removetheturban:
Not really! The deal is that I have been on the other side just like you and eventually embraced the JW because we searched the scriptures and saw the light. My grandparents were staunch voodooists. My father was a good Catholic who accepted voodoo. I come from that line of thought, especially Catholicism.
I am well grounded in many doctrines but the Bible is my power. My relatives abhor the JW like toxic fleas and I can get it because I was on the other side years ago. I approach them and we get on really fine but religion is the thin line between us.
I have friends who have an even cruel ideology about the JW but we still hang out and enjoy some coffee.

With that in mind, I do not condemn or judge. Believe me, I do not have the right to do that. I speak what I know is proven and justified. Not to judge but to share.

If you followed me closely, you would have noticed that I only speak against a few verses. The Bible contains over 31,000 verses and out of all, I pick out a handful that is actually spurious. It is left for you to ensure that you know what you believe in for real. The interest has to come from you out of love for God to dig deeper like the Bereans.

i understand you and i appreciate your honesty most of the time and how u tackle questions instead of avoiding dem like some ppl. But u still avnt been able to convince me as to why you think the word cristos can be replaced with Jehovah or why u think it was inserted. U believe the canon of scripture as compiled by the Christian fathers but u do not believe the words in dem, does dat make sense? There are a lot of writings dat would av been qualified to fit into d bible but these Christian fathers selected the canons and dat is d same canon u r using but u do not believe the words in dem.. Why?

I will send you the account number of an Orphanage so that you will start paying school fees there.

I am tired of teaching a grown man elementary things and I guess if you pay for them you would appreciate them more

Hairyrapunzel:


I repeat Holy Spirit. I said force not abstract things Hope you are aware? Ok list the abstract things that take up a pronoun ascribed to a gender.

Look! Quoting me invariably does not work at all. follow one line of conversation. You cannot jump into my conversation rudely and expect me to catch up. We have no line of thought in that direction and my responses might not blend in. If you want to converse with me, stay on a particular line of thought with me.

You are jumping into my conversation with someone else without proper knowledge of how we get there. You do not follow up that way. You can quote neutrally and if I feel the need to give an answer, I would.

So, stay in a line of thought with me or be consistent if you want a conversation.

You ubiquitous comments are unsavoury.

Hairyrapunzel:


But the spirit clearly states

It was written to the church.

salvation101:
of course there were Christians from both Jewish and gentile backgrounds but was the letter written to the jews or to the church?

The Scriptures do at times personify the Holy Spirit, but this does not prove that the Holy Spirit is a person.



Proverbs 1:20 "True wisdom cries aloud in the street. It keeps raising its voice in the public squares". Romans 5:21 To what end? So that just as[b] sin ruled as king[/b] with death, so also[b] undeserved kindness might rule as king[/b] through righteousness leading to everlasting life through Jesus Christ our Lord

You may wonder how the above happens. They cannot literally happen but they have practical significances to those who have discernment.

Psalm 33:6 By the word of Jehovah the heavens were made, And by the spirit of his mouth everything in them.

You can see from the above that his breathe is the spirit; his force.

The spirit can also mean an angel.
1 Kings 22:21 Then a spirit came forward and stood before Jehovah and said, ‘I will fool him.’ Jehovah asked him, ‘How will you do it?’

I said that the holy spirit is God's active force.

salvation101:
good, "The Spirit clearly says ", but u said the spirit is a force so does a force talk?

Hairyrapunzel:


What about your doctrines on not joining military, not voting,refusing blood transfusion, shunning, reporting number of hours preached on paper, not celebrating birthdays, not celebrating Christmas, easter,new year,Thanksgiving, memorial, national holidays, saying your organization is the only way to salvation, calling your organization the truth,the way and the life, saying those 7 old men in new York are the only means of communication between God and man today, baptising people in the name of a spirit directed organization, judicial committee, governing body, the list is endless?

Remove the log in your eyes before you remove the spec in someone else's eye.
You don't judge but your organization has judged all religions as false. You don't judge yet you preach that billions of non jws will die in Armageddon and vultures will eat their corpses in your new system.
Stop lying.

This is where he is heading to all this while @removetheturban. These are his type of discussion. Yet he "keeps missing the point" and that is where true danger lies. He is a simply not in tandem. He is "parroting" as well.

Thanks for the compliment. I really appreciate it especially coming you. And, I do appreciate your comments as well. Thank you for holding it down. It takes a brave mind to do that with such sanity. Most people would have gone violent and aggressive but you still play it mature and spiritual.

concerning those men who preserved the word of God for us, we are truly grateful to them and we give the glory to our father, Jehovah. We actually cover many of these men in our watchtower and awake articles. Nevertheless, not that we refute all works but due to intense research and study, we have been able to unearth the disparity in some versions of the Bible. I want you to understand that there is a difference between version and translation. Many of the Bibles that you see today are simply versions and not Bible translations.
Our NWT is called The New World [b]Translation [/b]and not version because we went right from the beginning to get accuracy and not copy verbatim from an existing work. Since 1611 when the KJV was released, (though hugely copied from Tyndale's work and other existing versions. The major difference is the simple English and grammar) many things have been discovered. Most notable is the dead sea scroll found in 1947. That was about 70 years ago. This evidently calls for editing of some Bible versions but they are adamant to the discovery.

It depends on the actual Greek text that you are using. Believe me, some verses are either inserted or corrupted. This is an effort to cover a mistake or initiate a deviation. This actual verse does not have Jesus in it. I posted a few other verses that the word Kristo was also added. We do not have a problem with Jesus and we do not believe that he is equal with the father.
The truth is that kristo was never there in that verse. What was there was Kyrios (Lord) and if you dig deeper you will find it. Proper research will prove this to you. This is why I sent you other Pentecostal and Catholic Bibles that did not honor the inclusion of the name, Jesus in that verse.

salvation101:
i understand you and i appreciate your honesty most of the time and how u tackle questions instead of avoiding dem like some ppl. But u still avnt been able to convince me as to why you think the word cristos can be replaced with Jehovah or why u think it was inserted. U believe the canon of scripture as compiled by the Christian fathers but u do not believe the words in dem, does dat make sense? There are a lot of writings dat would av been qualified to fit into d bible but these Christian fathers selected the canons and dat is d same canon u r using but u do not believe the words in dem.. Why?

Yeah! I have kept him tamed for a while now. He cannot stay on a topic. He is just ubiquitous on all topics at the same time. He only dragged me when I newly came on here. He will not have a second opportunity to drag me that low anymore. Whatever topic he wants to discuss, I accept but no zig-zagging on this thread anymore. He must stay on a topic with me.

achorladey:

This is where he is heading to all this while @removetheturban. These are his type of discussion. Yet he "keeps missing the point" and that is where true danger lies. He is a simply not in tandem. He is "parroting" as well.

Thanks for checking him

salvation101:
good, "The Spirit clearly says ", but u said the spirit is a force so does a force talk?

Can you explain Luke 18:19Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
19 Jesus said to him, “Why do you call me good? Only God is good.

Again, I want you to know that we are not the only ones who have spotted this discrepancy and made the changes.

Based upon some evidence, many Bible translators have felt that the divine name should be restored when they translate the New Testament.

For example, many African, American, Asian, and Pacific-island language versions of the New Testament use the divine name, Jehovah liberally. Some of these translations have appeared recently, such as the Rotuman Bible (1999), which uses the name Jihova 51 times in 48 verses of the New Testament, and the Batak-Toba version (1989) from Indonesia, which uses the name Jahowa 110 times in the New Testament. The divine name has appeared, too, in French, German, and Spanish translations. For instance, Pablo Besson translated the New Testament into Spanish in the early 20th century. His translation uses Jehová at Jude 14, and nearly 100 footnotes suggest the divine name as a likely rendering.

Below are some examples of English translations that have used God’s name in the New Testament:

A Literal Translation of the New Testament . . . From the Text of the Vatican Manuscript, by Herman Heinfetter (1863)

The Emphatic Diaglott, by Benjamin Wilson (1864)

The Epistles of Paul in Modern English, by George Barker Stevens (1898)

St. Paul’s Epistle to the Romans, by W. G. Rutherford (1900)

The Christian’s Bible—New Testament, by George N. LeFevre (1928)

The New Testament Letters, by J.W.C. Wand, Bishop of London (1946)

salvation101:
i understand you and i appreciate your honesty most of the time and how u tackle questions instead of avoiding dem like some ppl. But u still avnt been able to convince me as to why you think the word cristos can be replaced with Jehovah or why u think it was inserted. U believe the canon of scripture as compiled by the Christian fathers but u do not believe the words in dem, does dat make sense? There are a lot of writings dat would av been qualified to fit into d bible but these Christian fathers selected the canons and dat is d same canon u r using but u do not believe the words in dem.. Why?

Proofs that Jesus is Almighty God.
Only because Jesus Christ is Almighty God do we have reassurance that He can save His elect from eternal damnation and eternal torment.

1. Jesus IS the visible image of the Invisible God - Colossians 1:15, II Corinthians 4:4...to see Jesus is to see the Invisible God - Mankind was created IN the image of God - Genesis 1:26...Jesus IS the image of God. To see Jesus is to see the Invisible God in the flesh.

2. Jesus was conceived by God - Luke 1:35, Matthew 1:20. Since Mary was his earthy mother, that makes Jesus fully human..since God was His physical Father, since Jesus did not have an earthy father, that makes Jesus fully God. He was fully man and fully God. The Great Godman.

3. To see Jesus' face is to see the glory of God - II Corinthians 4:6

4. Jesus "being in the form of God" makes Him God - Philippians 2:6

5. Jesus being the brightness of the Father's glory - Hebrews 1:3

6. Jesus is the exact image of the Father's Person - Hebrews 1:3

7. That is why to "see Jesus" is to "see the Father" - John 14:9, John 12:45

8. That is why Jesus said He and His Father are one - John 10:30

9. Jesus is IN the bosom of the Father - John 1:18. Not "on" the bosom"..not "near" the bosom...IN the bosom...He is in the center of the Father. They are "one"
10. He is called EVERLASTING Father - Isaiah 9:6

11. Jesus deserves the SAME honour as the Father - John 5:23

12.Jesus was WORSHIPPED - Matthew 2:11, Matthew 9:12, Matthew 14:33, Matthew 28:9, Luke 24:52..Since only God is to be worshipped - Matthew 4:10..that means Jesus is God.

13. Even angels WORSHIP Jesus - Hebrews 1:6

14. Heaven falls down before the Lamb - Revelation 5:8

15. Jesus Created ALL things - Colossians 1:16, Hebrews 1:2, John 1:3, Ephesians 3:9 ....God created all things - Acts 14:15, Isaiah 45:18, Isaiah 44:24, Isaiah 42:5. Jesus is God

16. Jesus also made the world - John 1:10. Jesus is God - Isaiah 44:18

17. Jesus created all things for HIMSELF - Colossians 1:16, Proverbs 16:4(Jesus is God)

18. By Jesus all things consist - Colossians 1:17

19. Jesus upholds all things - Hebrews 1:3

20. Jesus is before all things - Colossians 1:17

21. Jesus rules heaven and earth - Matthew 28:18. Jesus is God - II Chronicles 29:11

22. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath - Mark 2:28, Luke 6:5

23. Jesus called Himself the Great "I AM" - John 8:58, John 8:24...a quote from Exodus 3:14

24. In the body of Jesus dwells the fullness of the Godhead - Colossians 2:9

25. The Father, Son and Holy Ghost are THREE and they are ONE - I John 5:7

26. And this is all why Jesus is EQUAL WITH GOD - Philippians 2:6

27. Jesus was "God manifest in the flesh" - I Timothy 3:16

28. God was in Christ - Galatians 3:17, II Corinthians 5:19

29. Jesus is the Power of God and the Wisdom of God - I Corinthians 1:24

30. Jesus "only" hath immortality - I Timothy 6:16

31. Jesus is Lord of the living and the dead - Romans 14:9

32. Jesus is called the Saviour - Luke 2:11, Titus 1:4, Titus 2:13, Titus 3:3, II Peter 1:1, II Peter 1:11, II Peter 2:20, II Peter 3:18, I John 4:14

33. Only Jehovah God alone is the Saviour - Isaiah 43:11, Isaiah 45:15 , Hosea 13:4, I Timothy 2:2, Jude 1:25...that means Jesus is God.

34. Jesus ALONE is the Great Judge - John 5:22. The Judge is God - Hebrews 12:23, Revelation 18:8, Hebrews 13:4, Romans 2:3,5 - Jesus is God. All the verses in the Bible that talk about God being the Judge refer to Jesus, since He alone judges. The Father
judges no man - John 5:22.

35. Jesus has the keys of hell and of death - Revelation 1:18. The one that can cast into hell is to be FEARED - Matthew 10:28, Luke 12:5 Only God is to be feared - Rev 14:7

36. Jesus is from EVERLASTING - Micah 5:2, Isaiah 9:6

37. Jesus has NO BEGINNING of days - Hebrews 7:3

38. Jesus is the SAME, yesterday, today and forever - Hebrews 13:8. A quote from Psalm 102:27. Jesus is God.

39. Jesus' is in the midst or the center of the throne of God - Rev 1:6

40. Jesus has the Greatest Name above every name ever named - Philippians 2:9

41. Jesus' name is the Greatest in the world to come as well - Ephesians 1:21

42. And it is before name of JESUS, not any other name including Jehovah, that the peoples of the earth and heaven and bowing before - Philippians 2:10. Jesus is God - Isaiah 45:22-23

43. Only by the name JESUS can one be saved - Acts 4:10-12

44. Jesus is called the Alpha and Omega - Revelation 1:11

45. Jesus who is the Alpha and Omega is the ALMIGHTY - Revelation 1:7-8

46. Jesus is called the King of kings - I Timothy 6:15. Jesus is the King - Zechariah 9:9. The King is God - I Timothy 1:17. Jesus is God

47. Jesus is called Lord of lords - I Timothy 6:15. God is called Lord of lords - Deut 10:17. Jesus is God

48. Christ is called the ROCK - I Corinthians 10:4. That is who Israel followed. The ROCK who Israel followed was GOD - Deut 32:3-4. - God is the Rock - Psalm 18:2 and only God is the Rock - Psalm 18:31. Christ is God.

49. Jesus calls Himself the FIRST AND THE LAST - Revelation 1:11,17. Only GOD is the FIRST AND THE LAST - Isaiah 44:6, Isaiah 48:12. Jesus is God.

50. Jesus knows all things (OMNIPOTENT) - John 2:24-25, John 4:29, John 6:64, John 16:30

51. Jesus is OMNIPRESENT - Matthew 18:20, Matthew 28:20

52. Jesus' body fills all (is omnipresent) - Ephesians 1:23

53. Jesus knows the hearts of men - Revelation 2:23

54. Jesus dwells in the hearts - Ephesians 3:17

55. And "liveth" in the believers - Galatians 2:20

56. Jesus knows the thoughts of men - Matthew 9:4, Luke 6:8

57. And Jesus will judge the "secrets" of men - Romans 2:16

58. God shed His blood - Acts 20:28

59. The cross is the "power of God" - I Corinthians 1:17-18

60. Jesus called the Kingdom of God His Kingdom - John 18:36

61. Jesus is the "Deliverer" of the believers from the wrath of God - I Thessalonians 1:10, Romans 11:26. Only God is the Deliverer from the wrath of God - II Corinthians 1:9-10

62. In Jesus' name we TRUST - Ephesians 1:12-13, Matthew 12:21, Philippians 2:19. Only in God do we trust - Psalm 4:5, 7:1, 31:1, 73:28, Isaiah 26:4. Jesus is God.

63. Jesus is the TRUTH - John 14:6. Jesus is God - Psalm 31:5

64. Jesus sent the prophets - Matthew 23:34...God sent the prophets - Jeremiah 7:25. Jesus is God who sent the prophets.

65. Jesus is the Stone of stumbling - I Peter 2:8. A prophesy from Isaiah 8:13-14. God is the stone of stumbling. Jesus is God.

66. God is the fountain of living waters - Jeremiah 17:13....Jesus is the fountain of living waters - John 4:10-14

67. Jesus brings reward to the wicked for their works - Matthew 16:27. Jesus is God - Psalm 54:4-5, II Samuel 3:39.

68. The reward of salvation is "with Jesus" - Revelation 22:12. Jesus is God - Isaiah 62:11, Isaiah 40:10

69. Jesus gave power to His people - Luke 9:1. Jesus is God - Psalm 68:35

70. Jesus is called the HOLY ONE - Acts 3:14. Jesus is God - Isaiah 30:15, Isaiah 40:25, Isaiah 41:14, Isaiah 43:15

71. Jesus is the light - John 8:12. Jesus is God - Psalm 27:1

72. Jesus is the Husband of believers - Revelation 19:7,9, 21:2, 21:9. Jesus is God - Isaiah 54:5

73. Jesus gives us rest - Matthew 11:28. Jesus is God - Exodus 33:14

74. Jesus gathers the sheep - John 10:16. Jesus is God - Ezekiel 34:11

75. Jesus seeks and saves that which is lost - Luke 19:10. Jesus is God - Ezekiel 34:16

76. Jesus is the Shepherd - John 10:11,14. Jesus is God - Psalm 23:1

77. Jesus feeds the people and causes them to sit down - Mark 8:5-10, Matthew 14:19-21. Jesus is God - Ezekiel 34:15

78. The blood of Jesus cleanses us from sin - I John 1:7. God cleanses from sin - Psalm 51:2, Ezekiel 36:25.. Jesus is God

79. Redemption is from Jesus Christ - Romans 3:24, Colossians 1:14. Redemption is from God - Psalm 130:7. Jesus is God

80. Christ is the Redeemer - Galatians 4:5, Galatians 3:13, Revelation 5:9, Titus 2:14. God is the Redeemer - Jeremiah 31:11, Isaiah 41:14, Isaiah 44:22, Isaiah 44:6, Isaiah 44:24. Jesus is God

81. Jesus wrote new commandments with His finger - John 8:5-9. This is to show that He is God who wrote the 10 commandments with His finger - Exodus 31:18

82. The Bible declares God. That God is Jesus who is written in all the scriptures - Luke 24:27, Luke 24:44, John 5:39, John 5:46

83. ALL things are by Jesus - I Corinthians 8:6

84. John the Baptist, the voice in the wilderness prepared the coming of the Lord - Matthew 3:3. A quote from Isaiah 40:3...He prepared the coming of Jehovah God!!!!

85. Jesus forgave sin - Matthew 9:2, Mark 2:5....and only GOD can forgive sins - Mark 2:7. Only God can forgive sin where they are atoned for it. Jesus is God.

86. Jesus forgave sins and healed diseases - Matthew 9:6. Only God can do that - Psalm 103:3

87. Jesus calmed the storm - Matthew 8:26...Only God can - Psalm 107:25

88. God was pierced - Zechariah 12:10...quoted again in John 19:37. Jesus is God

89. God was priced at 30 pieces of silver - Zechariah 11:12-13...quoted again in Matthew 27:9....Jesus is God.

90. Jesus returns again with His saints - I Thess. 3:13. A fulfillment of Zechariah 14:5 that says GOD will come with His saints. Jesus is God.

91. The Jews wanted Jesus killed for the crime of Blasphemy - Matthew 26:65. In their minds He claimed to be God - John 10:33, and Equal with God - John 5:18 and forgave as only God can do - Mark 2:7, Luke 5:21...that was blasphemy is their eyes - Mark 2:7,
Luke 5:21. Jesus by His words and actions claimed to be God...and that is why He was found guilty by the Jews of blasphemy.

92. Jesus raised Himself from the dead - John 2:19-21. John 10:17-18

93. Jesus will raise all the dead - John 6:39-40,44. God raises the dead both physically and spiritually - Ezekiel 37:12-14. Jesus is God

94. The Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ are one and the same. Christ is God - Romans 8:9

95. Jesus quickens (which means to make alive) - John 5:21. Only God can make someone alive - Ezekiel 37:5-6,9. Only God can quicken - Psalm 80:18. Jesus is God.

96. One cannot serve God and mammon - Matthew 6:24. Only God is to be served - Romans 1:9. The One we serve is Jesus Christ - Colossians 3:24.

97. Jesus is the one who "justifies" - Galatians 2:17. ONLY GOD can justifieth - Romans 8:33. Jesus is God.

98. Jesus "reveals" truth - Luke 10:22, Matthew 11:27. Only GOD can reveal truth - Philippians 3:15, I Corinthians 2:10. Jesus is God.

99. God will not share His glory with another - Isaiah 42:8, 48:11. But the Father glorifies the Son - John 17:1,5, John 12:23, John 13:31-32. Jesus is God and He is ONE with the Father.

100. ONLY in the name of JESUS is their salvation. There is salvation is NONE OTHER - Acts 4:10-12, II Timothy 2:10. And salvation belongs to GOD - Psalm 3:8, Jonah 2:9, Lamentations 3:26, Isaiah 52:10, Psalm 51:14. Since only in the name of Jesus is there
salvation and salvation belongs to God, that simply means Jesus is God.

101. Jesus chooses the elect - John 15:16. Jesus is God - I Thess. 2:13, I Cor. 1:27

102. Men are Jesus' disciples - John 13:35, John 15:8. Jesus is God - Isaiah 8:16

103. Jesus' voice is the sound of many waters - Revelation 1:15. Jesus is Almighty God - Ezekiel 43:2.

104. Jesus' feet are like fine brass - Revelation 1:15. Jesus is God - Ezekiel 1:7, Ezekiel 1:28

105. Jesus' name is the Word of God - Revelation 19:13

106. All grace comes from God - I Peter 5:10. Jesus is that God where all grace comes from - Rev 22:21, Romans 16:20, I Thess. 5:28, II Thess. 3:18

107. Jesus comes with clouds - Rev 1:7, Matthew 24:30 - Jesus is God - Isaiah 19:1, Jeremiah 4:13, Numbers 11:25

108. Jesus is called God - John 1:1, Hebrews 1:8

109. Jesus is called The Great God - Titus 2:13

110. Jesus is called The Mighty God - Isaiah 9:6

111. Jesus is called The True God - I John 5:20

112. Jesus is "God with us" - Matthew 1:21

113. Jesus is called "My God" - John 20:28. Since there is "no other God" - Isaiah 45:5,21-22..that means Jesus is that God.

114. Jesus is called "our hope" - I Timothy 1:1. We hope in Jesus - I Cor. 15:19. We are to only hope in God - I Peter 1:21, Psalm 38:15. Jesus is God.

115. Christ is our life - Colossians 3:4. Jesus is God - Psalm 42:8

116. Jesus is called Faithful - Revelation 19:11. Jesus is God - Deut 7:9

117. Jesus is called True - Revelation 19:11. Jesus is God - Romans 3:4

118. Israel temped Christ - I Corinthians 10:9. Jesus is God - Deut 6:16, Numbers 14:22.

119. Christ sent serpents and destroyed Israel - I Cor 10:9. Jesus is God - Numbers 21:6-7

120. Jesus rebukes and chastens - Revelation 3:19 - Jesus is God - Hebrews 12:5-7, Proverbs 3:11-12.

121. Jesus is the Author and Finisher of faith - Hebrews 12:2

122. God said "Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness" - Genesis 1:26. The plurality refers to the Trinity. This is not talking about the angels or heavenly host. Angels cannot create life. Secondly, nowhere is it indicated that angels are made in the image of
God. Third, there is no indication that mankind is created in the image of angels.

123. The plurality of the Trinity is also referred to in Genesis 3:22 and Isaiah 6:8. Jesus is God.

124. Before Jesus became man, He had glory with the Father before the world was - John 17:5

125. All things are given into Jesus' hand - John 3:35

126. Jesus is described as "WHICH WAS" dead, and "IS" alive - Revelation 2:8. The one who "which was" and "which is" is Almighty God - Revelation 4:8, Revelation 1:8. Jesus is God.

127. The "Great Day" of the Wrath of the Lamb - Revelation 6:16-17 is the "Great Day" of God Almighty - Revelation 16:14. Jesus is the Lamb who is God Almighty.

128. Jesus is the King - I Timothy 6:15, John 18:37. Jesus is the King who is called the "only wise God" - I Timothy 1:17

129. Jesus is called the "Just One" - Acts 22:14. Jesus is God - Isaiah 45:21

130. Jesus "gives" repentance - Acts 5:31, Acts 3:26. Jesus is God - II Timothy 2:25

131. Jesus reconciled all things to Himself - Colossians 1:20. Jesus is God - Romans 5:18-19

132. Jesus brings Judgment on the churches in Revelation 2 and 3. Jesus is God - Hebrews 10:30, Deuteronomy 32:35-36

133. God has a Father - Revelation 1:6. That God is Jesus Christ.

134. Jesus stilled the waves and rules the sea- Matthew 8:26-27, Mark 4:39-41. Jesus is God - Psalm 89:8-9

135. Jesus has eyes that are sent forth into all the earth - Revelation 5:6 - Jesus is God - II Chronicles 16:9

136. To know the love of Christ is to be filled with the fulness of God - Ephesians 3:19

137. Christ strengthens the believers - Philippians 4:13. Christ is God - Isaiah 40:29, Isaiah 41:10

138. In Christ's presence is fullness of joy - John 15:11. Jesus is God - Psalm 16:11

139. To see Jesus is to see the Father and to hate Jesus is to hate the Father as well - John 15:24, John 15:23

140. Jesus turns the water into wine - John 2:7-11. A creative act to show that Jesus is Creator God.

141. Jesus walks on water - John 6:19, Matthew 14:26, Mark 6:48 - Jesus is God - Psalm 93:4, Psalm 95:5, Psalm 72:8, Job 9:8

142. Jesus causes the blind to see - Matthew 9:27-30, Matthew 11:5, Mark 8:22-26, Mark 10:51-52. Jesus is God - Psalm 146:8, Isaiah 35:4-5

143. Jesus causes the deaf to hear - Matthew 11:5, Mark 7:32, Mark 7:37 - Jesus is God - Isaiah 35:4-5, Isaiah 43:7-8

144. Jesus causes the dumb to speak - Matthew 9:32-33, Matt 15:31, Mark 7:37, Luke 11:14. Jesus is God - Isaiah 36:6, Ezekiel 24:27, Ezekiel 33:22

145. Jesus causes the lame to walk - Matthew 11:5, Mark 2:11, Luke 7:22 - Jesus is God - Isaiah 35:6

146. Jesus' face shines as the sun - Matthew 17:2. Jesus is God - Psalm 84:11, Malachi 4:2

147. Jesus will inherit all nations - Psalm 2:7-8. Jesus is God - Psalm 82:8

148. Jesus will rule all nations with a rod of iron - Revelation 12:5. Jesus is God - Isaiah 14:5-6

149. Jesus will smite all nations with a rod or iron. He is the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God - Revelation 19:15. He is Almighty God who brings wrath.

150. Jesus and His Father established the ends of the earth - Proverbs 30:4

151. Jesus was without sin - II Corinthians 5:21, Hebrews 4:15, I Peter 2:22. Only God is without sin - Deuteronomy 32:4. Jesus is God

152. Jesus is ABOVE ALL - John 3:31

153. Jesus is GOD OVER ALL - Romans 9:5

154. Jesus is LORD OF ALL - Acts 10:36

155. The Lord God sent His angel to John - Rev 22:6. It is Jesus that sent His angel - Rev 22:16. Jesus is the Lord God.

156. Jesus is called the "Lord of Glory" - I Corinthians 2:8. Jesus is YHWH God - Psalm 24:8-10

157. Jesus gets glory now and forever - II Peter 3:18

158. The Father calls Jesus "LORD" who made heaven and earth - Hebrews 1:10

159. Heaven is God's throne and earth His FOOTSTOOL - Isaiah 66:1, Matthew 5:34-35. Jesus is God - Matthew 22:44, Hebrews 1:13

160. Every knee shall bow, and "every tongue" shall confess to GOD - Romans 14:11. The God "every tongue" is confessing to is JESUS CHRIST - Philippians 2:11

Can you explain?
John 1:18
King James Bible
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

solite3:
Proofs that Jesus is Almighty God.
Only because Jesus Christ is Almighty God do we have reassurance that He can save His elect from eternal damnation and eternal torment.

Can you show us the Bible verse that refers to him as Almighty God?

solite3:
Proofs that Jesus is Almighty God.
Only because Jesus Christ is Almighty God do we have reassurance that He can save His elect from eternal damnation and eternal torment.

John 3:2 did Jesus come from himself or from God?

solite3:
Proofs that Jesus is Almighty God.
Only because Jesus Christ is Almighty God do we have reassurance that He can save His elect from eternal damnation and eternal torment.

removetheturban:
I will send you the account number of an Orphanage so that you will start paying school fees there.

I am tired of teaching a grown man elementary things and I guess if you pay for them you would appreciate them more

When did paying school fees for orphans become elementary? If it's so elementary pay and see what your organization will do to you.

Where is the list of abstract things or forces that are described by using "He" or "Her" or "she" or "Him"

Well I was talking about force you chose to use abstract things instead. I don't know when abstract things became forces. I am still waiting for the list

achorladey:

This is where he is heading to all this while @removetheturban. These are his type of discussion. Yet he "keeps missing the point" and that is where true danger lies. He is a simply not in tandem. He is "parroting" as well.

You hate Catholics cos their doctrines are not biblical. What about Your doctrines that are derived from assumptions? The way you came about yours that's how they deduced theirs.

Always assuming.

removetheturban:
Can you show us the Bible verse that refers to him as Almighty God?

I am waiting for the abstract things.

removetheturban:
Look! Quoting me invariably does not work at all. follow one line of conversation. You cannot jump into my conversation rudely and expect me to catch up. We have no line of thought in that direction and my responses might not blend in. If you want to converse with me, stay on a particular line of thought with me.

You are jumping into my conversation with someone else without proper knowledge of how we get there. You do not follow up that way. You can quote neutrally and if I feel the need to give an answer, I would.

So, stay in a line of thought with me or be consistent if you want a conversation.

You ubiquitous comments are unsavoury.

Why should my thought be in line with yours? Your answers show you reason from a script.

Hairyrapunzel:


You hate Catholics cos their doctrines are not biblical. What about Your doctrines that are derived from assumptions? The way you came about yours that's how they deduced theirs.

Always assuming.

"You hate catholics" cos their "doctrines" are not biblical. It just summarises who you are? Speak for yourself Oga sir!!!!

Hairyrapunzel:


What about your doctrines on not joining military, not voting,refusing blood transfusion, shunning, reporting number of hours preached on paper, not celebrating birthdays, not celebrating Christmas, easter,new year,Thanksgiving, memorial, national holidays, saying your organization is the only way to salvation, calling your organization the truth,the way and the life, saying those 7 old men in new York are the only means of communication between God and man today, baptising people in the name of a spirit directed organization, judicial committee, governing body, the list is endless?

Remove the log in your eyes before you remove the spec in someone else's eye.
You don't judge but your organization has judged all religions as false. You don't judge yet you preach that billions of non jws will die in Armageddon and vultures will eat their corpses in your new system.
Stop lying.

I am sure this your post above does not mean reasoning from a script? Oga who no dey reason from a script? Even the bible in front of you, is it not a script? Or is the Bible written by apostle Hairyrapunzel? It easy to say say remove the Log in your eye before removing the spec in another person's eye. Follow the rule first let us see how easy it is for you. Deny first with evidence that all what you highlighted in your post above were not script you got from someplace somewhere. Are the script yours?

achorladey:

I am sure this your post above does not mean reasoning from a script? Oga who no dey reason from a script? Even the bible in front of you, is it not a script? Or is the Bible written by apostle Hairyrapunzel? It easy to say say remove the Log in your eye before removing the spec in another person's eye. Follow the rule first let us see how easy it is for you. Deny first with evidence that all what you highlighted in your post above were not script you got from someplace somewhere. Are the script yours?

Your magazines are the scripts here. Your answers ain't from the bible. They are just based on assumptions.

achorladey:

"You hate catholics" cos their "doctrines" are not biblical. It just summarises who you are? Speak for yourself Oga sir!!!!

When people disagree with your doctrines you say they hate you. I wrote about you hating Catholics because you disagree with their doctrines and you consider it wrong. I just gave you the taste of your own medicine.
You say things about other religions but once others say those same things about your religion, you cry persecution. Mtcheww. No be only speak for yourselves. Do you know I read your magazines?

Hairyrapunzel:


When people disagree with your doctrines you say they hate you. I wrote about you hating Catholics because you disagree with their doctrines and you consider it wrong. I just gave you the taste of your own medicine.
You say things about other religions but once others say those same things about your religion, you cry persecution. Mtcheww. No be only speak for yourselves. Do you know I read your magazines?

Speak for yourself. You you you you...........specify please. You are an English student, command the language please. Oga na me talk all this thing wey dey your post? As regard the magazine. Its good you read them. When you have issues regarding some of what is written. Direct it to appropriate channel as contained in the magazines. That is how learned ones behave. Then focus squarely on the discussion you have with @removetheturban.

removetheturban:
I do not call Catholicism bad. I have friends and family relatives who are Catholics. I am only talking about some doctrines that are not in concordance with the Bible. I didn't mention Catholicism. I said that we came out of Babylon the great. Do not feel judged as a Catholic. My job is not to judge any religion, but to preach the message of God. I only refute doctrines that I am not agreeable with.

you just called a group of people and their belief Babylon the great, yet you still say you don't think Catholicism is bad?

Hairyrapunzel:


Your magazines are the scripts here. Your answers ain't from the bible. They are just based on assumptions.

You mean John 20:17 as well?

removetheturban:
Can you explain?
John 1:18
King James Bible
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

take note no one has seen God in the past, no man can see God as a Spirit but God came in flesh and all who saw him saw his glory.
1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
No man has seen God before he became flesh but know Jesus has revealed/declared him.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

1 John 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

1:3 That which we[b] have seen[/b] and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

Take note those that have seen the Son has automatically seen the Father.
Why? The Son and the Father are absolutely one.

John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

removetheturban:
Can you show us the Bible verse that refers to him as Almighty God?

I gave you verses that points to Jesus as Almighty God

achorladey:

Speak for yourself. You you you you...........specify please. You are an English student, command the language please. Oga na me talk all this thing wey dey your post? As regard the magazine. Its good you read them. When you have issues regarding some of what is written. Direct it to appropriate channel as contained in the magazines. That is how learned ones behave. Then focus squarely on the discussion you have with @removetheturban.

Park well Mr learned brainwashed feller. If you like o cry wolf. Magazine lover. Assumption follower and indoctrinated learned robot keep quiet. With All your learnedness you are still a brainwashed follower of a cult and you are still in bondage. Learned feller that thinks if he goes against the wishes of seven old men in new York he will be killed by his all loving Jehovah.
Robot. Face front.

removetheturban:
Again, I want you to know that we are not the only ones who have spotted this discrepancy and made the changes.

Based upon some evidence, many Bible translators have felt that the divine name should be restored when they translate the New Testament.

For example, many African, American, Asian, and Pacific-island language versions of the New Testament use the divine name, Jehovah liberally. Some of these translations have appeared recently, such as the Rotuman Bible (1999), which uses the name Jihova 51 times in 48 verses of the New Testament, and the Batak-Toba version (1989) from Indonesia, which uses the name Jahowa 110 times in the New Testament. The divine name has appeared, too, in French, German, and Spanish translations. For instance, Pablo Besson translated the New Testament into Spanish in the early 20th century. His translation uses Jehová at Jude 14, and nearly 100 footnotes suggest the divine name as a likely rendering.

Below are some examples of English translations that have used God’s name in the New Testament:

A Literal Translation of the New Testament . . . From the Text of the Vatican Manuscript, by Herman Heinfetter (1863)

The Emphatic Diaglott, by Benjamin Wilson (1864)

The Epistles of Paul in Modern English, by George Barker Stevens (1898)

St. Paul’s Epistle to the Romans, by W. G. Rutherford (1900)

The Christian’s Bible—New Testament, by George N. LeFevre (1928)

The New Testament Letters, by J.W.C. Wand, Bishop of London (1946)

All your references from the 19th century sef. Mtcheww with all your noise here I thought you were going to quote something that the first Century Christians used.
You even reference work done by people you consider pagans.

These people did not use Jehovah 237 times in the new testament. They did not put Jehovah where cristos was found in the original Greek manuscript. They put Christ, Messiah or Lord. You decided to put Jehovah to remove all Glory attached to Jesus.

You ended up avoiding the particular question she asked you because you are shocked and can't believe your bible contains spurious insertions

removetheturban:
Thanks for the compliment. I really appreciate it especially coming you. And, I do appreciate your comments as well. Thank you for holding it down. It takes a brave mind to do that with such sanity. Most people would have gone violent and aggressive but you still play it mature and spiritual.

concerning those men who preserved the word of God for us, we are truly grateful to them and we give the glory to our father, Jehovah. We actually cover many of these men in our watchtower and awake articles. Nevertheless, not that we refute all works but due to intense research and study, we have been able to unearth the disparity in some versions of the Bible. I want you to understand that there is a difference between version and translation. Many of the Bibles that you see today are simply versions and not Bible translations.
Our NWT is called The New World [b]Translation [/b]and not version because we went right from the beginning to get accuracy and not copy verbatim from an existing work. Since 1611 when the KJV was released, (though hugely copied from Tyndale's work and other existing versions. The major difference is the simple English and grammar) many things have been discovered. Most notable is the dead sea scroll found in 1947. That was about 70 years ago. This evidently calls for editing of some Bible versions but they are adamant to the discovery.

It depends on the actual Greek text that you are using. Believe me, some verses are either inserted or corrupted. This is an effort to cover a mistake or initiate a deviation. This actual verse does not have Jesus in it. I posted a few other verses that the word Kristo was also added. We do not have a problem with Jesus and we do not believe that he is equal with the father.
The truth is that kristo was never there in that verse. What was there was Kyrios (Lord) and if you dig deeper you will find it. Proper research will prove this to you. This is why I sent you other Pentecostal and Catholic Bibles that did not honor the inclusion of the name, Jesus in that verse.

The other translations did not use the word God. They used either Christ, Messiah or Lord. Why insert Jehovah when kyrios doesn't mean Jehovah isn't that a spurious insertion? Your bible is corrupted yet you accuse other translations for this crime.
Your religion amazes me. How they can lie and twist words and force you to swallow without asking questions is incredible. Their followers are indeed robots

removetheturban:
Again, I want you to know that we are not the only ones who have spotted this discrepancy and made the changes.

Based upon some evidence, many Bible translators have felt that the divine name should be restored when they translate the New Testament.

For example, many African, American, Asian, and Pacific-island language versions of the New Testament use the divine name, Jehovah liberally. Some of these translations have appeared recently, such as the Rotuman Bible (1999), which uses the name Jihova 51 times in 48 verses of the New Testament, and the Batak-Toba version (1989) from Indonesia, which uses the name Jahowa 110 times in the New Testament. The divine name has appeared, too, in French, German, and Spanish translations. For instance, Pablo Besson translated the New Testament into Spanish in the early 20th century. His translation uses Jehová at Jude 14, and nearly 100 footnotes suggest the divine name as a likely rendering.

Below are some examples of English translations that have used God’s name in the New Testament:

A Literal Translation of the New Testament . . . From the Text of the Vatican Manuscript, by Herman Heinfetter (1863)

The Emphatic Diaglott, by Benjamin Wilson (1864)

The Epistles of Paul in Modern English, by George Barker Stevens (1898)

St. Paul’s Epistle to the Romans, by W. G. Rutherford (1900)

The Christian’s Bible—New Testament, by George N. LeFevre (1928)

The New Testament Letters, by J.W.C. Wand, Bishop of London (1946)

the dates you mentioned are just very recent. 19th and 20th century mostly.. History has it dat the name emanated in the 13th century so its not surprising..

removetheturban:
Thanks for the compliment. I really appreciate it especially coming you. And, I do appreciate your comments as well. Thank you for holding it down. It takes a brave mind to do that with such sanity. Most people would have gone violent and aggressive but you still play it mature and spiritual.

concerning those men who preserved the word of God for us, we are truly grateful to them and we give the glory to our father, Jehovah. We actually cover many of these men in our watchtower and awake articles. Nevertheless, not that we refute all works but due to intense research and study, we have been able to unearth the disparity in some versions of the Bible. I want you to understand that there is a difference between version and translation. Many of the Bibles that you see today are simply versions and not Bible translations.
Our NWT is called The New World [b]Translation [/b]and not version because we went right from the beginning to get accuracy and not copy verbatim from an existing work. Since 1611 when the KJV was released, (though hugely copied from Tyndale's work and other existing versions. The major difference is the simple English and grammar) many things have been discovered. Most notable is the dead sea scroll found in 1947. That was about 70 years ago. This evidently calls for editing of some Bible versions but they are adamant to the discovery.

It depends on the actual Greek text that you are using. Believe me, some verses are either inserted or corrupted. This is an effort to cover a mistake or initiate a deviation. This actual verse does not have Jesus in it. I posted a few other verses that the word Kristo was also added. We do not have a problem with Jesus and we do not believe that he is equal with the father.
The truth is that kristo was never there in that verse. What was there was Kyrios (Lord) and if you dig deeper you will find it. Proper research will prove this to you. This is why I sent you other Pentecostal and Catholic Bibles that did not honor the inclusion of the name, Jesus in that verse.

you do not agree with those bibles so y do u keep quoting them.. I would also like to know ur source of info where u saw that the word there wasn't supposed to be cristos but kyrios.