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Re: Is Jesus God? by lovingJehovah: 11:42am On Dec 12, 2017 |
It is your assignment to convince people of the message that you share. Next time you see a Jehovah's witness, duff your hat. This and more are the questions that we face every time we knock at a door. We give people answers from the Bible. Yet, we face opposition from people who cannot defend their own God. Jesus in Matthew 28:19-20 urged us to go make disciples of people and TEACH them TO OBEY his words. The most beautiful part of this assignment is that Jesus is with us until the end of this assignment. Jude 1:22 Also, continue showing mercy to some who have doubts; 23 save them by snatching them out of the fire. But continue showing mercy to others, doing so with fear, while you hate even the garment that has been stained by the flesh. Imagine yourself knocking on my door to tell me what you just typed to my face. joshnes: |
Re: Is Jesus God? by lovingJehovah: 11:47am On Dec 12, 2017 |
It shows that you are not trying. If you are leading people at 0% you need to be fired. As a leader, it is your responsibility to get up the ranking. If you read your previous answers you will see the difference. I will rephrase my question, if Jesus is the name of the Holy Spirit, can the 3 of them be called namesakes? joshnes: |
Re: Is Jesus God? by Nobody: 1:28pm On Dec 12, 2017 |
[quote author=Peacefullove post=63121510]@ bold this issues has already been dealt with. There is no where in the bible that states that the spirit of man and animal are the same. You posted a matt Slick Post saying Jesus is still a man in heaven , which means u agree with him Only for you to come here and say Jesus and his Father are equal by nature , what !it does not matter if I agree or not what matters is that the bible supports it denying this means denying the physical resurrection of Jesus Christ which you already deny. to understand if they are equal or not , I have this two questions for u .Jesus is both man and God Almighty the Father the not come in human nature.he has just one nature God. Note; the Father Son and Holy Ghost are one God Almighty not human. |
Re: Is Jesus God? by joshnes(m): 2:11pm On Dec 12, 2017 |
I'd rather not imagine that, if you are here quoting scriptures up and down and you don't know God, no human can help you. I repeat, it is not my duty to convince, I teach, I preach, the Holy Spirit is the convictor. I actually duff my hat when I see Jw's because of how explicitly mislead they are and still don't know. I also duff my heart for the few I know, who have finally come to see Jesus as God and also see the numerous lies your bible contain not that they were convinced by a man like you were, but by the Holy Spirit Himself. You guys are more like Islam and Judaism in your beliefs of Jesus. Read your bible for yourself reject indoctrination know God for yourself, don't let one man form your belief systems for you, know God for you. |
Re: Is Jesus God? by lovingJehovah: 2:18pm On Dec 12, 2017 |
have you ever read John 17:3 in your Bible? You still need to tell me the name of the Holy Spirit. you owe me that joshnes: |
Re: Is Jesus God? by joshnes(m): 2:22pm On Dec 12, 2017 |
lovingJehovah:You can call them whatever you want, I have answered that they are one and the same, different dimensions of God through different ages, call them namesakes if thats your understanding, It is the name they all bear, the name they all respond to, you can call it the family name. |
Re: Is Jesus God? by joshnes(m): 2:31pm On Dec 12, 2017 |
lovingJehovah:I have read it, and? The Holy Spirit bears the name of The Lord Jesus alongside the Father & The Son. How many times do you want to hear that. That is how much the bible reveals, if you have a name for Him, why, share. |
Re: Is Jesus God? by lovingJehovah: 2:38pm On Dec 12, 2017 |
What do you mean by indoctrination? Can you explain what you mean by "reject indoctrination"? joshnes: |
Re: Is Jesus God? by lovingJehovah: 2:39pm On Dec 12, 2017 |
What offshoot of Christianity are you? What Church or religion do you represent? joshnes: |
Re: Is Jesus God? by lovingJehovah: 2:49pm On Dec 12, 2017 |
solite3:Which of the Jesus, the man Jesus or the spirit in heaven? solite3:how about the Holy Spirit, did it come in human nature? solite3:If the father's nature is God, what nature is Jesus and the Holy Spirit? solite3:What is the difference between Ghost and Spirit? solite3:What equation did you use to arrive at that mystifying conclusion? When Jesus was on earth did it count as God Almighty or not? |
Re: Is Jesus God? by Nobody: 2:52pm On Dec 12, 2017 |
lovingJehovah:I wonder y i don't get to see my mentions again abi Nairaland don tire for me? U asked for d bible version i use, am one of those Christians who use several Bible versions so as to get the clearer picture from several perspectives and i will help u with a list of some, king james version, easy to read version, the message version and the three i use the most. U said king james version plagiarized william tyndales work, does it discredit the authenticity of William tyndales work? R u aware tyndale could fluently speak greek and hebrew? Unlike ur 5 men dat 4 of them don't av any knowledge about those languages? Why does ur society conceal d identity of the men until dey were bursted if they were credible. Lols its too difficult for u to admit dat Jesus never av a will or did anything of his will huh? U explanation of John1:1 still shows u aren't ready to accept d truth. If u r saying u didn't translate from the original greek, den wch version did u translate from and is ur translation in consonace with the version u translated from? It take more than persecution to be a true Christian, wat r u even facing in Russia? Is it up to wat an average Christians face in Islamic countries? How many purely Islamic countries are u ppl even present |
Re: Is Jesus God? by Nobody: 3:06pm On Dec 12, 2017 |
Peacefullove:The word translated as spirit in the old testament is ruach The Hebrew word ruach and the Greek word pneuma could both mean “spirit,” “breath,” or “ wind,” depending on the context |
Re: Is Jesus God? by joshnes(m): 3:11pm On Dec 12, 2017 |
lovingJehovah:I represent no church, what I have told you I read myself and learnt by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. |
Re: Is Jesus God? by Nobody: 3:12pm On Dec 12, 2017 |
lovingJehovah:Are you aware that both Jehovah and Jesus are called the Mighty God, So how many mighty God so how many mighty God do u have? |
Re: Is Jesus God? by joshnes(m): 3:23pm On Dec 12, 2017 |
lovingJehovah:Indoctrination is accepting all you're taught hook, line and sinker without checking things out yourself. I believe all you write here is what you have been taught or convinced of by a man, nothing you write is inspired. You obviously don't read the bible to see more, you only read from the perspective of what you have been convinced of by a man. You need to open up and not swim with only what you have been taught. |
Re: Is Jesus God? by Nobody: 3:34pm On Dec 12, 2017 |
lovingJehovah:@ bold Jesus is a man like you. Read this verse carefully and thoughtfully Hebrews 2:11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren, 2:12 Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee. 2:13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me. 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; 2:15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. 2:18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted. This verse has fully explained to you that Jesus is a man even till now. He calls his disciples his brothers because both he and they are humans. He is not an angel like you apostates calls him. Jesus never called angels his brothers because they do not have one nature, angels never calls men brothers. Jesus is the High priest even in heaven LovingGod Spirits or angels are never priests or high or high priest. Only humans can can intercede for humans. Hebrews 5:1 For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins: 5:2 Who can have compassion on the ignorant, and on them that are out of the way; for that he himself also is compassed with infirmity. Can you see that every high priest is taken from among men not spirits or angels. Another proof that Jesus is a man. There are countless proofs in the bible. |
Re: Is Jesus God? by lovingJehovah: 5:58pm On Dec 12, 2017 |
salvation101:Me either! I have to refresh to check for responses. I do not know why. It is a crazy development. salvation101:Yeah, right! One of the most interesting bullet dodgers weapon . salvation101:I like it when I smile and chuckle at the same time. Ride on! salvation101:We know the 'T' but we going to pretend as if we went on a hike LOL (excuse me but I don't know why I am giggling). Okay, in all which is your favourite Translation and why? salvation101:Oh, my God! Do you know what it feels like to murder a man for the same thing that you are guilty of? Tyndale was brutally murdered and publicly declared a heretic. What a way to die! And then, the same group of guys plagiarised and published his work. He did not get the credit for it. Check your Bible if you will see Tyndale as one of the contributors. It was only discovered by scholars years later then the trumpet was sounded. Has there been a public apology since then? salvation101:Glory be to Jehovah the giver of wisdom and knowledge. And can you believe that those who labelled him a heretic and killed him knew this? salvation101:Drum roll for the world-class writers of the King James Bible for killing a man and stealing his work. They stole his translation and took out the name, JEHOVAH that William Tyndale (with such massive knowledge and flexible language skill) used in his work. Sadly, they were blinded not to see Psalm 83:18 that says DECLARE THE NAME OF JEHOVAH, FOR HE 'ALONE" IS THE MOST HIGH! A few years later, they EDITED their Bible and removed the name JEHOVAH completely. Have you been able to provide the names of the men behind plagiarising Tyndale's translation? Can you provide the names of the men who EDITED the revised King James Bible and completely removed the name JEHOVAH where it appeared in Exodus 6:3, Psalm 83:18, Isaiah 12:2, Isaiah 26:4, and three times in compound place names at Genesis 22:14, Exodus 17:15 and Judges 6:24? Find out how many men were involved in this conspiracy. Are you keeping up with King James? Did you know that in 2011 King James Bible shamefully restored the name JEHOVAH from there they had replaced it? This was exactly 400 years after devilishly publishing and selling a twisted translation of the word of God. Imagine how many generations of humans that died without knowing the real name of their creator. Let us focus on the millions who died in the first and second world war alone. Are you aware of what 400 years of hidden truth(slavery) can do to the human race? Have you compared it to the same 400 years of the Israelites slavery in Egypt? Sadly, the same men who replaced the name JEHOVAH in the King James Bible etched the name JEHOVAH in their churches and their private places. But people did not realize. What a sinister act! I will insert some pictures so that you can see some terrible deception that the King James Bible could have exposed if they had copied the truth rather than being complicit in evil. salvation101:We have been very very open. look no further! What you seek is what you see. That is why I told you that you are on a smear campaign because you are focusing on men and not the written words or beliefs. There is a popular slogan "kill the game not the player". We have nothing to fear or hide. We are very transparent. I do not know about the 4 or 5 men that you are talking about. We have elders an a body overseeing our organisation. We are one body and not made up of 4 or 5 men. If you want details you can get them. Visit our headquarter, it is open. Visit our kingdom halls we are all there. We are all on the streets preaching everywhere in the world. Probably the 4 or 5 men you are referring have knocked at your door or one of them may be doing that this very minute. salvation101:If you have any verse in the Bible that clearly quotes Jesus saying that he did his own will, I will accept it. We live and learn. But show me the Bible verse and I will read it. The many that I have read Jesus clearly said that he cannot do a single thing of his own will but that of his father. salvation101:Your King James is a copy of a translation that the Catholic and Anglican Church termed a heretical translation and someone was killed for it. It would be double-crossing to tag Tyndale a heretic while giving King James a meritorious pass. Using that line of argument you will notice that the name rubs off on King James too. Take note: William Tyndale's Bible was a translation of the Bible from Latin, German and great help from John Wycliffe's translation. The King James Bible is a plagiarized version of William Tyndale's Bible (not Greek scripture), yet you classify it as one of your best Bible translation. You criticize ours with a point that it was not copied from the original Greek. Isn't that fraudulent? Where did King James get the ORIGINAL Greek scripture in 1611? No one had the original Greek scripture. What we had were copies of the original. You are trying to smear the JW but you are exposing your hypocrisy. Whoever pumped you did not cap the valve. We can go into details and you will clearly see the dirty sides of that Bible that you uphold above others. King James made some heretic insertion of texts that are missing in the Greek scripture. Do you know how sinful that is? The men who wrote it had no heart or love for God. How could one manipulate a material that has been preserved for thousands of years and meant for public consumption, then 400 years later restore it? It is perjury! Perjury can keep one behind bars up to five years. King James Bible has not enough credibility to stand before the Greek scripture. salvation101:What you just said is shocking. Does the death of a child from the US undervalue the death of another in Sudan? Persecution is persecution regardless of where it is. As a Christian what you must do is condemn evil and not compare evil. By your comment, you can abet an attack on someone else and not feel sober. Where is your conscience as a human being and as a Christian? The Bible never said that it takes more than persecution to be a true Christian. Be careful so that you do not deviate from the word of God. Pay attention to yourself and to your teaching 1 Timothy 4:16. What Church do you represent? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Jehovah%27s_Witnesses https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syBakwGF_6M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xB4ALpOn6Dg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFqe1T7pJEQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrN96LXgA2E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xl13phvq9JY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSFWqJxbcqs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SD2NB_YxSA
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Re: Is Jesus God? by lovingJehovah: 6:15pm On Dec 12, 2017 |
No disrespect but first you need to use a dictionary before you can conclude on what is inspired or not. Who taught you the meaning of indoctrination? joshnes: |
Re: Is Jesus God? by Peacefullove: 6:20pm On Dec 12, 2017 |
solite3: Eccl 3:19 says man and animal have same [Ruach ] Spirit . So u don't make sense |
Re: Is Jesus God? by lovingJehovah: 6:22pm On Dec 12, 2017 |
If you learn by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, what gives you the prerogative to judge or slander others based on their own beliefs? How about accepting that the Holy Spirit as well inspires them to accept what they believe. Or, are you the only one entitled to be inspired by the Holy Spirit? joshnes: |
Re: Is Jesus God? by Peacefullove: 6:23pm On Dec 12, 2017 |
solite3: You don't make any sense Eccl 3:19 says man and animal have same [Ruach ] Spirit . , So do you now agree ? Are you aware that some bible indicate in their footnote that breath in Eccl 3 vs 19 points to Spirit? |
Re: Is Jesus God? by lovingJehovah: 6:26pm On Dec 12, 2017 |
Good point! So, finally tell me where Jesus was referred to as the Almighty God solite3: |
Re: Is Jesus God? by Peacefullove: 6:42pm On Dec 12, 2017 |
[quote author=solite3 post=63214767][/quote] Anyone who agree Ruach means spirit in verse 21, Must face the fact that It means. Same in verse 19 too . Man and animals have same Ruach U say the Father is not a man , But the Son is still a man . Differences in Nature proofs they are not equal in Nature as you claimed |
Re: Is Jesus God? by joshnes(m): 7:16pm On Dec 12, 2017 |
lovingJehovah:How can you be inspired by someone you don't believe even believe in? |
Re: Is Jesus God? by lovingJehovah: 7:26pm On Dec 12, 2017 |
Did the Holy Spirit inspire you to judge? How can you literally prove your belief in the Holy Spirit? joshnes: |
Re: Is Jesus God? by joshnes(m): 7:29pm On Dec 12, 2017 |
lovingJehovah:first of all I don't need a dictionary to know what is inspired by the Holy Spirit or not. I have got the Holy Spirit and I know in my own spirit that your teachings are not inspired by the Holy Spirit. Some of your questions are just..... if I tell you who taught me the meaning of indoctrination, how will that help the aim of this thread? You've asked me the meaning, I have told you, you're still asking me who taught me? Please ask questions that will move us forward. |
Re: Is Jesus God? by joshnes(m): 7:39pm On Dec 12, 2017 |
lovingJehovah:Call it whatever you like. I have seen the truth and I will say it. When Paul met Bar-Jesus a false prophet, he didn't mince words, he was "filled with the Holy Ghost" and said the truth to his face. I also will not mince words at your terrible false doctrines. I have told you before I am not here to prove anything to you. How does somebody proves a belief if not by confession, I believe in the person of the Holy Spirit & I have Him dwelling in my spirit and producing in me the fruit of the Spirit. |
Re: Is Jesus God? by lovingJehovah: 7:39pm On Dec 12, 2017 |
That question should really move you forward. Your definition of indoctrination is sarcastic. Can you look the word up in a dictionary and compare to yours? The world might need a physical sign to prove that you are truly inspired. If you know in your own spirit that our teaching in not inspired, does your spirit always agree with the Holy Spirit? Or is the Holy Spirit always in you? joshnes: |
Re: Is Jesus God? by lovingJehovah: 7:43pm On Dec 12, 2017 |
joshnes:is part of the fruit judging and condemning others? |
Re: Is Jesus God? by joshnes(m): 7:54pm On Dec 12, 2017 |
lovingJehovah:that's not a fruit, it's a spiritual gift; it is called discerning of spirits. |
Re: Is Jesus God? by joshnes(m): 8:07pm On Dec 12, 2017 |
lovingJehovah:Of course He is ALWAYS in me. The Holy Spirit dwells in me because my body is His temple (1Cor 3:16). My spirit is ALWAYS in agreement with the Holy Spirit, because my spirit is born again, a brand new creature (2Cor 5:17). The Holy Spirit now bears witness with my spirit. |
Re: Is Jesus God? by lovingJehovah: 8:09pm On Dec 12, 2017 |
do you discern the spirit or the message of spirit? joshnes: |
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