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Jewish people (you know..that culture and religion on which Christianity was founded) do not pay tithes today because according to many adherents, despite the fact they have their rabbinical leaders, they have no present Levitical order to pay to. It hasn't stopped the Zionists that moved back to Israel from creating a prosperous oasis in a desert and Israel thrives today as a wealthy, advanced first world nation. Their wealth and prosperity does not depend on how much tithe Jewish sheep pay to their earthly gods. But it's funny that thousands of miles across the world, in the wretched armpits of the earth that is called Nigeria, millions of people fight for the right to be enslaved to an alien tradition that has nothing to do with their culture or even their adopted Christian faith.

I feel so sorry for the future of this country, this continent and the black race.

NwaAmaikpe:



Sorry to differ with you.
But the giving of monetary offerings to the church as tithe is wrong, it is unbiblical and purely exploitative.

The Bible is perspicuous about tithing.
Deuteronomy 14 : 22-27
Explains the process of tithing which our devilish pastors never tell us.

Besides none of our Pastors in Nigeria are from the tribe of Levi (Only Levites receive tithes)

Kindly study it and be blessed.

correct guy.......but when you tell them they try to defend none sense

Rangojack:
Tithing is very scriptural, even Jesus Christ commended it and didn't condemn it;

"Matthew 23:23-26The Message (MSG)

23-24 “You’re hopeless, you religion scholars and Pharisees! Frauds! You keep meticulous account books, tithing on every nickel and dime you get, but on the meat of God’s Law, things like fairness and compassion and commitment—the absolute basics!—you carelessly take it or leave it. Careful bookkeeping is commendable, but the basics are required. Do you have any idea how silly you look, writing a life story that’s wrong from start to finish, nitpicking over commas and semicolons?"

That being said, during the Old testament days, the service of the sanctuary is meant only for the Levites and the house of Aaron, but during the dispensation of grace(New Testament), even gentiles received the Holy Spirit hence the service of the sanctuary is made open to all (so far God chooses to use you), I think this explains why we don't have to pay tithes only to Levites.

If you are tithing, please don't compromise, according to Jesus Christ you are doing the right thing.

Tithing was a Mosaic Law given to the jews. The Mosaic laws were no longer binding after the sacrifice of Christ on the cross (or so I thought); or isnt that the reason we no longer perform animal sacrifices to cleanse people of their sins anymore?.... Or isnt that the reason a Christian today can wear a garment made of dual fabric?... Isnt that the reason a Christian today can plant more than one type of seed in his farm and even neatly shave off his side hair without incurring God's wrath?...

How come the present day church acknowledges that the bulk of Mosaic Laws are no longer binding, but still hold on to some of these Mosaic laws such as mandatorily giving a tenth (or face judgement)?.. Some churches even go as far as meting out the judgement themselves by denying some simple benefits to members who miss out on tithing.

It would really be nice if anyone can point out anywhere in the scriptures where the Mosaic Laws were imposed on the Gentile Christians by any of the early Apostles.

The one point I know where Apostle Paul specified the principles of giving to the Gentile Christians was in 2Cor 9:7 were he admonished Christians to give freely whatever they elect in their hearts and without any compulsion.

Modern churches preaching that a 'Proper Christian' MUST give 10% of his earnings to his local church (or risk God's wrath) doesnt exactly sound like free-will giving, and neither does it fall in line with the teachings of the first Apostles under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

give to ceaser what belongs to ceaser and give to God what belongs to God. Jesus was talking about paying tax to the government .

The modalities of giving is secondary bro.Do you believe it's biblical? Was Christ against it?Did the Apostles in any of the Epistles speak against it?Serving God is by revelation. If you ain't convinced, please KEEP YOUR MONEY. Tithing is one of the many ways of giving to God.Or you think God was confused when He spoke in Malachi 3?
For your info,ALL SCRIPTURE IS GIVEN by inspiration of God...read the rest in 2 Timothy 3:16-17.Bible is not some literary work that you just understand by using reasoning...Even if you want to use reasoning,what's wrong if a person gives God one-tenth of his income?Does it negate Phil.4:8 in anyway?Do you in anyway believe that God can owe a man?We become Christians at the point of GIVING OUR LIVES TO GOD not when we joined denomination.If you have given your Life to God what is money?The problem is a carnal man CAN NEVER grasp Spiritual things,as you know ROMANS 8:6-8 kindly read.

Finally,Tithe isnt given to Pastors and there's a purpose for it.Believers aim to give their ALL to God and physically express Love ; we don't live for ourselves anymore. This, the early disciples understood and u saw what happened in Acts 2:44-45.

Instead of dissipating our energies kicking against doctrines;Let's like Jesus talk about WEIGHTIER MATTERS which is the Cross of Jesus and Holiness without which no man can see God.Those who started this discus have a sinister motive.

buragidi:
You are contradicting yourself. If we are all Priests, then who pays tithe to who and where is it written in the Bible that pastors are levites? Which verse in the Bible implies that? Go to Istreal, you see Levites there. Even they no longer receive tithes because the temple has been destroyed. If you claim pastors are spiritual levites, how come they receive phiscal tithes and not spiritual one. Jesus Christ was not a spiritual istrealites, he was a phisical one, but he could not receive tithe because he was not a levite. He was from the tribe of Judah. Priests never spend tithe in the Bible.

hardasan:
Which Christian doesn't circumcise their son after 8 days
We worship on Sunday because Christ rose up on Sunday and the day of pentecost and baptism of the Holy Spirit came on Sunday. They are no coincidence.

I have said clearly :
Paying of tithes is biblical, yet Christians must not be forced, cursed or blackmailed to pay. All the Pastor should do is preach with scriptures and pray for the grace to obey. As Christians, we don't need to be reminded to pay tithes.

So you worship on Sunday because Christ resurrected on Sunday?, Pls can you tell me how the calender came into existence , who named the week-days

It's biblical

hardasan:
Please enlighten me on the currency used during the biblical days.
Please state where the bible said it's the exccess that should be put in the storehouse

Why did Ananias lie? Because he knows that the Apostles will tell him to bring the balance and he can't give excuses.
At least you didn't deny that the apostles were supposed to receive all the money gotten from the sales of the land or any possession or salary of the church members.

Where is the barn where you will put cooked food and it won't spoil.
Before I forget, please tell us where God chose that I eat my tithe for the past 10yrs, let me do cross country picnic

Ananias and Sapphira didn't pay tithe, nobody in the early church did as recorded by the Bible. Even Jesus and his disciples didn't pay tithe. Get your facts right.

uyplus:
Where did the bible state house of God? It said in the place he shall choose! God doesn't dwell in places of worship again as he used to dwell in the holy of holies! When Jesus resurrected the veil in the holy of holies was torn apart so we have access to God. So if i had to even go by mal 3 10, the heart of man is where God dwells, so I can pay a tenth of my earnings to myself, and feed myself to satisfaction as long as it pleases my maker! Mal 3 10 was for the Levite priest and it started from mal, it stated o ye priest! Besides the tithes in the bible paid by only the levites were yearly on agric produce. Nowhere was it ever mentioned as a monthly task! Why arent fornicators still not stoned to death? Oh, Is it because its an OT practice? Why aren't you killing non believers? When the wanted to stone the harlot to death and Jesus came to her rescue and said let he without sin cast the first stone, he should have allowed it now since it was the law then and Jesus didn't come to repeal the law but to fulfill it!

Mmm ok, I am actually not a Christian though. Your religion is just too contradictory and confusing

hardasan:
It's expressly said that anyone who sacrificeth, does so to Idols and not to God because Jesus is the perfect sacrifice for us all. 1Chorinthians ch 10 vs 19 -20

Funny how you sheeples quote the new testament on other issues pertaining to the 'church' but are quick to quote Malachi 3:10 on tithe issues.

Everyone is free to do what they believe in. If you believe giving your money to your pastor is the 'way to salvation' by all means do so. Although unfortunately the brainwashing gimmick emphasizes your earthly reward for tithing not salvation.....But by all means, do what works for you.

Most people claim they tithe of free will....
But you go to the pastor to complain of difficulty you are going through and the first question they ask is if you are paying your tithe. Because 'christians' who pay tithe aren't meant to suffer. Isn't that emotional and psychological coercion?
You are hypnotized with sermons of incurring God's wrath if you don't give 10% to 'him' and you believe you are giving of free will?

Let us quit being religionists and be Christians......Christ-like. For Jesus Christ said, whatsoever you do to the LEAST of my brothers, you do unto me. They are lots of families around you who are struggling to feed...do as Christ said and the world would be a better place and also work on your salvation as that is a personal race.

goldedprince:
Mmm ok, I am actually not a Christian though. Your religion is just too contradictory and confusing

No it is not contradictory or confusing at all. The problem is Nigerians or Africans don't study (the Bible inclusive). And as a result, the pastors are given a free hand to dish out all the scriptural interpretations, punishments and rewards. It's only natural for gullible Christians to swallow what they are told by the pastors.
I have read the Bible almost twice, enough to know that it is as clear as air.

jaymichael:
It is a totally misguided disposition to berate someone that follows whatever principle that works for him/her. My tithing is a personal thing before God. If anyone sees no reason to tithe, I have absolutely no objection to that. Refusal to tithe won't deny you heaven or even a good life.
When I wasn't tithing, I couldn't afford to rent just one room in Ajegunle even when I was working. I moved close to my father and I learnt some life changing principles. Tithing is one of the easiest ways to tap into the divine blessings and wealth prepared for me. Some people sacrificed life, children, wives, health and happiness for material wealth. 10% of my take home pay isn't even enough for his goodness towards me. Since my personal decision to tithe, in just a few years, I now live in my own house. My younger ones and my mother live in the same compound but different apartment. I am not rich yet but I can even afford a small car if I wanted to get one right now. All these in spite of my small salary and still doing the same job. My 3 bosses ahead of me left one after the other due to "nothing is coming in" it is in the same nothing is coming in that I was blessed after I made that personal decision to tithe. I am not 100% faithful in that regard but he has been more faithful to me.

See how delussioned you have become. Sorry I don't pay tithe and I can pay you for the next 20years without breaking a sweat.
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Your stupid God that needs 10% in order to protect or bless u isn't better that Ifa my forefathers worshipped.

DI'd Jesus Christ or his disciples paid or recieved tithe throughout their ministration on earth ?

hardasan:
1Chorinthians 10 vs 19 -20 says that sacrifices are not to God but to Idols. So offering of burnt offerings have been abolished that's why neither Jesus nor his disciples offered burnt offerings but Jesus never condemned tithes instead he said give to ceaser what belongs to ceaser and give to God what belongs to God.

Sacrifices abolished? Yet we retain tithing? Something is definitely wrong somewhere

hazyfm1:
Don't be deceived... Who made your pastor a Priest?
Did Paul, Peter, etc collect tithe?
Did our Lord and Savior Jesus collect tithe?
Who told you that church you attend is the house of God?
God does not live in a house built by men
God lives in you
You are God's temple
We are Gods temple
Pay your tithe to the poor and see if God will not equally bless you more
You think it's tithe that makes you rich, use your google and rethink

Jesus will not come in form of your GO, not inform of your Pastor, he will come in form of the poor man in your street, that jobless man along the road, that sick and homeless man in your neighborhood Matt 25: 34-40
''Then the King will say to those on his right, ''Come, my Father has blesses you! Inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the creation of the world. I was hungry, and you gave me something to eat. I was thirsty, and you gave me something to drink. I was a stranger, and you took me into your home. I needed clothes, and you gave me something to wear........ Then the people who have Gods approval will reply to him, ''Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you or see you thirsty and gave you something to drink? When did we see you as a stranger and take you into our homes.........................??
''The king will answer them, ''I can guarantee this truth: Whatever you did for one of my brothers or sisters, no matter how unimportant they seem, you did for me''

My 10cents

i pay my tithe and I give to the needy too

williamsofficial:
See how delussioned you have become. Sorry I don't pay tithe and I can pay you for the next 20years without breaking a sweat.
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Your stupid God that needs 10% in order to protect or bless u isn't better that Ifa my forefathers worshipped.

Sorry for your myopic views which you can't force on me. You have what works for you, I have mine. My God doesn't need my 10% or 100% to bless me. I needed something, I entered a contract with him and he hasn't failed to keep his own part if the agreement. @the bolded, since you have so much, let me send you my account details I will appreciate you sharing your blessings with me.

Gggg102:
wrong
u r d brainwasher and brainwashed

But you haven't desputed any of the above facts as stated in the Bible book of Malachi yet you're calling him brainwashed.

Gggg102:
read Deuteronomy 14 from 22 downwards

ur claim that there was no form of currency is totally wrong

tithe was food to be eaten in the place God chooses


the storehouse is not a church or Temple but a barn for the excess food

the holy spirit killed Ananias and saphirra because they lied not because they gave part of their tithe


Jesus promised whatsoever you do to the least of my brother that you do unto me

So you have agreed that tithe paying is biblical according to the book of Malachi and Deuteronomy that you quoted? It's settled. Now you can bring material things if you don't want to use money, it will be accepted. QED

jaymichael:
Sorry for your myopic views which you can't force on me. You have what works for you, I have mine. My God doesn't need my 10% or 100% to bless me. I needed something, I entered a contract with him and he hasn't failed to keep his own part if the agreement. @the bolded, since you have so much, let me send you my account details I will appreciate you sharing your blessings with me.

Your religious stupidity deserved 2 honorary awards. One for being arrogantly rooted in your ignorance and 2 incase you loose the first one.
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You enter into contact with your God for him to bless you. I laugh at ya little midgetted mind.
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Jesus washed ur sins away not your brain.
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the same God that said I will freely give u all things. infact I put it to u...Your own god is very stupid and mad if u entered contact with him yet some of ya course mates back in school who doesn't even recence God are making it more than u.
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You don't know how rich and financially buoyant u would have become if u clear ya eyes of this delusional belief of urs

williamsofficial:
Your religious stupidity deserved 2 honorary awards. One for being arrogantly rooted in your ignorance and 2 incase you loose the first one.
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You enter into contact with your God for him to bless you. I laugh at ya little midgetted mind.
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Jesus washed ur sins away not your brain.
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the same God that said I will freely give u all things. infact I put it to u...Your own god is very stupid and mad if u entered contact with him yet some of ya course mates back in school who doesn't even recence God are making it more than u.
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You don't know how rich and financially buoyant u would have become if u clear ya eyes of this delusional belief of urs

Ogbeni leave all these grammar wey you dey blow. You talk say you get money pass me, make I send my account details make you bless me small. If not, e no get wetin you take better pass me.

[quote author=Gggg102 post=62157018]wrong u r d brainwasher and

DAT was old testament , explain it more in new testament in detromony 14:22:27

Gggg102:
wrong
u r d brainwasher and brainwashed

So how many poor and need gets help from these Greedy pastors? They eat all alone and dont care about the needy in their churches, I THINK THIS pOSTER IS A PASTOR.

jaymichael:
Ogbeni leave all these grammar wey you dey blow. You talk say you get money pass me, make I send my account details make you bless me small. If not, e no get wetin you take better pass me.

E dei pain am because everybody eye don open. Some fake pastors go soon close their churches. . .unemployment don make everybody to open church, nawa oo. . .

williamsofficial:
Your religious stupidity deserved 2 honorary awards. One for being arrogantly rooted in your ignorance and 2 incase you loose the first one.
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You enter into contact with your God for him to bless you. I laugh at ya little midgetted mind.
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Jesus washed ur sins away not your brain.
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the same God that said I will freely give u all things. infact I put it to u...Your own god is very stupid and mad if u entered contact with him yet some of ya course mates back in school who doesn't even recence God are making it more than u.
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You don't know how rich and financially buoyant u would have become if u clear ya eyes of this delusional belief of urs

Ogaaa oooo!!! E be like say u be pastor? Please Daddy freez needs people like you in a debate. go and debate wit him. If you defeat him, then eveyone of us will belive u. Chikinaa

hardasan:
Christians in the old testament paid tithe. In the new testament, nobody condemned tithes. Jesus even said : give to ceaser what belongs to ceaser, give to God what belongs to God. what belongs to God ? Or haven't you heard about praising God with your substance ?
We see Christians in the new testament giving all they have to support the church.

You're kicking against tithes.

were there Christians in d old testament?

[quote author=Newborn40 post=62675057][/quote]Ok now. . .

hardasan:
22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.

23 And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always.

28 At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates:

29 And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.

Furthermore, verse 23 talks about the tithe of farm produce and livestock. What happens to others ?
Verse 28-29 says after 3yrs you should bring your all your tithe to be eaten. How possible is that ? So if u earn 1m every yr, after the 3rd yr, you'll cough up roughly your 4months salary that year (300,000ngn) to buy beer and corn? Can you and your pastor finish the tithe ? Or do you pay tithe in December once in 3yrs ?
I Want you to respond.

am trying to understand u. u quoted Malachi and said its d basis 4 tithing. Now someone quoted Deuteronomy which also talked about d practice of tithing, yet u question d possibility of putting it into practice.

williamsofficial:
Your religious stupidity deserved 2 honorary awards. One for being arrogantly rooted in your ignorance and 2 incase you loose the first one.
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You enter into contact with your God for him to bless you. I laugh at ya little midgetted mind.
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Jesus washed ur sins away not your brain.
.
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the same God that said I will freely give u all things. infact I put it to u...Your own god is very stupid and mad if u entered contact with him yet some of ya course mates back in school who doesn't even recence God are making it more than u.
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You don't know how rich and financially buoyant u would have become if u clear ya eyes of this delusional belief of urs

You are just twisting it to suit your Belive. E be like say you be pastor, or maybe you offering business don crash?

NwaAmaikpe:



Sorry to differ with you.
But the giving of monetary offerings to the church as tithe is wrong, it is unbiblical and purely exploitative.

The Bible is perspicuous about tithing.
Deuteronomy 14 : 22-27
Explains the process of tithing which our devilish pastors never tell us.

Besides none of our Pastors in Nigeria are from the tribe of Levi (Only Levites receive tithes)

Kindly study it and be blessed.

Matthew 22:17 Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not? 22:18 But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites? 22:19 Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny. 22:20 And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription? 22:21 They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's. 22:22 When they had heard these words, they marvelled, and left him, and went their way.

This portion of the Bible should tell u that just as there was a form of tax paid to the authorities, there is also a financial obligation for Christians to the church. I don't think see the debate here if you are true Christian paying a fraction of your income for the work of GOD to progress. It was David who said he won't give GOD anything that cost him nothing. If you can't sacrifice ten percent of your income then rethink your Christianity.

Hello everyone, the issue of this tighting should stop. Every sensible Christian should know that Man is not God, so we shouldn't allow our self to be threatened or brainwashed by what a fellow human said. We all have freewill given by God, we should give our tight in whatever right way as long as u are doing it to make people's life better. God is the one to judge it a righteous tight or not.

hardasan:
I just refuse to keep quiet while Christians are brainwashed by anybody.

I want to quote Malachi Ch 3 v 7 - 12 while highlighting verse 10

Malachi 3:7-12King James Version (KJV)

7 Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the Lord of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return?

8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.

9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.

10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

11 And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the Lord of hosts.

12 And all nations shall call you blessed: for ye shall be a delightsome land, saith the Lord of hosts.

Here the bible plainly said in verse 8: " Yet ye have robbed me, But ye say where in. Have we robbed thee? "
The bible answered : "In tithes and offerings"

Verse 9 says: Ye are cursed for ye have robbed me. It didn't say ye are cursed for not eating your tithe or ye are cursed for paying to a pastor and not into heaven's bank account directly from the earth.

Verse 10 gives a direct instruction: Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse. It didn't say eat ye all the tithes in front of the storehouse or give ye all the tithes to the poor and widows.
In the biblical days, payments could be by precious stones or commodities. That's why trade by barter markets existed in the days of my grandparents before currencies became the order of the day. Now, 99.9% of people earn currencies not livestock or commodities, so it's normal that we pay tithe in cash.

Verse 11 is a promise by God to bless anyone who obeys this instruction of tithing

John ch 12 talks about Jesus being anointed for his burial with a very expensive ointment, Judas asked why the costly ointment wasn't sold and given to the poor instead of " wasting it"
Jesus said in verse 8: For the poor always ye have with you ; but me ye have not always

Matthew ch 10 vs 40 - 41, Jesus promised to. Reward those who are kind or who gives as little as a cup of cold water to his servants

Ever wondered why Jesus picked out the widow in Mark ch 12 vs 42 for giving her all since he doesn't care about our offering ?

Or why the Holy Ghost killed Ananias and Sapphira for keeping part of the money gotten from the sales of their own land in Acts ch 5 vs 1 - 11 if God doesn't care about our tithes and offerings.

Take heed that no wolf in sheep's clothing deceives you. God commanded tithing and offerings. If you want to pay yours when you get to heaven, that's your business, but don't go about stumbling people Christ died for cus it will be better for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for you.

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Please try to read through the thread, a lot of questions have been answered which are not mentioned in this initial post.
God bless the contributors and the sincere readers

Don't get it wrong Daddy freeze is not saying don't pay your tithes. He is saying pay it according to deut. 22.

Ps: I pay my tithe the pastor way lol.....