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solite3:
Proofs that Jesus is Almighty God.
Only because Jesus Christ is Almighty God do we have reassurance that He can save His elect from eternal damnation and eternal torment.

1. Jesus IS the visible image of the Invisible God - Colossians 1:15, II Corinthians 4:4...to see Jesus is to see the Invisible God - Mankind was created IN the image of God - Genesis 1:26...Jesus IS the image of God. To see Jesus is to see the Invisible God in the flesh.

2. Jesus was conceived by God - Luke 1:35, Matthew 1:20. Since Mary was his earthy mother, that makes Jesus fully human..since God was His physical Father, since Jesus did not have an earthy father, that makes Jesus fully God. He was fully man and fully God. The Great Godman.

3. To see Jesus' face is to see the glory of God - II Corinthians 4:6

4. Jesus "being in the form of God" makes Him God - Philippians 2:6

5. Jesus being the brightness of the Father's glory - Hebrews 1:3

6. Jesus is the exact image of the Father's Person - Hebrews 1:3

7. That is why to "see Jesus" is to "see the Father" - John 14:9, John 12:45

8. That is why Jesus said He and His Father are one - John 10:30

9. Jesus is IN the bosom of the Father - John 1:18. Not "on" the bosom"..not "near" the bosom...IN the bosom...He is in the center of the Father. They are "one"
10. He is called EVERLASTING Father - Isaiah 9:6

11. Jesus deserves the SAME honour as the Father - John 5:23

12.Jesus was WORSHIPPED - Matthew 2:11, Matthew 9:12, Matthew 14:33, Matthew 28:9, Luke 24:52..Since only God is to be worshipped - Matthew 4:10..that means Jesus is God.

13. Even angels WORSHIP Jesus - Hebrews 1:6

14. Heaven falls down before the Lamb - Revelation 5:8

15. Jesus Created ALL things - Colossians 1:16, Hebrews 1:2, John 1:3, Ephesians 3:9 ....God created all things - Acts 14:15, Isaiah 45:18, Isaiah 44:24, Isaiah 42:5. Jesus is God

16. Jesus also made the world - John 1:10. Jesus is God - Isaiah 44:18

17. Jesus created all things for HIMSELF - Colossians 1:16, Proverbs 16:4(Jesus is God)

18. By Jesus all things consist - Colossians 1:17

19. Jesus upholds all things - Hebrews 1:3

20. Jesus is before all things - Colossians 1:17

21. Jesus rules heaven and earth - Matthew 28:18. Jesus is God - II Chronicles 29:11

22. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath - Mark 2:28, Luke 6:5

23. Jesus called Himself the Great "I AM" - John 8:58, John 8:24...a quote from Exodus 3:14

24. In the body of Jesus dwells the fullness of the Godhead - Colossians 2:9

25. The Father, Son and Holy Ghost are THREE and they are ONE - I John 5:7

26. And this is all why Jesus is EQUAL WITH GOD - Philippians 2:6

27. Jesus was "God manifest in the flesh" - I Timothy 3:16

28. God was in Christ - Galatians 3:17, II Corinthians 5:19

29. Jesus is the Power of God and the Wisdom of God - I Corinthians 1:24

30. Jesus "only" hath immortality - I Timothy 6:16

31. Jesus is Lord of the living and the dead - Romans 14:9

32. Jesus is called the Saviour - Luke 2:11, Titus 1:4, Titus 2:13, Titus 3:3, II Peter 1:1, II Peter 1:11, II Peter 2:20, II Peter 3:18, I John 4:14

33. Only Jehovah God alone is the Saviour - Isaiah 43:11, Isaiah 45:15 , Hosea 13:4, I Timothy 2:2, Jude 1:25...that means Jesus is God.

34. Jesus ALONE is the Great Judge - John 5:22. The Judge is God - Hebrews 12:23, Revelation 18:8, Hebrews 13:4, Romans 2:3,5 - Jesus is God. All the verses in the Bible that talk about God being the Judge refer to Jesus, since He alone judges. The Father
judges no man - John 5:22.

35. Jesus has the keys of hell and of death - Revelation 1:18. The one that can cast into hell is to be FEARED - Matthew 10:28, Luke 12:5 Only God is to be feared - Rev 14:7

36. Jesus is from EVERLASTING - Micah 5:2, Isaiah 9:6

37. Jesus has NO BEGINNING of days - Hebrews 7:3

38. Jesus is the SAME, yesterday, today and forever - Hebrews 13:8. A quote from Psalm 102:27. Jesus is God.

39. Jesus' is in the midst or the center of the throne of God - Rev 1:6

40. Jesus has the Greatest Name above every name ever named - Philippians 2:9

41. Jesus' name is the Greatest in the world to come as well - Ephesians 1:21

42. And it is before name of JESUS, not any other name including Jehovah, that the peoples of the earth and heaven and bowing before - Philippians 2:10. Jesus is God - Isaiah 45:22-23

43. Only by the name JESUS can one be saved - Acts 4:10-12

44. Jesus is called the Alpha and Omega - Revelation 1:11

45. Jesus who is the Alpha and Omega is the ALMIGHTY - Revelation 1:7-8

46. Jesus is called the King of kings - I Timothy 6:15. Jesus is the King - Zechariah 9:9. The King is God - I Timothy 1:17. Jesus is God

47. Jesus is called Lord of lords - I Timothy 6:15. God is called Lord of lords - Deut 10:17. Jesus is God

48. Christ is called the ROCK - I Corinthians 10:4. That is who Israel followed. The ROCK who Israel followed was GOD - Deut 32:3-4. - God is the Rock - Psalm 18:2 and only God is the Rock - Psalm 18:31. Christ is God.

49. Jesus calls Himself the FIRST AND THE LAST - Revelation 1:11,17. Only GOD is the FIRST AND THE LAST - Isaiah 44:6, Isaiah 48:12. Jesus is God.

50. Jesus knows all things (OMNIPOTENT) - John 2:24-25, John 4:29, John 6:64, John 16:30

51. Jesus is OMNIPRESENT - Matthew 18:20, Matthew 28:20

52. Jesus' body fills all (is omnipresent) - Ephesians 1:23

53. Jesus knows the hearts of men - Revelation 2:23

54. Jesus dwells in the hearts - Ephesians 3:17

55. And "liveth" in the believers - Galatians 2:20

56. Jesus knows the thoughts of men - Matthew 9:4, Luke 6:8

57. And Jesus will judge the "secrets" of men - Romans 2:16

58. God shed His blood - Acts 20:28

59. The cross is the "power of God" - I Corinthians 1:17-18

60. Jesus called the Kingdom of God His Kingdom - John 18:36

61. Jesus is the "Deliverer" of the believers from the wrath of God - I Thessalonians 1:10, Romans 11:26. Only God is the Deliverer from the wrath of God - II Corinthians 1:9-10

62. In Jesus' name we TRUST - Ephesians 1:12-13, Matthew 12:21, Philippians 2:19. Only in God do we trust - Psalm 4:5, 7:1, 31:1, 73:28, Isaiah 26:4. Jesus is God.

63. Jesus is the TRUTH - John 14:6. Jesus is God - Psalm 31:5

64. Jesus sent the prophets - Matthew 23:34...God sent the prophets - Jeremiah 7:25. Jesus is God who sent the prophets.

65. Jesus is the Stone of stumbling - I Peter 2:8. A prophesy from Isaiah 8:13-14. God is the stone of stumbling. Jesus is God.

66. God is the fountain of living waters - Jeremiah 17:13....Jesus is the fountain of living waters - John 4:10-14

67. Jesus brings reward to the wicked for their works - Matthew 16:27. Jesus is God - Psalm 54:4-5, II Samuel 3:39.

68. The reward of salvation is "with Jesus" - Revelation 22:12. Jesus is God - Isaiah 62:11, Isaiah 40:10

69. Jesus gave power to His people - Luke 9:1. Jesus is God - Psalm 68:35

70. Jesus is called the HOLY ONE - Acts 3:14. Jesus is God - Isaiah 30:15, Isaiah 40:25, Isaiah 41:14, Isaiah 43:15

71. Jesus is the light - John 8:12. Jesus is God - Psalm 27:1

72. Jesus is the Husband of believers - Revelation 19:7,9, 21:2, 21:9. Jesus is God - Isaiah 54:5

73. Jesus gives us rest - Matthew 11:28. Jesus is God - Exodus 33:14

74. Jesus gathers the sheep - John 10:16. Jesus is God - Ezekiel 34:11

75. Jesus seeks and saves that which is lost - Luke 19:10. Jesus is God - Ezekiel 34:16

76. Jesus is the Shepherd - John 10:11,14. Jesus is God - Psalm 23:1

77. Jesus feeds the people and causes them to sit down - Mark 8:5-10, Matthew 14:19-21. Jesus is God - Ezekiel 34:15

78. The blood of Jesus cleanses us from sin - I John 1:7. God cleanses from sin - Psalm 51:2, Ezekiel 36:25.. Jesus is God

79. Redemption is from Jesus Christ - Romans 3:24, Colossians 1:14. Redemption is from God - Psalm 130:7. Jesus is God

80. Christ is the Redeemer - Galatians 4:5, Galatians 3:13, Revelation 5:9, Titus 2:14. God is the Redeemer - Jeremiah 31:11, Isaiah 41:14, Isaiah 44:22, Isaiah 44:6, Isaiah 44:24. Jesus is God

81. Jesus wrote new commandments with His finger - John 8:5-9. This is to show that He is God who wrote the 10 commandments with His finger - Exodus 31:18

82. The Bible declares God. That God is Jesus who is written in all the scriptures - Luke 24:27, Luke 24:44, John 5:39, John 5:46

83. ALL things are by Jesus - I Corinthians 8:6

84. John the Baptist, the voice in the wilderness prepared the coming of the Lord - Matthew 3:3. A quote from Isaiah 40:3...He prepared the coming of Jehovah God!!!!

85. Jesus forgave sin - Matthew 9:2, Mark 2:5....and only GOD can forgive sins - Mark 2:7. Only God can forgive sin where they are atoned for it. Jesus is God.

86. Jesus forgave sins and healed diseases - Matthew 9:6. Only God can do that - Psalm 103:3

87. Jesus calmed the storm - Matthew 8:26...Only God can - Psalm 107:25

88. God was pierced - Zechariah 12:10...quoted again in John 19:37. Jesus is God

89. God was priced at 30 pieces of silver - Zechariah 11:12-13...quoted again in Matthew 27:9....Jesus is God.

90. Jesus returns again with His saints - I Thess. 3:13. A fulfillment of Zechariah 14:5 that says GOD will come with His saints. Jesus is God.

91. The Jews wanted Jesus killed for the crime of Blasphemy - Matthew 26:65. In their minds He claimed to be God - John 10:33, and Equal with God - John 5:18 and forgave as only God can do - Mark 2:7, Luke 5:21...that was blasphemy is their eyes - Mark 2:7,
Luke 5:21. Jesus by His words and actions claimed to be God...and that is why He was found guilty by the Jews of blasphemy.

92. Jesus raised Himself from the dead - John 2:19-21. John 10:17-18

93. Jesus will raise all the dead - John 6:39-40,44. God raises the dead both physically and spiritually - Ezekiel 37:12-14. Jesus is God

94. The Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ are one and the same. Christ is God - Romans 8:9

95. Jesus quickens (which means to make alive) - John 5:21. Only God can make someone alive - Ezekiel 37:5-6,9. Only God can quicken - Psalm 80:18. Jesus is God.

96. One cannot serve God and mammon - Matthew 6:24. Only God is to be served - Romans 1:9. The One we serve is Jesus Christ - Colossians 3:24.

97. Jesus is the one who "justifies" - Galatians 2:17. ONLY GOD can justifieth - Romans 8:33. Jesus is God.

98. Jesus "reveals" truth - Luke 10:22, Matthew 11:27. Only GOD can reveal truth - Philippians 3:15, I Corinthians 2:10. Jesus is God.

99. God will not share His glory with another - Isaiah 42:8, 48:11. But the Father glorifies the Son - John 17:1,5, John 12:23, John 13:31-32. Jesus is God and He is ONE with the Father.

100. ONLY in the name of JESUS is their salvation. There is salvation is NONE OTHER - Acts 4:10-12, II Timothy 2:10. And salvation belongs to GOD - Psalm 3:8, Jonah 2:9, Lamentations 3:26, Isaiah 52:10, Psalm 51:14. Since only in the name of Jesus is there
salvation and salvation belongs to God, that simply means Jesus is God.

101. Jesus chooses the elect - John 15:16. Jesus is God - I Thess. 2:13, I Cor. 1:27

102. Men are Jesus' disciples - John 13:35, John 15:8. Jesus is God - Isaiah 8:16

103. Jesus' voice is the sound of many waters - Revelation 1:15. Jesus is Almighty God - Ezekiel 43:2.

104. Jesus' feet are like fine brass - Revelation 1:15. Jesus is God - Ezekiel 1:7, Ezekiel 1:28

105. Jesus' name is the Word of God - Revelation 19:13

106. All grace comes from God - I Peter 5:10. Jesus is that God where all grace comes from - Rev 22:21, Romans 16:20, I Thess. 5:28, II Thess. 3:18

107. Jesus comes with clouds - Rev 1:7, Matthew 24:30 - Jesus is God - Isaiah 19:1, Jeremiah 4:13, Numbers 11:25

108. Jesus is called God - John 1:1, Hebrews 1:8

109. Jesus is called The Great God - Titus 2:13

110. Jesus is called The Mighty God - Isaiah 9:6

111. Jesus is called The True God - I John 5:20

112. Jesus is "God with us" - Matthew 1:21

113. Jesus is called "My God" - John 20:28. Since there is "no other God" - Isaiah 45:5,21-22..that means Jesus is that God.

114. Jesus is called "our hope" - I Timothy 1:1. We hope in Jesus - I Cor. 15:19. We are to only hope in God - I Peter 1:21, Psalm 38:15. Jesus is God.

115. Christ is our life - Colossians 3:4. Jesus is God - Psalm 42:8

116. Jesus is called Faithful - Revelation 19:11. Jesus is God - Deut 7:9

117. Jesus is called True - Revelation 19:11. Jesus is God - Romans 3:4

118. Israel temped Christ - I Corinthians 10:9. Jesus is God - Deut 6:16, Numbers 14:22.

119. Christ sent serpents and destroyed Israel - I Cor 10:9. Jesus is God - Numbers 21:6-7

120. Jesus rebukes and chastens - Revelation 3:19 - Jesus is God - Hebrews 12:5-7, Proverbs 3:11-12.

121. Jesus is the Author and Finisher of faith - Hebrews 12:2

122. God said "Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness" - Genesis 1:26. The plurality refers to the Trinity. This is not talking about the angels or heavenly host. Angels cannot create life. Secondly, nowhere is it indicated that angels are made in the image of
God. Third, there is no indication that mankind is created in the image of angels.

123. The plurality of the Trinity is also referred to in Genesis 3:22 and Isaiah 6:8. Jesus is God.

124. Before Jesus became man, He had glory with the Father before the world was - John 17:5

125. All things are given into Jesus' hand - John 3:35

126. Jesus is described as "WHICH WAS" dead, and "IS" alive - Revelation 2:8. The one who "which was" and "which is" is Almighty God - Revelation 4:8, Revelation 1:8. Jesus is God.

127. The "Great Day" of the Wrath of the Lamb - Revelation 6:16-17 is the "Great Day" of God Almighty - Revelation 16:14. Jesus is the Lamb who is God Almighty.

128. Jesus is the King - I Timothy 6:15, John 18:37. Jesus is the King who is called the "only wise God" - I Timothy 1:17

129. Jesus is called the "Just One" - Acts 22:14. Jesus is God - Isaiah 45:21

130. Jesus "gives" repentance - Acts 5:31, Acts 3:26. Jesus is God - II Timothy 2:25

131. Jesus reconciled all things to Himself - Colossians 1:20. Jesus is God - Romans 5:18-19

132. Jesus brings Judgment on the churches in Revelation 2 and 3. Jesus is God - Hebrews 10:30, Deuteronomy 32:35-36

133. God has a Father - Revelation 1:6. That God is Jesus Christ.

134. Jesus stilled the waves and rules the sea- Matthew 8:26-27, Mark 4:39-41. Jesus is God - Psalm 89:8-9

135. Jesus has eyes that are sent forth into all the earth - Revelation 5:6 - Jesus is God - II Chronicles 16:9

136. To know the love of Christ is to be filled with the fulness of God - Ephesians 3:19

137. Christ strengthens the believers - Philippians 4:13. Christ is God - Isaiah 40:29, Isaiah 41:10

138. In Christ's presence is fullness of joy - John 15:11. Jesus is God - Psalm 16:11

139. To see Jesus is to see the Father and to hate Jesus is to hate the Father as well - John 15:24, John 15:23

140. Jesus turns the water into wine - John 2:7-11. A creative act to show that Jesus is Creator God.

141. Jesus walks on water - John 6:19, Matthew 14:26, Mark 6:48 - Jesus is God - Psalm 93:4, Psalm 95:5, Psalm 72:8, Job 9:8

142. Jesus causes the blind to see - Matthew 9:27-30, Matthew 11:5, Mark 8:22-26, Mark 10:51-52. Jesus is God - Psalm 146:8, Isaiah 35:4-5

143. Jesus causes the deaf to hear - Matthew 11:5, Mark 7:32, Mark 7:37 - Jesus is God - Isaiah 35:4-5, Isaiah 43:7-8

144. Jesus causes the dumb to speak - Matthew 9:32-33, Matt 15:31, Mark 7:37, Luke 11:14. Jesus is God - Isaiah 36:6, Ezekiel 24:27, Ezekiel 33:22

145. Jesus causes the lame to walk - Matthew 11:5, Mark 2:11, Luke 7:22 - Jesus is God - Isaiah 35:6

146. Jesus' face shines as the sun - Matthew 17:2. Jesus is God - Psalm 84:11, Malachi 4:2

147. Jesus will inherit all nations - Psalm 2:7-8. Jesus is God - Psalm 82:8

148. Jesus will rule all nations with a rod of iron - Revelation 12:5. Jesus is God - Isaiah 14:5-6

149. Jesus will smite all nations with a rod or iron. He is the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God - Revelation 19:15. He is Almighty God who brings wrath.

150. Jesus and His Father established the ends of the earth - Proverbs 30:4

151. Jesus was without sin - II Corinthians 5:21, Hebrews 4:15, I Peter 2:22. Only God is without sin - Deuteronomy 32:4. Jesus is God

152. Jesus is ABOVE ALL - John 3:31

153. Jesus is GOD OVER ALL - Romans 9:5

154. Jesus is LORD OF ALL - Acts 10:36

155. The Lord God sent His angel to John - Rev 22:6. It is Jesus that sent His angel - Rev 22:16. Jesus is the Lord God.

156. Jesus is called the "Lord of Glory" - I Corinthians 2:8. Jesus is YHWH God - Psalm 24:8-10

157. Jesus gets glory now and forever - II Peter 3:18

158. The Father calls Jesus "LORD" who made heaven and earth - Hebrews 1:10

159. Heaven is God's throne and earth His FOOTSTOOL - Isaiah 66:1, Matthew 5:34-35. Jesus is God - Matthew 22:44, Hebrews 1:13

160. Every knee shall bow, and "every tongue" shall confess to GOD - Romans 14:11. The God "every tongue" is confessing to is JESUS CHRIST - Philippians 2:11

Regurgitating the same old lines, Why not add " He has a God he worship" .... of course that makes sense for an Almighty ?

Hairyrapunzel:
Is the Holy spirit a person or a force?

Why didn't this person know the time of the end ?


why didn't Yehsua mentioned it alongside other personalities like Father, Son, Angels ?


Why didn't he say even the holy spirit knows or doesn't know ?

( Matt 24 vs. 36 )

Peacefullove:
Regurgitating the same old lines, Why not add " He has a God he worship" .... of course that makes sense for an Almighty ?

how does that affect his being God Almighty? It does not make sense, so also the fact that God has no beginning, does not make sense. Infact a lot of things do not make sense but yet they are true.

Peacefullove:


Why didn't this person know the time of the end ?


why didn't Yehsua mentioned it alongside other personalities like Father, Son, Angels ?


Why didn't he say even the holy spirit knows or doesn't know ?

( Matt 24 vs. 36 )

Jesus doesn't need to, because the holy Spirit knows the mind of God.

1 Corinthians 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

Paying fees for orphans is exactly what you need at this time. You have to give back what you threw away in the past. I cannot be your primary school teacher at this age. Milk is for babies not grown men. If I start teaching you things as simple as pronouns at this age, we will not finish. Tell me your level of education so that we can meet 50/50.

If you want, I will give you links to famous quotes and books so that you can read up and flow with the tides of time. If you do not pay you will keep taking things for granted. Go back to your elementary school books or get a refund from your English teacher if you do not know this.

Hairyrapunzel:
When did paying school fees for orphans become elementary? If it's so elementary pay and see what your organization will do to you.

Where is the list of abstract things or forces that are described by using "He" or "Her" or "she" or "Him"

Well I was talking about force you chose to use abstract things instead. I don't know when abstract things became forces. I am still waiting for the list

I have never said that any Bible version is corrupted in its entirety. I have always been saying that some verses in some Bible versions are spurious. And for those verses that I mention, you will find and least 3-5 Catholic and Protestant Bible versions that corroborate what I said. Jesus said that narrow is the way that leads to life, not the main road. We dig deep to search for the truth about God.

I am using a very precise Greek interlinear. Who is the author of your source?

salvation101:
you do not agree with those bibles so y do u keep quoting them.. I would also like to know ur source of info where u saw that the word there wasn't supposed to be cristos but kyrios.

salvation101:


The Spirit clearly says that in the last times some will turn away from what we believe. They will obey spirits that tell lies. And they will follow the teachings of demons.
1Timothy 4:1 ERV..

Can a force talk?

If you had read this, you won't have been so much confused

2 Corinthian 3 vs 17 .

For the Lord is THE SPIRIT

solite3:
how does that affect his being God Almighty? it does not make sense, so also the fact that God has no beginning, does not make sense. Infact a lot of things do not make sense but yet they are true.

It's because you refuse to think, His Father never ever bow down to anyone as God . never worshipped anyone, Never even call anyone My God . that is what is called Almighty

But Jesus still bow down to someone , never an Almighty

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solite3:
Jesus doesn't need to, because the holy Spirit knows the mind of God.

1 Corinthians 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

Lmao , are you now comparing holy spirit to BREATH ? spirit of man is his breath, So holyspirit is Gods breath too ?

But Jesus doesn't know the mind of God ?

salvation101:
the dates you mentioned are just very recent. 19th and 20th century mostly.. History has it dat the name emanated in the 13th century so its not surprising..

Well, For the record, Yahweh is not the Tetragrammaton. It is a transliteration just as Jehovah is. The only difference is that Jehovah is in English. None of the apostles or disciple of Jesus used or wrote Yahweh as a word. No ancient text or manuscript contains the word, Yahweh. It was never documented.
It is not even the main Hebrew word used back in the days. This is a transliteration made by the neo-Jews.
The same thing is with Jesus. No one knows exactly how he was called in Hebrew. Not even the Jewish scholars yesterday or today. What you call as Jesus today was not the name that Jesus answered to when he was alive. What you call Jesus today is a translation of his Hebrew name, which is Yehoshua.

The clue to all these are many other names stemming from the Tetragrammaton like Jehonadab, Jehoiakim, Jehozadab, Jehoram etc. If these names were translated and accepted in English, why would you stick to a name that is not even English and not original Hebrew? Yahweh stands in between English and original Hebrew. It does not fall into any grammatic space as far as you and I are concerned. How do you sound a neo-Hebrew word using English syllable and stress pattern? You cannot achieve the actual sound and the meaning might be lost in it. Are you going to call Peter 'Petrus'? As in pet-roos or pet-ras? (I cannot get the phonetic symbols).

Think about it. This is the only name every anti-JW is refuting, why? There is something there.
If Jesus could come from Jehoshua to Iesous to Jesus, why can't people be open to using Jehovah which is an English name? Other aboriginal African languages translate and use Jehovah. Even Yoruba and Igbo Bible use it.

English did not become a thing in the days of the Roman empire. English only came on when the Roman empire disintegrated and individual leaders sparsed out. Even after the glorious days of the Romans, it also took hundreds of years before English was recognised as a language of the elites or scholars.

So, if you are looking for any popular formal document prior to that time, look away from the English language. You will not find it because the English themselves were not taught in the English language.

Latin, French and German were already paramount means of communication before English. The name Jesus was not even in use until hundreds of years after, and Jehovah was already translated into English.

I want to ask you. When was Yahweh transliterated from the Tetragrammaton? What year?

Hairyrapunzel:
You hate Catholics cos their doctrines are not biblical. What about Your doctrines that are derived from assumptions? The way you came about yours that's how they deduced theirs.

Always assuming.

No one ever told you that we hate anyone. Love always trumps hate. We love you. I know that you are Catholic that is why you are fighting with your lifeline.
Have no fear little one. You are not a target.
You can catch some sleep now. Okay!

Hairyrapunzel:


I repeat Holy Spirit.

, I guess Evil spirit is also a personal name ?

You just no get sense, I now see why someone was saying you should go back to elementary school

Ubenedictus:
you just called a group of people and their belief 'Babylon the great', yet you still say you don't think Catholicism is bad?

I did not judge you. I did not make up the phrase 'Babylon the great'. Are you mad that I am using a Bible phrase?

I only said that we came out of Babylon the great. 'Babylon the great' to any Jehovahs Witness is not Roman Catholic, 'it is the world empire of false religion'.

So, do not feel judged. Do you have any feeling of guilt?

I just want to say that on this thread, there are mature minds around. It would be better if you construct sentences and back it up with the scriptures.
Posting all these scriptural verses does not synchronize your thought or doctrine.

solite3:
take note no one has seen God in the past, no man can see God as a Spirit but God came in flesh and all who saw him saw his glory.
1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
No man has seen God before he became flesh but know Jesus has revealed/declared him.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

1 John 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

1:3 That which we[b] have seen[/b] and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

Take note those that have seen the Son has automatically seen the Father.
Why? The Son and the Father are absolutely one.

John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

So, is it difficult for you to answer?

solite3:
I gave you verses that points to Jesus as Almighty God

He gave you an opinion and you went so low to attack him.
If you have a problem with New York, why not make the trip and address your grievances to the right men?

Hairyrapunzel:
Park well Mr learned brainwashed feller. If you like o cry wolf. Magazine lover. Assumption follower and indoctrinated learned robot keep quiet. With All your learnedness you are still a brainwashed follower of a cult and you are still in bondage. Learned feller that thinks if he goes against the wishes of seven old men in new York he will be killed by his all loving Jehovah.
Robot. Face front.

Hairyrapunzel:
These people did not use Jehovah 237 times in the new testament. They did not put Jehovah where cristos was found in the original Greek manuscript. They put Christ, Messiah or Lord. You decided to put Jehovah to remove all Glory attached to Jesus.

Do you know some people who totally removed the name over 7000 times? Can you tell me?

Hairyrapunzel:
The other translations did not use the word God. They used either Christ, Messiah or Lord. Why insert Jehovah when kyrios doesn't mean Jehovah isn't that a spurious insertion? Your bible is corrupted yet you accuse other translations for this crime.
Your religion amazes me. How they can lie and twist words and force you to swallow without asking questions is incredible. Their followers are indeed robots

So why is there disparity at all?

Can you explain what Jesus is saying in
John 5:37
King James 2000 Bible
And the Father himself, who has sent me, has borne witness of me. You have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his form.

solite3:
I gave you verses that points to Jesus as Almighty God

tamethem:
And if He is the son of God what is He. My Dog last month gave birth to dogs and yesterday my hen hatched the eggs and guess what came out of the eggs chickens that I can equally call hens.

Now if he is the son of God I guess he is is supposed to be God.

There are many things we think we know but really don't know we don't know. You can't explain the Oneness of God and Christ. They are two different people that are One and can't be separated.

Like you can't explain how God remains present in all places at all times so also you can't explain the oneness of God and Christ with your human logic. So there are many things you should not worry yourself about else you'd end up an atheist.

Oga through out the entire bible did Christ or his disciples ever called or refer to himself as God the son?

Did you know what that phrase implies?

The oneness of God is not debatable, Deu 6:4 was very clear with that. Jesus Christ repeated it in Mark 12:29

Hairyrapunzel:
Park well Mr learned brainwashed feller. If you like o cry wolf. Magazine lover. Assumption follower and indoctrinated learned robot keep quiet. With All your learnedness you are still a brainwashed follower of a cult and you are still in bondage. Learned feller that thinks if he goes against the wishes of seven old men in new York he will be killed by his all loving Jehovah.
Robot. Face front.

Is John 20:17 based on assumption?

Maamin:
Oga through out the entire bible did Christ or his disciples ever called or refer to himself as God the son?

Did you know what that phrase implies?

The oneness of God is not debatable, Deu 6:4 was very clear with that. Jesus Christ repeated it in Mark 12:29

@tamethem also in John 5:44

aigboeben
John 1:18
King James Bible
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Can you explain this?

achorladey:
Is John 20:17 based on assumption?

Na wa o. There is one true God. Jesus is God from my own understanding but from your own interpretation Jesus is a god that's why I say your beliefs are based on assumption. I never said there are two true gods.

removetheturban:
So why is there disparity at all?

There is no disparity anywhere. You decided to remove Christ from that verse and insert Jehovah which was never there. Don't cover up your spurious insertions in the Bible.

Hairyrapunzel:
Na wa o. There is one true God. Jesus is God from my own understanding but from your own interpretation Jesus is a god that's why I say your beliefs are based on assumption. I never said there are two true gods.

Did Jesus say there are two true gods?

removetheturban:
I did not judge you. I did not make up the phrase 'Babylon the great'. Are you mad that I am using a Bible phrase?

I only said that we came out of Babylon the great. 'Babylon the great' to any Jehovahs Witness is not Roman Catholic, 'it is the world empire of false religion'.

So, do not feel judged. Do you have any feeling of guilt?

.but you consider Catholic church as Babylon the great. You made up the assumed sentence that Catholic church is Babylon the great.
You are already judging. your organization is Babylon the great.

Christ was never there as well. So, why did you insert in Christ in that verse?

What is the holy spirit to you?

Hairyrapunzel:
There is no disparity anywhere. You decided to remove Christ from that verse and insert Jehovah which was never there. Don't cover up your spurious insertions in the Bible.

would you consider yourself judging now?

You are a Catholic and you lied that you were a JW. How low can you go just to score cheap points to blaspheme the JW. I see how you defend the Catholics with your life. You do not know or understand the core doctrines of the JW. Even a JW 'child' knows what's what.

Catholics are not enemies of JW. We do not play the dog race. We focus not on the organisation but the doctrines and message. In case you did not know your history, you had your first war with the Muslims and then the Orthodox and then the Protestants. There has never been a battle between Catholics and the JW. We have always been the subjected and reviled one. Hitler was a Catholic and he swore to wipe us out. He burnt and killed so many Jehovah's witnesses but here we are in 2018, almost 8.5 million 'active' JW proclaiming the words of Jehovah in '240' countries. Can you beat that? And where is Hitler today? This is 72 years after Hitler's sordid death.

You were very active posting "copy and paste" from blogs. It turns out that your own knowledge of the Bible is only blasphemy against the JW copied from blogs. And you are a nice guy who could have channelled his energy the right way. You have been on Nairaland for a long time and I wonder what you are doing in a religion section apart from making irreligious comments and promoting your vendetta against the JW.

You are not able to answer simple Bible-based questions. Your responses are simply insults and denigrating statements against the JW. defend your own doctrine if you truly believe in it. Answer my questions!

At Jesus baptism when the Holy Spirit came down from heaven in the form of a dove, did it come as the holy spirit or did it come in flesh thereby leaving its godliness in heaven?

The holy spirit was sent by Jesus from God to the earth, since then has it returned? If not where is it today? It was seen as fire by the disciples of Jesus. It came as a dove upon Jesus. It came as burning fire to Moses. Why did the Bible ask us to pray for the father to give us holy spirit?

In your doctrinal depiction of the holy spirit etched on your church walls and used in your books, he has the structure of a man and the face of a man. Did the Bible ever describe the holy spirit that way?

Did anyone ever see the face of the father? If not, why did you design it as the face of a man?

Hairyrapunzel:
.but you consider Catholic church as Babylon the great. You made up the assumed sentence that Catholic church is Babylon the great.
You are already judging. your organization is Babylon the great.

removetheturban:
Well, For the record, Yahweh is not the Tetragrammaton. It is a transliteration just as Jehovah is. The only difference is that Jehovah is in English. None of the apostles or disciple of Jesus used or wrote Yahweh as a word. No ancient text or manuscript contains the word, Yahweh. It was never documented.

All this just to discredit the use of Yahweh and justify the use of Jehovah which originated and was popularised by people you consider pagans. Yahweh is a transliteration of YHWH while Jehovah is an anglicised form of yahowah ie probably A transliteration of yahowah. But the ancient scripts had יהוה‬ in Hebrew and YHWH in Latin. Jehovah is just a mispronunciation.
No ancient script had Jehovah either. Therefore the Jehovah written all over your bible even in the Greek manuscript were it was never found are just spurious insertions. Your bible is corrupted.

It is not even the main Hebrew word used back in the days. This is a transliteration made by the neo-Jews.
The same thing is with Jesus. No one knows exactly how he was called in Hebrew. Not even the Jewish scholars yesterday or today. What you call as Jesus today was not the name that Jesus answered to when he was alive. What you call Jesus today is a translation of his Hebrew name, which is Yehoshua.

The blame game will not save you. Jesus pronunciation is very clear. In the case of jesus, they knew the name and pronunciation in Greek, Latin and Hebrew. Pronunciation was never a problem. People who coined the name of Jehovah were not sure of the spelling or pronunciation till date we ain't sure. Some scholars agree while others disagree. I have never read where the name "Jesus" caused disagreement amongst scholars.

The clue to all these are many other names stemming from the Tetragrammaton like Jehonadab, Jehoiakim, Jehozadab, Jehoram etc. If these names were translated and accepted in English, why would you stick to a name that is not even English and not original Hebrew?

What sort of dumb and fallacious reasoning is this? They were accepted because they were being pronounced in Hebrew, greek and latin. Jews don't even pronounce YHWH, so how will you form an English word from a word that has no Hebrew, greek or latin pronunciation and expect it to be correct?

Yahweh stands in between English and original Hebrew. It does not fall into any grammatic space as far as you and I are concerned. How do you sound a neo-Hebrew word using English syllable and stress pattern? You cannot achieve the actual sound and the meaning might be lost in it. Are you going to call Peter 'Petrus'? As in pet-roos or pet-ras? (I cannot get the phonetic symbols

Therefore, you now want to justify using an English word that the scholars who coined it are not even sure of. So it is now the assumed English word that the actual sound and meaning might be regained?
Well, thank God you used the word "might" it shows you are not certain about your reasons. It is expected of watchtower to hide under uncertainty yet claim accuracy of facts. Its obvious that this your reasoning is likely to change in future.

Think about it. This is the only name every anti-JW is refuting, why? There is something there.
If Jesus could come from Jehoshua to Iesous to Jesus, why can't people be open to using Jehovah which is an English name? Other aboriginal African languages translate and use Jehovah. Even Yoruba and Igbo Bible use it.

You now want to lie on anti jws heads. They do not refute the name Jehovah. They have continuously told you that anti jws refute the name. Let me give you the reasons why.
You can't force people to accept that in other to worship God, you must use the name Jehovah. This is a big lie. First of all Jehovah is an anglicised form of Yahowah and People who coined the name Jehovah are not even sure.
Every language has its name for God. Jehovah is English bro.

English did not become a thing in the days of the Roman empire. English only came on when the Roman empire disintegrated and individual leaders sparsed out. Even after the glorious days of the Romans, it also took hundreds of years before English was recognised as a language of the elites or scholars

All these ones just to hide the fact that the name Jehovah was coined just in the 16th century by pagans.
All these ones na assumptions. Combination of two different and separate historical facts like they happened in succession or were dependent on each other. Latin was the language of elites in Rome at least YHWH is Latin. No pronunciation though.

So, if you are looking for any popular formal document prior to that time, look away from the English language. You will not find it because the English themselves were not taught in the English language.

The Greek manuscript that was translated to English does not have Jehovah.

Latin, French and German were already paramount means of communication before English. The name Jesus was not even in use until hundreds of years after, and Jehovah was already translated into English.

Liar. The letter j was introduced into English language in the 16th century. But the name Jesus had its pronunciation in tact.
"The name Jesus was not even in use until hundreds of years after, and Jehovah was already translated into English"
You are deceitful when you make this statement like this. History has it that the name Jesus was well in use in the Bible. You make it seem like the word Jehovah was translated into English language way before Jesus. Another lie spotted.
By the time the New Testament was written, the Septuagint had already transliterated ישוע Yeshua` into Koine Greek as closely as possible in the 3rd-century BCE, the result being Ἰησοῦς Iēsous.
The consensus among scholars is that the historical vocalization of the Tetragrammaton at the time of the redaction of the Torah (6th century BCE) is most likely Yahweh. The historical vocalization was lost because in Second Temple Judaism, during the 3rd to 2nd centuries BCE, the pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton came to be avoided, being substituted with Adonai ("my Lord". The Hebrew vowel points of Adonai were added to the Tetragrammaton by the Masoretes, and the resulting form was transliterated around the 12th century as Yehowah.[1] The derived forms Iehouah and Jehovah first appeared in the 16th century.

Iehouah and Jehovah first appeared in the 16th century yehowah in the 12th century and yaweh in the 6th century while lesous was already in use by the 3rd century. Jesus was introduced in the 16th thesame time with Jehovah when use of the letter " j"commenced.

I want to ask you. When was Yahweh transliterated from the Tetragrammaton? What year?

Jws and their deceitful statement. Your Jehovah what year was it introduced into the bible?


Jehovah" was popularized in the English-speaking world by William Tyndale and other pioneer English Protestant translations such as the Geneva Bible and the King James Version.

The name Jehovah was mainly used by the English Protestant translations people you consider pagans, non jws, worldly, wicked and unrighteous.

My own is any name of God in any language is fine. Conditioning people to think that it is by only use of the name Jehovah you define true worship is wrong because it is a lie meant to keep people in bondage. As Jehovah was coined by years and years of guess work by people that your organization consider pagans.
From this your explanation you only degraded the name Yahweh and the only place you put Jehovah made it look like it was the main name since the time of the Jews.

Your Jehovah failed to keep his name in his word for thousands of years. Your Jehovah omitted his name from his inspired book only to direct pagans to put it back in the 16th century for Jehovah witnesses to start using from 1935 and to incorporate in their Bible in 1960. Your religion is a big joke.
If you like o argue that because the bible you use is in English, therefore Jehovah is appropriate because it is the English Protestant pagans that invented the name and Jesus. This your argument may seem OK but when you look deeper the pronunciation of Jesus was known from time immemorial both in Greek and Latin so it's easy to translate to English whereas, the word Jehovah was gotten from a word that has an unknown pronunciation till date. A word that was coined via guess work that's a name you use in worship. If its catholics or christians you tag them babylon the great. You people are jokers. No wonder you are still in bondage.

Just to discredit Yahweh you just write a biased epistle. You use a word whose pronunciation is far from the YHWH itself.
Scholars say Yahweh is the most appropriate name.

removetheturban:
would you consider yourself judging now?

You are a Catholic and you lied that you were a JW. How low can you go just to score cheap points to blaspheme the JW. I see how you defend the Catholics with your life. You do not know or understand the core doctrines of the JW. Even a JW 'child' knows what's what.

Catholics are not enemies of JW. We do not play the dog race. We focus not on the organisation but the doctrines and message. In case you did not know your history, you had your first war with the Muslims and then the Orthodox and then the Protestants. There has never been a battle between Catholics and the JW. We have always been the subjected and reviled one. Hitler was a Catholic and he swore to wipe us out. He burnt and killed so many Jehovah's witnesses but here we are in 2018, almost 8.5 million 'active' JW proclaiming the words of Jehovah in '240' countries. Can you beat that? And where is Hitler today? This is 72 years after Hitler's sordid death.

You were very active posting "copy and paste" from blogs. It turns out that your own knowledge of the Bible is only blasphemy against the JW copied from blogs. And you are a nice guy who could have channelled his energy the right way. You have been on Nairaland for a long time and I wonder what you are doing in a religion section apart from making irreligious comments and promoting your vendetta against the JW.

You are not able to answer simple Bible-based questions. Your responses are simply insults and denigrating statements against the JW. defend your own doctrine if you truly believe in it. Answer my questions!

At Jesus baptism when the Holy Spirit came down from heaven in the form of a dove, did it come as the holy spirit or did it come in flesh thereby leaving its godliness in heaven?

The holy spirit was sent by Jesus from God to the earth, since then has it returned? If not where is it today? It was seen as fire by the disciples of Jesus. It came as a dove upon Jesus. It came as burning fire to Moses. Why did the Bible ask us to pray for the father to give us holy spirit?

In your doctrinal depiction of the holy spirit etched on your church walls and used in your books, he has the structure of a man and the face of a man. Did the Bible ever describe the holy spirit that way?

Did anyone ever see the face of the father? If not, why did you design it as the face of a man?

My responses are not insults. If you can call christian churches Babylon the great be ready to accept the name Babylon the great. I repeat your organization is the Babylon the great. Which of your core doctrines are bible based again. Jesus is a god is not bible based it is assumption based. Assumer