Akin1212:


I have explained your inability to decipher words in my immediate previous post.

Who made you a simpleton? That's not an insult though, it's a question.

You must have the missing fossil records for those as well right?

Akin1212:

Science is a study, and there are disagreements between scientists, this is largely because so many scientists are also believers in the fairy tale god, and they don't want to let go. However, lap proceedings distinguish what is true and what is false. Nobody wants to share ancestors with Chimpanzees, so we have to establish the truth.

Dunno about others, but I think I'd rather share ancestors with chimps than with kpotokpoto.

butterflyl1on:


Wow so you can magically elevate someone else's dumbness but not yours? Amazing

Your magic must be "pseudo magic".

It can only be done by bringing out yours. I won't deny the fact that by exposing your dumbness makes me smarter because no matter what I will not stoop so low to your level.

But there is nothing magical about it. To start with, I am not related to one particular spirit that can wave hands and make things appear and disappear, neither do I believe in him.

AgentOfAllah:

Dunno about others, but I think I'd rather share ancestors with chimps than with kpotokpoto.

Lol, I'm with you bro.

I don't know how people can believe that they are clay, only dumbness can do that to a man.

butterflyl1on:


You must have the missing fossil records for those as well right?

Just like you have a selfie of your god. Are you surprised?

Akin1212:


It can only be done by bringing out yours. I won't deny the fact that by exposing your dumbness makes me smarter because no matter what I will not stoop so low to your level.

But there is nothing magical about it. To start with, I am not related to one particular spirit that can wave hands and make things appear and disappear, neither do I believe in him.

Were you forced to be related?

You are making it sound like you are doing anyone any favours. Lmao

The fun part is that as you see specks of dust from your perspective is how the universe views you or even less. How much more He who made it.

I tell people like you that their rants and ravings are like a fart in a hurricane.... Infinitesimal.

butterflyl1on:




We're you forced to be related?

You are making it sound like you are doing anyone any favours. Lmao

The fun part is that as you see specks of dust from your perspective is how the universe views you or even less. How much more He who made it.

I tell people like you that their rants and ravings are like a fart in a hurricane.... Infinitesimal.

Oh, he who made it is a giant scary motherfucker who lives in the sky.

Help me, help me, I'm scared.

He who made it is a spaghetti monster. So what?

I know what marvels you and what confuses you about the universe. I have said it, a dumb person would buy the God of the gap story.

But if you want to understand it, read science and not the pseudoscience your ally has been posting all this while. Meanwhile you can keep revelling in ignorance if that's what you want.

Akin1212:


Lol, I'm with you bro.

I don't know how people can believe that they are clay, only dumbness can do that to a man.

It's mostly ignorance my brother. If robots made such a claim, we can forgive them. At least, they are silicon based. Hydrocarbon mugus sef dey form clay..lol

AgentOfAllah:


It's mostly ignorance my brother. If robots made such a claim, we can forgive them. At least, they are silicon based. Hydrocarbon mugus sef dey form clay..lol

Lol, these people don't know that they are hydrocarbons o. They are clay, let them remain as clay.

Clay who started to talk and move around because god breathed into them. I never knew god breathes.

You see, bro, there are some "ignorant knowledge" we need to start learning from these folks. Lmao

hermosa7:

biblical prophecies coming true all before our eyes, eyewitness accounts of Jesus.

What are the biblical prohecies that are coming true before our very eyes today?

Who are the eye witness that accounted for anything about Jesus? Who are they and what evidence did they leave to show that anything they said about him is true, factual and verifiable?

Who among the people that wrote the Jesus stories was an eye witness?

Akin1212:


Lol, these people don't know that they are hydrocarbons o. They are clay, let them remain as clay.

Clay who started to talk and move around because god breathed into them. I never knew god breathes.

You see, bro, there are some "ignorant knowledge" we need to start learning from these folks. Lmao

God allegedly created the Universe of over 2 trillion galaxies just to perform miracles in Middle East before the advent of cameras in mobile phones? Interesting!

dalaman:


What are the biblical prohecies that are coming true before our very eyes today?

Who are the eye witness that accounted for anything about Jesus? Who are they and what evidence did they leave to show that anything they said about him is true, factual and verifiable?

Who among the people that wrote the Jesus stories was an eye witness?

You are very funny bro, your signature is much more funny.

God did not create the 2 trillion galaxies o, he only created the heavens and the earth. He did not create Mars, Jupiter, Uranus etc not to talk more of the remaining universes. He only created the heaven, his imaginary home, and the earth. Simple

And that is just as simple as it gets for simpletons like Butterflyl01

Akin1212:


Oh, he who made it is a giant scary motherfucker who lives in the sky.

Help me, help me, I'm scared.

He who made it is a spaghetti monster. So what?

I know what marvels you and what confuses you about the universe. I have said it, a dumb person would buy the God of the gap story.

But if you want to understand it, read science and not the pseudoscience your ally has been posting all this while. Meanwhile you can keep revelling in ignorance if that's what you want.

Why would the very first thing to pop into your head be fear when all I did was make a statement with you as a reference based on view point. I never meant to put fear in you or even an imagined one as that was not part of my words.

Ironically I am not awed by the universe as you allude but rather "settled" by it.

You can keep farting. Your fart must be very fanciful to you. The hurricane cares not.

butterflyl1on:



Why would the very first thing to pop into your head be fear when all I did was make a statement with you as a reference based on view point. I never meant to put fear in you or even an imagined one as that was not part of my words.

Ironically I am not awed by the universe as you allude but rather "settled" by it.

You can keep farting. Your fart must be very fanciful to you. The hurricane cares not.

The very first thing that came to my head was fear because, in the book of Proverbs, it was said that the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom.

Why are you antagonizing the Bible which said we should always fear God because he is a consuming fire? When you mentioned the one who created the universe, should I not be scared?

I hope my farting is making you wiser, if not then I can't help you.

Akin1212:


The polymerization reaction of amino acids is not reversible in the presence of WATER. The reversibility of polymerized amino acids, which is also called denaturation takes place in the presence of acid, heat, and enzymes. Water does not reverse polymerization, I repeat. You cannot turn science upside down, you just can't. You should know that. These are processes that have been demonstrated millions of times in the laboratory.
You cannot disprove them on Nairaland.
The conservation of mass or law of mass action does not apply here. The law only applies when you are talking about the mass a compound and the individual mass of the constituents, and the law of mass action proposes that the rate of a chemical reaction is directly proportional to the product of the activities or concentrations of the reactants. However, WATER is not a reactant in the polymerization of AMINO ACIDS, it is a product and hence can be added to more water in the solution. Or are you saying water cannot be added to water? Are you saying protein(the product of polymerization of amino acids) will become amino acids when in water?

My brother, don't let your brain run riot because you want to disprove evolution, it cannot be disproved by pseudoscience. I can meet up with you and then we will carry out polymerization of amino acids, if you don't mind.

Are you sure you lnow what denaturation is?

"When a protein is denatured, secondary and tertiary structures are altered but the peptide bonds of the primary structure between the amino acids are left intact." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denaturation_(biochemistry)

A. E. Wilder-Smith, Ph.D. (organic chemistry), said the following with regard to the problems associated with life beginning in water in a book on life's complexity:

"A further difficulty arises in this ... elimination of water. For, in the prebiotic world, it is assumed that the condensation reaction took place in the presence of a large ... (supply) of water which would tend, according to the law of mass action, to hinder the condensation process and ... (promote) decomposition (or breakdown of peptides and polypeptides) ... The more water, the less condensation."

"If the reaction is to proceed in the direction of the dipeptide, (or two amino acids joined together) ... the water molecule ... (that results) must be removed from the reaction ... since the reaction is reversible. If it is not removed ... (it will) hydrolyze (or separate) the dipeptide back ... to the (individual) constituent amino acids ..." http://www.earthage.org/is_water_the_solution.htm

"A peptide bond can be broken by hydrolysis (the addition of water). In the presence of water they will break down and release 8–16 kilojoule/mol (2–4 kcal/mol)[9] of free energy. This process is extremely slow, with the half life at 25C of between 350 and 600 years per bond." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peptide_bond

I ask you now, what happens to the peptide bond between the first two amino acids trying to form a dipeptide(on the way to forming the first protein, which is a polypeptide) in the primordial soup in the ocean, since Wikipedia says addition of water can break peptide bonds?

This question even assumes the whole process is not terminated by a unifunctional amino acid.

Akin1212:


The very first thing that came to my head was fear because, in the book of Proverbs, it was said that the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom.

Why are you antagonizing the Bible which said we should always fear God because he is a consuming fire? When you mentioned the one who created the universe, should I not be scared?

I hope my farting is making you wiser, if not then I can't help you.

Keep on deceiving yourself. You do not believe God exists yet you make reference to proverbs to cover up your silly show of fear.

I never knew being dumb was a fad and you are its ambassador.

Akin1212:


You are very funny bro, your signature is much more funny.

God did not create the 2 trillion galaxies o, he only created the heavens and the earth. He did not create Mars, Jupiter, Uranus etc not to talk more of the remaining universes. He only created the heaven, his imaginary home, and the earth. Simple

And that is just as simple as it gets for simpletons like Butterflyl01

I wonder why people that believe in the opinion of ignotant ancient Jews that say their God created the heaven and the earth in 7 days and also created the earth before the sun, still have the audacity to mock others. DoctorAlien is no different from those that believe in a flat earth because he is a young earth creationist that believes the universe is about 6000 years old.

I don't waste time arguing with them, I simply just tell them to use God alone and explain creation to us. Since they believe that this God of the ancient Jews created we humans then they should use God alone and explain how the DNA came about or they should use God alone and explain to us the human respiratory system. Ask them such a question and see how they'll start crying baa baa baa, meh meh meh.

Akin1212:


Are you saying protein(the product of polymerization of amino acids) will become amino acids when in water?

Yes.

"Proteins can react with water, breaking down into their amino acid building blocks.
protein + water →◊amino acids
This reaction is extremely slow unless a catalyst is added." https://www.chegg.com/homework-help/proteins-react-water-breaking-amino-acid-building-blocks-pro-chapter-6-problem-88qp-solution-9781285430232-exc

"Uncatalysed, the hydrolysis of peptide bonds is extremely slow, taking hundreds of years." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proteolysis

It is slow, but not impossible.

dalaman:


I wonder why people that believe in the opinion of ignotant ancient Jews that say their God created the heaven and the earth in 7 days and also created the earth before the sun, still have the audacity to mock others. DoctorAlien is no different from those that believe in a flat earth because he is a young earth creationist that believes the universe is about 6000 years old.

I don't waste time arguing with them, I simply just tell them to use God alone and explain creation to us. Since they believe that this God of the ancient Jews created we humans then they should use God alone and explain how the DNA came about or they should use God alone and explain to us the human respiratory system. Ask them such a question and see how they'll start crying baa baa baa, meh meh meh.

Lol, probably that was my mistake. I was hoping I could impart knowledge in a closed mind like DoctorAlien the copying machine. It would have been better if he had copied a good source, but what else?

They cannot use god, especially the God of the ancient to explain anything, they are not allowed to question him. And yet they want to use science disprove evolution.

DoctorAlien:


Yes.

"Proteins can react with water, breaking down into their amino acid building blocks.
protein + water →◊amino acids
This reaction is extremely slow unless a catalyst is added." https://www.chegg.com/homework-help/proteins-react-water-breaking-amino-acid-building-blocks-pro-chapter-6-problem-88qp-solution-9781285430232-exc

"Uncatalysed, the hydrolysis of peptide bonds is extremely slow, taking hundreds of years." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proteolysis

It is slow, but not impossible.

Now, this is where the ignorance I am talking about comes into play, read attentively. I am always happy to see someone who wants to learn.

- You remember you said water can hydrolyse protein? You're wrong based on the equation you provided up there, that's hydration and not hydrolysis.

- In hydrolysis, there is no breakage of protein and that's what happens in the biological systems, like in our bodies. Our body is mainly water and hydrocarbons such as proteins which don't break up. An example is the blood protein, SERUM ALBUMIN.

- Now you are coming back to your senses by saying it is slow, I like that. In science, not pseudo-science, when a reaction is slow it means it cannot happen under natural conditions. So contrary to the claims you made earlier that under normal conditions proteins will break down to amino acids, you are now saying it is slow. I like that really. Thanks for confessing.

- In hydration, protein does not break down. In short, hydration means that water molecules surround the protein. I will post a scientific journal here. A scientific journal is more credible than the homework website you posted up there.

https://www.hindawi.com/journals/tswj/2013/138916/

Please read and comprehend and help yourself.

DoctorAlien:


Yes.

"Proteins can react with water, breaking down into their amino acid building blocks.
protein + water →◊amino acids
This reaction is extremely slow unless a catalyst is added." https://www.chegg.com/homework-help/proteins-react-water-breaking-amino-acid-building-blocks-pro-chapter-6-problem-88qp-solution-9781285430232-exc

"Uncatalysed, the hydrolysis of peptide bonds is extremely slow, taking hundreds of years." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proteolysis

It is slow, but not impossible.

I need to ask what you will gain by abusing knowledge.

Protein + water is called hydration

protein+ heat is called denaturation

protein+ acid is called hydrolysis

protein+ enzyme is called proteolysis

So, uncatalyzed(without enzymes), hydrolysis(by acid or base) takes hundred of years.

You can only confuse people who don't know science

Have you even finished secondary school?

This is a big shame.

Akin1212:


Now, this is where the ignorance I am talking about comes into play, read attentively. I am always happy to see someone who wants to learn.

- You remember you said water can hydrolyse protein? You're wrong based on the equation you provided up there, that's hydration and not hydrolysis.

- In hydrolysis, there is no breakage of protein and that's what happens in the biological systems, like in our bodies. Our body is mainly water and hydrocarbons such as proteins which don't break up. An example is the blood protein, SERUM ALBUMIN.

- Now you are coming back to your senses by saying it is slow, I like that. In science, not pseudo-science, when a reaction is slow it means it cannot happen under natural conditions. So contrary to the claims you made earlier that under normal conditions proteins will break down to amino acids, you are now saying it is slow. I like that really. Thanks for confessing.

- In hydration, protein does not break down. In short, hydration means that water molecules surround the protein. I will post a scientific journal here. A scientific journal is more credible than the homework website you posted up there.

https://www.hindawi.com/journals/tswj/2013/138916/

Please read and comprehend and help yourself.

Biochemist indeed. You are terribly ignorant.

Hydrolysis (/haɪˈdrɒlɪsɪs/; from Ancient Greek hydro-, meaning "water", and lysis, meaning "to unbind" usually means the cleavage of chemical bonds by the addition of water. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrolysis
Hydrolyzed protein is a protein that has been hydrolyzed or broken down into its component amino acids.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrolyzed_protein

You're even confused. Are you talking about hydration or hydrolysis?

Akin1212 stop showing us how ignorant you're.

"Hydrolysis can be the reverse of a condensation reaction in which two molecules join together into a larger one and eject a water molecule. Thus hydrolysis adds water to break down, whereas condensation builds up by removing water and any other solvents." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrolysis

And you say that the process of forming proteins, which is actually a condensation reaction, is not reversible?

DoctorAlien:


Biochemist indeed. You are terribly ignorant.

Hydrolysis (/haɪˈdrɒlɪsɪs/; from Ancient Greek hydro-, meaning "water", and lysis, meaning "to unbind" usually means the cleavage of chemical bonds by the addition of water. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrolysis
Hydrolyzed protein is a protein that has been hydrolyzed or broken down into its component amino acids.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrolyzed_protein

You're even confused. Are you talking about hydration or hydrolysis?

I am a biochemist and I am proud of it.

But you are a dumbass and you proud of it too, because if not you will not be abusing knowledge.


There is hydrolysis and there is hydration.

If you don't understand something, you are supposed to ask.

Water can be responsible for hydrolysis and hydration, I didn't say it can't.

But water does not hydrolyze proteins, we are talking about hydrolysis and hydration of PROTEINS

We can say since proteins are needed to survive then water does not hydrolyze proteins.

Now read attentively,
when it comes to proteins instead of hydrolyzing the molecule, water hydrates it instead. This is why when you eat proteins, nothing happens until it reaches your stomach when it meets HCL(acid) and Pepsin(enzyme) which digest(hydrolyze) it, DESPITE THAT THERE'S WATER EVERYWHERE.

You claimed that evolution is impossible because amino acids cannot form proteins which are the building blocks in the presence of water which constitutes the bulk of the universe. You did not say the reaction was slow, now that I have busted you, you're ow saying it slow

Continue reading attentively and gain knowledge. If proteins are hydrolyzed by water as you claimed, then we cannot be alive. Proteins are the building blocks of our bodies, if the water we used to bath and drink touches them, then according to your theory, we would have been melted into amino acids. That is where you pseudoscience fails you again.


You ran to Wikipedia to search for hydrolysis, let me ask, did you search for hydration? Don't worry, I helped you already

In chemistry, a hydration reaction is a chemical reaction in which a substance combines with water. In organic chemistry, water is added to an unsaturated substrate, which is usually an alkene or an alkyne. This type of reaction is employed industrially to produce ethanol, isopropanol, and 2-butanol.[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydration_reaction

Hydrolyzed protein is a protein that has been hydrolyzed or broken down into its component amino acids.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrolyzed_protein

In your second link, your insincerity is once again obvious. You did not quote the whole statement. I have also helped you, you are not wise at all my friend, you should not have posted the link.

Hydrolyzed protein is a protein that has been hydrolyzed or broken down into its component amino acids. While there are many means of achieving this, two of the most common methods are prolonged boiling in a strong acid (acid-HVP) or strong base or using an enzyme such as pancreatic protease to simulate the naturally occurring hydrolytic process.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrolyzed_protein

When proteins are broken down into their constituent amino acids, the reaction is called hydrolysis, and water is not involved at all.

Akin1212 has destroyed this thread.

DoctorAlien:
Akin1212 stop showing us how ignorant you're.

"Hydrolysis can be the reverse of a condensation reaction in which two molecules join together into a larger one and eject a water molecule. Thus hydrolysis adds water to break down, whereas condensation builds up by removing water and any other solvents." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrolysis

And you say that the process of forming proteins, which is actually a condensation reaction, is not reversible?

Do you want me to start with you from basic chemistry?

Let me start with an analogy before I go into science.

John is an assassin and cheerful giver, he will kill anybody when is given a job. But he does not kill Muslims, instead he gives them money

Now, if John does not kill Muslims, does it mean he is not an assassin? Of course no.

Now compare it.

Water can act as a hydrolyzing agent and a hydrating agent, but when water is added to a protein, it does not hydrolyze it, instead, it hydrates it.

Very simple. Why this is very hard for you baffles me. Don't be stupid, bro.

In your link, please take note of the use of English language.

Your link says hydrolysis CAN be the reverse of a condensation reaction. As a student of English language, what is the difference between CAN and IS?

It means Hydrolysis in some cases, can be the reverse of condensation, and in some cases it cannot. Use your brain, please.

From the same link, they said:

Usually hydrolysis is a chemical process in which a molecule of water is added to a substance. Sometimes this addition causes both substance and water molecule to split into two parts. In such reactions, one fragment of the target molecule (or parent molecule) gains a hydrogen ion.

Sometimes, not all the time

Akin1212:


I am a biochemist and I am proud of it.

But you are a dumbass and you proud of it too, because if not you will not be abusing knowledge.


There is hydrolysis and there is hydration.

If you don't understand something, you are supposed to ask.

Water can be responsible for hydrolysis and hydration, I didn't say it can't.

But water does not hydrolyze proteins, we are talking about hydrolysis and hydration of PROTEINS

We can say since proteins are needed to survive then water does not hydrolyze proteins.

Now read attentively,
when it comes to proteins instead of hydrolyzing the molecule, water hydrates it instead. This is why when you eat proteins, nothing happens until it reaches your stomach when it meets HCL(acid) and Pepsin(enzyme) which digest(hydrolyze) it, DESPITE THAT THERE'S WATER EVERYWHERE.


Continue reading attentively and gain knowledge. If proteins are hydrolyzed by water as you claimed, then we cannot be alive. Proteins are the building blocks of our bodies, if the water we used to bath and drink touches them, then according to your theory, we would have been melted into amino acids. That is where you pseudoscience fails you again.


You ran to Wikipedia to search for hydrolysis, let me ask, did you search for hydration? Don't worry, I helped you already

In chemistry, a hydration reaction is a chemical reaction in which a substance combines with water. In organic chemistry, water is added to an unsaturated substrate, which is usually an alkene or an alkyne. This type of reaction is employed industrially to produce ethanol, isopropanol, and 2-butanol.[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydration_reaction


In your second link, your insincerity is once again obvious. You did not quote the whole statement. I have also helped you, you are not wise at all my friend, you should not have posted the link.

Hydrolyzed protein is a protein that has been hydrolyzed or broken down into its component amino acids. While there are many means of achieving this, two of the most common methods are prolonged boiling in a strong acid (acid-HVP) or strong base or using an enzyme such as pancreatic protease to simulate the naturally occurring hydrolytic process.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrolyzed_protein

When proteins are broken down into their constituent amino acids, the reaction is called hydrolysis, and water is not involved at all.

Biochemist indeed. You're a disgrace.

4kings:
Akin1212 has destroyed this thread.

Don't mind those dumb guys, they thought they know science but they don't.

That DoctorAlien goes on google to bring scientific nonsense without understanding what they are talking about.

I have studied science all my life, I will keep destroying them. They should bring it on.

DoctorAlien:


Biochemist indeed. You're a disgrace.

You are seriously a fool.

- You said in the presence of water protein is immediately broken down into amino acids.

- Now, you are running everywhere to prove that water breaks down protein and you saw that it is a very slow process which takes several hundred of years. What does that mean to you?

- I told you that in science, when a reaction takes several hundreds of years, for example, 500 years, then it means it is impossible or nearly impossible.

- Nobody can start such experiment and observe it happen and because of this it is impossible.

- Now, tell me how your claim stands? Have you lived for a hundred of years before to see it happen? Don't forget you said it happens immediately.

So, in light of the above evidence you brought here, hydrolysis of water is impossible.

Akin1212:
When proteins are broken down into their constituent amino acids, the reaction is called hydrolysis, and water is not involved at all.

Oh dear!

When you make a dreadful mistake like this, you should just correct it, instead of arguing.

sinequanon:


Oh dear!

When you make a dreadful mistake like this, you should just correct it, instead of arguing.

Watch him begin dropping insults on you for his blatant ignorant knowledge

Water isn't involved in hydrolysis indeed.