Mariinee:
Wrong. I'm amazed at how you think you know much about Islam just because of whatever you are able to pick up from the internet. Now, here is a simple lecture, you don't need to pay;
Islam has been right from the the time God created Adam. God sent Issa i.e Jesus down with the Injeel i.e the bible to the people of Nazareth. Then, when the Jews saw the miracles Jesus did and the miraculous way he was born,they started to call him Son of God and some called him god.
Christianity is a spinoff from Islam. Because the bible is the badly corrupted version of the Injeel and the Injeel is a holy book of faith in Islam.
Gabriel is Hebrew and Jubril is Arabic, it's just a simple case of languages difference. Arabic is the recognized language of Islam not Hebrew and that's why I said it's not recognized in Islam but you chose to make it about plagiarism or whatever you say.

You are not agnostic, you are only acting like one because you think it's cool.

may God forgive you!

BadLuckonmyGame:
the problem is... "Christians" have missed interpreted the Bible in many ways... This is just one among the many... I wonder how people believe in the word Trinity, when..

1. U can't find it in the Bible
2. Jesus himself said that he has a father ( u n ur papa na equal?)
3. God himself said Jesus is his begotten son ( just imagine, tomorrow someone will tell u that ur son is equal to u)
4. That God don't have a beginning but Jesus has.

Infact the list is on... After I have carefully studied the Bible I found out that the "Christians" lack proper understanding of the Bible... Their pastors are after money nothing else... I don't know if I'm to day I'm a Christian because I may be seen among those that lack a proper understanding of the Bible... I have a Bible and I have a proper understanding of it different from what ur Yahoo boys and men(pastors) preach.

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You when you read about God the father, God the Son and God the holy spirit In the bible .it means three personalities .but instead of long statement like the one above.you simply say 'trinity'.just like instead of saying father ,mother and their children.you can just say 'family'.
the word trinity was later coine
d by scholars to mean 'three in one' .if you look at the word trinity ,it is a combination of "tri"-three and unity.the means God the father ,the Son and the Holy spirit.
So if you don't like the term "trinity " you can keep on calling the whole thing .
I hope I av help someone.

hopefulLandlord:
Eight "eye-witnesses" say they saw and handled the golden plates that Joseph Smith translated into the Book of Mormon. That history is far more recent than Jesus' four witnesses who (supposedly) wrote it decades after the fact and you also know nothing about them, so using your logic the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints wins on eye-witness numbers and proximity of time. I guess you'll convert to Mormonism now?

Calendar year? hahahaha

Smith actually obtained testimonies from 11 men who said they had seen the golden plates not 8 as you quoted above. But I ask, how does that in the least compare with the lord Jesus whom God began to speak about right from Genesis 3:15 many 1000s of years before he was born and all through the ages by the mouth of prophets of all ages who received inspiration to prophecy what they did not fully grasp at the time?

Notice also that just before Jesus came, John had been testifying about him without knowing his identity until he saw the sign. Don't forget, John's had encountered an angel before John's birth so much so that even the people of his day could not take his testimony for granted.

Once Jesus arrived, he began to declare that he is the son of God but many including his brothers did not believe him until his death when even a soldier standing declared that "truly, this was the son of God" when he saw all the signs that followed his death.

Finally, when he resurrected, he revealed himself to Peter, the twelve, and to more than 500 brothers at the same time most of whom were still living at the time. If you can believe that you are your father's child on the testimony of your mother but can't believing the fact of Jesus resurrection in the face of all the historical evidences, then I clearly can't help you.

Doctormarrvin:
lol bro..i'm not going to try and convince you in anyway! You've chosen to deny his existence and I've chosen to accept it.. That doesn't make us enemies does it? I'd like to know the creation theory you believe in

I didn't "deny" its existence, I know he doesn't exist! the word "deny" sounds like I have all the evidence I need but chose to ignore them or something

I don't accept any creation story, its obvious each and every one of them are manmade and used to predict what happened before they got here, like someone sleeping in the USA tonight and waking up in a Canadian hotel can spill a lot of theories about how he got there from "train brought me here" to "I must've taken a plane" to "I teleported down here"

we are all trying to find our way in this world we find ourselves and conjuring "god" as explanation just seems too intellectually lazy a position to take; To believe in a God is to relinquish your ability to seek the truth... To simply give up on the answers to the impossible questions... To stop using the most important of Human faculties, the ability to question... All questions about the universe, pain, suffering, evil, morality etc...God did it.....now get back to work and pay your tithe because he needs money...

richythePH:
this whole hullabaloo and confusion started when some overly confused idiots misinterpreted john1:1 and brought up the false misleading belief of "trinity"


Jesus, God, and bible prophecy clearly reveals that God and Jesus are different (one is the father who had no begining and the other the son who was the first born creation according to colossians3:15 (or i think 1:15))


i pity the confused myopic and gullible people who accept and adopt the false teachings of the even more confused idiots that invented these evil wrong teachings

Everything you are saying can be compared to an ant that is busy arguing with fellow ants that THERE IS NO INTERNET simply because it lacks capacity to grasp the subject.
There is much more in creation beyond the 3-d world me and you are used to and it will do you good to simply stop where the word of God stops. Deut 29:29

MrSamuel1:
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You when you read about God the father, God the Son and God the holy spirit In the bible .it means three personalities .but instead of long statement like the one above.you simply say 'trinity'.just like instead of saying father ,mother and their children.you can just say 'family'.
the word trinity was later coine
d by scholars to mean 'three in one' .if you look at the word trinity ,it is a combination of "tri"-three and unity.the means God the father ,the Son and the Holy spirit.
So if you don't like the term "trinity " you can keep on calling the whole thing .
I hope I av help someone.

are u telling me what your Yahoo boys/men (pastors) told u or u read the bolded from your Bible... @ bolded can u refer me to where u read these statement in the Bible? I'm waiting...

traeces:


Smith actually obtained testimonies from 11 men who said they had seen the golden plates not 8 as you quoted above. But I ask, how does that in the least compare with the lord Jesus whom God began to speak about right from Genesis 3:15 many 1000s of years before he was born and all through the ages by the mouth of prophets of all ages who received inspiration to prophecy what they did not fully grasp at the time?

Notice also that just before Jesus came, John had been testifying about him without knowing his identity until he saw the sign. Don't forget, John's had encountered an angel before John's birth so much so that even the people of his day could not take his testimony for granted.

Once Jesus arrived, he began to declare that he is the son of God but many including his brothers did not believe him until his death when even a soldier standing declared that "truly, this was the son of God" when he saw all the signs that followed his death.

Finally, when he resurrected, he revealed himself to Peter, the twelve, and to more than 500 brothers at the same time most of whom were still living at the time. If you can believe that you are your father's child on the testimony of your mother but can't believing the fact of Jesus resurrection in the face of all the historical evidences, then I clearly can't help you.

11 gave testimonies and 8 handled the golden plates

everything else you wrote there aren't historical, that's using bible to confirm the bible aka "circular reasoning" fallacy and everything becomes true due to such a fallacious thinking

walepackage:
that is why i said in my earlier post,that some of these 'doctrines' are view as 'profane'as such its difficult to explain and elaborate empirically with verifiable fact.

Not really, if we realise how that God's thoughts and ways are indescribably higher than our thoughts ways (Isaiah 55:9), we will be content with what he has revealed.
Just imagine a one year old child asking his mother what is in her womb and how it got there? No matter the explanation the mom gives, he is never going to understand. At least until another decade.
Make peace with the fact that God is not your mate.

hopefulLandlord:

11 gave testimonies and 8 handled the golden plates

everything else you wrote there aren't historical, that's using bible to confirm the bible aka "circular reasoning" fallacy and everything becomes true due to such a fallacious thinking

The bible was written on 3 different continents by 40+ others under divine inspiration of the Holy Ghost over a period of over 1500 years. That puts the bible in a class all its own as it is a book of books. It is one of histories most reliable reference material so if you think I should not use the bible to explain the bible, what will you suggest? archeology, science or metaphysics?

hopefulLandlord:


I didn't "deny" its existence, I know he doesn't exist! the word "deny" sounds like I have all the evidence I need but chose to ignore them or something

I don't accept any creation story, its obvious each and every one of them are manmade and used to predict what happened before they got here, like someone sleeping in the USA tonight and waking up in a Canadian hotel can spill a lot of theories about how he got there from "train brought me here" to "I must've taken a plane" to "I teleported down here"

we are all trying to find our way in this world we find ourselves and conjuring "god" as explanation just seems too intellectually lazy a position to take; To believe in a God is to relinquish your ability to seek the truth... To simply give up on the answers to the impossible questions... To stop using the most important of Human faculties, the ability to question... All questions about the universe, pain, suffering, evil, morality etc...God did it.....now get back to work and pay your tithe because he needs money...

I find it very funny when I encounter free thinkers who bandy the assertion that faith in God amounts to intellectual laziness. Where has your intellectual dexterity led you?
Think about it, even in the physical world, Newtonian mechanic laws are very valid for as long as speeds are not approaching the speeds of light and masses not approaching subatomic orders. Newton's erstwhile valid laws do not hold in those realms! How then can you hope to explain God who is spirit and require those who worship him to worship in truth and in spirit with your eyes, hands, ears, mouth?
For the sake of the eternal destiny of your spirit, I advice you to repent before God and beg him to give you faith to believe that he is and he is a rewarder of those who diligently seek him (Heb 11:6)
Faith that he exists comes before evidence of hia existence

Mariinee:
The Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) was a messenger of God not God himself, how do you expect him to know everything? LOL. He wasn't a seer either.

Now, Jesus didn't die on the cross. His soul rose up into the high heavens. Why is crime and everything still rife in the world if Jesus indeed died for the sins of men.
Jesus died for the sins of men, yet this century is the most morally-corrupted one ever. Are people like this because they know Jesus died for their sins and once they accept him as their Lord and savior, they are okay? Is this why a lot of people go to church but still engage in the most vile of activities?

Jesus was persecuted because he preached the gospel to people not because he was sent down to die for the sins of some useless people he doesn't know. If God wanted to forgive us all, he only has to say it. He doesn't have to murder anyone, okay? He isn't a god of drama.

My dear mariinee, the simple fact that the prophet did not know what was going to become of the eternal destiny of his spirit or of his followers is one of the many reasons why he cannot command my following.

Secondly, the death and resurrection of Jesus was not meant to take away man's freedom to choose. It was meant to make it possible for man to return to God his home following the fall which is why the bible says, "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever BELIEVES in him will not perish but have everlasting life" Jn 3:16

What that means is, if in spite of his death, one chooses not to believe, heavens will not fall but he or she misses out on the eternal life God made possible through Jesus and perishes in hell which has always been the intent of Satan.

kaybams1:


I don't think you are agnostic. You are a theist, Believing there is a God in itself makes you a theist. It doesn't matter whether you do not accept the religion way of describing him. Agnostics DO NOT BELIEVE ANYTHING. They cannot accept that there is God cos there is no sufficient evidence to prove He exists. This same paucity of evidence is also the reason they cannot say for certain that he doesn't exist.

Atheists BELIEVE there is no God.

So there is a difference. People tend to mix it up. Anyway, I am an agnostic.

Oshe thinker! Fùck off my mentions.

edimolu:

may God forgive you!

I think you need the forgiveness more. Stop jumping on my mention.

To the best of my knowledge, the trinity can be likened to the relationship between pharaoh and Joseph when he declared Joseph the ruler of all of Egypt, and it is only by his position on the throne will he be greater than him. God is the eternal king of all ages, Jesus is his firstborn who was with him from the very beginning of creation as he is God's word. And when he was crucified, he ascended up to heaven and God himself gave him a sit at his right-hand with a name that is above all and every other name in heaven, on earth and or in other realms of creation. The holy spirit in thesame way is the spirit of God the father that was released or sent to dwell in the hearts and amidst of those that are righteous and faithful, those who believe in the teachings of Jesus and have accepted him as their Lord and saviour. In veiw of this, there are two ways by which a man can walk, good or evil, one leads to eternal glory and comfort with unparalleled joy and happiness, while the other leads to eternal judgement and pain, anguish, regret and suffering.
All we have to do is to choose that which appeals to us but not without learning first of the benefits attached and that's more reason why God sent his son as an emissary of his kingdom to plead and also forewarn us of our respective decisions and the choices we make. Let those that choose to believe in the word of God hold steadfast unto their Faith and be more fervent in their faithfulness, and those that have choosen ignorance instead of knowledge and wisdom do so and continue to thread on their path of blindness, the end will justify that which have been said from the beginning of time.

Mariinee:
I think you need the forgiveness more. Stop jumping on my mention.

that is blasphemy, and you should seek for his forgiveness! am sure if a xtian had said that around muslims, ya'll would be putting a dagger to his throat by now!...

peace

tommynico:
To the best of my knowledge, the trinity can be likened to the relationship between pharaoh and Joseph when he declared Joseph the ruler of all of Egypt, and it is only by his position on the throne will he be greater than him. God is the eternal king of all ages, Jesus is his firstborn who was with him from the very beginning of creation as he is God's word. And when he was crucified, he ascended up to heaven and God himself gave him a sit at his right-hand with a name that is above all and every other name in heaven, on earth and or in other realms of creation. The holy spirit in thesame way is the spirit of God the father that was released or sent to dwell in the hearts and amidst of those that are righteous and faithful, those who believe in the teachings of Jesus and have accepted him as their Lord and saviour. In veiw of this, there are two ways by which a man can walk, good or evil, one leads to eternal glory and comfort with unparalleled joy and happiness, while the other leads to eternal judgement and pain, anguish, regret and suffering.
All we have to do is to choose that which appeals to us but not without learning first of the benefits attached and that's more reason why God sent his son as an emissary of his kingdom to plead and also forewarn us of our respective decisions and the choices we make. Let those that choose to believe in the word of God hold steadfast unto their Faith and be more fervent in their faithfulness, and those that have choosen ignorance instead of knowledge and wisdom do so and continue to thread on their path of blindness, the end will justify that which have been said from the beginning of time.

your brain power is a gift to humanity...you have spoken well!

especially the bolded!

cc worldword abi na wordworld sef

edimolu:

that is blasphemy, and you should seek for his forgiveness! am sure if a xtian had said that around muslims, ya'll would be putting a dagger to his throat by now!...

peace

It's not blasphemy, it's the truth. If the bible was the truth, it wouldn't have so many versions and different churches wouldn't use different versions, some are even writing their own bible, that's blasphemy.
And I don't put anything to anybody's neck, anyone can say whatever they like.

tommynico:
To the best of my knowledge, the trinity can be likened to the relationship between pharaoh and Joseph when he declared Joseph the ruler of all of Egypt, and it is only by his position on the throne will he be greater than him. God is the eternal king of all ages, Jesus is his firstborn who was with him from the very beginning of creation as he is God's word. And when he was crucified, he ascended up to heaven and God himself gave him a sit at his right-hand with a name that is above all and every other name in heaven, on earth and or in other realms of creation. The holy spirit in thesame way is the spirit of God the father that was released or sent to dwell in the hearts and amidst of those that are righteous and faithful, those who believe in the teachings of Jesus and have accepted him as their Lord and saviour. In veiw of this, there are two ways by which a man can walk, good or evil, one leads to eternal glory and comfort with unparalleled joy and happiness, while the other leads to eternal judgement and pain, anguish, regret and suffering.
All we have to do is to choose that which appeals to us but not without learning first of the benefits attached and that's more reason why God sent his son as an emissary of his kingdom to plead and also forewarn us of our respective decisions and the choices we make. Let those that choose to believe in the word of God hold steadfast unto their Faith and be more fervent in their faithfulness, and those that have choosen ignorance instead of knowledge and wisdom do so and continue to thread on their path of blindness, the end will justify that which have been said from the beginning of time.

To the best of your knowledge? Where did you gain this knowledge from?

SIINXU:



Oshe thinker! Fùck off my mentions.

Hehehe, why did you tell him to fvck off now? He made sense, you should counter that.

vertueptime:


O tot hes a father and the son at the same time, but it should have been father and grandfather to make it more miraculous

u this head slamming pedophile will not face your blood sucking religion of piss n try to abolish killing, maiming,destroying n fighting for your pedophile Mohammed.

edimolu:

i pity you , you dey find wetin u no lost, jesus came to the earth in human flesh and existed not as a God but still called himself God's son!

Are you saying that Jesus is not God that "came to the earth in human flesh"?! That is what am trying to verify?

Mariinee:
It's not blasphemy, it's the truth. If the bible was the truth, it wouldn't have so many versions and different churches wouldn't use different versions, some are even writing their own bible, that's blasphemy.
And I don't put anything to anybody's neck, anyone can say whatever they like.

we call it doctrines dear, every church has its way of churching, yet serving the same God still binds us together as one and that can never be neglected!

Nevertheless, the fact that Christianity alongside the bible holds contradictive claims doesn't make the bible badly corrupt...that is too much to have asserted....

you can abuse me all you want,i won't fight back, never! but do not talk ill of a holy book!

peace

WORDWORLD:


Are you saying that Jesus is not God that "came to the earth in human flesh"?! That is what am trying to verify?

i know you trying to put me in a tight spot! lol

well as far as i know, jesus is not God, jesus during his earthly period never claimed being God, he is the son of God!

now hold on, before you hit me with usual weak punch, "why is son different from the father",? please do well to read again my post to which you quoted!

peace

1 John 5:1-8 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

http://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=bible.kingjamesbiblelite

edimolu:


we call it doctrines dear, every church has its way of churching, yet serving the same God still binds us together as one and that can never be neglected!

Nevertheless, the fact that Christianity alongside the bible holds contradictive claims doesn't make the bible badly corrupt...that is too much to have asserted....

you can abuse me all you want,i won't fight back, never! but do not talk ill of a holy book!

peace

Doctrines is using different versions of ONE book, a holy book of God? Lmao.
I will say it again, the bible is a badly corrupted book...it's not holy, it's just a book.

hopefulLandlord:


I didn't "deny" its existence, I know he doesn't exist! the word "deny" sounds like I have all the evidence I need but chose to ignore them or something

I don't accept any creation story, its obvious each and every one of them are manmade and used to predict what happened before they got here, like someone sleeping in the USA tonight and waking up in a Canadian hotel can spill a lot of theories about how he got there from "train brought me here" to "I must've taken a plane" to "I teleported down here"

we are all trying to find our way in this world we find ourselves and conjuring "god" as explanation just seems too intellectually lazy a position to take; To believe in a God is to relinquish your ability to seek the truth... To simply give up on the answers to the impossible questions... To stop using the most important of Human faculties, the ability to question... All questions about the universe, pain, suffering, evil, morality etc...God did it.....now get back to work and pay your tithe because he needs money...

so with all the questions man has brought up..you're satisfied with the answers man has gotten? I wonder what we've done with all the truths and answers to the impossible questions we have..don't take this like we're quarreling bro,cos we're not! I believe in God yet that has not stopped me from using my brain..we'll continue to get curious and we'll continue to invent answers to satisfy our curiousity,thats the endless circle bro!..There are countless number of really smart people that believe in the theory of special creation..i'd still like to know what creation theory you believe in

Live a just and moral life and alot of you are misinterpreting it to mean stop using your brain?.. Who said science and Christianity cannot work?.. Science is man made yet alot of you believe everything your scientist tell you cos you think they have proof that you clearly have not seen! Why don't you disprove the theory that says anything moving with the speed of light attracts infinite mass? Or disprove the supposed ultimate cold death of the universe or disprove black holes or worm holes or the theory that said we evolved from bacterias...you have alot of disproving to do with the so called science you believe in but y'all ignore that and blame Christianity on the fact that you can't think adequately for yourself

Y'all acting smart and logical when it comes to Christianity...remove Christianity and show us the smartness you think Christianity is stopping you from using...Jesus died for our sins but the free will to repent from whatever evil we are doing still remains with us.. Imagine a world where everybody faithfully adhered to the teachings of the bible..a perfect world with no rape, murder, extortions,basically a perfect world with no crime...y'all keep blaming God for the evil brought upon man by man.. Let me give you an example...Imagine baby Hitler was born in the 21st century Nigeria with the same destiny of committing mass genocide..then he suddenly went missing and was found dead.. Alot of you lots will curse God and blame him for the death of such an adorable infant because you have no knowledge of who this child would grow up to be... Assuming he didn't die and grew up to be the monster we know him to be.. You lots will still curse God for allowing such a monster to be born in the first place...The problem is with humans themselves but y'all can't see it..the need to cast blame is what drives alot of you

Mariinee:
Doctrines is using different versions of ONE book, a holy book of God? Lmao.
I will say it again, the bible is a badly corrupted book...it's not holy, it's just a book.

different versions? yes..but it holds the same meanings in all entirety!

still repeating it? you even had to emphasize using the word "just"...lol..how much do you even know about the bible to reach such hilarious conclusion?

edimolu:

different versions? yes..but it holds the same meanings in all entirety!

still repeating it? you even had to emphasize using the word "just"...lol..how much do you even know about the bible to reach such hilarious conclusion?

The same meanings indeed.

I know enough about it to know it's just a book. It's not hilarious, it's the truth.

Doctormarrvin:
Y'all acting smart and logical when it comes to Christianity...remove Christianity and show us the smartness you think Christianity is stopping you from using...Jesus died for our sins but the free will to repent from whatever evil we are doing still remains with us.. Imagine a world where everybody faithfully adhered to the teachings of the bible..a perfect world with no rape, murder, extortions,basically a perfect world with no crime...y'all keep blaming God for the evil brought upon man by man.. Let me give you an example...Imagine baby Hitler was born in the 21st century Nigeria with the same destiny of committing mass genocide..then he suddenly went missing and was found dead.. Alot of you lots will curse God and blame him for the death of such an adorable infant because you have no knowledge of who this child would grow up to be... Assuming he didn't die and grew up to be the monster we know him to be.. You lots will still curse God for allowing such a monster to be born in the first place...The problem is with humans themselves but y'all can't see it..the need to cast blame is what drives alot of you

Sweetheart, calm down.

Happy New Year.

edimolu:

different versions? yes..but it holds the same meanings in all entirety!

still repeating it? you even had to emphasize using the word "just"...lol..how much do you even know about the bible to reach such hilarious conclusion?

Lol..