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Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by Grace001: 12:14pm On Nov 25, 2017
Gombs:



Where in the NT did Christ take His bath? Can we say he didn't just because it wasn't written down?


Milk you dry? How much you get?

How come something important as TITHE was omitted in NT, but NT talked about how Jesus told his disciple about the poor widow's offering Mark 12:41-44.

NT talked about storing up riches for yourselves here on earth (Matthew 6:19-21)

NT talked about you cannot serve both God and money(Luke 16:13)

NT talked about how Jesus had last supper with his disciple, fed thousands with breads and fishes, how he rode donkey to Jerusalem,he talked about helping the needy etc.

But not about TITHING, maybe the writers must have forgot that part.

Now I know that your mumu never do. You're so confused and good at manipulating God's words to satisfy yourself. You're a manipulator, I hope you will wake up from your divine slumber someday.
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by petra1(m): 12:23pm On Nov 25, 2017
Grace001:


How come something as important as tithe was omitted in NT, but NT talked about how Jesus had last supper with his disciple,

How come Jesus didn't talk about homosexuality to condemn it ? Is that enough to legalize it.

But he talked about tithe .

Matthew 23:23
“. . . . You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things.

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Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by Grace001: 12:57pm On Nov 25, 2017
petra1:


How come Jesus didn't talk about homosexuality to condemn it ? Is that enough to legalize it.

But he talked about tithe .

Matthew 23:23
“. . . . You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things.



In light of that passage which make clear how Jesus felt about the practice of tithing, I doubt that the practice was followed by the apostles. Nowhere in The NT do we read about the apostles either preaching tithing, or practicing it.

Tithing was never practiced by the early church.The great apostle Paul even while spreading the Gospel from country to country actually fended for himself (1 thes 2:9,2 thes 3:7-10) The early Christians freely sold their possessions and laid them at the Apostles feet Acts 2:45, it didn't say 10 %

There is no record in the new testament where any of these great apostles paid tithes. I challenge YOU with any contrary opinion to quote any line of the NEW TESTAMENT TO PROVE THAT THE APOSTLES PAID TITHES. How come the NT didn't talked about it among the important things these great apostles want us to emulate from them as a Christians.

You guys are manipulators.
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by Goodyshoes(m): 1:27pm On Nov 25, 2017
Grace001:



In light of that passage which make clear how Jesus felt about the practice of tithing, I doubt that the practice was followed by the apostles. Nowhere in The NT do we read about the apostles either preaching tithing, or practicing it.

Tithing was never practiced by the early church.The great apostle Paul even while spreading the Gospel from country to country actually fended for himself (1 thes 2:9,2 thes 3:7-10) The early Christians freely sold their possessions and laid them at the Apostles feet Acts 2:45, it didn't say 10 %

There is no record in the new testament where any of these great apostles paid tithes. I challenge YOU with any contrary opinion to quote any line of the NEW TESTAMENT TO PROVE THAT THE APOSTLES PAID TITHES. How come the NT didn't talked about it among the important things these great apostles want us to emulate from them as a Christians.

You guys are manipulators.

Aptly put.
These responses are major my business protection schemes, aimed at preserving the age long teaching of people parting ways with money in the name of tithe.
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by petra1(m): 10:50pm On Nov 26, 2017
Grace001:



In light of that passage which make clear how Jesus felt about the practice of tithing, I doubt that the practice was followed by the apostles. Nowhere in The NT do we read about the apostles either preaching tithing, or practicing it.


Numbers 18:24
21 And, behold, I have given the Levites all the tithes in Israel for an inheritance in return for their service which they serve, the [menial] service of the Tent of Meeting.

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by menxer: 1:13am On Nov 27, 2017
petra1:
It's laughable when some who don't study their bibles feel there is a hidden conspiracy about tithing in the church which pastors have been covering up. Daddy freeze claims that the Bible. Command tithes to be uses to drink beer. Firstly that's is insult to God and stupid .

Let me explain the manipulation and error of Daddy freeze here . He told a lie that tithe is to be given to the poor and to eat and drink that is error .

Tithe belong to God right right from the days of father Abraham who’s principle of faith we follow .

Under the law God still commanded isreal to give tithes and offerings. Which is used for the service of the house of God and welfare and support of workers and ministers there .


Leviticus 27:30.
And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto the Lord.

Numbers 18:21-25
21 And, behold, I have given the Levites all the tithes in Israel for an inheritance in return for their service which they serve, the [menial] service of the Tent of Meeting.

After God Instructed them on the tithe to him through the levites , he asked the people to give another 10% to the poor every 3 years and another 10% for a love feast to eat and drink . That doesn’t replace the tithe to God. And that is the error and deception of daddy freeze . He didn’t mentioned the title to God and gave the impression that the other 10% for feast and for the poor were the same. .

As much as we are not tithing based on the law. We tithe based on Abrahamic revelation . However the explanation here is to throw light on the misrepresentation by daddy freeze .


THERE WERE THREE DIFFERENT KINDS OF TITHES

There were three different kinds of tithes in the Bible . Daddy freeze dwell on a minor one to rubbish the major one .

The three different types are as follows:

1. THE LEVITICAL TITHE (sacred to God).

Leviticus 27:30
And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto the Lord

This tithe is used for the work of service in the place of worship and also for the welfare of the workers there.

Numbers 18:21-25
21 And, behold, I have given the Levites all the tithes in Israel for an inheritance in return for their service which they serve, the [menial] service of the Tent of Meeting.


2. THE TITHE OF THE FEAST (Deut. 14:22-27).(daddy freeze beer boozing tithe )
Deuteronomy 14:22-23
Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year. And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always.


3. THE TITHE FOR THE POOR (Deut. 14:28, 29). (Every 3 years)
This is done once in very 3 years . It is shared among the poor . While the main annual tithe still runs .

Deuteronomy 14:28-29
At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates: And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest

The first tithe, the one we trace back to Abra­ham (Gen. 14:18-20), is the sacred tithe, given to the Levites and priests for their service to the temple and the congregation in the Old Testa­ment. This is the tithe we continue to give under the priesthood of Melchizedek in the New Testa­ment. It is the tithe consecrated to God and the furtherance of the gospel and has, therefore, validity for all believers in Christ.

Paul was clear enough .

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel

Now some may say Paul didn't accept support . That's no big deal . He didn't accept support in Corinth because of their carnality . But he accepted support from some other churches . Same goes for pastors today . Most pastors serve voluntarily. They don't receive support . Over 9% of pastors in Deeper life ,Redeem ,CEC, winners are serving voluntarily. They have their own jobs . In fact one of the criterial by which you are sent out is to first have a good job . Except only few who may be required to serve full time and they may have to resign from their job. To get support from church . Church tithe is used to pay workers , church rent , maintainance , equipment ,projects , generator fuel. Chair hire etc and other expenditures. The pastor is not the owner of church money . Every ministry has structure by which money is handled . A pastor in redeem cannot dip his hand into church account . There are approvals from head quarters for expenditure. Not what bloggers online post who don't even go to church

We are not giving tithes as commanded under the law . Our tithing dates to Abraham before the law came . And that it why the other kinds of tithes were not emphasized . So daddy freeze only dwell on the feast party which is not abrahamic . And antitithers are jumping up that they have a hero (who is not even a Christian )
I wonder if the following portion is missing in your bible?
Pay attention to the bolded.

Deut 14:24-27
24 `And when the way is too much for thee, that thou art not able to carry it -- when the place is too far off from thee which Jehovah thy God doth choose to put His name there, when Jehovah thy God doth bless thee; --
25 then thou hast given [it] in money, and hast bound up the money in thy hand, and gone unto the place on which Jehovah thy God doth fix;
26 and thou hast given the money for any thing which thy soul desireth, for oxen, and for sheep, and for wine, and for strong drink, and for any thing which thy soul asketh, and thou hast eaten there before Jehovah thy God, and thou hast rejoiced, thou and thy house.
27 As to the Levite who [is] within thy gates, thou dost not forsake him, for he hath no portion and inheritance with thee.

You want to follow the law? you don't cherry pick.
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by petra1(m): 2:54pm On Nov 27, 2017
Grace001:
, I doubt that the practice was followed by the apostles.

It’s your assumption

Nowhere in The NT do we read about the apostles either preaching tithing, or practicing it.

There are indicationsor parallel principle like 1cor9:14-15 . Even if there is non. Has God mind changed about incest because the apostles didn’t preach it . Can a brother marry his sister now?

Tithing was never practiced by the early church.The great apostle Paul even while spreading the Gospel from country to country actually fended for himself (1 thes 2:9,2 thes 3:7-10)

If you study well , you will hear paul say that he was actually entitled for welfare . Which he did in other places except Corinth

The early Christians freely sold their possessions and laid them at the Apostles feet Acts 2:45, it didn't say 10 %

Nice , but it’s not a new tesstament. Thing many did so under the Old Testament . Offering is offering tithe is tithe , alms giving is almsgivinhg free will giving is free will giving either under the old or new


There is no record in the new testament where any of these great apostles paid tithes. I challenge YOU with any contrary opinion to quote any line of the NEW TESTAMENT TO PROVE THAT THE APOSTLES PAID TITHES. How come the NT didn't talked about it among the important things these great apostles want us to emulate from them as a Christians.

Is incest still a sin ? I challenge you to show me in the epistles

You guys are manipulators.

While you guys are robbers
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by petra1(m): 4:21am On Dec 04, 2017
menxer:

You want to follow the law? you don't cherry pick

You don’t believe in the content of the law ? Don’t cherry pick
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by menxer: 7:27am On Dec 04, 2017
petra1:


You don’t believe in the content of the law ? Don’t cherry pick

lol, is that your attempt at clap back?

Well, the Law doesn't require believing but obedience.
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by petra1(m): 8:30am On Dec 04, 2017
Wrong ! Principles of faith are from genesis to revelation

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Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by Gombs(m): 10:26am On Dec 04, 2017
petra1:

Wrong ! Principles of faith are from genesis to revelation


Gbam
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by MuttleyLaff: 11:13am On Dec 04, 2017
petra1:
It’s your assumption
An assumption pill to bitter for you to swallow

petra1:
There are indications or parallel principle like 1cor9:14-15 . Even if there is non. Has God mind changed about incest because the apostles didn’t preach it. Can a brother marry his sister now?
If Cain could marry one of his sisters, why not can a brother not now, marry his sister.
but of course, gumption will tell you this isn't advisable because of how the human building block has depreciated and can cause medical abnormalities

petra1:
If you study well, you will hear paul say that he was actually entitled for welfare.
Which he did in other places except Corinth
If you, study well, you will find out Paul never said and felt he was entitled to taxed, obligatory or mandatory tithe or one tenth of biblical believers financial income

petra1:
Nice , but it’s not a new testament. Thing many did so under the Old Testament.
Offering is offering, tithe is tithe, alms giving is alms giving, free will giving is free will giving either under the old or new
Burnt offering done by Abel, was done before the law, so why aren't you harping that it is an everlasting principle, like you always say about tithing, and demanding that it has to be continued and done in this modern age?

petra1:
Is incest still a sin ? I challenge you to show me in the epistles
Incest would be missing the mark,
and essentially that is what sin is, isn't it?
I can show you, if you really don't know the scriptures or epistle that talks and tackled a similar incident about incest.

petra1:
While you guys are robbers
Do you know you're placing yourself under a curse, if you demand specified 10% percentage of financial income, taxed, obligatory or mandatory tithes.

Gombs:
Gbam
SMH

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Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by petra1(m): 5:50am On Dec 05, 2017
MuttleyLaff:
An assumption pill to bitter for you to swallow

If Cain could marry one of his sisters, why not can a brother not now, marry his sister.

How far will you go ? So you will legalize INCEST now just because of this tithe issue . You Already insulted Abraham tithe and claim his tithe was nothing spiritual but common carnal tax. Until we reminded you of Jacob . You said he didn't give . How far are going to rubbish the sacred word of God .

but of course, gumption will tell you this isn't advisable because of how the human building block has depreciated and can cause medical abnormalities

I salute

If you, study well, you will find out Paul never said and felt he was entitled to taxed, obligatory or mandatory tithe or one tenth of biblical believers financial income


There was already a pattern . All through ages . And Paul said Christ instructed to apply it for ministers . The manner it was in the sanctuary .
its tithe and offerings

Burnt offering done by Abel, was done before the law, so why aren't you harping that it is an everlasting principle, like you always say about tithing, and demanding that it has to be continued and done in this modern age?

Burnt offering is sin offering. It's a shadow of Christ . God must have instructed him on it.

Incest would be missing the mark,
and essentially that is what sin is, isn't it?

Thanks for the honesty . It is a sin . But it's only in the law you get to know. That should be enough for us to thread this demonizing Gods law with caution in the name of high revelation . We need to know recognize the shadow which had been fulfilled in Christ and the principles which transcends ages . If we can't marry our sisters or a widower marry his daughter . It is enough for us to know that we can't throw away everything mentioned in the law. Paul quoted the law many times to Christians because of the principles he upholds there . Anybody who doesn't want to tithe Is free by his personal choice but should not condemn who does because it is based on understanding and conviction.

Romans 14:5-10 (KJV)
One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's. For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

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Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by petra1(m): 9:53pm On Dec 06, 2017
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Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by rhektor(m): 6:38am On Dec 07, 2017
BluntBoy:
Petra1, why are you avoiding my questions? Wasn't it you who said you tithe the Abraham way?

You tithe the Abraham way (without compulsion) but emphasize the curses of Malachi on those who are not tithing. Please, I need explanations.

Are the priesthood of your pastors the equal of that of Melchizedek?

Please, I need answers.


You're just being unnecessarily silly, Petra1 did not even talked about Malachi why are you adding to his words? Oh that Malachi is giving you so much concern? Then deal with it, Malachi write the revelation he got from God to a nation that is rebellious just like freeze is making some of you to rebel against the kingdom principle petra1 is here to warn you, before you accuse me of being petra1 I má not him I don't even know him but I find his write up sensible. If you have no reasonable thing to write here just park on one side

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Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by Gombs(m): 7:03am On Dec 07, 2017
rhektor:



You're just being unnecessarily silly, Petra1 did not even talked about Malachi why are you adding to his words? Oh that Malachi is giving you so much concern? Then deal with it, Malachi write the revelation he got from God to a nation that is rebellious just like freeze is making some of you to rebel against the kingdom principle petra1 is here to warn you, before you accuse me of being petra1 I má not him I don't even know him but I find his write up sensible. If you have no reasonable thing to write here just park on one side


They will still call you Petra1

Or his staff... Or son... Looooooool grin

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Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by ofai: 7:09am On Dec 07, 2017
I agree 100% with petra1
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by BluntBoy(m): 8:54am On Dec 07, 2017
rhektor:



You're just being unnecessarily silly, Petra1 did not even talked about Malachi why are you adding to his words? Oh that Malachi is giving you so much concern? Then deal with it, Malachi write the revelation he got from God to a nation that is rebellious just like freeze is making some of you to rebel against the kingdom principle petra1 is here to warn you, before you accuse me of being petra1 I má not him I don't even know him but I find his write up sensible. If you have no reasonable thing to write here just park on one side

Are you blind? I said I need answers. If you cannot provide answers, then, why mention the post
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by petra1(m): 3:15pm On Dec 10, 2017
ofai:
I agree 100% with petra1

It's the truth
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by nicemuyoo: 3:50pm On Dec 11, 2017
Abrahams tithe was a custom of the land over practiced back then. If you go on war and you are successful. You give a percentage commonly 10% of your spoil of wars to the king/ priest of the land or area where you live. It is a cultural practise of the land . Pagans do it too and That is a fact. Abraham did not tithe out is abundant profits as he was already blessed before giving a tithe of the spoils of war!
God order by law through Moses that ONLY 1% of the spoils of war should be given to the levites/ priest.
Tithing spoils of war and tithing your profit are two different things.
Abraham never tithe out of is personal profit.
Jesus, James, Paul, Peter never taught tithing or collected tithe. They mat have made reference to it while making or discussing another issue but no teaching on tithing Fact!
The support Paul was all about is helping travelling ministers not resident and stationary ones. Help them via donations for bare necessities not luxury!! And not via tithe. Only bare necessities so they are not impoverish . Paul said he would rather die than demand for provision from the church( bare necessities mind you). We are not like those that pedal the gospel of our lord. Are you a hiring doing it for return or you are a bride that does the work free out of a love for the bridegroom!!
This have been twisted today into tithe and exploitation which our saviour never commanded. Placing heavy burden on people like the Pharisee twisting the word of God saying if you make a vow to give to God you can fulfil that vow first even if it means neglecting your parents. So you nullify the word of God to sooth our own teachings. And Jesus said you do many other things like that! Jesus, Paul, James, Peter taught about given & donation, that has all been ignored by today's church, bringing back what was established in church in 777AD by other of roman emperor, which they have long abandoned in catholic and uk churches due to revolt/ riot by the population. Do you know the history? Do you research.
Lastly tithe as never used fortemple/ church maintenance as it is food and it is an ABOMINATION to use tithe for ANYTHING OTHER THAN FEED THE LEVITES AND LESS PREVILEGED.

petra1:
It's laughable when some who don't study their bibles feel there is a hidden conspiracy about tithing in the church which pastors have been covering up. Daddy freeze claims that the Bible. Command tithes to be uses to drink beer. Firstly that's is insult to God and stupid .

Let me explain the manipulation and error of Daddy freeze here . He told a lie that tithe is to be given to the poor and to eat and drink that is error .

Tithe belong to God right right from the days of father Abraham who’s principle of faith we follow .

Under the law God still commanded isreal to give tithes and offerings. Which is used for the service of the house of God and welfare and support of workers and ministers there .


Leviticus 27:30.
And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto the Lord.

Numbers 18:21-25
21 And, behold, I have given the Levites all the tithes in Israel for an inheritance in return for their service which they serve, the [menial] service of the Tent of Meeting.

After God Instructed them on the tithe to him through the levites , he asked the people to give another 10% to the poor every 3 years and another 10% for a love feast to eat and drink . That doesn’t replace the tithe to God. And that is the error and deception of daddy freeze . He didn’t mentioned the title to God and gave the impression that the other 10% for feast and for the poor were the same. .

As much as we are not tithing based on the law. We tithe based on Abrahamic revelation . However the explanation here is to throw light on the misrepresentation by daddy freeze .


THERE WERE THREE DIFFERENT KINDS OF TITHES

There were three different kinds of tithes in the Bible . Daddy freeze dwell on a minor one to rubbish the major one .

The three different types are as follows:

1. THE LEVITICAL TITHE (sacred to God).

Leviticus 27:30
And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto the Lord

This tithe is used for the work of service in the place of worship and also for the welfare of the workers there.

Numbers 18:21-25
21 And, behold, I have given the Levites all the tithes in Israel for an inheritance in return for their service which they serve, the [menial] service of the Tent of Meeting.


2. THE TITHE OF THE FEAST (Deut. 14:22-27).(daddy freeze beer boozing tithe )
Deuteronomy 14:22-23
Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year. And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always.


3. THE TITHE FOR THE POOR (Deut. 14:28, 29). (Every 3 years)
This is done once in very 3 years . It is shared among the poor . While the main annual tithe still runs .

Deuteronomy 14:28-29
At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates: And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest

The first tithe, the one we trace back to Abra­ham (Gen. 14:18-20), is the sacred tithe, given to the Levites and priests for their service to the temple and the congregation in the Old Testa­ment. This is the tithe we continue to give under the priesthood of Melchizedek in the New Testa­ment. It is the tithe consecrated to God and the furtherance of the gospel and has, therefore, validity for all believers in Christ.

Paul was clear enough .

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel

Now some may say Paul didn't accept support . That's no big deal . He didn't accept support in Corinth because of their carnality . But he accepted support from some other churches . Same goes for pastors today . Most pastors serve voluntarily. They don't receive support . Over 9% of pastors in Deeper life ,Redeem ,CEC, winners are serving voluntarily. They have their own jobs . In fact one of the criterial by which you are sent out is to first have a good job . Except only few who may be required to serve full time and they may have to resign from their job. To get support from church . Church tithe is used to pay workers , church rent , maintainance , equipment ,projects , generator fuel. Chair hire etc and other expenditures. The pastor is not the owner of church money . Every ministry has structure by which money is handled . A pastor in redeem cannot dip his hand into church account . There are approvals from head quarters for expenditure. Not what bloggers online post who don't even go to church

We are not giving tithes as commanded under the law . Our tithing dates to Abraham before the law came . And that it why the other kinds of tithes were not emphasized . So daddy freeze only dwell on the feast party which is not abrahamic . And antitithers are jumping up that they have a hero (who is not even a Christian )
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by nicemuyoo: 4:07pm On Dec 11, 2017
Abrahams tithe was a custom of the land over practiced back then. If you go on war and you are successful. You give a percentage commonly 10% of your spoil of wars to the king/ priest of the land or area where you live. It is a cultural practise of the land . Pagans do it too and That is a fact. Abraham did not tithe out is abundant profits as he was already blessed before giving a tithe of the spoils of war!
God order by law through Moses that ONLY 1% of the spoils of war should be given to the levites/ priest. 
Tithing spoils of war and tithing your profit are two different things. 
Abraham never tithe out of is personal profit. 
Jesus, James, Paul, Peter never taught tithing or collected tithe. They mat have made reference to it while making or discussing another issue but no teaching on tithing Fact!
The support Paul was all about is helping travelling ministers not resident and stationary ones. Help them via donations for bare necessities not luxury!! And not via tithe. Only bare necessities so they are not impoverish . Paul said he would rather die than demand for provision from the church( bare necessities mind you). We are not like those that pedal the gospel of our lord. Are you a hiring doing it for return or you are a bride that does the work free out of a love for the bridegroom!!
This have been twisted today into tithe and exploitation which our saviour never commanded. Placing heavy burden on people like the Pharisee twisting the word of God saying if you make a vow to give to God you can fulfil that vow first even if it means neglecting your parents. So you nullify the word of God to sooth our own teachings. And Jesus said you do many other things like that! Jesus, Paul, James, Peter taught about given & donation, that has all been ignored by today's church, bringing back what was established in church in 777AD by other of roman emperor, which they have long abandoned in catholic and uk churches due to revolt/ riot by the population. Do you know the history? Do you research.
Lastly tithe as never used fortemple/ church maintenance as it is food and it is an ABOMINATION to use tithe for ANYTHING OTHER THAN FEED THE LEVITES AND LESS PREVILEGED.
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by petra1(m): 4:58pm On Dec 11, 2017
If you go on war and you are successful. You give a percentage commonly 10% of your spoil of wars to the king/ priest of the land or area where you liveIt is a cultural practise of the land .

He gave the tithe to God through melkizedek. It was a spiritual act . Not carnal tax.

It was a spiritual act , that is why melchizedek was able to bless him . Abraham was a Prophet . ButMelchizedek was greater than Abraham.

Hebrews 7:6-7 (KJV)
6 But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises. 7 And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by MuttleyLaff: 6:39am On Dec 20, 2017
petra1:
How far will you go?
I earlier replied that common sense will tell you this isn't advisable
so how do you mean "how far will you go"

petra1:
So you will legalize INCEST now just because of this tithe issue.
Please stop this straw man
For your information, the apostles, Paul, to be precise, did preach against incest

petra1:
You Already insulted Abraham tithe and claim his tithe was nothing spiritual but common carnal tax.
It sounds like insult and a huge lie
but it actually is true that the tithe Abraham gave Melchizedek was a customary tax (i.e. tithe of war spoils) that battle victors are obliged to give to a king cum priest that's of good repute
This is a historical fact
I didnt class it as common, you did, not me

petra1:
Until we reminded you of Jacob. You said he didn't give.
How far are going to rubbish the sacred word of God.
Abraham paid tithe to Melchizedek, we know what he gave as tithe, when, where and how.
The Israelites paid tithes to the Levites, we know what they gave as tithes, when, where and how.

When Samuel's mother, Hannah, made a vow, we see in the bible when she fulfilled it
When Jephthah made a vow, we see in the bible when and how he fulfilled it

But when you're asked to kindly show in an acceptable & convincible manner where, when, and how Jacob fulfilled his tithe part vow
and who Jacob handed over the tithe to, we get no reply from you, you just clam up and go into silent mode

You have no biblical verse to support your spurious claim that Jacob paid that
and refuse to talk or reply when you're asked to confirm whether you're saying its at or in Genesis 28:22b that Jacob paid tithe

petra1:
I salute
That's right.
The thought or chance of scoring a genetic disorder, for a start, is a good enough reason to deter or put one off doing it

petra1:
There was already a pattern. All through ages. And Paul said Christ instructed to apply it for ministers . The manner it was in the sanctuary .
its tithe and offerings
6And now, dear brothers and sisters, we give you this command in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Stay away from all believers who live idle lives and don’t follow the tradition they received from us.
7For you know that you ought to imitate us. We were not idle when we were with you.
8We never accepted food from anyone without paying for it.
We worked hard day and night so we would not be a burden to any of you.
9We certainly had the right to ask you to feed us, but we wanted to give you an example to follow.
10Even while we were with you, we gave you this command:
“Those unwilling to work will not get to eat.”
11Yet we hear that some of you are living idle lives, refusing to work and meddling in other people’s business.
12We command such people and urge them in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ to settle down and work to earn their own living
- 2 Thessalonians 3:6-12

I'll show you pattern
Look at the underlined, in 2 Thessalonians 3:6-12 above, for the traditions and example pattern Paul expects be followed

petra1:
Burnt offering is sin offering. It's a shadow of Christ. God must have instructed him on it.
SMH.
Why are you for dear life, clinging and hanging on to offering then?

You choose to forget that I brought up:
"Burnt offering done by Abel, was done before the law, so why aren't you harping that it is an everlasting principle, like you always say about tithing, and demanding that it has to be continued and done in this modern age"

because and after you posted:
"Offering is offering, tithe is tithe, alms giving is alms giving, free will giving is free will giving either under the old or new.."

petra1:
Thanks for the honesty. It is a sin. But it's only in the law you get to know.
That should be enough for us to thread this demonizing Gods law with caution in the name of high revelation.
We need to know recognize the shadow which had been fulfilled in Christ and the principles which transcends ages.
If we can't marry our sisters or a widower marry his daughter.
It is enough for us to know that we can't throw away everything mentioned in the law.
Paul quoted the law many times to Christians because of the principles he upholds there.
There is a superior and better principle that nullifies and renders the value of obligatory mandatory tithes of any form powerless and ineffective

In the bible, just like in the physical, some principles have the power to cancel out the effect of another principle.
This happens when the canceling principle is superior and better than the cancelled out principle

petra1:
Anybody who doesn't want to tithe is free by his personal choice
but should not condemn who does because it is based on understanding and conviction.
If you mean this, then stop raining fire and brimstone from the pulpit, on believers who choose not to give tithe
Stop frightening believers who choose not to give regular specified percentage of their financial income
Stop subjecting believers to tithe harangues because they default in tithe payment or choose not give tithe as a mandatory or obligatory giving
Stop going on at tithe, keeping on at it, keeping after it, like you tirelessly and lately have been doing for the past one or so months

petra1:
Romans 14:5-10 (KJV)
One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike.
Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it.
He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord:
whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
But why dost thou judge thy brother?
or why dost thou set at nought thy brother?
for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
You failed to recognise that the Romans 14:5-12 you quoted above, was drawing attention to the Law of Liberty
(for an example: freedom from the payment of 10% of financial income done under compulsion)

You also failed to see that Romans 14:13-23 that came afterwards it, uses the Law of Love to settle and put to rest any acrimony on both sides of a tithe divide

So Petra1 make up your mind,
not to put any tithe stumbling block or the regular payment of 10% of financial income ecclesiastical tax obstacle, in your brother’s way.
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by plainbibletruth: 8:25am On Dec 20, 2017
Maybe this issue of incest (which was unnecessarily brought into this tithe discussion by Petra1) will be now be clear to him.

I don't think he'll give up though. He will go BACK TO pre-law or the Law to seek for something else to use RATHER THAN concentrate on the precepts given to him for his life under the New Covenant.

A serious and honest student of the Word will be diligent to ensure that he, as much as possible, accurately handles the word of truth. Petra1 appears to be putting himself on the opposite side of that.

He has been pointed to SEVERAL INSTANCES in the NT about giving. Instances that covered decades of the church life. And NOT ONCE was tithing ever mentioned. But he wants to go back to the past to seek justification for tithing.

I'm sure he's one of those who will readily shout 'Where the spirit of the Lord is there is liberty!' Yet when it comes to fund raising for the Church he runs to the opposite end. Ask him about the 'liberty' and he'll run to 'eternal principle'.

Petra1 needs to understand these:
"It was for this freedom that Christ set us free [completely liberating us]; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery [which you once removed]." GALATIANS 5:1 AMP

"For the law of the Spirit of life [which is] in Christ Jesus [the law of our new being] has set you free from the law of sin and of death." ROMANS 8:2 AMP
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by petra1(m): 8:32am On Dec 20, 2017
plainbibletruth:
Maybe this issue of incest (which was unnecessarily brought into this tithe discussion by Petra1) will be now be clear to him.

I don't think he'll give up though. He will go BACK TO pre-law or the Law to seek for something else to use RATHER THAN concentrate on the precepts given to him for his life under the New Covenant

Ephesians 6:2 (KJV Strong's)
2 Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promisewink

If content in the law are as you present it . On what ground will paul be quoting the above . Knowing also that he was quoting it to gentiles
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by plainbibletruth: 9:18am On Dec 20, 2017
petra1:


Ephesians 6:2 (KJV Strong's)
2 Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promisewink

If content in the law are as you present it . On what ground will paul be quoting the above . Knowing also that he was quoting it to gentiles

I have said it before; WHERE ANYTHING IN THE OLD is still required of the Christian, either directly or in a modified form, it will be CLEARLY stated in the NEW.

It is the NEW that interprets the OLD. The NEW replaced the OLD. The NEW SUPERCEDES the OLD.
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by petra1(m): 11:00am On Dec 20, 2017
plainbibletruth:


I have said it before; WHERE ANYTHING IN THE OLD is still required of the Christian, either directly or in a modified form, it will be CLEARLY stated in the NEW.

It is the NEW that interprets the OLD. The NEW replaced the OLD. The NEW SUPERCEDES the OLD.

That means christians can practice bestiality.
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by MuttleyLaff: 12:25pm On Dec 20, 2017
plainbibletruth:
I have said it before; WHERE ANYTHING IN THE OLD is still required of the Christian, either directly or in a modified form, it will be CLEARLY stated in the NEW.

It is the NEW that interprets the OLD. The NEW replaced the OLD. The NEW SUPERCEDES the OLD.

petra1:
That means christians can practice bestiality.
What an abhorrent thing to suggest bestiality or even to think about it

So you've jettisoned incest,
and it's bestiality that's now taken to your fancy

You're behaving like a desperate person who fell into a river but is clutching on whatever straw is in sight, trying to save himself from drowning

Didn't you read plainbibletruth's properly?
Plainbibletruth wrote:
WHERE ANYTHING IN THE OLD is still required of the Christian, either directly or in a modified form, it will be CLEARLY stated in the NEW

Now, Petra1, for you to thoughtlessly say, that means Christians can practice bestiality, please tell us Petra1, was bestiality ever required in the old, in order for it to be clearly stated in the new, for Christians, or anyone else for that matter to practice it?
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by petra1(m): 2:14pm On Dec 20, 2017
MuttleyLaff:


What an abhorrent thing to suggest bestiality or even to think about it

So you've jettisoned incest,
and it's bestiality that's now taken to your fancy
I
I'm still waiting for my answer on the two . There are a whole lot of them coming . I have asked can a brother marry his younger sister ? ,can a father marry his daughter now since we are under grace .

You're behaving like a desperate person who fell into a river but is clutching on whatever straw is in sight, trying to save himself from drowning

Wrong ! I'm trying to bring your insincerity out to yourself . You almost rewrote the Bible before almost justifying incest .until your friends gave you some courage . So your stand is not about truth but . Staying the course of your political campaign .

Didn't you read plainbibletruth's properly?
Plainbibletruth wrote:
WHERE ANYTHING IN THE OLD is still required of the Christian, either directly or in a modified form, it will be CLEARLY stated in the NEW

You're yet to show us how the cases I brought out are clearly stated in the new .


Now, Petra1, for you to thoughtlessly say, that means Christians can practice bestiality, please tell us Petra1, was bestiality ever required in the old, in order for it to be clearly stated in the new, for Christians, or anyone else for that matter to practice it?

The law deals with dos and donts. I'm bringing out areas of the law that the New Testament is silent about yet applicable to Christians despite being in the law.

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Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by petra1(m): 2:27pm On Dec 20, 2017
plainbibletruth:


I have said it before; WHERE ANYTHING IN THE OLD is still required of the Christian, either directly or in a modified form, it will be CLEARLY stated in the NEW.

It is the NEW that interprets the OLD. The NEW replaced the OLD. The NEW SUPERCEDES the OLD.

On what ground? . Why would Paul quote the law which was condemned ? Who legalized those parts of the condemned law ? What gave Paul such right . Isn't that a contradiction ?
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by PaChukwudi44(m): 2:29pm On Dec 20, 2017
There was already a pattern . All through ages . And Paul said Christ instructed to apply it for ministers . The manner it was in the sanctuary .
its tithe and offerings

this is a very fat lie.Paul never even mentioned the word Tithe in all his epistles.You must be a very shameless liar.
Re: The Error Of Daddy Freeze . by plainbibletruth: 8:40pm On Dec 20, 2017
petra1:


On what ground? . Why would Paul quote the law which was condemned ? Who legalized those parts of the condemned law ? What gave Paul such right . Isn't that a contradiction ?
Petra1, calm down and make yourself clearer.
On what ground is what?
Contradiction where?
Pick my points one by one and respond.

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