historyworld031:
My friend, the title of the Edo king is: Omo n'Oba n'Edo.
And he is the only king of all the Edo and the Benin Kingdom which comprises the entire Edo state and goes beyond.
The other traditional rulers whom you are talking about are dukes and chiefs who report to Omo n'Oba n'Edo.
I am well versed in actual history (not the usual nigerian fairytales) and that is why I claimed that the yorubas copied that title.
Truth must be spoken. No shame in this.
Also the name of my tribe is Edo, I am Edo and so are Akoko-Edo.
Once again, the word bini doesn't exist in my language, only the word Edo which refers to the people of the Benin kingdom.

historyworld031:
My friend, the title of the Edo king is: Omo n'Oba n'Edo.
And he is the only king of all the Edo and the Benin Kingdom which comprises the entire Edo state and goes beyond.
The other traditional rulers whom you are talking about are dukes and chiefs who report to Omo n'Oba n'Edo.
I am well versed in actual history (not the usual nigerian fairytales) and that is why I claimed that the yorubas copied that title.
Truth must be spoken. No shame in this.
Also the name of my tribe is Edo, I am Edo and so are Akoko-Edo.
Once again, the word bini doesn't exist in my language, only the word Edo which refers to the people of the Benin kingdom.
It seems some of you think that the word Edo was created by either the military either politicians, but you are greatly mistaking, the word Edo is the name of the citizens of the Benin Kingdom whose king is Omo n'Oba n'Edo. And it has been so for thousands of years.

DarkLover:



I didn't go through your history to be sure that I'm not trynna argue with a kid that won't learn, but I hope that you'll be matured enough to learn, likewise me. No offense is meant please.

Having said that, Omo N'Oba N'Edo is the King of Bini kingdom like you've rightly said, but the Benin kingdom you're talking about only covers fractions of current Edo state. In other areas they have their respective kings too, I'm sure you won't call Otaru of Auchi a mere duke.

To the second point you raised, Oranmiyan from Ife gave the Bini their first Oba( Oba Eweka) and Oranmiyan came down from Ife where the title has been in used- you had the Obatala, Obalufon etc so the title was not copied by the Yoruba.

Like I've said Edo is an ethnic group in Benin state and they don't occupied everywhere, you have the Etsakos Esans, Owans, Akokos etc

You might have a little disdain for the word Bini because of its origin, but believe the word will outlive us and will still refers to Edo people. Mind you there's different between Edo people and Edo state as well as between. Benin state is coined out of the word and Bini is anglicised Benin.

DarkLover:
Historyworld031 I'm not trying to spite you, also I'm not trying to elevate Ooni or reduce the influence or Power of Oba Ewuare II, I'm just trynna be objective with the documented facts and history and not fairy-tale like you called it, the point I raised you intentionally disregarded them and resulted to an awful part of argument.

Nice to know that you've got a masters from France in Maths, probably you might have some thoughtful reasoning than me like you said, its still in doubt though.

On 20th of October, 2016 after the presentation of his staff of Office to him, Oba Ewuare II himself made some remarks about the 'fairy tale' Oranmiyan, please look that up. Me and you can't know the 'actual history' more than him.



This got me laughing, you know little about Auchi bro!

Last question, what's the source of your claims? if the oral or written evidences are fairy tale?? or are you were there 500 years back?

GuidoVanRossum:


Please tell me what's Yoruba here.

The postal code of the area is 312. The towns include Atte, Igarra, Enwan, Aiyegunle, Ugboshi-Afe, Ugboshi-Ele, Ekpesa, Ibillo, Ikiran-Ile, Ikiran oke, Ekor, Somorika, Lampese, Imoga, Ojah, Uneme-Akiosu, Ososo, Akuku, Ojirami-Dam, Imoga, Eshawa, Ojirami-Peteshi, Ojirami-Afe, Dagbala, Makeke, Ekpe, Ekpedo, Bekuma, Okpe, Ogbe, Onumu, Akpama, Anyonron, Ogugu, Ikakumo, Ijaja, Oloma, Uneme-nekua, Ikpesh

konoplyanka:
Edo people come with anger when it comes to history. They abhor facts and resort to anger. Lol. One Even claim oba is not a Yoruba word.

What about omo? Omo nobanedo?

GuidoVanRossum:
It amazes me that almost everyone on here refers to my people as being Yorubas. Is it because of the name "Akoko?".
Please, note that the major languages in Akoko Edo are:
Okpameri
Uneme
Etuno
Ososo
And a very very tiny % of Yorubas.
Akoko-Edo isn't a Yoruba land. Yes, we have Yoruba influence and it shows in our names and all that. But we very different both culturally and in terms of language.

I therefore implore you all to stop calling my people Yorubas.


PS: This does not mean we hate the Yoruba people as they are our brothers in the same geographical contraption called Nigeria.

Mind44, Lalasticlala, please help us educate others.

historyworld031:
"friend" is not an english word, they stole it from the vikings.
"foe" is not an english word, they stole it from the vikings.
I don't know if you would be bright enough to comprehend that a word could be borrowed from an other language.
The Edo borrowed the word cuillère (spoon) from the portuguese or the french.
One thing is certain, in 1897 there was only one man bearing the title "Oba" and that was Omo n'Oba n'Edo Nogbaisi.
You should try and ask yourself when the yoruba even startung existing.
There is no precolonial document dated to more than 160 years which mentions the word yoruba.
There is no sea, no river, no bight, nothing which carries the name yoruba.
It seems you don't get the might of the Benin empire, we are talking about a country which was the (or one of the very few) super power(s) of west africa.
You do realize that, right ?

reality1010:

Well I sympathize with you.Yorubas r not people u associate with and trust with ur heart.They r classified traitor and betrayals. We v heard u but we will be on d look for those inhuman attitude of d yorubas in ur people.Don't hate anyone becauae u need them for ur daily interactions and God says u should love ur neighbors but hate those characters are n them.

konoplyanka:


Yoruba still don't bear oba as a title. It's a general name of a king with each king having its own title.

DarkLover:
Historyworld031 I'm not trying to spite you, also I'm not trying to elevate Ooni or reduce the influence or Power of Oba Ewuare II, I'm just trynna be objective with the documented facts and history and not fairy-tale like you called it, the point I raised you intentionally disregarded them and resulted to an awful part of argument.

Nice to know that you've got a masters from France in Maths, probably you might have some thoughtful reasoning than me like you said, its still in doubt though.

On 20th of October, 2016 after the presentation of his staff of Office to him, Oba Ewuare II himself made some remarks about the 'fairy tale' Oranmiyan, please look that up. Me and you can't know the 'actual history' more than him.



This got me laughing, you know little about Auchi bro!

Last question, what's the source of your claims? if the oral or written evidences are fairy tale?? or are you were there 500 years back?

historyworld031:
Don't mind him, this guy naming himself olu is one big troll who keeps spreading a lot of conspiracy theories.
he is not a serious person and I wish he would just stay off this thread in which Yoruba and Edo are exchangeing data with mutual respect and intellectual honnesty.

reality1010:

Well I sympathize with you.Yorubas r not people u associate with and trust with ur heart.They r classified traitor and betrayals. We v heard u but we will be on d look for those inhuman attitude of d yorubas in ur people.Don't hate anyone becauae u need them for ur daily interactions and God says u should love ur neighbors but hate those characters are n them.

SicilianMafia:
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THE GREAT OBA OF BENIN SAID ODUDUWA WAS AN EDO PRINCE AT HIS CORONATION IN FRONT OF YOUR OONI OR WATEVER SO DONT TALK NONSENSE HERE!!

Olu317:
And the same oba Bini said Oranmiyan brought OBA TITLE (Yoruba word for king)TO BINI.... WHO IS the one not sure of his identity?

. I therefore stand before you today as the 40th Oba of Benin, a direct descendant of Oronmiyan, the son of Oduduwa whom the Benin people of that era knew as Ekaladerhan, their self-exiled Prince who later became ruler in Ile-Ife. The Benin people recognize Oduduwa and his origin but it is not our place to force this recognition on others outside our boundaries. The history of the world is a shared one and there will certainly be unexpected connections in the future. This is thus a time for unity and not divisiveness, a time for mutual respect, recognizing that our wholeness as peoples is so much more than the sum of our parts. – “E pluribus Unum.”

historyworld031:
In germany you have (had) Keiser.
In rome you had Cezar.
In russia you had Tsar.
In england you have King.
In france you had Roi.
In mongolia you had Khan.
In egypt you had Pharoe.
In Benin Kingdom you have Oba (Omo n'Oba n'Edo)
in ife you have ooni.
in oyo you have Alafin.
...
Do you get me now ?


If the title of the Edo king means king in your language then you should ask yourself some questions about your history.
There is something obvious in here which you seem reluctant to see.

konoplyanka:


Well, you can't understand my perspective since you are not Yoruba. But I just told you what oba means to us. It's not a borrowed language it's a general term for a ruler. Even God is referred to as oba by the Yoruba. So stop talking what you don't understand. You could also say omo is borrowed from Edo cos I see omo in that title and could be roughly translated as son of the king of Edo. Iyeoba is also used by the Edo people to mean the king's mother. You could also say we borrowed iya from Edo too.

I'm from Owo and I can give you a lot of similarities between Edo and our language but I'm not interested. My grandma is from idogun which is around that Akoko edo axis and I know a lot about that area. But just stick to what you know.

SicilianMafia:
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Oba Ewaures Coronation Speech



All this The great oba of Benin said in front of your useless ooni of Ife


Inferiority complex is strong in you that you had to result to cheap lies

Hahaha come on get out , you have been disgraced again

Olu317:
Odua had children and grandchildren who lived under him when he reigned as Ooni. Yet not one of them knew about Ogiso? Did Eweka even knew how his father looked? No. Did Eweka's mother knew the character of Oranmiyan and ancestors lineage? No, because Eweka was barely a year old when Oranmiyan left Bini. And his Concubine who was Eweka's mother was given to him as he was the first Oba of Bini? Someone who Ogiemie family always accused as a foreigner from ILE IFE is now an Ogiso lineage? Despite the fact that Bini history is full of distortion as regards Oranmiyan and his ancestors, the Oba Bini had no choice but to affirm to it and mentioned Oranmiyan as the first Oba in Bini and referred to himself as the 40th Oba . What a storyline?

Oba Ewuare II's quote :“The Oba in his coronation speech was reported, by the Punch newspaper (in an article titled “Oba of Benin gets staff of office, unfolds development agenda”), to have stated:
“I therefore stand before you as the 40th Oba of Benin, a direct descendant of Oranmiyan, the son of Oduduwa."


OGIAMIEN :
"The Ekokpagha treaty clearly defined the status of Ogiamien as aborigine and permanent landlord while the Oba of Benin kingdom as a permanent tenant," High Chief Monday Wehere, director of information and external affairs of the Ogiamien family said on Tuesday.
Giving details of how the treaty came into existence, the family said Erebo was the king of Igodomigodo, now known as Benin, when Oramiyan from Ile-Ife, a Yoruba town, came to invade and forcefully took occupation of a certain portion of the kingdom.
"The Ogiamien is the custodian of the 32 previous Ogisos that had ruled Igodomigodo and the aborigine Binis for over 300 years before the forceful introduction of obaship against the decision of the aborigine Binis while the Oba of Benin (the family) are descendants of the sixth Ooni of Ife, Oba Oramiyan, the son of Okanbi.
"Therefore, it would be difficult for Ogiamien to pledge allegiance to an invader - Oba of Benin - who is also a tenant," the family added.

Continue in your opinion ,which isn't true as you have claimed there are no Yoruba settlement in Edo yet names are there for people to see.

Truth is bitter but a choice you have not. So swallow it as bitter as it is.

SicilianMafia:
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Oba Ewaures Coronation Speech



All this The great oba of Benin said in front of your useless ooni of Ife


Inferiority complex is strong in you that you had to result to cheap lies

Hahaha come on get out , you have been disgraced again

konoplyanka:


Yoruba still don't bear oba as a title. It's a general name of a king with each king having its own title.

SiicilianMafia:



The Same Owo that is heavily influenced by Benin?

We discuss with ur elders who know history not kids like you

GuidoVanRossum:

GuidoVanRossum:

historyworld031:
In germany you have (had) Keiser.
In rome you had Cezar.
In russia you had Tsar.
In england you have King.
In france you had Roi.
In mongolia you had Khan.
In egypt you had Pharoe.
In Benin Kingdom you have Oba (Omo n'Oba n'Edo)
in ife you have ooni.
in oyo you have Alafin.
...
Do you get me now ?


If the title of the Edo king means king in your language then you should ask yourself some questions about your history.
There is something obvious in here which you seem reluctant to see.

konoplyanka:


Well, you can't understand my perspective since you are not Yoruba. But I just told you what oba means to us. It's not a borrowed language it's a general term for a ruler. Even God is referred to as oba by the Yoruba. So stop talking what you don't understand. You could also say omo is borrowed from Edo cos I see omo in that title and could be roughly translated as son of the king of Edo. Iyeoba is also used by the Edo people to mean the king's mother. You could also say we borrowed iya from Edo too.

I'm from Owo and I can give you a lot of similarities between Edo and our language but I'm not interested. My grandma is from idogun which is around that Akoko edo axis and I know a lot about that area. But just stick to what you know.