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veeqocean:
If GOD was born December 25,Who was God before Dec 25?

TVTKOKO:
Now do you have to insult I won't reply your insult.
Now to the topic
I know this debate coming up every single year is because, This is the most widely celebrated and popular celebration of the year all over the world and Some people are getting angry because of this fact.
Now tell me, if December 25th was a day of pagan god and the early Christians used this day in exchange to celebrate Jesus in other for the pagan worship to end,, what wrong is there in it?? FYI, we celebrate Christ and not some pagan god..so whatever else is celebrated that day is a mere coincidence.
You say December 25th is the day many people commit sin Tell me.. Are you God's personal Secretary What happened to the remaining days of the year



No matter how much you try to paint this black, it would never change!
And like someone rightly said, the days of the week are pagan rooted.., for each day is dedicated to a god.

Merry Christmas

Godswillnwaoma:
why should a sane Christian celebrate what does not written or commanded in the holy Bible.
Christmas celebration has nothing to do with Christ Jesus, it's a pegan celebration so true Christian should not celebrate it.




Jehovah witnesses​ around the world does not celebrate Christmas.

jozz:
Arguments for and against the Christmas celebration have been on for decades. The main argument against Christmas has been that nowhere in the bible is Christmas mentioned and that Jesus was not born on Dec 25.

Proponents of the Christmas celebration on the other hand have argued that while truly there is no evidence of Jesus being born on Dec 25, nevertheless the celebration has a good motive-to honour Jesus.


As you read this article, I want you to consider a more compelling reason to avoid the Christmas celebration-its pagan origin.

Have you ever paused to give it a thought: if Christmas was not instituted by Jesus, was unknown among his disciples and the early Christians, where then did the celebration come from?

It is interesting to note that it was not until more than 300 years after Jesus birth that Christendom officially began to observe Christmas on Dec 25.

The roots of Christmas can be traced to pagan Rome with its mixture of festivals for honouring the agriculture god Saturn and the sun god Sol Invictus or mithra. The catholic church wanting to strengthen its position, converted the pagan celebration to a christian one.

Anthropologists Christian Ratsch and Claudia Muller-Ebeling coauthors of the book pagan Christmas write :Like many pre-christian customs and beliefs, the old feast commemorating the yearly return of the sun was dedicated to the birth of christ.

So if humans can detect the pagan connection of Christmas, the ultimate and most important question we need to ask is:

How does God (whose approval we are all striving for) feel about a celebration of pagan origin now dedicated to his son? 2 For 6:14-17 says :What fellowship do righteousness and lawlessness have or what sharing does light have with darkness? Quit touching the unclean thing and I will take you in.

Therefore in conclusion the issue of Christmas goes beyond issue of personal choice. The persons we purport to be honouring via Christmas celebration (God and Jesus) are telling us clearly that they are not interested in the celebration, in fact it is offensive to them. Are we more powerful or all knowing than them?
I wish this write up can be moved to front page for the benefit of all)

Statsocial:
There is no need for any needles argument here. The Church has complete dominance over the Earth. Jesus took the authority away from the Devil and gave it to the Church and essentially(paraphrase) said "...whatever you declare on Earth is accepted by Heaven..."

Very same reason why pagan holiday was made a Christian holiday is the very same reasons Early Christians sought to use conquered shrines as Churches-it is a statement if dominance. What more glory is knowing that a pagan people lost in darkness saw the light of God and the very same day they used in serving their god was now dedicated to the one true God.

As long as the Church declares the 25th as Celebration of Christ birthday so it stands not even Angels can contradict the Authority of the Church.


Then people need to also understand that it is not all controversies the bible can solve. There were many Christians who never knew what the bible was. They had died long before it was ever compiled or even completely written. Men like Stephen, Philip could never have seen the bible yet they would put the faith of many modern Christians to dust. Infact the only scripture that existed during the days of the apostles was the Old Testament and they built the message of the new from it.

Generations of Christians had passed before the Church started collecting books of the Apostles and then segregated it under the inspiration of the holy spirit to have what we have now. Why am i saying this? when Christ left the Earth he did not leave us a bible he left us leaders. And the leaders are the ones in Charge and just like the early church which sought direction from her leaders through letters and correspondences even though they had the same access to the same Holy Spirit and Old Testament the Apostles had, the modern church should also humble herself and seek direction from church leaders on controversial issue like tithing, christmas, sunday worship, easter etc- However the position of modern church leaders can't contradict the New Testament ether.

But the issues of Tithing, Celebrations where not properly trashed out in NT. Hence, we can only seek the leadership of pastors on these issues. Anything apart from this is complete chaos for Christiandom. If there is unity in our believe and decision that the birthday of Christ is to be celebrated on 25th then i assure you christ would not contradict it. As for Church leaders who have said their members shouldn't celebrate Christmas. Pls if you are a member disregard my earlier argument and do it as your church directs. If you are not happy with how your church is leading you then leave and go to a place you are at peace with but don't stay in a particular church and rebel.
Merry Christmas to the rest of us!

Godswillnwaoma:
why should a sane Christian celebrate what does not written or commanded in the holy Bible.
Christmas celebration has nothing to do with Christ Jesus, it's a pegan celebration so true Christian should not celebrate it.




Jehovah witnesses​ around the world does not celebrate Christmas.

Esepayan:
typical in ur comment earlier on u made it seem like christmas has always been celebrated and i just showed u a fact .....and what do u do ..... typical black man you digress .........u are a very slow indiviual who knows next to nothing.......swerve

Sapiosexuality:
Do Christians worship the Pagan God on Christmas? It's true, they were not commanded to. Do you know that the Celebration of Birthdays have a pagan origin according to the Bible? But Christians celebrate it. Why do they celebrate it? To please the pagan God they don't worship or what?

princetom1:
What is wrong, is wrong, irrespective of if people have adopted it or not. Birthday, Christmas, aren't found in the Bible bt u know... Our people like to pick the rules they find easy to follow and close eyes to d odas like it doesn't exist.

Ndubuisi1075:
Christmas is a heathen festival from Rome.

jozz:
Arguments for and against the Christmas celebration have been on for decades. The main argument against Christmas has been that nowhere in the bible is Christmas mentioned and that Jesus was not born on Dec 25.

Proponents of the Christmas celebration on the other hand have argued that while truly there is no evidence of Jesus being born on Dec 25, nevertheless the celebration has a good motive-to honour Jesus.


As you read this article, I want you to consider a more compelling reason to avoid the Christmas celebration-its pagan origin.

Have you ever paused to give it a thought: if Christmas was not instituted by Jesus, was unknown among his disciples and the early Christians, where then did the celebration come from?

It is interesting to note that it was not until more than 300 years after Jesus birth that Christendom officially began to observe Christmas on Dec 25.

The roots of Christmas can be traced to pagan Rome with its mixture of festivals for honouring the agriculture god Saturn and the sun god Sol Invictus or mithra. The catholic church wanting to strengthen its position, converted the pagan celebration to a christian one.

Anthropologists Christian Ratsch and Claudia Muller-Ebeling coauthors of the book pagan Christmas write :Like many pre-christian customs and beliefs, the old feast commemorating the yearly return of the sun was dedicated to the birth of christ.

So if humans can detect the pagan connection of Christmas, the ultimate and most important question we need to ask is:

How does God (whose approval we are all striving for) feel about a celebration of pagan origin now dedicated to his son? 2 For 6:14-17 says :What fellowship do righteousness and lawlessness have or what sharing does light have with darkness? Quit touching the unclean thing and I will take you in.

Therefore in conclusion the issue of Christmas goes beyond issue of personal choice. The persons we purport to be honouring via Christmas celebration (God and Jesus) are telling us clearly that they are not interested in the celebration, in fact it is offensive to them. Are we more powerful or all knowing than them?
I wish this write up can be moved to front page for the benefit of all)

Godswillnwaoma:
why should a sane Christian celebrate what does not written or commanded in the holy Bible.
Christmas celebration has nothing to do with Christ Jesus, it's a pegan celebration so true Christian should not celebrate it.




Jehovah witnesses​ around the world does not celebrate Christmas.

Finstar:
Whether Christmas is in the Bible or not, or whether we're instructed to celebrate it or not.. I don't care.. As long as it's a season of good celebration, I've got to roll with the dice.

dhardline:
Luke chapter 2:10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.

11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

12 And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger.

13 And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying,

14 Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.
Even the angels praised God when Christ was born for God came to earth to dwell with men. This event is second only to Christ's death and resurrection. In all the motive behind it matters alot.

Colossians 2: 16
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an festival, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

dhardline:
Luke chapter 2:10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.

11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

12 And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger.

13 And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying,

14 Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.
Even the angels praised God when Christ was born for God came to earth to dwell with men. This event is second only to Christ's death and resurrection. In all the motive behind it matters alot.

Colossians 2: 16
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an festival, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Jephz:
boss...why did Jesus Christ himself did not celebrate his birthday?? ... why did Jesus not instruct us to celebrate his birthday?? ... BTW was Jesus even born in December? not to talk of 25? beside d history of Christmas self shows clearly that Christmas is for pagan not Christians.... and many people are aware but they just want to celebrate... but remember u cannot mix what is unholy with pure worship... if you're eating Eba and soup ....and d Eba fall into a gutter ...bcus d soup is very sweet will u still pick d Eba and eat ? or make another one?.. or have u ever seen family and friend celebrating a birthday of someone who's dead?? I have never seen ...they only celebrate his death anniversary.... (remembrance!!!!

dhardline:
In Christianity our conscience plays a very big role. What might be sinful to one might not be to another. So the truth here is if your conscience does not accept this then just leave it to those that want to celebrate it and another thing is that There are more pressing issues that we should focus our mind on as Christians (our sinful nature as man) the fight against this nature is what makes us soldiers as Christians. Every single one of Our thoughts,words and action need to be put into subjection.put ur mind to this first and see the outcome... This definitely will lead you to more truths through the guidance of the Holy Spirit

saintmark88:
That is because JWs are not christains, they do not believe in Jesus christ, so y will they celebrate christmas

JMAN05:
Can you pls show where JWs say that they don't believe in Jesus?

saintmark88:
That is because JWs are not christains, they do not believe in Jesus christ, so y will they celebrate christmas

saintmark88:
A sect that doesn't believe in d divinity of Jesus Christ cannot say that believe in Jesus

Majesticniyi:
You are a very big idiot who has no fundamental knowledge of what he comments on....even the most stupid atheist won't ask such a silly question!

Statsocial:
There is no need for any needles argument here. The Church has complete dominance over the Earth. Jesus took the authority away from the Devil and gave it to the Church and essentially(paraphrase) said "...whatever you declare on Earth is accepted by Heaven..."

Very same reason why pagan holiday was made a Christian holiday is the very same reasons Early Christians sought to use conquered shrines as Churches-it is a statement if dominance. What more glory is knowing that a pagan people lost in darkness saw the light of God and the very same day they used in serving their god was now dedicated to the one true God.

As long as the Church declares the 25th as Celebration of Christ birthday so it stands not even Angels can contradict the Authority of the Church.


Then people need to also understand that it is not all controversies the bible can solve. There were many Christians who never knew what the bible was. They had died long before it was ever compiled or even completely written. Men like Stephen, Philip could never have seen the bible yet they would put the faith of many modern Christians to dust. Infact the only scripture that existed during the days of the apostles was the Old Testament and they built the message of the new from it.

Generations of Christians had passed before the Church started collecting books of the Apostles and then segregated it under the inspiration of the holy spirit to have what we have now. Why am i saying this? when Christ left the Earth he did not leave us a bible he left us leaders. And the leaders are the ones in Charge and just like the early church which sought direction from her leaders through letters and correspondences even though they had the same access to the same Holy Spirit and Old Testament the Apostles had, the modern church should also humble herself and seek direction from church leaders on controversial issue like tithing, christmas, sunday worship, easter etc- However the position of modern church leaders can't contradict the New Testament ether.

But the issues of Tithing, Celebrations where not properly trashed out in NT. Hence, we can only seek the leadership of pastors on these issues. Anything apart from this is complete chaos for Christiandom. If there is unity in our believe and decision that the birthday of Christ is to be celebrated on 25th then i assure you christ would not contradict it. As for Church leaders who have said their members shouldn't celebrate Christmas. Pls if you are a member disregard my earlier argument and do it as your church directs. If you are not happy with how your church is leading you then leave and go to a place you are at peace with but don't stay in a particular church and rebel.
Merry Christmas to the rest of us!