It is your assignment to convince people of the message that you share. Next time you see a Jehovah's witness, duff your hat. This and more are the questions that we face every time we knock at a door. We give people answers from the Bible. Yet, we face opposition from people who cannot defend their own God. Jesus in Matthew 28:19-20 urged us to go make disciples of people and TEACH them TO OBEY his words. The most beautiful part of this assignment is that Jesus is with us until the end of this assignment.
Jude 1:22 Also, continue showing mercy to some who have doubts; 23 save them by snatching them out of the fire. But continue showing mercy to others, doing so with fear, while you hate even the garment that has been stained by the flesh.
Imagine yourself knocking on my door to tell me what you just typed to my face.

joshnes:
are you an atheist, you want me to be telling you about God as I will tell an atheist? By the way, it is not in my power to convince anybody of the existence of God. Nobody can convince anybody because it is God that draws people to Himself. Nobody convinced me, so I am not bound to convince anybody, I can share the gospel, but I cannot convince anybody.

It shows that you are not trying. If you are leading people at 0% you need to be fired. As a leader, it is your responsibility to get up the ranking.
If you read your previous answers you will see the difference.
I will rephrase my question, if Jesus is the name of the Holy Spirit, can the 3 of them be called namesakes?

joshnes:
I am 70% there to you, while to me you are 0% to where I am taking you. There is only but one name, I did not give you 2 names. There is nothing like the name of the Holy Spirit, just as there is nothing like the name of the Son or the Father, the three together have one name, and since you are afraid to call the name, I'll call it for you: JESUS is the NAME of the Father, of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

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Solite3 , am surprised u are still dragging matters on this thread, you who could not Identify the fact that man and animals are same spirit .

@ bold this issues has already been dealt with. There is no where in the bible that states that the spirit of man and animal are the same.

You posted a matt Slick Post saying Jesus is still a man in heaven , which means u agree with him Only for you to come here and say Jesus and his Father are equal by nature , what !

it does not matter if I agree or not what matters is that the bible supports it denying this means denying the physical resurrection of Jesus Christ which you already deny.

to understand if they are equal or not , I have this two questions for u .

To establish equality of nature

- how many nature does Jesus have ?

Jesus is both man and God Almighty

- How many natures did his father have?

waiting

the Father the not come in human nature.he has just one nature God.
Note; the Father Son and Holy Ghost are one God Almighty not human.

I'd rather not imagine that, if you are here quoting scriptures up and down and you don't know God, no human can help you. I repeat, it is not my duty to convince, I teach, I preach, the Holy Spirit is the convictor. I actually duff my hat when I see Jw's because of how explicitly mislead they are and still don't know. I also duff my heart for the few I know, who have finally come to see Jesus as God and also see the numerous lies your bible contain not that they were convinced by a man like you were, but by the Holy Spirit Himself. You guys are more like Islam and Judaism in your beliefs of Jesus. Read your bible for yourself reject indoctrination know God for yourself, don't let one man form your belief systems for you, know God for you.

have you ever read John 17:3 in your Bible?
You still need to tell me the name of the Holy Spirit. you owe me that

joshnes:
I'd rather not imagine that, if you are here quoting scriptures up and down and you don't know God, no human can help you. I repeat, it is not my duty to convince, I teach, I preach, the Holy Spirit is the convictor. I actually duff my hat when I see Jw's because of how explicitly mislead they are and still don't know. I also duff my heart for the few I know, who have finally come to see Jesus as God and also see the numerous lies your bible contain not that they were convinced by a man like you were, but by the Holy Spirit Himself. You guys are more like Islam and Judaism in your beliefs of Jesus. Read your bible for yourself reject indoctrination know God for yourself, don't let one man form your belief systems for you, know God for you.

lovingJehovah:
It shows that you are not trying. If you are leading people at 0% you need to be fired. As a leader, it is your responsibility to get up the ranking.
If you read your previous answers you will see the difference.
I will rephrase my question, if Jesus is the name of the Holy Spirit, can the 3 of them be called namesakes?

You can call them whatever you want, I have answered that they are one and the same, different dimensions of God through different ages, call them namesakes if thats your understanding, It is the name they all bear, the name they all respond to, you can call it the family name.

lovingJehovah:
have you ever read John 17:3 in your Bible?
You still need to tell me the name of the Holy Spirit. you owe me that

I have read it, and? The Holy Spirit bears the name of The Lord Jesus alongside the Father & The Son. How many times do you want to hear that. That is how much the bible reveals, if you have a name for Him, why, share.

What do you mean by indoctrination? Can you explain what you mean by "reject indoctrination"?

joshnes:
Read your bible for yourself reject indoctrination know God for yourself, don't let one man form your belief systems for you, know God for you.

What offshoot of Christianity are you?
What Church or religion do you represent?

joshnes:
I have read it, and? The Holy Spirit bears the name of The Lord Jesus alongside the Father & The Son. How many times do you want to hear that. That is how much the bible reveals, if you have a name for Him, why, share.

solite3:
Jesus is both man and God Almighty

Which of the Jesus, the man Jesus or the spirit in heaven?

solite3:
the Father the not come in human nature. he has just one nature God.

how about the Holy Spirit, did it come in human nature?

solite3:
he has just one nature God

If the father's nature is God, what nature is Jesus and the Holy Spirit?

solite3:
Note; the Father Son and Holy Ghost are one God Almighty not human.

What is the difference between Ghost and Spirit?

solite3:
Note; the Father Son and Holy Ghost are one God Almighty not human.

What equation did you use to arrive at that mystifying conclusion? When Jesus was on earth did it count as God Almighty or not?

lovingJehovah:
You should do some research on this. It will help to broaden your perspective on this issue. No Bible in this world was made from the original Greek manuscripts. Even your own cherished Bible was not translated from the original Greek manuscript. What we have are copies of the original Greek scriptures because due to overuse the original copies written by the apostles must have worn out perhaps. But through copies made over the years, we are privileged to have the word of God preserved for us today. The Greek Scripture was translated into many languages before the English language. It seems that you do not understand my point vividly. The English language Bible that you might conclude to be authentic (probably the "King James". I will wait for you to mention one) is a translation from the Latin Bible and it is partly a plagiarized work of William Tyndale's Bible. It will be a travesty for you to use that(Original Greek manuscript) as a point in public. You will be decimated with facts. Take note of that! I have asked you for the Bible that you approve of but you are very scared to mention one while you denigrate ours. What Bible do you have on the table? Name it and let us compare. It is such an easy thing to demand from someone, yet you have been circumventing. If you had the key to my salvation, wouldn't you help me?
Ludicrous! Wouldn't it be nice for Christians to say that Jesus told us that he came down from heaven to do the WILL of his father? His earthly mission was to accomplish the WILL of the father. Isn't that a core message of our belief as Christians? John 6:38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me.
Good! I knew you would not let this die so easy. You are tenacious and that is a virtue. Let me break it down for you. The accounts of Matthew and Mark have been a huge controversy for hundreds of years. No one speaks Aramaic today because it is a lost language. The Hebrew scripture known as the Old Testament is a translation from Aramaic to Aramaized Hebrew then Hebrew proper hence the disparity in spelling. In the account of Matthew and Mark, no one can positively identify the exact language used and that leaves an open-ended conclusion. Therefore, you cannot verily discredit any of the accounts. That is why I said that it is farcical to dare to question the credibility of Matthew's account. No one knows for sure, so it is better to accept it just as the Bible offers. As for Jesus, no one can tell if he spoke Latin or Greek but since he could communicate with Pilate and the Roman soldiers and generals, it leaves each one to his own thought. Nevertheless, one cannot decisively conclude on that matter because there is no actual record of that.
Brilliant question! In John 1:1, it may interest you to know that the Greek language of the first century did not have an indefinite article (“a” or “an”) and that leaves the matter open to question in some minds. This argument can also reflect other uses of the indefinite article in your Bible but let us proceed. The clue to John 1:1 is knowing the earliest translation of the Greek scripture that is relatively close to the English or Latin language grammar. The answer is the earliest Coptic translations of the Bible. The Christian Greek Scriptures were being translated into Coptic which has the use of the indefinite article during the 3d century C.E., and it was translated as a god. The appearance of Theon & Theos might be indicative of the sense in the Greek scripture. We might try translating it in 'Greeglish' (if ever there is a word like that LOL) "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was WITH theon, and the Word was theos".
In the two persons mentioned above, the exact word could have been used to refer to both but there was a change which is an indicator. 2 Corinthians 4:4 theos was also written as 'god'. Did anyone care to argue about it? No! Verse 2 of that same chapter threw more light on those. Subsequent verses int hat same chapter decides the position of Jesus compared to Theon. The New World Translation is not the only translation to embrace the facts in the Bible. Why is no one talking about the very sinful insertion of 1 John 5:7 in the KJV? It is a bestseller worldwide but if you are sincere in your God, why haven't you raised a flag?
Well, Yeah! We got banned and labelled as terrorists. They claim that we should not preach or read our Bible. The disrupt our meetings, plant evidence against us, burn our houses, jail and beat us up. The persecution is even more intense than video cameras can capture. It has been the same with Stalin and Hitler and many other countries. We are jailed and killed but the news will nto cover it. They just hate us not because of anything but the name and message that we carry.
We are undeterred. This is the last days so we know from Jesus' words that persecution will abound. We are ready for it and nothing will stop us from serving our God, Jehovah. You can view the link below if you can to see what Russia is doing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVn0wuVLZKQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0LqAGkeCas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ipYfBXsNV4
I am still waiting for you to present the world-class heavenly Bible to us. Just name it and we will literally scrape out the rust to your delight. The truth is very daring.
I will tell you the difference between smearing an organisation and revealing facts. When you attack the brand or name of an organisation you are smearing it. When you attack the message or product of an organisation you are exposing it. Telling an organisation that its Bible translation is heretical without presenting an option is a smear move. Physically inflicting pain and torture on us Calling us false and deluded without being able to defend your own doctrine is smearing.
Can you believe that someone on Nairaland claims that her reason for disliking the JW is because they do not pray? She said that a Jehovah's witness classmate did not close his eyes during their school prayer. Doesn't it make you wonder how someone accusing another of not closing his eyes was able to see during the same prayer?
We are anti-trinity doctrine because the Bible tells us so. Jesus emphatically said it that his father is his God and he reiterated by alluding that there is only one true God. I am a Christian because I follow the footsteps of Jesus and he said that his sheep will hear his words.
It is on record that right from immemorial he has always been one true God, the father from whom Jesus himself came as the Bible said. We cannot buckle to a Hellenistic doctrine incorporated into Christianity by a Pagan, Constantine in 325 CE. We would rather die with our faith than accept Pagan doctrines in our service to our father, Jehovah.

I wonder y i don't get to see my mentions again abi Nairaland don tire for me?
U asked for d bible version i use, am one of those Christians who use several Bible versions so as to get the clearer picture from several perspectives and i will help u with a list of some, king james version, easy to read version, the message version and the three i use the most.
U said king james version plagiarized william tyndales work, does it discredit the authenticity of William tyndales work? R u aware tyndale could fluently speak greek and hebrew? Unlike ur 5 men dat 4 of them don't av any knowledge about those languages? Why does ur society conceal d identity of the men until dey were bursted if they were credible.

Lols its too difficult for u to admit dat Jesus never av a will or did anything of his will huh?

U explanation of John1:1 still shows u aren't ready to accept d truth. If u r saying u didn't translate from the original greek, den wch version did u translate from and is ur translation in consonace with the version u translated from?

It take more than persecution to be a true Christian, wat r u even facing in Russia? Is it up to wat an average Christians face in Islamic countries? How many purely Islamic countries are u ppl even present

Peacefullove:

Solite3

Lack of understanding is what u are showing here

What is the Hebrew word for Spirit ?

does it appear in Eccl 3:19 ?


do justice to those two questions ... and let's expose the naked truth of this matter .

The word translated as spirit in the old testament is ruach
The Hebrew word ruach and the Greek word pneuma could both mean “spirit,” “breath,” or “ wind,” depending on the context

lovingJehovah:
What offshoot of Christianity are you?
What Church or religion do you represent?

I represent no church, what I have told you I read myself and learnt by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

lovingJehovah:
1 Corinthians 8:6 to us (the first century Christians, Jesus in John 20:17; John 17:3, and to Jehovah's witnesses) there is ONLY ONE TRUE GOD.

Are you aware that both Jehovah and Jesus are called the Mighty God, So how many mighty God so how many mighty God do u have?

lovingJehovah:
What do you mean by indoctrination? Can you explain what you mean by "reject indoctrination"?

Indoctrination is accepting all you're taught hook, line and sinker without checking things out yourself. I believe all you write here is what you have been taught or convinced of by a man, nothing you write is inspired. You obviously don't read the bible to see more, you only read from the perspective of what you have been convinced of by a man. You need to open up and not swim with only what you have been taught.

lovingJehovah:
How about John 20:17 when Jesus himself says that he has a God? Would you call Jesus a liar?
You quoted my comment, the emboldened above. Is headship found in John 20:17? When you call someone your [b]God, does it sound like a co-equalling?[/b] Did Jesus sound that way in that verse? Can you show me any Bible where Jesus plainly said that He is 3 in one God? Any verse where Jesus referred to himself as God?

@ bold Jesus is a man like you.


Read this verse carefully and thoughtfully

Hebrews 2:11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,
2:12 Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.

2:13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.

2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

2:15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

2:18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

This verse has fully explained to you that Jesus is a man even till now.
He calls his disciples his brothers because both he and they are humans.
He is not an angel like you apostates calls him.
Jesus never called angels his brothers because they do not have one nature, angels never calls men brothers.
Jesus is the High priest even in heaven
LovingGod Spirits or angels are never priests or high or high priest. Only humans can can intercede for humans.

Hebrews 5:1 For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins:

5:2 Who can have compassion on the ignorant, and on them that are out of the way; for that he himself also is compassed with infirmity.


Can you see that every high priest is taken from among men not spirits or angels.

Another proof that Jesus is a man. There are countless proofs in the bible.

salvation101:

I wonder y i don't get to see my mentions again abi Nairaland don tire for me?

Me either! I have to refresh to check for responses. I do not know why. It is a crazy development.

salvation101:

U asked for d bible version i use, am one of those Christians who use several Bible versions so as to get the clearer picture from several perspectives

Yeah, right! One of the most interesting bullet dodgers weapon .

salvation101:
and i will help u with a list of some,

I like it when I smile and chuckle at the same time. Ride on!

salvation101:
king james version, easy to read version, the message version and the three i use the most.

We know the 'T' but we going to pretend as if we went on a hike LOL (excuse me but I don't know why I am giggling). Okay, in all which is your favourite Translation and why?

salvation101:

U said king james version plagiarized william tyndales work, does it discredit the authenticity of William tyndales work?

Oh, my God! Do you know what it feels like to murder a man for the same thing that you are guilty of? Tyndale was brutally murdered and publicly declared a heretic. What a way to die! And then, the same group of guys plagiarised and published his work. He did not get the credit for it. Check your Bible if you will see Tyndale as one of the contributors. It was only discovered by scholars years later then the trumpet was sounded. Has there been a public apology since then?

salvation101:
R u aware tyndale could fluently speak greek and hebrew?

Glory be to Jehovah the giver of wisdom and knowledge. And can you believe that those who labelled him a heretic and killed him knew this?

salvation101:
Unlike ur 5 men dat 4 of them don't av any knowledge about those languages?

Drum roll for the world-class writers of the King James Bible for killing a man and stealing his work. They stole his translation and took out the name, JEHOVAH that William Tyndale (with such massive knowledge and flexible language skill) used in his work. Sadly, they were blinded not to see Psalm 83:18 that says DECLARE THE NAME OF JEHOVAH, FOR HE 'ALONE" IS THE MOST HIGH! A few years later, they EDITED their Bible and removed the name JEHOVAH completely. Have you been able to provide the names of the men behind plagiarising Tyndale's translation? Can you provide the names of the men who EDITED the revised King James Bible and completely removed the name JEHOVAH where it appeared in Exodus 6:3, Psalm 83:18, Isaiah 12:2, Isaiah 26:4, and three times in compound place names at Genesis 22:14, Exodus 17:15 and Judges 6:24? Find out how many men were involved in this conspiracy.
Are you keeping up with King James? Did you know that in 2011 King James Bible shamefully restored the name JEHOVAH from there they had replaced it? This was exactly 400 years after devilishly publishing and selling a twisted translation of the word of God. Imagine how many generations of humans that died without knowing the real name of their creator. Let us focus on the millions who died in the first and second world war alone. Are you aware of what 400 years of hidden truth(slavery) can do to the human race? Have you compared it to the same 400 years of the Israelites slavery in Egypt?
Sadly, the same men who replaced the name JEHOVAH in the King James Bible etched the name JEHOVAH in their churches and their private places. But people did not realize. What a sinister act! I will insert some pictures so that you can see some terrible deception that the King James Bible could have exposed if they had copied the truth rather than being complicit in evil.

salvation101:
Why does ur society conceal d identity of the men until dey were bursted if they were credible.

We have been very very open. look no further! What you seek is what you see. That is why I told you that you are on a smear campaign because you are focusing on men and not the written words or beliefs. There is a popular slogan "kill the game not the player". We have nothing to fear or hide. We are very transparent. I do not know about the 4 or 5 men that you are talking about. We have elders an a body overseeing our organisation. We are one body and not made up of 4 or 5 men. If you want details you can get them. Visit our headquarter, it is open. Visit our kingdom halls we are all there. We are all on the streets preaching everywhere in the world. Probably the 4 or 5 men you are referring have knocked at your door or one of them may be doing that this very minute.

salvation101:

Lols its too difficult for u to admit dat Jesus never av a will or did anything of his will huh?

If you have any verse in the Bible that clearly quotes Jesus saying that he did his own will, I will accept it. We live and learn. But show me the Bible verse and I will read it. The many that I have read Jesus clearly said that he cannot do a single thing of his own will but that of his father.

salvation101:

U explanation of John1:1 still shows u aren't ready to accept d truth. If u r saying u didn't translate from the original greek, den wch version did u translate from and is ur translation in consonace with the version u translated from?

Your King James is a copy of a translation that the Catholic and Anglican Church termed a heretical translation and someone was killed for it. It would be double-crossing to tag Tyndale a heretic while giving King James a meritorious pass. Using that line of argument you will notice that the name rubs off on King James too.
Take note: William Tyndale's Bible was a translation of the Bible from Latin, German and great help from John Wycliffe's translation. The King James Bible is a plagiarized version of William Tyndale's Bible (not Greek scripture), yet you classify it as one of your best Bible translation. You criticize ours with a point that it was not copied from the original Greek. Isn't that fraudulent?
Where did King James get the ORIGINAL Greek scripture in 1611? No one had the original Greek scripture. What we had were copies of the original. You are trying to smear the JW but you are exposing your hypocrisy. Whoever pumped you did not cap the valve. We can go into details and you will clearly see the dirty sides of that Bible that you uphold above others.
King James made some heretic insertion of texts that are missing in the Greek scripture. Do you know how sinful that is? The men who wrote it had no heart or love for God. How could one manipulate a material that has been preserved for thousands of years and meant for public consumption, then 400 years later restore it? It is perjury! Perjury can keep one behind bars up to five years. King James Bible has not enough credibility to stand before the Greek scripture.

salvation101:

It take more than persecution to be a true Christian, wat r u even facing in Russia? Is it up to wat an average Christians face in Islamic countries? How many purely Islamic countries are u ppl even present

What you just said is shocking. Does the death of a child from the US undervalue the death of another in Sudan? Persecution is persecution regardless of where it is. As a Christian what you must do is condemn evil and not compare evil. By your comment, you can abet an attack on someone else and not feel sober. Where is your conscience as a human being and as a Christian?
The Bible never said that it takes more than persecution to be a true Christian. Be careful so that you do not deviate from the word of God. Pay attention to yourself and to your teaching 1 Timothy 4:16.
What Church do you represent?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Jehovah%27s_Witnesses

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syBakwGF_6M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xB4ALpOn6Dg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFqe1T7pJEQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrN96LXgA2E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xl13phvq9JY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSFWqJxbcqs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SD2NB_YxSA

No disrespect but first you need to use a dictionary before you can conclude on what is inspired or not. Who taught you the meaning of indoctrination?

joshnes:
Indoctrination is accepting all you're taught hook, line and sinker without checking things out yourself. I believe all you write here is what you have been taught or convinced of by a man, nothing you write is inspired. You obviously don't read the bible to see more, you only read from the perspective of what you have been convinced of by a man. You need to open up and not swim with only what you have been taught.

solite3:

The word translated as spirit in the old testament is ruach
The Hebrew word ruach and the Greek word pneuma could both mean “spirit,” “breath,” or “ wind,” depending on the context

Eccl 3:19 says man and animal have same [Ruach ] Spirit .


So u don't make sense

If you learn by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, what gives you the prerogative to judge or slander others based on their own beliefs? How about accepting that the Holy Spirit as well inspires them to accept what they believe. Or, are you the only one entitled to be inspired by the Holy Spirit?

joshnes:
I represent no church, what I have told you I read myself and learnt by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

solite3:

The word translated as spirit in the old testament is ruach
The Hebrew word ruach and the Greek word pneuma could both mean “spirit,” “breath,” or “ wind,” depending on the context

You don't make any sense

Eccl 3:19 says man and animal have same [Ruach ] Spirit . , So do you now agree ?

Are you aware that some bible indicate in their footnote that breath in Eccl 3 vs 19 points to Spirit?

Good point! So, finally tell me where Jesus was referred to as the Almighty God

solite3:
Are you aware that both Jehovah and Jesus are called the Mighty God, So how many mighty God so how many mighty God do u have?

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Anyone who agree Ruach means spirit in verse 21, Must face the fact that It means. Same in verse 19 too . Man and animals have same Ruach


U say the Father is not a man , But the Son is still a man . Differences in Nature proofs they are not equal in Nature as you claimed

lovingJehovah:
If you learn by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, what gives you the prerogative to judge or slander others based on their own beliefs? How about accepting that the Holy Spirit as well inspires them to accept what they believe. Or, are you the only one entitled to be inspired by the Holy Spirit?

How can you be inspired by someone you don't believe even believe in?

Did the Holy Spirit inspire you to judge?
How can you literally prove your belief in the Holy Spirit?

joshnes:
How can you be inspired by someone you don't believe even believe in?

lovingJehovah:
No disrespect but first you need to use a dictionary before you can conclude on what is inspired or not. Who taught you the meaning of indoctrination?

first of all I don't need a dictionary to know what is inspired by the Holy Spirit or not. I have got the Holy Spirit and I know in my own spirit that your teachings are not inspired by the Holy Spirit. Some of your questions are just..... if I tell you who taught me the meaning of indoctrination, how will that help the aim of this thread? You've asked me the meaning, I have told you, you're still asking me who taught me? Please ask questions that will move us forward.

lovingJehovah:
Did the Holy Spirit inspire you to judge?
How can you literally prove your belief in the Holy Spirit?

Call it whatever you like. I have seen the truth and I will say it. When Paul met Bar-Jesus a false prophet, he didn't mince words, he was "filled with the Holy Ghost" and said the truth to his face. I also will not mince words at your terrible false doctrines. I have told you before I am not here to prove anything to you. How does somebody proves a belief if not by confession, I believe in the person of the Holy Spirit & I have Him dwelling in my spirit and producing in me the fruit of the Spirit.

That question should really move you forward. Your definition of indoctrination is sarcastic. Can you look the word up in a dictionary and compare to yours?
The world might need a physical sign to prove that you are truly inspired. If you know in your own spirit that our teaching in not inspired, does your spirit always agree with the Holy Spirit? Or is the Holy Spirit always in you?

joshnes:
first of all I don't need a dictionary to know what is inspired by the Holy Spirit or not. I have got the Holy Spirit and I know in my own spirit that your teachings are not inspired by the Holy Spirit. Some of your questions are just..... if I tell you who taught me the meaning of indoctrination, how will that help the aim of this thread? You've asked me the meaning, I have told you, you're still asking me who taught me? Please ask questions that will move us forward.

joshnes:
Call it whatever you like. I have seen the truth and I will say it. When Paul met Bar-Jesus a false prophet, he didn't mince words, he was "filled with the Holy Ghost" and said the truth to his face. I also will not mince words at your terrible false doctrines. I have told you before I am not here to prove anything to you. How does somebody proves a belief if not by confession, I believe in the person of the Holy Spirit & I have Him dwelling in my spirit and producing in me the fruit of the Spirit.

is part of the fruit judging and condemning others?

lovingJehovah:
is part of the fruit judging and condemning others?

that's not a fruit, it's a spiritual gift; it is called discerning of spirits.

lovingJehovah:
That question should really move you forward. Your definition of indoctrination is sarcastic. Can you look the word up in a dictionary and compare to yours?
The world might need a physical sign to prove that you are truly inspired. If you know in your own spirit that our teaching in not inspired, does your spirit always agree with the Holy Spirit? Or is the Holy Spirit always in you?

Of course He is ALWAYS in me. The Holy Spirit dwells in me because my body is His temple (1Cor 3:16). My spirit is ALWAYS in agreement with the Holy Spirit, because my spirit is born again, a brand new creature (2Cor 5:17). The Holy Spirit now bears witness with my spirit.

do you discern the spirit or the message of spirit?

joshnes:
that's not a fruit, it's a spiritual gift; it is called discerning of spirits.