RedArrow:
Why do you want to know the exact day Christ was given birth to?

If we adopt a day generally acceptable to majority of Christians on Earth to celebrate him, how does that translate to paganism?

If you chose any other to celebrate him, many/few would still have reservations about it.

Christ was given birth to more than 2000 years ago and you are so particular about the exact day and month, do you even know the exact date your ground father was given birth to not to talk of your great ground father and beyond.

Christ is the Reason for the Season, if he hasn't asked us to celebrate it it has he told us not to?

momonny:
you quote bible verse that said you should not celebrate the birth of christ

bobolizim:
moslems too should keep deceiving themselves. We know God uses people to propagate the message... The course for which many Christians died for ... The message of the gospel of Christ. That it had bane of political doing by the white doesnt change the potency of the gospel of Christ that has power to save.

This is not hear say, I have witnessed the power of God. Come , I will tell you history of your life.

saintmark88:



U r just going round circles, u asked for scripture, i have shown u. Now r asking which is more important. I have shown u that even heaven rejoice and celebrated the birth of Christ singing praises u to God.

If heaven should rejoice, how much more the earth......now it is which is more important??.... Oga both are important, nd xhristains all over the world celebrate the death of Christ on easter sunday and the Catholic chur h performs the breaking of bread every Sunday. So I dnt know what u talking bout

iamnlia:
I asked my mama when I was small why Jesus Birthday was slated on December 25, and said it was used to defeat pagan gods and show the power of god on that day.

I'm shaking my head rn

tolguy:
she is a liar

msylva2147:
and how does that concern you? if you are pain you can go and hug transformer close to you.

Raymondfayowole:


lol
u did nt show me in the scripture where Christians were commanded to celebrate his birth, u did not show the date in the bible, if u cant find any celebration of Christmas in the bible and u agree with it was originated from a pagan history and bringing it to Christianity is a sin. Read Deut 12:29-32.
Its was normal for the angels to celebrate the birth at first, where in the bible did the angels celebrate Christ birth every year.

Dont make conclusions that christains all over the world celebrate easter.. Easter is not in the bible as such we are to run away from it. The only accepted feast we are commanded to observe in remembrance of Chris death is the Lord's supper any other thing is a sin.

saintmark88:



Christmas wasn't originated from pagan history, Christmas was used to overshadow, to defeat a pagan festival, it was a brilliant idea, because it made more pple know Christ and accept him more. No one knows the date Christ was born, but it is in d bible that "what r u bind on earth is bound in heaven. Atleast we all know that. Now I believe n scripture and I believe those words. Now church leaders came togethee and accepted 25th December as a day to celebrate Gods greatest gift to mankind. Now based on my faith and believe in d bible, I know that as far as we have collectively agreed to that date on earth, it is agreed in heaven.

Now u said I didn't show u were he commanded us to celebrate his birth,..Luke 2 again 10-14.It says the birth of Jesus brings great joy to the people.....What is great Joy synonymous with.....is it sorrow,bad mood??. So much so that even kings came bringing gifts to Jesus, isn't that a celebration??, Angels rejoiced in heaven singing praises to God, isnt that celebration??

Were in the bible did they tell u to use a phone or to go to sch??....is it n d bible??

Raheemzee:
i just hugged one...guess what! No current!

Raheemzee:
i just hugged one...guess what! No current!

plessis:
Christians should continue deceiving themselves.


You're telling me that, after the white man raped our ancestors and took over 15 million Africans across the Atlantic for slavery, they repented and gave you a book that can give you eternal life when he wouldn't even freely give you visa to his country?....


Wake up black man...

Raymondfayowole:


From History.com
Although some evidence suggests that his birth may have occurred in the spring (why would shepherds be herding in the middle of winter?), Pope Julius I chose December 25. It is commonly believed that the church chose this date in an effort to adopt and absorb the traditions of the pagan Saturnalia festival.
So for you, in order to win soul for Christ a pope just choosing a date to celebrate the birth of Christ in which the pagans also celebrated the sun god does not hav its root from pagan. How will you read this and say Christmas was not originated from pagan history, is this the form of envagelism Christ preached? I see what you are driving at because hes a pope and you are a cathlolic makes it right. SMH...

I did not say the birth of Christ was never a thing of joy, but when u choose a date and make it a law that Christians are to celebrate his death on a particular date is a sin and that is what am against. I said the bible is silent on how and when we should celebrate his birth, anything the bible is silent on is not meant for us. Dont worship the way it pleases you to worship him.

On the issue of binding and loosing, dont bring out a particular verse in the bible in order to justify your argument...if u clearly understand the chapter in which Christ told Peter at first afterwards his disciples Matt 18:18. included a power of declaring the laws of the gospel and the terms of salvation, as well as all those acts of discipline which Peter and his brethren performed as apostles, then read Matthew 16:19 .
These words were spoken to the apostles. Jesus had before addressed the same words to Peter,
He employs them here to signify that they all had the same power; that in ordering the affairs of the church he did not intend to give Peter any supremacy or any exclusive right to regulate it. The meaning of this verse is, whatever you shall do in the discipline of the church shall be approved by God or bound in heaven.

Dont misinterpret the bible by saying God will approve whatever law your pope has established will b accepted by God.

Your last question is a funny one, phones, schs etc are all earthly materials just to make life easy for us.. deres no phd holder in heaven, i decided to go to sch in order to acquire knowledge and make a living is different from. me going contrary to the will of God.

saintmark88:



No it is not funny, u said what ever the bible is silent on is sin, what we do on earth counts, so dnt say what we do on earth to man life easy doesn't matter. U said what ever the bible Is silent on is sin...so did d bible speak on going to sch, using fines, buyinh private jets, using televisions??

I see u have a problem with the catholic church, the pope. Like I said wht ever is agreed on earth is agreed in heaven. I believe it,if u hve a problem with tht ...well u r not God to day wht is sin n wht is not

Raymondfayowole:


I agree i don't know what am saying,
First, you said the Jewish day starts at sunset which i agree with you but did u know that the Sabbath ended at sunset, the first day of the week would begin at sunset, read John 20:19;26, Matt 28:1. countries in the world dont share same time zone, when is your own fist day of the week, is it Saturday evening, our time here is that 12:00 am starts a new day. You wrote that the breaking of bread started almost at the first day of the week... but it is clear in the bible that "upon the first day f the week".

Secondly, how will you say coming together to break bread is not a church service read 1cor 10:16, Acts 2:46-47. To break bread simply means to celebrate the Lords supper every fist day of the week.

The first day of the week is also the Lord's day in which the disciples gather to break bread, give unto the Lord. Acts 2:42, 1cor 16:2.

babablogger:


http://www.babasalami.com/2017/12/christmas-blasphemous-and-pegan-festival.html?m=1

RedArrow:
Why do you want to know the exact day Christ was given birth to?

If we adopt a day generally acceptable to majority of Christians on Earth to celebrate him, how does that translate to paganism?

If you chose any other to celebrate him, many/few would still have reservations about it.

Christ was given birth to more than 2000 years ago and you are so particular about the exact day and month, do you even know the exact date your ground father was given birth to not to talk of your great ground father and beyond.

Christ is the Reason for the Season, if he hasn't asked us to celebrate it it has he told us not to?

otr1:

I don't have time for back and forth argument.
It should be clear to you right now that the breaking of bread in question either took place late on sabbath day or very early on the first day, either way, it's in the evening and don't tell me they held church services in the evening.
It's a common practice for early believers to do everything in common including breaking of bread. The acts 2:46 makes it clear that they break bread from house to house. Does breaking bread from one house to another have anything to do with church service? The verse also said that they usually go to the temple daily.
And yes, breaking of bread means having meals together. For God's sake, even the "last supper" where Jesus brokes
bread with his disciples was a dinner with his disciples. The major significance is that it was his last with them...and it didn't take place on the first day. It was the night before the passover which should be about a thursday night. So what's your point of tagging the breaking of bread with the first day if the example we are following didn't take place on a sunday.
No brother, sunday was not and can never be the first day. Jesus is the Lord of the sabbath and so, sabbath is the Lord's Day and by no means is it the first day.

Raymondfayowole:


u are just confusing yourself cause u are not sure when the breaking of bread took place. let me bring the bible to u for better understanding. The bible said upon the first day of week, not evening of of Sabbath .

Acts 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

For Christ sake what is wrong in having a church service at evening. The important tin is dat the service holds on the first day of the week. The latter part of that verse said he continued his speech until midnight.

The physical structure of a church is not the church nd can never be the church, the members are the church.

Matthew 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

Acts 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

1 Corinthians 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.
Mark 16:2, John 20:19

if after u read all these bible passages nd u tell me tgat the Lords day is not on the first day of the week, then my brother mayb we try anoda language in interpreting the bible.

Raymondfayowole:

Acts 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

otr1:

Listen to yourself. The verse you just quoted says upon the first day of the week...and then Paul continued his speech until midnight.
Does that sound like a morning to you? Let me bring english closer to you: what does it mean to say for example "the end time is upon us?" Does it mean it's the end already? Isn't it obvious from the verse you quoted that Paul continued his speech until midnight? From when? When it was upon the first day.

otr1:

The I Cor. 16:2 was about Paul telling believers in Corinth to gather whatever they have to assist believers back in Jerusalem on the first day of the week.
If you study the background to that verse, you'll see that believers in Jerusalem were having hard times because of persecution. Paul was telling them to lay in store what they have for their brethren in Jerusalem before he comes so that they won't have to gather again. It was a sabbath. And if they don't work on sabbath, when would be the next most appropriate day to gather what they have if not on the first day?
Breaking of bread simply means, having meals. Read Acts 2:46. It encourages believers to break bread together from one house to another
. It's a church service right? You still ignore the fact that the breaking of bread of Jesus with his disciples was not on the first day?

I'm a Berean, and I don't accept anything unless proven by the scripture.
You still haven't proven to me that the first day is the Lord's Day. Rather, it's a proven fact that sabbath is the Lord's Day and it's not first day of the week.

otr1:
It was after sabbath and Paul was departing the next morning to Jerusalem for penticost (see verse 16). What took place here was Paul meeting the believers there before departing. It was his last time with them. Did Paul preached? Yes, they do everyday sameway they break bread together daily from house to house (acts 2:46)
In the verse which mentioned Paul asking believers in corinth to lay in store what they have upon the first day of the week. He didn't instruct anyone to meet anywhere, he only asked them to gather what they have to support their needy brethren back in Jerusalem. Again, not a church service.
But if you look up Acts 18:4 the end, you'll see a mention of Paul reasoning in the temple every sabbath for 6months. That's 72 Sabbaths. Ponder on that!

Raymondfayowole:

Obviously you don't know that the Jewish day starts at nightfall, and continues throughout the night and following day, until the next night.

Better Explanation of 1cor 16:1-2
That there is here clear proof that the first day of the week was observed by the church at Corinth as holy time.

There can have been no reason why this day should have been designated except that it was a day set apart to religion, and therefore deemed a proper day for the exercise of benevolence toward others.

(2) this order extended also to the churches in Galatia, proving also that the first day of the week was observed by them, and was regarded as a day proper for the exercise of charity toward the poor and the afflicted. And if the first day of the week was observed, by apostolic authority, in those churches, it is morally certain that it was observed by others. This consideration, therefore, demonstrates that it was the custom to observe this day, and that it was observed by the authority of the early founders of Christianity.

If u say breaking of bread has nothing to do with church service:
1 Corinthians 10:16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?
Relate dat verse with matt 26:26, and john 6:47-58

Now please read
Acts 2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, 2:47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.
D latter part of that verse said the "Lord added to the church".

Please try and meditate and research better on these things.

otr1:

May be you forgot I was the one that told you days start at sunset for jews. Go figure.
And this brings us to the fact that they don't hold service in the night. I've already told you the situation surrounding that particularly meeting, but somehow, you ignored.
Sabbath has just passed and Paul, travelling the following morning (being sunday) had to meet other believers before his departure in the next morning. You certainly don't know these don't even go on a long journey on a special day like the sabbath. So if sunday means anything to Paul like you want us to believe, he won't journey on a first day.

otr1:

Nothing suggests that first day of the week is of any significance.
Read this; Acts 13:42 "And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath"
Now if the first day meant anything to Paul, he could have said that "don't worry, tomorrow is our "holy time" , I'll preach these topic again. Instead, it had to wait till the next SABBATH.
Paul was still there the next sabbath (verse 44). This was the Church in Antioch.
Concerning the Church at Corinth, read, Acts 18:4 "And he reasoned in the synagogue EVERY SABBATH, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks". So for how long did
he reason with the Corinthians in the synagogue EVERY SABBATH? Verse 11 "And he continued there a YEAR AND SIX MONTHS, teaching the word of God among them".
That's 18 Months between verse 4

otr1:

May be you missed the part where I said believers at Jerusalem need help and they had to solicit support from believers in other places? Please just read down from verse 3-5. If he will be passing through
their city on his way on a monday and he wants them to get something ready for him so that they won't have to be gathering for the collection(verse 2b), when will it be the best time for this people to gather what he asked them to gather if not on sunday? He's trying to save his time. He made it clear that he wants the collection before he comes and this made it clear that the collection could still have been on another day but the first day. This is common sense.
There is no mention of him telling the galatians to do the same thing on the first day, but we know he asked them to do it.

otr1:

No Apostle observed or recognised the first day of the week for anything. They eat together, preached just like any other day of the week.

You don't get it, the Lord's Supper was essentially not a church service thing. Were you not the one that quoted a verse that admonished believers to reason together in the temple daily, breaking bread from house to house? You want to tell me breaking bread from house to house is church service? Even the Lord's Supper was not a church service. It was the last dinner Jesus had with his followers and it didn't take place on the first day. You missed this part too?
They certainly held communion any day of the week.
See for yourself: "continue daily" (everyday, no mention first day) in one accord in the temple". Now he continued by saying "breaking bread from house to house (not in the temple where services normally hold), did eat their meat ( he is referring to food here).
Here is Paul telling believers to break bread together daily and you think this is reserved for sunday and it takes place at church services. I still don't know why, for some strange reasons, you look at this verse and still think it supports your sunday importance.

No, you're the one who needs the meditation and research.

Raymondfayowole:


My bro stop arguing like you don't read what you are typing, u just agreed a new day starts at sunset, what is wrong in having a church at night, the time of the service does not matter, the day at which the service holds is the most important thing. For Christ sake i gave u other versions of the bible for better understanding, u choose to ignore that.
Brother from all these uve written i see where the problem is. To avoid unnessary argument and understand the message m tryin to pass across to u please read dis carefully wit understanding.

Christians are under a different law from the law that Israel was under. Israel was under the Law of Moses given by God to Israel at Mt. Sinai (Exodus, chapters 19-31). This law continued in force until Jesus Christ
died on the cross ( Colossians 2:14 ). Jesus was an Israelite. The Law of Moses was in effect during His lifetime. Therefore, He kept the Law of Moses in order to be faithful to God. This explains why Jesus worshipped in the synagogue on the sabbath.

The Law of Moses taught: "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work; but the seventh day is a sabbath unto Jehovah thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy man-servant, nor thy maid-servant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates" (Exodus 20:8-10 ). "And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and he entered, as his custom was, into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up to read" (Luke 4:16 ).
While Jesus lived on earth, He kept the Law of Moses and taught others to do so. In the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus said: "Think not that I came to destroy the law or the prophets: I came not to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass away from the law, till all things be accomplished." (Matthew 5:17-18 ). Please notice that Jesus said nothing would pass from the Law "till all things be accomplished."
Jesus fulfilled all that was written in the Old Testament—the Law, the Psalms, and the Prophets.
"And he said unto them, These are my words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must needs be fulfilled, which are written in the law of Moses, and the prophets, and the psalms, concerning me" ( Luke 24:44 ).

"What then is the law? It was added because of transgressions , till the seed should come to whom the promise hath been made; and it was ordained through angels by the hand of a mediator" (Galatians 3:19 ). The Law was to be in effect "till the Seed should come." The promised Seed was Jesus Christ ( Genesis 3:15 ; 12:1-3 ; Galatians 3:16 ).

Please notice again, "So that the law is become our tutor to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith is come, we are no longer under a tutor." ( Galatians 3:24-25 ). If we are no longer under the Law of Moses, then obviously the Sabbath law is not binding upon us today.
When did the Law of Moses as a law binding upon God’s people end? The answer is, it ended when Jesus died on the cross thus fulfilling it. Please notice: "But now in Christ Jesus ye that once were far off are made nigh in the blood of Christ. For he is our peace, who made both one, and brake down the middle wall of partition, having abolished in the flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; that he might create in himself of the two one new man, so making peace" (Ephesians 2:13-15 ). Jesus abolished the law of commandments (the Law of Moses which included the command to keep the sabbath, Exodus 20:8 ). He abolished it "in the flesh;" that is by His death on the cross (Colossians 2:14-17 ).

The new law , the Law of Christ, came into effect on Pentecost Day ( Acts 2 ). On that day, the church of Christ was established ( Acts 2:36-47 ). From that time, we find Christians meeting to worship upon the first day of the week which is Sunday.


What you are not understanding here is the concept of the collection of the saints(giving). Please read carefully.
First, Read from verse 1 of 1Cor 16 and tell me Paul did not ask the Galatians church to give on the first day of the week.

Secondly, Paul was collecting money from Gentile churches to help the poor in Jerusalem (Romans 15:25-27 ; 2 Corinthians, chapters 8 and 9; Galatians 6:6-10 ). God used this occasion to set forth His pattern of church finance. It was to be done upon the first day of the week for this is the time the church assembles to
worship (Acts 20:7 ; Revelation 1:10 ). It involves every member of the church. None is left out. It tells us how much we are to give. It is not a tithe as was the practice under the Law of Moses , for we are not under that law today ( Colossians 2:14 ; Hebrews 8:6-13 ). The more we have, the more we are required to give. It tells us the reason for giving. Funds will be available when needed.

God has given a plan by which His church can finance the work He has given us to do. God’s plan is recorded in I Corinthians 16:1 , 2 : "Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I gave order to the churches of Galatia, so also do ye. Upon the first day of the week let each one of you lay by him in store, as he may prosper, that no collections be made when I come." Please notice the parts of God’s perfect plan:
1. What? "The collection for the saints"
2. When? "Upon the first day of the week” "
3. Who? "Each one of you."
4. Do what? "Lay by him in store"
5. How much? "As he may prosper"
6. Why? "That no collections be made when I come."


Here, i see u dont understand the concept of the Lord's supper and relating it to the first day of the week. please read with understanding, the work of envagelism was been done here, and i told u before its not compulsory the church service holds in the church, the members are the church and not the building. please read Romans 16:5 ,
1Corinthians 16:19 , Colossians 4:14 , where the same formula is used, seem to show that that is not the meaning here. They met in the Temple, they met also in what, in the modern sense of the word, would be the “church” of the new society, for the act of worship, above all, for the highest act of worship and of fellowship, for which the Temple was, of course, unsuitable.

Am happy at least u agree that meat in that context means food, cos tge words imply that as yet the solemn breaking of bread was closely connected with their daily life.

Now relating the Lord's supper to the first day of the week, please read carefully.
The accounts of the Lord’s supper are found in
Matthew 26:26-29 , Mark 14:22-25 , Luke 22:19-20 , Acts 2:42 ; 20:7 , and 1 Corinthians 10:14-22 ; 11:20-34 .
Some call the Lord’s supper “the Mass.” Others refer to it as “the Eucharist.” But what does the Bible call it? Often it is simply referred to as
"the breaking of bread" ( Acts 2:42 : 20:7). It is also called "communion" for it is a sharing in the body and blood of Jesus Christ (1 Corinthians 10:16 ). It is called
"the table of the Lord" (1 Corinthians 10:21 ). It is also called "the Lord’s supper" because the Lord is the One who gave it (1 Corinthians 11:20 ).

When should it be eaten and how often?
The only day mentioned in the Word of God for eating the Lord’s supper is the first day of the week ( Acts 20:7 ). The first day of the week is Sunday, the day Jesus Christ arose from the dead (Luke 24:1 ). It is the day the church began for Pentecost came on the first day of the week ( Leviticus 23:1-17 ; Acts 2 ). It is the day Christians met to worship ( Acts 20:7 ; 1 Corinthians 16:2 ; Revelation 1:10 ).

Infinityyyyy:


. You are celebrating an imaginary bastard. There was no Jesus that is why he has no date of birth. Emperor Constantine invented Jesus Christ at the council of Nicaea in 325 CE (over three hundred years after the imaginary birth and death of Jesus). The story of Jesus was distorted from the myths of African Horus, Isis and Osiris. if our slave masters were not Christians, would you be a christian?