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Re: Is Jesus God? by lovingJehovah: 8:10pm On Dec 12, 2017 |
so how many spirits do you possess in the factual sense? joshnes: |
Re: Is Jesus God? by joshnes(m): 8:17pm On Dec 12, 2017 |
lovingJehovah:you discern the spirit, a message can sound right but an evil spirit is behind it (Acts 16:16-18). In JWs case, the message and the spirit are not of God. |
Re: Is Jesus God? by lovingJehovah: 8:20pm On Dec 12, 2017 |
That is an irrelevant attack for now. How do you discern the spirit? joshnes: |
Re: Is Jesus God? by joshnes(m): 8:24pm On Dec 12, 2017 |
lovingJehovah:I am not spilling facts for you, I am telling you the truth and you better accept and be free. I am a spirit, I have a soul and I live in a body. The Holy Spirit also dwells in me. If there is anything I possess or own it will be a soul and a body. I don't possess the Holy Spirit, in fact I'd rather say He possesses me. |
Re: Is Jesus God? by Hairyrapunzel: 8:27pm On Dec 12, 2017 |
joshnes:You cannot convince people who think their Jehovah will slaughter 650 million babies and 8 billion non jws so 8 million jws including rapists, pedophilles, narcissists, psychopath, murderers, thieves etc so they can inherit earth forever. Loving Jehovah that thinks his/her real life is not here on earth will not listen to you. She cannot be stopped from entering her imaginary paradise earth. |
Re: Is Jesus God? by Hairyrapunzel: 8:31pm On Dec 12, 2017 |
lovingJehovah: You people that slander Catholics nobody has ever questioned you guys for it. Saying that there will be gruesome murder of non jws by your God is considered judging too. |
Re: Is Jesus God? by lovingJehovah: 9:00pm On Dec 12, 2017 |
What is fact and who are you saving it for? Be bold to express yourself instead of dodging questions that appear as storms to you. The Holy Spirit possesses you! Can you show me in the Bible where someone gets possessed by the Holy Spirit? joshnes: |
Re: Is Jesus God? by joshnes(m): 9:15pm On Dec 12, 2017 |
lovingJehovah:what I say are the truth, facts are bound by human knowledge, truth is not bound by anything. Mr lovingJehovah, I used your word possess to help your own understanding. The Holy Spirit dwells, abides, lives, is at home in me. He therefore owns my body or possesses it as His own. Therefore He can deal with anyone or anything that tries to defile it (2Cor 3:16, 17). |
Re: Is Jesus God? by joshnes(m): 9:20pm On Dec 12, 2017 |
lovingJehovah:I know by the witness of the Holy Spirit. He guides me into ALL truth, He bears witness, testimony with my spirit and I can thereby discern an evil spirit. If you don't know, your spirit is the most basic way of hearing from God after His Word. |
Re: Is Jesus God? by joshnes(m): 9:24pm On Dec 12, 2017 |
Hairyrapunzel:I have said I am not out to convince anybody, but to speak the truth. They must hear truly who they are, and how demonic their teachings are |
Re: Is Jesus God? by lovingJehovah: 9:32pm On Dec 12, 2017 |
You do not have to recoil. I am human like you. You can easily say, 'I withdraw that statement", "my bad" or "I was wrong on that". It is more manly. I understand every word that you say so you do not need to use puerile slangs to make me understand anything. I will ask for clarification if I need one. Therefore, do you want to admit that the Holy Spirit has not possessed anyone? Or, do you want to hold on to that? I am pretty sure that you took a lil while to do some quick lookup. How do the quoted verses below reflect here? They dont. joshnes: |
Re: Is Jesus God? by lovingJehovah: 9:36pm On Dec 12, 2017 |
So, the entire role of the Holy Spirit is to help you recognize evil spirits? Where did you get the concept that our spirit is the most basic way of hearing from God after his word? Can you back that up with the Bible? joshnes: |
Re: Is Jesus God? by joshnes(m): 9:37pm On Dec 12, 2017 |
lovingJehovah:what does it mean to possess? what is a possession? |
Re: Is Jesus God? by joshnes(m): 9:49pm On Dec 12, 2017 |
lovingJehovah:your questions sometimes portray you in a terrible light intellectually. Did I ever say that's his only role? That's not His only role. Read John 16:13-14, you will see the role of the Holy Spirit in the life of a believer. The Holy Spirit plays this role through our own spirit (Rom 8:16). It is the spirit of a man that communicates with the Holy Spirit. One of the signs of a son of God is the leading by the Spirit of God through your own human spirit. |
Re: Is Jesus God? by lovingJehovah: 10:24pm On Dec 12, 2017 |
You didn't attempt to answer my question. According to the Bible, evil angels are known to possess (hence they manipulate and control) while the Holy Spirit, which is the active force of Jehovah is mentioned to fill or be with. joshnes: |
Re: Is Jesus God? by lovingJehovah: 10:27pm On Dec 12, 2017 |
Sorry, I forgot this one. A possession is something owned. For example, the Bible says that God's people are his own possession joshnes: |
Re: Is Jesus God? by joshnes(m): 10:32pm On Dec 12, 2017 |
lovingJehovah:okay my spirit man is possessed by the Holy Spirit, my spirit is His house, his dwelling place. |
Re: Is Jesus God? by lovingJehovah: 10:33pm On Dec 12, 2017 |
A knowledgeable and reasonable mind always knows how to tackle the most difficult questions. My questions are simply drawn from what you say. Read your previous comments and judge for yourself. You talk and I question for clarification joshnes: |
Re: Is Jesus God? by joshnes(m): 10:34pm On Dec 12, 2017 |
lovingJehovah:He is also mentioned to dwell in the believer, isn't He? |
Re: Is Jesus God? by lovingJehovah: 10:35pm On Dec 12, 2017 |
How can it be? Spirits can only be possessed by demons. The Holy Spirit is not mentioned to perform in such manner joshnes: |
Re: Is Jesus God? by lovingJehovah: 10:36pm On Dec 12, 2017 |
We are not looking for synonyms. Are you insisting that you are possessed (by a spirit)? joshnes: |
Re: Is Jesus God? by joshnes(m): 10:38pm On Dec 12, 2017 |
lovingJehovah:Thats another issue with you guys, you think spiritual things are of knowledge and reason. Nope, that question was out of the blue, because I never said or even suggested that all the Holy Spirit does is to discern spirits. |
Re: Is Jesus God? by joshnes(m): 10:41pm On Dec 12, 2017 |
lovingJehovah:How can it be? I have told you numerous times, the Holy Spirit dwells in me (1Cor 3:16). That is how it be. |
Re: Is Jesus God? by joshnes(m): 10:49pm On Dec 12, 2017 |
lovingJehovah:your evasive tactics will not work tonight. Answer this; does the bible mention that the Holy Spirit dwells in man or not? Someone asked you how many Mighty Gods there are today, you didn't answer, you instead asked your own question. Answer my question and the question you're asking, I have answered already. Answer the questions you are asked and stop using subtilty and be straight forward. |
Re: Is Jesus God? by Nobody: 11:11pm On Dec 12, 2017 |
lovingJehovah: Am serious wen i say i use several versions. The first i revert to is Easy to read version and the message is always intact in fact it amplifies wat is in other reliable versions. Why do u make it seem like Tyndale was killed for his work to be stolen? The church in England at dat time didn't want tge Bible translated from the Greek and Hebrew versions and so dey used their influence with the government to get him executed.. Dis didn't happen under king james so take note (i av seen the full documentary on TBN before). Wen King James ascended the throne he canceled those evil laws and ordered a 55 man committee to translate the Bible to English language so that everyone could be able to understand it for themselves even those dey alot of Tyndale works were incorporated into it, it was by thorough scrutiny by the 55 man team to preserve the original meaning. It goes to show dat Tyndale did an excellent job even though he didn't finish everything before he was killed . the book was publish and King James who authorized the translation was given the honor. U talked about plagiarism law, at dat time, nothing of such existed. By d way, copyright law only gives the copyrighter the right to his intellectual property for 100yrs and d bible is hundreds of years old already. Were u trying to sound spiritual wen u said dat God is the giver of knowledge and so he gave ir translators knowledge to translate ur book? Yes God is the giver of knowledge, but den the Bible said we should seek knowledge. I dont know ur secular job but am sure if u are an engineer, u wont enter a theater to carry out an operation. Am sure if u want to av a hair cut, u won't be seeking a tailor. Tyndale was properly schooled in both greek and Hebrew before he could attempt to translate the Bible. If u aren't schooled in mandarins, can u convert from ur local dialet to mandarin? U said i ought to feel sober, but u said u knew it was persecution and u aren't bothered.. The Muslims are persecuted in America too. Once u a lady put on hijab she is labeled as a terrorist. Black Africans are suffering in Libya does dat make dem the true followers of christ? Its not my joy dat one is not allowed to practice his/her religion freely as it in part of fundamental human right, am just telling you dat it is not enough to make one a true follower of Christ. U don't believe in the trinity U don't believe in the resurrection of christ U don't believe there is hell fire U don't believe in the rapture How den do u claim to be a Christian? |
Re: Is Jesus God? by lovingJehovah: 4:31am On Dec 13, 2017 |
You are funny. We began with being possessed by the spirits and now that you see your folly you are trying to digress. Can we focus on one at a time? Keep that one pending let us focus on being possessed by the spirit. You said that you were possessed by the spirit. So I am asking how, when it is mentioned that demons are the spirits possessing. What spirit are you really possessed by? As for the other guy's question, I have taken care of it and you are not the guy to use him as a reference. Use our very own conversation as a reference and stay on it. joshnes: |
Re: Is Jesus God? by lovingJehovah: 4:36am On Dec 13, 2017 |
Do we need to purchase a dictionary for you? Dwell and Possess are two different words that are not even synonyms. If you dwell in my house, do you possess my house? Since Abraham dwelled in tents, was that the possession that God gave him? joshnes: |
Re: Is Jesus God? by lovingJehovah: 8:10am On Dec 13, 2017 |
salvation101:Who certified them reliable? salvation101:The Bible says that an evil person will not sleep until he commits evil Proverbs 4:16. What else would you call it if not an egregious crime? Blaspheming against someone, calling him a heretic, and disgracefully Killing him while years later you publish the same thing that you killed that man for. What breed of evil is that? Aren't you complicit trying to defend them? Are you seeing the stain of innocent blood in your (best) Bible? salvation101:You see! These are facts that you need to seek. Do some findings! Who was the Church of England and who was the government? Tell me! The Bible says do unto others as you, in turn, desire to receive. Saying that the Church of England did not want the Bible translated from Greek or Hebrew is an emphatic lie. Do not lie to conceal bloodguilt. In the 1500's The Bible was already in Latin, Egyptian Language, German, English(John Wycliffe) even before William Tyndale. None of these people were reading the Bible in Greek or Hebrew at that time. People were reading and translating from Latin. And why would they not want God's word to be translated into English when the masses spoke English and not Latin, Hebrew or Greek? Don't you smell the devil's rat? They all wanted control. They knew people would find out the truth and break free. They wanted to spoon-feed people with heresy by using tormentuous hellfire as a leverage to instil fear in the hearts of the masses. salvation101:Ludicrous! Do not try to be complicit. The Church never changed. And it is never right to steal someone else's work. He could have simply reprinted more copies of Tyndale's work rather than stealing and rebranding? salvation101:No, that is a hoax. Was he translating what has already been translated? It cannot be translation. If you look intently they call it King James VERSION, not "Translation". If he did any translation works it would have been King James Translation. Give credit to whom it is due, Tyndale. You yourself wrote about his multiple language skills. How credible were the 55 man committee that they could not see the name JEHOVAH in some verses after replacing the name about 7000 times in other verses? What were their qualifications? Plagiarism is a crime and no one involved in such act should get any credit at all. If Tyndale were not killed, and in our soceity today, he would sue King James and the court would squash all the King James Bibles with a heavy fine imposed on King James or even jail time. He got away because he was the king. A thief of a heretical work (that is what the Catholics and Orthodox would have called him back in the days) by the standard of the Church. salvation101:Hahaha. You are comical. Scrutiny, my foot! King James gave them simple instructions and they coud not follow. The were just copying everything and looking for the name JEHOVAH to replace. Please, join scholars who have been scrutinizing the heretic 1 John 5:7 that they inserted in the KJV. Those men were unskilled enough to scrutinize from the Greek and Hebrew scriptures to know that the name of God is not LORD but Jehovah. At least, they should have used the Tetragrammaton, YHWH. The funny thing is that they themselves scrutinized their own Bible afterwards and completely removed the name JEHOVAH that they left out initially. After 400 years, they scrutinized themselves again to restore the name JEHOVAH almost 7000 times. Much ado about scrutiny. Am exhausted LOL. salvation101:They just love to reinforce that statment to gain paramount credit for themselves. "He didn't complete the Bible". I will scale over that issue for now. salvation101:The mission was accomplished not that the book was publish. If you squint you will know what I am talkign about. salvation101:As humans, we all have our consciences trolling us. We know when we are stealing, with or without a law. We are talking about a King that had sovereign power over a people. Even if there were laws, he would have killed to have his way. A thief is a thief no matter how the law is construed. salvation101:Amazing! I love the law. Tyndale's work was published 1536 and King James plagiarised in 1611. That is 75 years, so will you accept that someone broke the copyright law? LOL salvation101:What is your obsession with these men? LOL. We have the Hebrew and Greek copies online. We will dig up and you will show me where King James Bible got 1 John 5:7. Are you even bothered about that? You should be more worried that there is dead rat smelling in your own house than another man's. The Bible that you have in your hand right now has some heretic texts inserted into it and that doesn't feel heavy to you? salvation101:I do not think that an engineer discovered Microsoft. David was a herdsman but he defeated Goliath. 2 Corinthians 4:7 However, we have this treasure in earthen vessels, so that the power beyond what is normal may be God’s and not from us. Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus said in response: “I publicly praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and intellectual ones and have revealed them to young children. Those people you revere and uphold have published a Bible that they have EDITED so many times yet you view them as intellectual and wise ones. They have failed and left in your hand an insertion of a disgusting and heretical text in 1 John 5:7. You defiantly defend them. These men plagiarised from a brutally murdered innocent man that they name a heretic, yet you defend them. Who will avenge the blood of William Tyndale? JEHOVAH! You uphold people who denied the people of God the privilege to hear and read his word in the very language that they understand. Yet, you want to condemn men who make their effort just like Tyndale to preserve the word of God. Jehovah witnesses were slandered and ridiculed for restoring the name JEHOVAH in the Bible. We were called all sort of names. But people failed to see that the very celestial King James Bible also contains the name JEHOVAH. They failed to announce that JEHOVAH is a name crested in their churches? They failed to announce that King James who deleted the name JEHOVAH from the Bible in the 1600's engraved the name in his coin. They failed to announce to the world that the celestial King James version has also restored the name JEHOVAH in the King James Bible in 2011. They rather look for other reasons to malign us. Open your eyes and see! salvation101:What were the qualifications of the men who plagiarised Tyndale's property? salvation101:The Yoruba Bible was published by a white man and you accepted it. The Igbo Bible was published by a white man and that is acceptable. Even the pidgin language dictionary was published by Oyibo man and you never cringed. But you are so obsessed with the JW and seeking ways to defame us. It is well documented that the Pharisees were seeking ways to kill Jesus. I have presented you a solid fact. When you admit, I will know that you are not biased. Doesn't 1 John 5:7 itch you in the palm anytime you lift the KJV? salvation101:We are not because we anticipate it anytime. Jesus has told us already. We do not expect pity from you or anyone. Jehovah has been protecting and guiding us through all the attacks and persecution. Did you know that you are only one, and there are millions of you out there attacking the JW? salvation101:You have a right to choose your belief but Matthew 10:22 says that we will be persecuted ON ACCOUNT OF HIS NAME. We abide by the law, but why the opposition? For example, we have our own Bible. We do not sell it to you or are you obliged to own one. Yet, you cannot sleep. The one that you have, you did not check to see the rottenness inside of it. Jesus advised you to remove the rafter from your own eyes first. salvation101:I hear you. salvation101:Positive! It is Hellenistic doctrine and it was incorporated into Christianity by a Pagan, Constantine in 325 CE. About 200 years after the death of the last apostle of Christ. salvation101:False. We believe that he was buried, yes, that he was raised up on the third day according to the Scriptures 1 Corinthians 15:4. salvation101:There is no word like HELLFIRE in the Holy Scriptures. Can you show me? salvation101:There is no word like "RAPTURE" mentioned in the Holy Scriptures. Please, show me salvation101:Jesus set it straight in John 13:35 that true Christians will have love among themselves. We do not go to war and we are one united brotherhood. During the war Catholics in Russia killed Catholics in France. During the tribal clashes in Delta state, Redeem members from Ijaw killed Redeem members from Itsekiri. During the Nigerian civil war, Christians from Nigeria killed Christians from Biafra. If there happens to be another war in Nigeria, the man who sat beside you during the last Sunday's service might kill you and count it as a blessing from God. Muslims kill Muslims in their attacks and wars and they feel justified. In the event of any war, your daddies, pastors or religious leaders will pray for the efficacy of your weapons to kill your fellow church members on the opposing side. This is what we as Jehovah's Witnesses do not do. We, rather have love among ourselves. John 13:35
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Re: Is Jesus God? by joshnes(m): 8:59am On Dec 13, 2017 |
lovingJehovah:I don't expect you to understand, I said my spirit is a possession of the Holy Spirit. One of the definitions of possess in the Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary is "to control or dominate something". No need to purchase a dictionary, I have got one already. The Holy Spirit controls and dominates my human spirit. |
Re: Is Jesus God? by joshnes(m): 9:02am On Dec 13, 2017 |
lovingJehovah:ok |
Re: Is Jesus God? by lovingJehovah: 9:09am On Dec 13, 2017 |
Brave men own up while cowards duck. That is the saying of an old soldier. I can send you a receipt of you saying that you are possessed by the Holy Spirit. Let us iron it out once and for all time. Are you possessed by the Holy Spirit? joshnes: |
Re: Is Jesus God? by joshnes(m): 9:27am On Dec 13, 2017 |
lovingJehovah:Oh, I Am. He controls and dominates my human spirit. |
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