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The truth be told, if you dont pay your Tithe, you wouldnt make Heaven. If your pastor is eating your Tithe, you are in the wrong church, That Pastor of yours is a Thieve and he is disconnected from God. Leave that Church. Any body who succeed in deceiving you from paying your Tithe have done a great damage to your soul. Daddy Freeze will realize his mistake at the long run

ONY3KAH:
Matthew 23:23 KJV
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Jesus was never against tithing....

Jesus was never for tithing either, the only two instances where Jesus mentioned tithes in the bible was in rebuking the pharisees.

Are you a Pharisee?

Ochoiho:
The truth be told, if you dont pay your Tithe, you wouldnt make Heaven . If your pastor is eating your Tithe, you are in the wrong church, That Pastor of yours is a Thieve and he is disconnected from God. Leave that Church. Any body who succeed in deceiving you from paying your Tithe have done a great damage to your soul. Daddy Freeze will realize his mistake at the long run

Where did you get this warped doctrine from? Maybe from your pastor but cerainy not Jesus or the bible.

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honniemail:
Tithing works for me and there is nothing anyone would say to change me...i had a personal convinction nd i am tithing till i die by God's grace.

I was once an unbeliever who criticise this...i would say "look at these pple moving around in their legedese benz..funding their GO's to get jets

But now i know better by HIS grace..

I wont say freeze is wrong...but he doesnt have an indepth understanding of giving

He is freeing d "sheepie" on tithing, has he heard of sacrificial given

He shouldnt even bother to know cos he will develop heart attack when he gets to know wat we are parting with to give as sacrifice not to man but to God who has put it in our hands

Tithes and offerings are used to pay salaries of worker i.epastors, acountants..clearners etc

Their are over 18000 working staffs in my church are they not citizens of this country
Does frezze and his followers know how many family that is being fed,housed nd educated with this salary they earn frm f church

Is it not the tithe that is being use to pay them??
Pls i want to know how the pastor is embezzling d moni cos me i am not understanding

Even d private jets is not bought in d pastors name its in d church name nd i know of times delegates av gine on trips with this jet thats on several occassion withiout d GO's

I pay my tithe
I give to my parents
I give to d needy around me
And i touch lives in my little capacity

And i will continue to do so till Jesus come

placebo effect is what is working for u, not the tithe

Ochoiho:
The truth be told, if you dont pay your Tithe, you wouldnt make Heaven. If your pastor is eating your Tithe, you are in the wrong church, That Pastor of yours is a Thieve and he is disconnected from God. Leave that Church. Any body who succeed in deceiving you from paying your Tithe have done a great damage to your soul. Daddy Freeze will realize his mistake at the long run

Bible passage please.

Acidosis:
You know the Bible like the back of your hands but you don't know that fraudulent Churches have been in existence even before the Ministry of Jesus?

Churches existing before Jesus? That's new....

xest:
Go and sit down oga. From your post and Bible references you lack adept knowledge of Christ Jesus.
The woman in question put her offering and that was her last penny. (freewill offering)
Now christ was looking at d heart not what is left. He said from the bottom of her heart she gave all that she had....... That penny is equivalent to 2 naira now.
So christ was moved by his faith, heart and willingness to give even the little she had.

About buying a private jet for ur pastor.
I see many of u r beclouded by there brainwashing. Instead of u to tlk abt helping the poor with such money, u buy a jet for a pastor to use and fly for pleasure and tourism.
U mentioned apostle Paul saying something about collecting money, that money oga is for those who has nothing amongst the brethren, the widows, orphans and ministry upkeep.

then what are you saying ?? Pls google about Christ embassy inner city missions, church are still doing all this things, do you know how many jobless folks churches employ and pay them big time salary! Many more like that , you all should wake up and stop going the way of anti-christi #peace

ONY3KAH:
Matthew 23:23 KJV
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Jesus was never against tithing....

what can u deduce from the last sentence of that verse?...... Jesus was trying to tell them dat tithing isn't important in his kingdom. He doesn't consider it, rather the important things matter to him, not tithing

Acidosis:
You want to free a sheeple while your hands and legs are completely tied with chains of ignorance?

he was talking about tithes , he never said he shouldnt give gifts or offerings to the church

Don't mind the fool

xest:
Go and sit down oga. From your post and Bible references you lack adept knowledge of Christ Jesus.
The woman in question put her offering and that was her last penny. (freewill offering)
Now christ was looking at d heart not what is left. He said from the bottom of her heart she gave all that she had....... That penny is equivalent to 2 naira now.
So christ was moved by his faith, heart and willingness to give even the little she had.

About buying a private jet for ur pastor.
I see many of u r beclouded by there brainwashing. Instead of u to tlk abt helping the poor with such money, u buy a jet for a pastor to use and fly for pleasure and tourism.
U mentioned apostle Paul saying something about collecting money, that money oga is for those who has nothing amongst the brethren, the widows, orphans and ministry upkeep.

The widow can be compared to the poor in nowadays churches. She gave what she had and it wasn't recorded that she became rich. Christ did not even complain about her being poor and giving all to the "corruptly" rich religious leaders but instead commended her faith in giving all she had. Why didn't Christ stop her if it was wrong to give?
Why didn't Christ criticise the religious leaders for taking from the poor?

Acidosis:
I'm pained because most of you don't know a thing about the bible.


Someone woke from nowhere, downloaded a Bible App from PlayStore and began to confuse y'all.


Engage me with the above points or shut ya mouth!

Lol please do not argue with ignorant people. Jesus himself asked us to choose between life and death. when dey stop paying tithe to me it means less competition for God extra blessing.

wirinet:
Jesus was never for tithing either, the only two instances where Jesus mentioned tithes in the bible was in rebuking the pharisees.

Are you a Pharisee?

But in that passage Jesus didn't condemn tithe either! He clearly said that there were more important things that should be done just as well as the less important things(which included tithes)but he DIDNT condemn tithe in that passage..that passage alone nullified every anti tithing campaign and arguments...because it came from Christ himself.

Ochoiho:
The truth be told, if you dont pay your Tithe, you wouldnt make Heaven. If your pastor is eating your Tithe, you are in the wrong church, That Pastor of yours is a Thieve and he is disconnected from God. Leave that Church. Any body who succeed in deceiving you from paying your Tithe have done a great damage to your soul. Daddy Freeze will realize his mistake at the long run

i hope u realize ur mistake soon

Please op, of all the places that God instructed the children of isreal which I know we are not to tithe, please can you show me where he stated that we should tithe with money other than produce of the land?

How people can twist the bible to suit their ignorance and selfish goals?

@OP, the bible is such a beautiful and spiritual book, It is the word of God. However, what you want to see is what you will see in the messages therein.

miketayo:
he was talking about tithes , he never said he shouldnt give gifts or offerings to the church

Don't you see how naive you church goers sound?? So according to you and freeze, I'm free to give my entire months wage to the church willingly but I will be wrong to give ten percent of a month wage to the church? Does that even make sense to you lots??

They have tried to muddy the waters by deriding Daddy Freeze’s assertion that in biblical times, it was scriptural to eat your tithe in the house of God and wash it down with a glass of beer.
They also hastened to intimidate Christians by insisting if they don’t tithe, they would be cursed. That is a lot of hogwash.

The very attempt to invoke curses in a simple debate about tithing indicates a bankruptcy of reason. Threatening Christians in order to force them to give is witchcraft; it is not the way of Christ.

The New Testament position says: “Let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver.” (II Corinthians 9:7).

Giving in order to avoid curses is giving “of necessity;” not cheerful giving.

“Winebibbers”
It is biblical to drink beer in church.
The word of a General Overseer cannot override the scriptures. Moses says take your tithe: “to the place the Lord your God has chosen. When you arrive, you may use the money to buy any kind of food you want—cattle, sheep, goats, wine, or other alcoholic drink. Then feast there in the presence of the Lord your God and celebrate with your household.” (Deuteronomy 14:25-26).

Beer is an alcoholic drink; that means you could drink it in the “house of God.” A General Overseer cannot be holier than Jesus. Jesus drank alcohol.

That is why his self-righteous opponents called him a “drunkard.” (Matthew 11:19). In the first miracle he performed, Jesus did not turn water into Ribena or orange juice. He turned water into wine.

Don’t buy the lie: biblical wine is fermented and therefore alcoholic. Moses specifically says: “wine or other alcoholic drink.” (Deuteronomy 14:26).

That means the tithing wine is alcoholic. Drinking alcohol is not a sin, but drunkenness is. (Romans 13:13). Paul says: “Do not get drunk on wine.” (Ephesians 5:18).

He does not say: “do not drink wine.” Drink it, but not to the point of drunkenness. The wine used for Holy Communion is alcoholic.
When the Corinthians were having Communion in an unruly manner, Paul complained that: “some go hungry while others get drunk.” (I Corinthians 11:21).
No-body gets drunk on non-alcoholic wine.

"Curses and blessings"
Let no believer be intimidated by vain curses: “Curses will not harm someone who is innocent.” (Proverbs 26:2). Tithe or no tithe, believers are blessed: “with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ.” (Ephesians 1:3). Therefore, God would never curse us.
As God said to Balaam concerning Israel, “You must not put a curse on those people, because they are blessed.” (Numbers 22:12).
Pastors and General Overseers should desist from manipulating Christians with threats of curses.

God says to Abraham: “I will curse whoever curses you.” (Genesis 12:3). Therefore, if your General Overseer curses you, the curse will only fall on his head. If these curses were not vain, I would be a dead man already.

But I dare anyone to curse a prophet of God for doing his work. Moreover, tell the eminent General Overseer, there is nothing special about a church building. The church is not the house of God. If it ever was, it no longer is. “The Most High does not dwell in temples made with hands.” (Acts 7:48).
It is morally wrong, in any case, to prescribe one conduct for the church and another outside the church. Believers don’t worship God in churches. Jesus says we worship God “in Spirit and truth.” (John 4:23).

"Fleecing the flock"
The only people authorised to receive tithes were the Levites. (Hebrews 7:5). Therefore, Daddy Freeze is right: no Nigerian prophet, so-called pastor or highfalutin General Overseer is qualified to receive tithes from members of his or her congregation.

Even Jesus could not have received the tithe because he was not from the tribe of Levi but from Judah. Today, Jewish rabbis who still follow the Mosaic Code no longer receive tithes because Levi is one of the lost tribes of Israel.

All Jewish genealogical records were lost with the destruction of the temple in AD 70. How then can Nigerian pastors who are not even Jewish, how much more Levites, receive tithes? In any case, God did not accept money as tithe.

The tithe was tied to the land, which was God’s gift to Israel. Therefore, it was a tenth of the seed and fruit of the land and of the animals which ate of the land. (Leviticus 27:30-32).

That is why God says: “Bring all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be FOOD in my house.” (Malachi 3:10). He does not say “that there may be MONEY in my house.” If you bring money, you must convert it to foodstuff.
Your tithe is then eaten in the presence of the Lord, and given to the Levites, strangers, widows and the fatherless. (Deute-ronomy 14:24-26).
However, pastors today only accept money as tithe, showing they are nothing but money-grubbers who fleece the flock. Servants who worked on the land did not tithe because the land did not belong to them.

Since only agricultural resources were tithe-able, only farmers and keepers of livestock gave tithes. So if you are neither, tell your 419 pastor tithing is scripturally inapplicable to you.


"Law and grace"
John says: “The law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.” (John 1:17). Tithing belongs to the Law of Moses.
But Christians are not under the law but under grace. (Romans 6:14). The law was not given to Nigerians, it was given to Jews. (Psalms 147:19-20; Malachi 4:4).

Therefore, the Law on tithes is inapplicable to Nigerians.

Tithing was primarily applicable to Jews in Israel.
When Jewish po-pulations grew in Babylon, Ammon, Moab and Syria, these lands also became tithe-able lands.
However, tithes were unacceptable from strictly Gentile lands.
So it makes no sense to tithe in Nigeria. Levites were not given any land in Israel. God says: “Instead, I give to the Levites as their inheritance the tithes that the Israelites present as an offering to the Lord.” (Numbers 18:24).
But today’s pastors own lands and houses. Therefore, they do not live as Levites and should stop pretending to be Levi-tes.
You cannot cherry-pick what to obey in the law: “The person who keeps all of the laws except one is as guilty as a person who has broken all of God’s laws.” (James 2:10).

Therefore, if Nigerian pastors insist on tithing, they must also insist on all other stringent requirements of the law; including the stoning to death of adulterers, disobedient children, homosexuals and Sabbath violators.

They should also restore blood-sacrifices for good measure. The fact that they don’t attests eloquently to their duplicity.

Churches in Nigeria are all fraudulent. I’m still looking for one that will just remind me of Jesus. Not Christianity for mouth.
You can’t be living flamboyant lifestyle, wearing Gucci and flying private jets when more than half of the population live on less than $1 a day. Do you even know how much it takes to maintain a private jet?? And a particular GO has 4 of it. And you call yourself a pastor. And one in a very poor country at that.

I’ve argued this thing with some ppl, it’s more like a disease of ignorance, deceit and scam. Africa is so laid back but we’ll get there some day.

Remember tithing is difference from giving.

Dady freeze is concerned about tithing, not giving to the church.

The question remains, is it right to pay tithe today?

honniemail:
Tithing works for me and there is nothing anyone would say to change me...i had a personal convinction nd i am tithing till i die by God's grace.

I was once an unbeliever who criticise this...i would say "look at these pple moving around in their legedese benz..funding their GO's to get jets

But now i know better by HIS grace..

I wont say freeze is wrong...but he doesnt have an indepth understanding of giving

He is freeing d "sheepie" on tithing, has he heard of sacrificial given

He shouldnt even bother to know cos he will develop heart attack when he gets to know wat we are parting with to give as sacrifice not to man but to God who has put it in our hands

Tithes and offerings are used to pay salaries of worker i.epastors, acountants..clearners etc

Their are over 18000 working staffs in my church are they not citizens of this country
Does frezze and his followers know how many family that is being fed,housed nd educated with this salary they earn frm f church

Is it not the tithe that is being use to pay them??
Pls i want to know how the pastor is embezzling d moni cos me i am not understanding

Even d private jets is not bought in d pastors name its in d church name nd i know of times delegates av gine on trips with this jet thats on several occassion withiout d GO's

I pay my tithe
I give to my parents
I give to d needy around me
And i touch lives in my little capacity

And i will continue to do so till Jesus come

Congratulations, you are officially a sheep.
Saying that tithing works for you is similar to
saying that yawning works for you, tithing has
no bearing on your personal life.

the bible is a book of confusion, those in favour of freeze and those against have biblical references

honniemail:
Tithing works for me and there is nothing anyone would say to change me...i had a personal convinction nd i am tithing till i die by God's grace.

I was once an unbeliever who criticise this...i would say "look at these pple moving around in their legedese benz..funding their GO's to get jets

But now i know better by HIS grace..

I wont say freeze is wrong...but he doesnt have an indepth understanding of giving

He is freeing d "sheepie" on tithing, has he heard of sacrificial given

He shouldnt even bother to know cos he will develop heart attack when he gets to know wat we are parting with to give as sacrifice not to man but to God who has put it in our hands

Tithes and offerings are used to pay salaries of worker i.epastors, acountants..clearners etc

Their are over 18000 working staffs in my church are they not citizens of this country
Does frezze and his followers know how many family that is being fed,housed nd educated with this salary they earn frm f church

Is it not the tithe that is being use to pay them??
Pls i want to know how the pastor is embezzling d moni cos me i am not understanding

Even d private jets is not bought in d pastors name its in d church name nd i know of times delegates av gine on trips with this jet thats on several occassion withiout d GO's

I pay my tithe
I give to my parents
I give to d needy around me
And i touch lives in my little capacity

And i will continue to do so till Jesus come

truth be told, demons would always like to attack the church. even Jesus was attacked. all the disciples were attacked and most killed. boko haram is attacking the church. freeze's attack shouldnt be a breaking news. in the midst of this baseless attack, deeper just commissioned a 45k seater capacity church. in Nov, 2017, God used a single man to build a one billion naira church structure for winners at vgc, lagos and was commissioned by papa oyedepo. dunamis is opening a 75k seating capacity church by early next year in abuja. when pastors and the church was poor, they were happy and mocking (shes as poor as a church rat) now, they are pained and frustrated. dem never see anything.

Ochoiho:
The truth be told, if you dont pay your Tithe, you wouldnt make Heaven. If your pastor is eating your Tithe, you are in the wrong church, That Pastor of yours is a Thieve and he is disconnected from God. Leave that Church. Any body who succeed in deceiving you from paying your Tithe have done a great damage to your soul. Daddy Freeze will realize his mistake at the long run

Oh my goodness! Who is this?

some of you pay tithes but find it hard to pay your tax. After you will be blaming government for not providing you with good roads, proper medical care etc. zombies will always be zombies. What I am sure of is some of these churches would soon be converted to factories where goods are made for the development of this nation

Acidosis:
2. Jesus watched as the "Sheeple" widow dropped money for corrupt religious leaders but He did not free the "Sheeple"
- Mark 12:41-

At the time Jesus observed the widow's offering, the treasury was managed by corrupt religious leaders, but Jesus did not free the sheeple widow. Nowhere was it mentioned that Jesus instructed her not to give her last penny! Instead Christ was interested in blessing her seed. Ask yourself, would Jesus partake in the #freethesheeple movement if He and the Apostles were around today?

Thanks for confirming that your religious leaders are corrupt.
Should they be corrupt and continue to daily crucify Christ on the cross


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xest:
Go and sit down oga. From your post and Bible references you lack adept knowledge of Christ Jesus.
The woman in question put her offering and that was her last penny. (freewill offering)
Now christ was looking at d heart not what is left. He said from the bottom of her heart she gave all that she had....... That penny is equivalent to 2 naira now.
So christ was moved by his faith, heart and willingness to give even the little she had.

About buying a private jet for ur pastor.
I see many of u r beclouded by there brainwashing. Instead of u to tlk abt helping the poor with such money, u buy a jet for a pastor to use and fly for pleasure and tourism.
U mentioned apostle Paul saying something about collecting money, that money oga is for those who has nothing amongst the brethren, the widows, orphans and ministry upkeep.

Christ was moved by her willing heart to give HER LAST PENNY TO THE CORRUPT CHURCH ELDERS Abi? Now why are u not moved by the willingness of the poor people to give their last penny to the current curropt G.Os ? Just listen to yourself . be twisting the bible the way j like and be claiming to be wiser than God like your freezing Daddy Messiah