the plunders of war?

Mr. Jones: Yes that's what the Bible says.

Judge: So he basically took things that were not really his in the first place and gave them as the tithe?

Mr. Jones: That is what the scripture seems to indicate.

Judge: Is it recorded that he ever took anything from his own possessions and tithed them to Melchizedek or anyone else?

Mr. Jones: I guess not

Judge: You guess not, you are a teacher and you are only guessing, is it or is it not written that he ever gave any of his own possessions as a tithe to anyone?

Mr. Jones: No it is not written anywhere that I have seen.

Judge: Is it recorded as to what exactly Abraham did give Melchizedek?

Mr. Jones: I believe it says plunder?

Judge: So plunder could be any number of things?

Mr. Jones: Yes, I suppose

Judge: It could have been food, cattle, sheep, the people's possessions or any number of things. It does not say it was all money correct?

Mr. Jones: Yes you are correct, it does not say just money

Judge: As a matter of fact money is never mentioned in that account at all is that correct Mr. Jones?

Mr. Jones: Yes your Honor, money is never mentioned just goods and food and people.

Judge: So there is no way you can say with any certainty that Abraham in fact gave Melchizedek any money at all?

Mr. Jones: That is right.

Judge: I only have one last question for you
Mr. Jones, did God command Abraham to give this plunder tithe to Melchizedek?

Mr. Jones: No, it appears that he did this voluntarily.

Judge: So are you trying to tell me that because of this voluntary, one time gift by Abraham, that may not have even consisted of money, all Christians everywhere are obligated to bring 10% of their weekly paycheck to a local Regd.Organization-church?
Considering all the evidence I would say you are beyond any shadow of a doubt guilty of deliberately trying to make the scriptures says things they have not said for financial gain.

Mr. Jones: Ok your Honor, I can see how foolish I was to try and use the story of Melchizedeck to try and get the people to tithemoney. But there are many other verses that will support my belief on tithing. Jacob said he would give God 10% of everything. I think we should follow his example.

Judge: Let's see what Jacob said. Please read the verse you are talking about for me Mr. Jones.

Mr. Jones: In Genesis chapter 28 starting at verse 20 it says. Jacob vowed a vow, saying, "If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and clothing to put on, so that I come again to my father's house in peace, and Yahweh will be my God, then this stone, which I have set up for a pillar, will be God's house. Of all that you will give me I will surely give the tenth to you."

Judge: You said we should follow Jacobs example, is that right Mr. Jones?

Mr. Jones: Yes that is right, he vowed to give a tenth and we should too.

Judge: Let me point out one thing for you Mr. Jones, Jacob said he would Give God a tenth, ONLY if He blessed him first. So as you said previously, we should follow Jacob's example and tell God that we will only give him a tenth if he blesses us first. Is that right?

Mr. Jones: That is not what I meant.

Judge: What did you mean then?

Mr. Jones: That we should give God a tenth also.

Judge: There you go again, trying to make the scripture say what you want it to say for your benefit. I would also like you to tell me the scriptures that say that Jacob kept his vow with God. I would also like to know where he gave the tenth to because there was no temple or levites to give it to at that time.

Mr. Jones: I can not think of any scriptures that say where or if he ever tithed after his vow.

Judge: It seems fairly obvious to me that Jacob made a voluntary and conditional vow to God. This in no way can be used as a reason to demand others to bring their income to you or any other place.

Mr. Jones: I do have a few more scriptures that I believe will show that we are supposed to tithe.

Judge: You have not said anything yet to convince me one little bit that people are obligated to tithe money to the local organizational institutions -churches and that you were justified in what you were doing. You have taken scripture and misapplied it to your beliefs and for your gain. But in order to be fair to you I will allow you to present more evidence.

Mr. Jones: In the book of Malachi chapter 3 starting at verse 8 it says, will a man rob God? yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, In what have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation. Bring ye all the tithes into the store-house, that there may be food in my house, and prove me now with this, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. So you see your Honor, we are commanded to bring the tithes into the storehouse or God will curse us.

Judge: Answer me this Mr Jones, Who was God Speaking to here?

Mr Jones: To the People of Israel

Judge: Can you please read Malachi 2: 1 Please Mr Jones

Mr Jones: Now This command is for you O PRIEST !!

Judge: Did God stop talking to the Priest in Chap. 3, Mr Jones?

Mr Jones: No your Honor!

Judge: Answer me this Mr. Jones, were you aware that God never required anyone to tithe money?

Mr. Jones: No I didn't know that.

Judge: The tithe spoken of here was always edible products never money.

Mr. Jones: Well your Honor that is because they didn't have money at the time so God had them tithe food instead.

Judge: Not true, money is first mentioned in Genesis and Malachi was written hundreds of years later. God had them bring food in so that the levites, the fatherless and widows may eat and be satisfied. The tithe was used mainly to take care of people. Also notice it says in the verse you quoted, that there may be food in my house. The food was the tithe. How do you completely overlook the word food in those verses?

Mr. Jones: I don't know

Judge: I also want you to know that these verses speak to nation under the Old Testament law. As you may or may not know Jesus fulfilled the law, it is no longer binding. Once again you have tried to completely take a scripture out of context and apply it to others for your benefit. Can you give me a single scripture where God changed the tithe from food to money?

Mr. Jones: I do not know of any.

Judge: So if God never changed it from food to money who did?

Mr. Jones: Man must have.

Judge: So far all you have done Mr. Jones, is take Old Testament scriptures out of context and try to apply it to believers under the New Covenant. Is this all the proof you have?

Mr. Jones: I do have a New Testament scripture that will show that Jesus told us to tithe.

Judge: Ok let me hear it.

Mr. Jones: Jesus said in Matthew 23:23 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint, dill, and cumin, and have left undone the weightier matters of the law: justice, mercy, and faith. But you ought to have done these, and not to have left the other undone. See Jesus said we should be tithing.

Judge: Let me ask you a question, who was Jesus talking to?

Mr. Jones: The scripture says the Scribes and Pharisees.

Judge: Are you a scribe or Pharisee?

Mr. Jones: Of course not.

Judge: Jesus also said in that passage, you have left undone the weightier matters of the law. Are we under the law Mr. Jones?

Mr. Jones: No.

Judge: Why not?

Mr. Jones: Because Jesus fulfilled it.

Judge: When did Jesus fulfill the law?

Mr. Jones: When He was crucified.

Judge: So the law was still in effect until Jesus death?

Mr. Jones: That is correct.

Judge: I think you know where I am going with this don't you?

Mr. Jones: Yes your Honor. Since Jesus had not yet been crucified and the law was still binding the Pharisees were required to tithe because it was part of the law. Once the law ended, tithing ended also.

Judge: I want you to take a look at that verse again. Also tell me, what were they tithing?

Mr. Jones: The scripture says it was mint, dill and cumin.

Judge: Is money mentioned?

Mr. Jones: No it was not.

Judge: Once again it was edible products that they were tithing, not money. Do you have anything else you would like to say?

Mr. Jones: If people only tithed edible products like the scripture says, then how would the church survive? We have our mortgage payment, utility bills, staff salary and a host of other things that we have to pay each week. We depend on the money from the people.

Judge: By "church" you mean your organization isn't it Mr Jones ?
-The need does not justify the means. In other words, just because you have all these debts does not give you the right to twist and manipulate scripture and cause people to give under fear of being cursed by God to meet your needs. Does It Mr Jones?
In closing, let me recap a few things for you Mr. Jones.
-The tithe was never money;
-The tithe was an Old Testament law, which is no longer binding. When it was binding the tithe was used to take care of people, not buildings.
- We are under a new covenant now.
Paul instructs the Corinthian believers how they are to give. He says in second Corinthians chapter 9 verse 7, Let each man give according as he has determined in his heart; not grudgingly, or under compulsion; for God loves a cheerful giver. So each believer is supposed to give as he or she has determined in his or her heart.
If they determine to Give 10% well and good, If they keep aside some every week to meet this more better.If you are trying to make people give under the threat of being cursed or any other reason even blessing, you are wrong. Someone can not give cheerfully if they are being forced to give. If 'your church can not survive on freewill offerings maybe God is not part of your church at all.
Mr Jones, do you intentionally put your people under a Curse or a Bondage?

Mr Jones: Of Course not !!

Judge: Can you Read in context Gal 3:10-11: For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them ....
AND
Gal 5:1-4 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage....

Mr. Jones: I never realized all these things, I have always been taught that we had to tithe money to the local church and that is what I have always taught. I can see now that I was completely wrong. I did not study the scripture for myself, I only took mans word for it.
Yes ' am guilty. I will not teach this error anymore.esus told us to tithe.

Judge: Ok let me hear it.

Mr. Jones: Jesus said in Matthew 23:23 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint, dill, and cumin, and have left undone the weightier matters of the law: justice, mercy, and faith. But you ought to have done these, and not to have left the other undone. See Jesus said we should be tithing.

Judge: Let me ask you a question, who was Jesus talking to?

Mr. Jones: The scripture says the Scribes and Pharisees.

Judge: Are you a scribe or Pharisee?

Mr. Jones: Of course not.

Judge: Jesus also said in that passage, you have left undone the weightier matters of the law. Are we under the law Mr. Jones?

Mr. Jones: No.

Judge: Why not?

Mr. Jones: Because Jesus fulfilled it.

Judge: When did Jesus fulfill the law?

Mr. Jones: When He was crucified.

Judge: So the law was still in effect until Jesus death?

Mr. Jones: That is correct.

Judge: I think you know where I am going with this don't you?

Mr. Jones: Yes your Honor. Since Jesus had not yet been crucified and the law was still binding the Pharisees were required to tithe because it was part of the law. Once the law ended, tithing ended also.

Judge: I want you to take a look at that verse again. Also tell me, what were they tithing?

Mr. Jones: The scripture says it was mint, dill and cumin.

Judge: Is money mentioned?

Mr. Jones: No it was not.

Judge: Once again it was edible products that they were tithing, not money. Do you have anything else you would like to say?

Mr. Jones: If people only tithed edible products like the scripture says, then how would the church survive? We have our mortgage payment, utility bills, staff salary and a host of other things that we have to pay each week. We depend on the money from the people.

Judge: By "church" you mean your organization isn't it Mr Jones ?
-The need does not justify the means. In other words, just because you have all these debts does not give you the right to twist and manipulate scripture and cause people to give under fear of being cursed by God to meet your needs. Does It Mr Jones?
In closing, let me recap a few things for you Mr. Jones.
-The tithe was never money;
-The tithe was an Old Testament law, which is no longer binding. When it was binding the tithe was used to take care of people, not buildings.
- We are under a new covenant now.
Paul instructs the Corinthian believers how they are to give. He says in second Corinthians chapter 9 verse 7, Let each man give according as he has determined in his heart; not grudgingly, or under compulsion; for God loves a cheerful giver. So each believer is supposed to give as he or she has determined in his or her heart.
If they determine to Give 10% well and good, If they keep aside some every week to meet this more better.If you are trying to make people give under the threat of being cursed or any other reason even blessing, you are wrong. Someone can not give cheerfully if they are being forced to give. If 'your church can not survive on freewill offerings maybe God is not part of your church at all.
Mr Jones, do you intentionally put your people under a Curse or a Bondage?

Mr Jones: Of Course not !!

Judge: Can you Read in context Gal 3:10-11: For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them ....
AND
Gal 5:1-4 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage....

Mr. Jones: I never realized all these things, I have always been taught that we had to tithe money to the local church and that is what I have always taught. I can see now that I was completely wrong. I did not study the scripture for myself, I only took mans word for it.
Yes ' am guilty. I will not teach this error anymore.

THINKING ABOUT TITHE PAYMENT TODAY
The entire Christian community is constantly reminded of Malachi 3:10 and warned seriously of the grave dangers of not paying tithes to the man of God or the church depending on where the speaker wants to put emphasis on.
Some religious groups that before now latently discussed tithe are gradually bringing it to the front burner. Her members are reminded to bring their tithes so that the church will grow.
Beyond these discussing, an average Christian ought to know exactly what the word of God says.
POINT 1
Abraham paid tithe voluntarily even before the law of tithing was given.
Gen 14:20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all
POINT 2
When the law of tithing was finally given, four different types of tithes existed and were designed to serve different purposes.
Type 1 – General purpose tithe given by the tithe payer specifically to the levites who were empowered to collect tithes by the lord.
Num 18:26 Thus speak unto the Levites, and say unto them, When ye take of the children of Israel the tithes which I have given you from them for your inheritance, then ye shall offer up an heave offering of it for the LORD, even a tenth part of the tithe.
Lev 27:30 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD'S: it is holy unto the LORD.
Lev 27:32 And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD.
Type 2- Tithe of Tithes. Inside the levites existed the family of Aaron which produced the priests. After collecting the tithes from the tithe payers(Israelites), the levites were directed by God to take a tenth of it (tithe) and give to the family of Aaron.
Neh 10:38 And the priest the son of Aaron shall be with the Levites, when the Levites take tithes: and the Levites shall bring up the tithe of the tithes unto the house of our God, to the chambers, into the treasure house.
Type 3 – Personally consumed tithe. God designed that yearly a tithe payer should enjoy himself from his proceeds. But he must do this only at Jerusalem himself and his entire family.
Deu 14:22 ¶ Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.
Deu 14:23 And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always.
There was a clause here concerning money.
Deu 14:24 And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the LORD thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the LORD thy God hath blessed thee: 25 Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose: 26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household
Type 4 – tithe for the orphans, less privileged, strangers and widows.
Deu 14:28 At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates: 29 And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.
Deu 26:12 ¶ When thou hast made an end of tithing all the tithes of thine increase the third year, which is the year of tithing, and hast given it unto the Levite, the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, that they may eat within thy gates, and be filled;
The tithe payer here is to say a special prayer designed by God.
Deu 26:13 Then thou shalt say before the LORD thy God, I have brought away the hallowed things out of mine house, and also have given them unto the Levite, and unto the stranger, to the fatherless, and to the widow, according to all thy commandments which thou hast commanded me: I have not transgressed thy commandments, neither have I forgotten them: 14 I have not eaten thereof in my mourning, neither have I taken away ought thereof for any unclean use, nor given ought thereof for the dead: but I have hearkened to the voice of the LORD my God, and have done according to all that thou hast commanded me. 15 Look down from thy holy habitation, from heaven, and bless thy people Israel, and the land which thou hast given us, as thou swarest unto our fathers, a land that floweth with milk and honey
POINT 3
Look at these passages below and you will agree all of the discussion on tithes has nothing to do with money, even though money was in circulation at that time.
Deu 12:17 Thou mayest not eat within thy gates the tithe of thy corn, or of thy wine, or of thy oil, or the firstlings of thy herds or of thy flock, nor any of thy vows which thou vowest, nor thy freewill offerings, or heave offering of thine hand:
Deu 14:22 ¶ Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.
Lev 27:30 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD'S: it is holy unto the LORD.
Lev 27:32 And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD.
Neh 13:12 Then brought all Judah the tithe of the corn and the new wine and the oil unto the treasuries.
From the foregoing, it would not be difficult for the reader to appreciate why God was not happy with the people of Israel for robbing him. Those being addressed in Mal 3:8-10 understood God better and could appreciate his concern.
Mal 3:8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. 9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation. 10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
POINT 5
Christ came and lived under the law Gal 4:4 but frown at the methodology of the tithe collection and the undue emphasis placed on it payment by the Pharisees of his days.
Mt 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Lu 11:42 But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
A man even boasted about his regularity in tithe payment while Christ was on earth.
Luk 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess
An interesting point here is that Christ lived under the Old Covenant and the church today operates under the New Covenant.
Heb 7:11 ¶ If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? 12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Stating from the beginning of the Church until recently,(precisely in the 1500s), the church had existed without Christian paying tithes.
Two major reasons could be fetched out.
1. The church is for the whole world and a practice given to a single nation operating an agrarian economy could not be foist on all mankind.
2. Like circumcision, it had to die with Judaism. That old priesthood following the order of Aaron is replaced with a priesthood of all believers with Christ as our only high priest.
2Pet 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
Wait for just a minute
• Tithe was not money in the Bible, today it is money.
• Tithe was stored in a storehouse in the temple. Today it is stored in banks being held for the men of God.
• The tithe payers then were not priest and gave to the priests. Today we are all priests and still give to senior priests.
• The temple was a physical building and had a store house. Today we are the temple of the living God.
• The church in the New Covenant is not the temple in the Old Covenant. The church is not a physical building.
• The four ways tithe payers operated in the Old Covenant is sharply different from what is practiced today.
• Paul was the most widely travelled missionary and would have enjoyed the benefit associated with tithes, yet he was completely silent about the issue.
Christians today are to give for the growth and spread of God’s word.
1Cor 16:1 ¶ Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. 2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.
2Cor 8:12 For if there be first a willing mind, it is accepted according to that a man hath, and not according to that he hath not.
2Cor 9:6 ¶ But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. 7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
Even the men of God were accommodated.
Gal 6:6 Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things
1Cor 9:11 If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?
1Cor 9:14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel
The payment of tithes today by Christians is a mix up of God’s directives.
Although the tithe payer may be thinking he is right in doing so, it still does not make it right.
Although the tithe payer may be seeing results, the end does not justify the means if God does not give approval.
There is no direct command to Christians to pay tithe to the church.
The first century church did not pay tithes to the church.
Act 2: 44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common; 45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.
Act 4:34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
I pray this lesson will edify you and demand that you give to the lord beyond measure.
Come and study with church of Christ near you for undiluted word of God taught as his word directs.
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Gggg102:


go to Israel and ask them
they are the ones that are paying the tithes there

Lol ! funny but sheer cowardice!

And he just quoted d almighty Malachi they use to dupe people. I was expecting didn't over passages where it was stated. Don't u know there are other places? Charity is d key. Not any tithing

Gggg102:


The whole of chapter 3

Pls read Philippians 4:15-19 and tell me if the people didn't give to these apostles.

hardasan:
I just refuse to keep quiet while Christians are brainwashed by anybody.

I want to quote Malachi Ch 3 v 7 - 12 while highlighting verse 10

Malachi 3:7-12King James Version (KJV)

7 Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the Lord of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return?

8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.

9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.

10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

11 And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the Lord of hosts.

12 And all nations shall call you blessed: for ye shall be a delightsome land, saith the Lord of hosts.

Here the bible plainly said in verse 8: " Yet ye have robbed me, But ye say where in. Have we robbed thee? "
The bible answered : "In tithes and offerings"

Verse 9 says: Ye are cursed for ye have robbed me. It didn't say ye are cursed for not eating your tithe or ye are cursed for paying to a pastor and not into heaven's bank account directly from the earth.

Verse 10 gives a direct instruction: Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse. It didn't say eat ye all the tithes in front of the storehouse or give ye all the tithes to the poor and widows.
In the biblical days, payments could be by precious stones or commodities. That's why trade by barter markets existed in the days of my grandparents before currencies became the order of the day. Now, 99.9% of people earn currencies not livestock or commodities, so it's normal that we pay tithe in cash.

Verse 11 is a promise by God to bless anyone who obeys this instruction of tithing

John ch 12 talks about Jesus being anointed for his burial with a very expensive ointment, Judas asked why the costly ointment wasn't sold and given to the poor instead of " wasting it"
Jesus said in verse 8: For the poor always ye have with you ; but me ye have not always

Matthew ch 10 vs 40 - 41, Jesus promised to. Reward those who are kind or who gives as little as a cup of cold water to his servants

Ever wondered why Jesus picked out the widow in Mark ch 12 vs 42 for giving her all since he doesn't care about our offering ?

Or why the Holy Ghost killed Ananias and Sapphira for keeping part of the money gotten from the sales of their own land in Acts ch 5 vs 1 - 11 if God doesn't care about our tithes and offerings.

Take heed that no wolf in sheep's clothing deceives you. God commanded tithing and offerings. If you want to pay yours when you get to heaven, that's your business, but don't go about stumbling people Christ died for cus it will be better for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for you.

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Please try to read through the thread, a lot of questions have been answered which are not mentioned in this initial post.
God bless the contributors and the sincere readers

Someone also need to open your eyes to see clearly.

When God was sharing the land to the tribes of Israel, he didn't give anything to the Levites. Theirs was to work in the temple and they are the only ones God allowed to receive tithe.
What do they do with the tithe? They feed from it, they give 10% of whatever they collect as tithe from the other tribes of Israel to the priest in the temple, the priests are to take that 10% into the storehouse. Storehouse not bank ooo.
See what your Bible says here "Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, [/b]and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it"

Meat are items for sacrifice. The Priests has nothing to do with money. The priests also eat from what the Levites collect initially which is meant for taking care of the temple's needs.

You said
[b]"the Holy Ghost killed Ananias and Sapphira for keeping part of the money gotten from the sales of their own land"
First of all, there's nothing like holy ghost. What we have is holy spirit. A ghost and a spirit is not the same.
The Bible never teach anything like ghosts. The belief that a dead person is somehow still alive in a form is what a ghost is. The Bible didn't teach that.

Ananias and Sapphira didn't pay any tithe. They wanted to deceive the apostles to believing that they are ranked first when it comes to offering. And they lied that what they brought as offering all the got from the sale of their land. If they had said the truth that ahhhhh we sold our land oooo and we brought part of it as offering, they wouldn't have died.

The question now is:

Those your pastors collecting tithe, are they ordained by God to collect it? Are they Levites?
Jesus desciples didn't collect tithe because they have no right to collect. Jesus didn't collect because he's not a Levite.

In Christianity today, we shouldn't even be talking about tithe or how tithes collected are being spent. We should be talking about offerings and how it's being spent. The apostles talked more of offering from the heart.
They have their own handiworks, Paul even said he won't put his own wahala on the congregation, he'd rather use his money to help the congregation.

Paul appointed capable hands in different countries, he would waste funds traveling round the world week i week out.

There is fraud in the Christiandom. Different churches fighting to be the best and the richest. Is that what Jesus taught? Money money money is what these your churches preach. If you don't pay tithe you won't enjoy God's blessing that has been given us free through the precious blood of Jesus.

Why will one useless and fake asss man who says he's a pastor curse a man for asking questions about tithing?

Any Pastor collecting tithe is a thief. A scam, a fraud. If God wants to collect tithe and we say we rather give the money to the poor on the street, of pay for people hospital bills or provide free education for the poor, you think God will kill us?

Many pay tithes today cos your pastor have scared the shiiiit out of them.

You build schools that these tithers can't send their children to. You have sitting arrangement inside your church. The high class, the middle class and the lower class. If I'm lying pls shame me. Why dyu have special seats in the house of God? Are we not equal in his sight?

Why will you have your pictures and that of your wife on your church adverts? Who owns the church, you or Jesus?

You tell your stupid followers that God has the power to protect them, yet you move about in bulletproof cars with military men carrying guns to protect you..... Ahhhhh may God punish anyone using the name of God to defraud innocent Christians.

Why will some fools be kissing and bowing down to an empty seat of a certain Daddy GO? Why? Ordinary chair? Are we that stupid? John wanted to bow down to an angel and the angel cautioned him... He said come guy... You and I are slaves to the almighty ooo. So why will someone bow down to you a pastor and you will be touching their heads as if you're God. Are you mad? Is that what the Bible teaches?

Christianity is fraud! Especially here in Naija.

Early Monday morning that people are hustling, you have some idiots going to church praying that God should bless them. What is God blessing when you're stupid and lazy? What hurts most is that, that jobless pastor will be there calling and waiting for them in church on Monday morning.

I can't shout.

Niyinficient:


If not that u are making a valid point with ur subsequent posts i would have wondered at your reasoning cos someone gave scriptural references with explanation, but you said its wrong...wheareas u also gave a scriptural reference, should we now say urs is wrong too cos Malachi is more recent in bible times than Deuteronomy. Make this a discussion to learn from and not an arguement

OK thanks


The thing is that Malachi was talking about tithe in Deuteronomy. You cannot use Malachi in isolation. Malachi was saying "you are breaking the law" but you need to know the law he was talking about. That is where Deuteronomy comes in.

hardasan:

The 10 commandements does not apply ?
The book of psalms is irrelevant ?
The wisdom of proverbs is old school ?
The prophecies of Daniel are outdated ?
The blessings of Abraham don't apply to you ?

Since the old testament is useless according to you, why not rip. It out of ur bible or better still, buy the bible that has only the new testament.
You can't claim Abraham's blessings and say you aren't under Judaism.
Your argument is flawed.

bno mind the guy, we claim blessings God made to Jewish people but hate them with passion.

Mariangeles:
Be careful with the kind of words you use when talking about Pastors and Servants of GOD.

How do you know that they are of God?
Is it in relation to the standard establish by Jesus Christ in the Bible?

Matthew 7

I Never Knew You

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

https://www.christianity.com/bible/bible.php?q=Matthew+7&ver=kjv

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