sparko1:


I think you mean WHY DID HE GIVE OPTIONS?

1. And the answer is because we were created like him, not like angels, we were created and given the opportunity to be gods. 2. Like I said, look at the parent-child relationship, the child has all the gene and attributes of the parent.

@1.angels didn't have choices?

@2 My mum and dad are less than 6ft tall while I'm 6ft4

BTW you haven't answered my question, how does an omniscient, omnipotent creator give options?

I didn't ask why, I asked how is it possible to give options

Mariinee:
You are not agnostic, you are only acting like one because you think it's cool.

when you make sweeping statements like this you need to back it up and not just end it right there otherwise its meaningless

Realitycheck007:
Ever heard of trinity sir? if not or so...u wuld know that the argument isnt wrong

Oh please, don't act like you understand The Holy Trinity. No one understands the Holy Trinity.

Do you know Wave-Particle Duality? How light exist in 2 states at every given time? can you clearly say you understand that paradox?

If No, then imagine a Trinity ...oh wait you can't. There are somethings you just cannot understand and if anything, Quantum Mechanics has also proven that.

SIINXU:



Lola, I stopped reading where you pointed out that Jesus descended from heaven with the Bible - a book which is supposedly a compilation of scrolls written and picked up one after the other long after Jesus allegedly died. Who fills ya'll up with all this nonsense? As far as records go, Christianity is several millennias older than Islam so how exactly is it a spin-off of Islam?


Let me pitch a better version to your story: Mohammad seeked to gain his own followership after uniting all the old gods under the auspice of "Islam" and because he knew that at that time, Christianity had already gained prominence, he decided to align his newly invented religion with one that had already existed but this time, he presented his own superior to the former.

Let's look at it this way; I decide to delve into the noodles market and instead of uniquely producing and packing my product, I move to rip off Indomie by first imitating their pack design, then I pick similar colours, then I pick similar flavours, I even style my seasoning sachet like theirs! Then in a desperate bid to hide the fact that my product is a cheap rip-off of Indomie, rather than give it a similar name to Indomie Noodles, I name mine Chikki Chicken Noodles but that doesn't change anything, my product is still obviously a cheap rip-off.


That's exactly what Islam is.



Modified: I'm glad to know you think that being Agnostic is cool, means we're making progress here.

LOL, funny. If I say he was sent down, does it literally mean he descended with the book? Smh.

I don't know where you get your stories from but let's just end it here. I have a busy weekend cum week ahead. Keep reveling in whatever you believe in.
And I don't think being agnostic is cool. Don't try to form smart by twisting my words. I said you think it is cool, doesn't mean I think it's cool.

Realitycheck007:
Me and my staffs are having a little argument, cause of the pix i brought to them this morning to explain.. Many people can't Say a word while others are contradicting each other so i decided to bring it up here, I know this isn't the right thread but For the reason this Section has the most viewers and active users... Let's do this, NOTE am a Christian that loves getting new idea of my Belief, Either Wrong or right.. Can someone explain this for me

Cc. Rocktation, farano, lalasticlala, mynd44 )

the problem is... "Christians" have missed interpreted the Bible in many ways... This is just one among the many... I wonder how people believe in the word Trinity, when..

1. U can't find it in the Bible
2. Jesus himself said that he has a father ( u n ur papa na equal?)
3. God himself said Jesus is his begotten son ( just imagine, tomorrow someone will tell u that ur son is equal to u)
4. That God don't have a beginning but Jesus has.

Infact the list is on... After I have carefully studied the Bible I found out that the "Christians" lack proper understanding of the Bible... Their pastors are after money nothing else... I don't know if I'm to day I'm a Christian because I may be seen among those that lack a proper understanding of the Bible... I have a Bible and I have a proper understanding of it different from what ur Yahoo boys and men(pastors) preach.

Suprnov3r:
God is perfect. Just because he is merciful does not mean justice will not be served to whoever defaults on universal just laws. The only way he can give justice and mercy is by taking the full punishment himself on your behalf

Christians use words without even knowing what they mean

Dan Barker (former preacher turned atheist) often points out that a perfectly just and perfectly merciful God cannot exist, because any extension of mercy necessitates a suspension of justice.

I am a Christian and I am not ashamed to say it. I would rather believe this than believe someone who tells me I evolved from a monkey

Actually you were told by "Christians" that someone said you evolved from monkeys; those Christians misrepresented what that "someone" said and you didn't even bother to find out the truth for yourself

Doctormarrvin:
To each man his own.. Let those that question the existence of Yahweh continue to do so, it's even funnier when all they do is doubt his existence but they don't even understand many of the creation theories their fellow men created for them.. Like how many of successfully understood the principles of the Big Bang Theory? Or spontaneous generation or the one that said life started from a mixture of different chemicals...the thing is,just live right.. Exhibit good morals..how hard is it to follow the 10 commandments? If you're not following it for religion..do it because the laws are right! Death is all that matters..you live a moral life and die and you discover there's no Yahweh.. What do you have to lose?.. People still believed the earth is flat another very hilarious argument

Yahweh does not exist, that is a fact!

Realitycheck007:
SO many christians and believers as claim has viewed and pass this thread yet NOBODY has an explanation to the question above...my fellow brethen which way are we even goin? we are just doing follow follow, IF pastor A says his own God is sand we believe, If pastor B says his own God is air we believe..

You made me LAUGH so hard. Can't remember the last time i laughed like this because of the TRUTH you have spoken. "...MY FELLOW BRETHEN WHICH WAY ARE WE EVEN GOING? WE ARE JUST DOING FOLLOW FOLLOW"

My dear brother it is a very THOUGHT PROVOKING question you have asked. Of which the best you can EVER, EVER get as long as it is to COUNTER that ILLUSTRATION are EXPLANATIONS that are in CONFLICT with its own self, a continous running ROUND and ROUND in CIRCLES till all options are exhausted yet WITHOUT an answer to the question that you have asked SIMPLY because Chritainity runs on a CONTRADICTORY system. THAT IS THE TRUTH, IF TRUTH IS WHAT YOU SEEK. "Wisdom is found only in TRUTH *** I have studied deeply into so many systems that powers our vortex. Without doubt all you will ever get as answers to your thought provoking question are answers NOT CONSISTENT with the ARTICLES OF FAITH in Christianity and FAULTY ANALOGIES. In the end its all MYSTIFIED.

An example of how this illustration is INCONSISTENT with the articles of faith in Christianity is so plain about the teachings received in sunday schools that GOD CANNOT DIE which is an article of faith that GOD IS IMMORTAL, CANT BE CONQUERED BY DEATH. So who died for our sins? God or Man or God-Man or Man-God?

Mariinee:
LOL, funny. If I say he was sent down, does it literally mean he descended with the book? Smh.

I don't know where you get your stories from but let's just end it here. I have a busy weekend cum week ahead. Keep reveling in whatever you believe in.
And I don't think being agnostic is cool. Don't try to form smart by twisting my words. I said you think it is cool, doesn't mean I think it's cool.

I don't "think it's cool". Why would I wanna seem "cool" to people I may never meet? You think I care what nairalanders think?? If I did, I won't be here today. Anyway, there's a video I would love to show you but I don't know how to get it across. It's a very simple illustration on how mind control works and how effective it is. I wish you would dare to ask questions and be courageous enough to accept the answers when they come.

RoyalBlak007:
missyqween

You're highly needed here

Lol.I don't really do religious argument especially here on NL
I prefer Face to face.Lol

WORDWORLD:

You made me LAUGH so hard. Can't remember the last time i laughed like this because of the TRUTH you have spoken. "...MY FELLOW BRETHEN WHICH WAY ARE WE EVEN GOING? WE ARE JUST DOING FOLLOW FOLLOW"

My dear brother it is a very THOUGHT PROVOKING question you have asked. Of which the best you can EVER, EVER get as long as it is to COUNTER that ILLUSTRATION are EXPLANATIONS that are in CONFLICT with its own self, a continous running ROUND and ROUND in CIRCLES till all options are exhausted yet WITHOUT an answer to the question that you have asked SIMPLY because Chritainity runs on a CONTRADICTORY system. THAT IS THE TRUTH, IF TRUTH IS WHAT YOU SEEK. "Wisdom is found only in TRUTH *** I have studied deeply into so many systems that powers our vortex. Without doubt all you will ever get as answers to your thought provoking question are answers NOT CONSISTENT with the ARTICLES OF FAITH in Christianity and FAULTY ANALOGIES. In the end its all MYSTIFIED.

An example of how this illustration is INCONSISTENT with the articles of faith in Christianity is so plain about the teachings received in sunday schools that GOD CANNOT DIE which is an article of faith that GOD IS IMMORTAL, CANT BE CONQUERED BY DEATH. So who died for our sins? God or Man or God-Man or Man-God?  




 

Jesus is not God

SIINXU:




I don't "think it's cool". Why would I wanna seem "cool" to people I may never meet? You think I care what nairalanders think?? If I did, I won't be here today. Anyway, there's a video I would love to show you but I don't know how to get it across. It's a very simple illustration on how mind control works and how effective it is. I wish you would dare to ask questions and be courageous enough to accept the answers when they come.

LOL. Keep wishing.
I have no questions, I am very clear on my religion.

hopefulLandlord:

Christians use words without even knowing what they mean

Dan Barker (former preacher turned atheist) often points out that a perfectly just and perfectly merciful God cannot exist, because any extension of mercy necessitates a suspension of justice.

Actually you were told by "Christians" that someone said you evolved from monkeys; those Christians misrepresented what that "someone" said and you didn't even bother to find out the truth for yourself

You have not in any way countered the points I raised. Dropping someone's opinion does not count as a rebuttal. Mercy and justice are two mutually exclusive positions on a particular issue. If a man is merciful to one crime doesn't mean he cannot apply justice on another crime on the same person. Barker can be anything he wants. Logic and my faith perfectly agrees


Whatever your theories you believe about the origin of humanity, and trust me i have read a lot of them. My conclusion is that it takes more faith to believe them than believe that A God created man. Your choice your business

BadLuckonmyGame:
Jesus is not God

My comment is with respect to the Illustration. If Jesus is not God who then is he. If you say Son of God. Can he then be God's son without being a GOD himself?

WORDWORLD:

My comment is with respect to the Illustration. If Jesus is not God who then is he If you say Son of God. Can he then be God's son without being a GOD himself?

if u are the son of ur father, can u also be ur father? We have just one God.. Jesus is not God

BadLuckonmyGame:
if u are the son of ur father, can u also be ur father?

If you are the son of ur father and he is a human being. I expect you his son too to be a human being like your father. So if Jesus is the son of God he should as well be a God too only that he is a son and not the father. Are you starting to see how christianity runs on a CONTRADICTORY system?

Realitycheck007:
Me and my staffs are having a little argument, cause of the pix i brought to them this morning to explain.. Many people can't Say a word while others are contradicting each other so i decided to bring it up here, I know this isn't the right thread but For the reason this Section has the most viewers and active users... Let's do this, NOTE am a Christian that loves getting new idea of my Belief, Either Wrong or right.. Can someone explain this for me

Cc. Rocktation, farano, lalasticlala, mynd44 )

For the last time the three of them are one the father the word and the spirit when Jesus was on earth he prayed to the father and not to God because hr is part of God. Jesus is the word from God and the bible says the word was made flesh and dwelt amongst us .

PS how is this supposed to shake my belief

Blackhawk03:
Lol. The thought of asking my pastor this question has crossed my mind countless times but they say we can't question God.

that is the problem but only men of God who don't have unction will say that

Lol... Christains and their believes some times, I see them as confused people

hopefulLandlord:


Yahweh does not exist, that is a fact!

lol bro..i'm not going to try and convince you in anyway! You've chosen to deny his existence and I've chosen to accept it.. That doesn't make us enemies does it? I'd like to know the creation theory you believe in

WORDWORLD:


If you are the son of ur father and he is a human being. I expect you his son too to be a human being like your father. So if Jesus is the son of God he should as well be a God too only that he is a son and not the father. Are you starting to see how christianity runs on a CONTRADICTORY system?

no... U are wrong. I'm d son of my father we are both human being... im not my father.... Jesus is the son of God, they are both spirit... Jesus is not God.

naomishmuel:
Lol... Christains and their believes
some times, I see them as confused people

My sister, we are all born into CONFUSSION. Of which its our essence of being to seek for the ABSOLUTE TRUTH of our existence. But few are SEEKERS most follow DOGMA uncomfirmed.

missyQween:



Lol.I don't really do religious argument especially here on NL
I prefer Face to face.Lol

That's why we need

to meet privately ASAP

BadLuckonmyGame:
no... U are wrong. I'm d son of my father we are both human being... im not my father.... Jesus is the son of God, they are both spirit... Jesus is not God.

How is Jesus not a God too if he is the Son of God?! His he not like His father, God?

Like how can something so perfect and elaborate like the universe spring out of nothingness? Scientists would come and tell you different theories which y'all will swallow hook,line and sinker! Energy came together,became sentient and formed man.. How many of you understand the entire process of how fetuses form..water and blood suddenly start forming complex organs and an even more complex brain complete with brain cells and synapse capable of thoughts and comprehensions!..if the universe formed by itself then why then did the same universe create life forms? Is the universe sentient? There's a creator somewhere..whether we admit or not

WORDWORLD:


How is Jesus not a God too if he is the Son of God?! His he not like His father, God?

u are like ur father does that make u ur father?

Suprnov3r:
No matter what I write, unless you want to genuinely learn, you won't learn


God is perfect. Just because he is merciful does not mean justice will not be served to whoever defaults on universal just laws. The only way he can give justice and mercy is by taking the full punishment himself on your behalf


If God bends the laws just because he wants to forgive, then he becomes unjust

I am a Christian and I am not ashamed to say it. I would rather believe this than believe someone who tells me I evolved from a monkey

Word. Keep it up!

@OP A lot of things are out there to shake one's faith. I don't think anyone can completely understand the way of God.

Some things in this life are mysteries. I don't bother much about them. My belief is that if you are good or considerate towards others you are not very far from God's Kingdom. This matters more to me than being able to explain religions and doctrines.

We have many religious people these days. Yet, does it not surprise you when you hear of people killing, maiming, raping or doing all kinds of evil under the guise of religion?

Don't bother too much about what you don't understand. It probably benefits you nothing seeking explanations. Such futility is part of what makes some conclude there is no God.

Worry more about what's supposed to be the core of any true religion: love of God and care for fellow men.

What the early scientists did was propose,fight one another, suggest, and assume they were correct when they ran out of suggestions..life started on earth by means of a common ancestor..who is that common ancestor? Some said life started from bacterias..bacterias suddenly felt the need to become sentient and perform complex metabolical feats? Call us sheeps for believing in a creator but ask yourself..the ideas of creation which you jump on.. How well do you think you understand it?

RoyalBlak007:



That's why we need

to meet privately ASAP

Lol

SIINXU:



Atheists don't believe that God exists, I do. I just don't subscribe to the "christian" doctrine.

I don't think you are agnostic. You are a theist, Believing there is a God in itself makes you a theist. It doesn't matter whether you do not accept the religion way of describing him. Agnostics DO NOT BELIEVE ANYTHING. They cannot accept that there is God cos there is no sufficient evidence to prove He exists. This same paucity of evidence is also the reason they cannot say for certain that he doesn't exist.

Atheists BELIEVE there is no God.

So there is a difference. People tend to mix it up. Anyway, I am an agnostic.

WORDWORLD:


How is Jesus not a God too if he is the Son of God?! His he not like His father, God?

i pity you , you dey find wetin u no lost, jesus came to the earth in human flesh and existed not as a God but still called himself God's son!