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Rubbiish:
Women were relegated simply because they were irrelevant & not God's primary tools for propagating the word!!!!
U can't relegate C Ronaldo or a useful club in a football league...Relegation goes with irrelevance...Christ came in the form of a man, God will not bypass a man to call a woman...

so all those women God used In the Bible were super woman and to even think God thought woman are irrelevant In the propagation of the Gospel, mehn... av heard it all

delishpot:
Don't use instances. Show me where Jesus said women are not worthy to preach. You still did not show me any. Jesus could not have called women because of the culture of his people towards women. Men were more able to move around and travel while women were considered properties. Unless he married the woman, her family would not have accepted that she follows men (she is not married to any of them) around in the name of following Jesus who was considered a radical in the society. However, Jesus was NEVER known to discourage women from being around him. Infact, he protected the lowest of the lows in the society even adulterous ones. The ones people would not want around them talkless of associating with. He did not ask Mary to leave when Martha was cooking. He taught her and the disciples. He did not say this is for the men. So, show me where Jesus said women are not fit to preach. That evil practice started after the death of Christ. Christ never said anything about women teaching not teaching.

Once again, the issue is not if a woman should preach. Jesus commanded all his disciple to preach the gospel. However did he command a woman to lead the church? He didn't. When he appointed people to take over leadership when he'd be gone, he appointed no woman. Why weren't women among the 12?? You've not answered this question the two times you've mentioned me. I want to believe you'll have the answer by the 3rd mention.

Oga please stop leading people astray... take ur argument to a palmy joint...dats where people with this kind of mentality are tolerated.trust me,u will see like minds there...false prophet

majekdom2:
have you forgotten the pharisees were always looking for a way to hold him. Read your bible and read it well. The pharisee would have said he is taking people's wives from them. He had deep relationship with a few women that he cried when their brother died. Mary and martha. It's only wise for his apostles to be men since the men have more freedom in his time

Oga wetin be all these ones wey u dey talk?? lol
Christ choosing only male as apostles was to set boundaries....In the life and ministry of the Church there are certain boundaries set for women, for their own and common good. They can prophesy, that is, speak words of "edification, exhortation and comfort" under the anointing of the Spirit (Acts 2:17, 18; 21:9; 1 Cor 14:3; 11:5).

But the Bible does not permit them to "teach" (1 Tim 2:12). That is, a woman cannot teach doctrines in the Church. The teaching of doctrine carries with it a sense of authority and great responsibility (2 Cor 13:10; Js 3:1). This women are not called to do. Apostle Paul gives the reason why. "Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression" (1 Tim 2:14). Women in general are more prone to deception than men & therefore they are not fit to handle the authority & responsibilities associated with teaching of d doctrines....not all these marriage nonsense u are saying...U think christ is like u, Christ is wise...

Rubbiish:
Oga wetin be all these ones wey u dey talk?? lol
Christ choosing only male as apostles was to set boundaries....In the life and ministry of the Church there are certain boundaries set for women, for their own and common good. They can prophesy, that is, speak words of "edification, exhortation and comfort" under the anointing of the Spirit (Acts 2:17, 18; 21:9; 1 Cor 14:3; 11:5).

But the Bible does not permit them to "teach" (1 Tim 2:12). That is, a woman cannot teach doctrines in the Church. The teaching of doctrine carries with it a sense of authority and great responsibility (2 Cor 13:10; Js 3:1). This women are not called to do. Apostle Paul gives the reason why. "Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression" (1 Tim 2:14). Women in general are more prone to deception than men & therefore they are not fit to handle the authority & responsibilities associated with teaching of d doctrines....not all these marriage nonsense u are saying...U think christ is like u, Christ is wise...

and Christ is like you. Paul is a man like you, he is not Christ. He gave "his" reasons. Was Adam not deceived? What are you saying really? Did Christ open his mouth to tell you he was setting boundaries. All these over sabi christians. Oyinbo wey carry religion come give una, no be women lead some missionary organisations. Maryslessor and the rest. Why e be say black man dey always form oversabi for thing wey dem teach am. To think that Christ mentioned someone like you who is saying " I am not like my neigbour" instead of asking for forgiveness of sin.

teamsynergy:
so all those women God used In the Bible were super woman and to even think God thought woman are irrelevant In the propagation of the Gospel, mehn... av heard it all

Which women??
With or without those women in the bible the gospel would still have continued, meaning their role was just auxillary...I am talking about the primary instruments, which is men, without them no level for the gospel...How many book women write for bible??

VictorRomanov:
Once again, the issue is not if a woman should preach. Jesus commanded all his disciple to preach the gospel. However did he command a woman to lead the church? He didn't. When he appointed people to take over leadership when he'd be gone, he appointed no woman. Why weren't women among the 12?? You've not answered this question the two times you've mentioned me. I want to believe you'll have the answer by the 3rd mention.

Because in those days women were considered properties. It would have been kicked against if he said to someone's daughter follow me around and I will make you Fisher of men. He choose men for convince. I am sure if a woman had decided to become a preacher with Jesus, her family would have said NO. I believe you know that too? Besides, we do not know if a book is written where Jesus also recruited a woman. The few books chosen to be compiled as the Bible may not contain that part. There are missing years in the Bible where no accounts of Jesus is written. Do you know what transpired in those years? For all we know he had females but that part was not included. Show me where Jesus said women can not lead a church. That law came from the apostles after Jesus left. When Jesus was sending them out, to go and preach he did not talk about men or women who had the right to preach. That rule comes from Jewish belief that women should not be heard.

Rubbiish:
Which women??
With or without those women in the bible the gospel would still have continued, meaning their role was just auxillary...I am talking about the primary instruments, which is men, without them no level for the gospel...How many book women write for bible??

with or without anybody the gospel would have continued. There is no male or female in christ

delishpot:
Because in those days women were considered properties. [/b]It would have been kicked against if he said to someone's daughter follow me around and I will make you Fisher of men. He choose men for convince. I am sure if a woman had decided to become a preacher with Jesus, her family would have said NO. I believe you know that too? Besides, we do not know if a book is written where Jesus also recruited a woman. The few books chosen to be compiled as the Bible may not contain that part. There are missing years in the Bible where no accounts of Jesus is written. Do you know what transpired in those years? For all we know he had females but that part was not included. Show me where Jesus said women can not lead a church. That law came from the apostles after Jesus left. When Jesus was sending them out, to go and preach he did not talk about men or women who had the right to preach. [b]That rule comes from Jewish belief that women should not be heard.

Thank you. Most women were either bethrothed or married. And the pharisees were always out to look for a mistake!

Rubbiish:
YES...Unless there are no longer men on earth....

you are not God. His ways are not ur ways.

majekdom2:
and Christ is like you. Paul is a man like you, he is not Christ. He gave "his" reasons. Was Adam not deceived? What are you saying really? Did Christ open his mouth to tell you he was setting boundaries. All these over sabi christians. Oyinbo wey carry religion come give una, no be women lead some missionary organisations. Maryslessor and the rest. Why e be say black man dey always form oversabi for thing wey dem teach am. To think that Christ mentioned someone like you who is saying " I am not like my neigbour" instead of asking for forgiveness of sin.

Lolsss
When u be become president tomorrow, try to put your female soldiers in the front line & see the end result....Women have been know for playing auxillary role in human affairs.
Na God affair that requires more responsibilities them go for dey play primary role?? lol

Continue dey lie for pharisee head, say na dem cause christ no choose women as apostles...lolzzz

majekdom2:
you are not God. His ways are not ur ways.

Oh yea....But that does not mean we do not know certain things he is capable of...
I know he is truthful & just...
He stand on his word...not some b!tchass nigga...
Wonder why feminist dislike him? @least u will agree with me most feminist do not like God...
Because God is quick to put women where they belong...

Rubbiish:
Lolsss
When u be become president tomorrow, try to put your female soldiers in the front line & see the end result....Women have been know for playing auxillary role in human affairs.
Na God affair that requires more responsibilities them go for dey play primary role?? lol

Continue dey lie for pharisee head, say na dem cause christ no choose women as apostles...lolzzz

. Go to Germany and south Korea. You will come tell a different. This type of mentality you have is why Africa is still Africa. A major percentage of missionaries that came to Africa were women but because Africans like you don't read, they claim to be oversabi just to suit their sentiments. Read your bible very well. You will see God can use either a man or a woman. He created them both.

Rubbiish:
Oh yea....But that does not mean we do not know certain things he is capable of...
I know he is truthful & just...
He stand on his word...not some b!tchass nigga...
Wonder why feminist dislike him? @least u will agree with me most feminist do not like God...
Because God is quick to put women where they belong...

and is the gays that like him. The ones that said he made them that way.

majekdom2:
with or without anybody the gospel would have continued. There is no male or female in christ

Hahahahahahahaha
No let Apostles see this thing oo
U are a very bias boy for u to say this....
Chai!!!!!!!
Only the role Paul play for God's work outweigh every woman role, only Paul oooo
U know where paul carry the gospel pass
U are a very bias & untruthful human being...

Rubbiish:
Hahahahahahahaha
No let Apostles see this thing oo
U are a very bias boy for u to say this....
Chai!!!!!!!
Only the role Paul play for God's work outweigh every woman role, only Paul oooo
U know where paul carry the gospel pass
U are a very bias & untruthful human being...

it wasn't Paul that did it but God. Paul himself made that clear that if he had refused God call God will use some other persons. He acknowledged the grace.

Geeklady:
The controversial question of whether or not it’s right for women to pastor churches or co-pastor with their husbands has come up again. This time, in one of my circles. My view has been that God prohibits this practice. So I did another study to be sure if my view aligned with God’s.

What prompted this study was when a prominent, well-loved and respected pastor by me and many others came out and said that he supported the practice of women pastors. After launching his new ministry page on Facebook, it featured him and his wife as pastors of their church.

His announcement, through a public video on Facebook, drew almost 300 comments. Half of which included the pastor and those that agreed with the practice, and the rest that didn’t.

It was that argument with both sides bringing up scriptures to justify their position. In those 300-plus comments, all I saw was a back-and-forth about what the Bible says. But no one talked about the dangers of this practice and the end effect on the human soul. And so, this is the reason behind this article.

First off, I’m not against women teaching other women or children. I do believe women can prophesy, and share the gospel. However, I do believe God prohibits women from leading his flock.

So, I will present to you the real reason why women are not allowed to lead and teach men in the Church, I’ll submit scripture to back it up, and then I’ll talk about the adverse outcome of this disorderly practice.

The real reason

The real reason women aren’t allowed to pastor is not because they’re easily manipulated, or too emotional for the pulpit, no, it’s simply because it’s not in their assigned roles as women.

God assigned roles to men and women from the beginning of creation. He expects those roles to be played out in his church as well—there are no exceptions. When the roles are switched, God is angry, and Satan has an entry point.

Let’s see what the Bible explicitly says (this is the apostle Paul speaking):

Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer [tolerate] not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. (1 Timothy 2:11-14)

this is why I say religion oppresses women.Mr man wake up this is the 21st century and stop reading what misogynist apostle Paul writes.

Geeklady:
The controversial question of whether or not it’s right for women to pastor churches or co-pastor with their husbands has come up again. This time, in one of my circles. My view has been that God prohibits this practice. So I did another study to be sure if my view aligned with God’s.

What prompted this study was when a prominent, well-loved and respected pastor by me and many others came out and said that he supported the practice of women pastors. After launching his new ministry page on Facebook, it featured him and his wife as pastors of their church.

His announcement, through a public video on Facebook, drew almost 300 comments. Half of which included the pastor and those that agreed with the practice, and the rest that didn’t.

It was that argument with both sides bringing up scriptures to justify their position. In those 300-plus comments, all I saw was a back-and-forth about what the Bible says. But no one talked about the dangers of this practice and the end effect on the human soul. And so, this is the reason behind this article.

First off, I’m not against women teaching other women or children. I do believe women can prophesy, and share the gospel. However, I do believe God prohibits women from leading his flock.

So, I will present to you the real reason why women are not allowed to lead and teach men in the Church, I’ll submit scripture to back it up, and then I’ll talk about the adverse outcome of this disorderly practice.

The real reason

The real reason women aren’t allowed to pastor is not because they’re easily manipulated, or too emotional for the pulpit, no, it’s simply because it’s not in their assigned roles as women.

God assigned roles to men and women from the beginning of creation. He expects those roles to be played out in his church as well—there are no exceptions. When the roles are switched, God is angry, and Satan has an entry point.

Let’s see what the Bible explicitly says (this is the apostle Paul speaking):

Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer [tolerate] not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. (1 Timothy 2:11-14)

my brother,that was apostle peter teaching not christ? Don't forget that some of his teachings were made out of self will,love for God and over. Zealousness. Pls read ur bible,separate mans commandment from Gods direct order

majekdom2:
. Go to Germany and south Korea. You will come tell a different. This type of mentality you have is why Africa is still Africa. A major percentage of missionaries that came to Africa were women but because Africans like you don't read, they claim to be oversabi just to suit their sentiments. Read your bible very well. You will see God can use either a man or a woman. He created them both.

I am not arguing whether God created a woman
No be God create lion?
We are talking about their limit & it clearly stated in d bible...

Onnasucs1:
I love the way you carefully explained this...nice one

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
1 Corinthians 11:4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.
1 Corinthians 11:5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.




The head of the man is Christ
The head of the woman is the man

So any man that wants to carryout pastoral duties {praying or prophesying (preaching)} must not do it under the authority of a woman or anyone except Christ. Because Christ is his head(authority)


Any woman that does pastoral duties ( praying or prophesying) without a man ( her head) being the authority(her cover) she is under while praying or prophesying, dishonours her head(the man)


Which is why a woman can pastor a church, she must be under the cover(authority of a man) if not, she has distorted an order: Christ-Man-Woman

Stop writing nonsense.

It is wrong for a woman to shepherd or pastor a man... The Godhead is our example in this matter.

There is both equality and submissiveness in the eternal Godhead. The Father and the Son are equal in all things but we clearly know that Jesus is submissive to God the Father as the Head.

In the same way man and woman is equal in Christ but there should be loving submissiveness in the part of a woman, for man is her head despite the equality.

Women don't let in the spirit of pride.

zionmde:
The bible u read is full of assumptions. Any word in italics in KJV means they were added and never part if the original manuscript. As somebody rightly mentioned Priscilla was a leader in the church, she taught timothy, apollos and phoebe.
pls read this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priscilla_and_Aquila
I rest my case

may God forgive you who told you words in italics were added?
Hope you know adding to scripture is a sin.
The scripture is not for private interpretations or assumptions.
It was pricilia and acquilia that expanded the word to Apollos. Apollos already knew the word.

Not only timothy and phoebe but peter James and john also.

majekdom2:
it wasn't Paul that did it but God. Paul himself made that clear that if he had refused God call God will use some other persons. He acknowledged the grace.

This one is no longer paul, but God??
But the one that doesn't suit u is paul?
Chai!!!!! Woman don finish this guy....

Atlantia:
Exactly.
He carefully ignored the roles women played in the scriptures.

I really don't blame him. Most of the active 'players' in the Bible were of the male gender and he feels that women should remain in the background. Apostle Paul's teachings are fodder for his likes.

Misogynistic nitwit! Excuse my French.

Every sane human being knows that apostle Paul was a misogynist what pains me most is that women are more religious than men when clearly Abrahamic religions don't favour women.

Daviddson:
Solite3 and Geeklady, I have this question for you: Are you saying a woman should refuse to answer the call of God if He calls her to start a pastoral ministry?

God cannot go against his words.God can call anybody but such calling are in line with his word.

teamsynergy:
it really amazes me how people just quote the Scripture to favour their bais....

am sure the op won't agree to a female governor, lecturer or any position of authority...


all I know is, there has to Bea calling before you start working for God and he can choose any gender.... those people never really valued women as it is still being practised in the middle east and Africa.
religion is the strongest force behind patriarchy and the relegation of the female gender

What pains me is that women are more religious than men after all the oppression tied to Abrahamic religions.

Ladyhippolyta88:
this is why I say religion oppresses women.Mr man wake up this is the 21st century and stop reading what misogynist apostle Paul writes.

The word of God stands & it was like this long before your birth & will remain same long after your death...It has nothing to do with 21th or 50th century. The earlier u get that into your head the better....This was how satan started, trying so hard to challenge God's authority...
Because we are in the 21th century, God's word is no longer relevant??

zionmde:
but Philip had 4 daughters and they all prophesied. Where else did they prophesy if not in the church? A

please always be a good reader, read in between the line. If you do u will get wat he said earlier.

Rubbiish:
The word of God stands & it was like this long before your birth & will remain same long after your death...It has nothing to do with 21th or 50th century. The earlier u get that into your head the better....This was how satan started, trying so hard to challenge God's authority...
Because we are in the 21th century, God's word is no longer relevant??

You and I know that the bible was written by men and not inspired if not changes would not be recorded so don't deceive yourself apostle Paul was clearly a misogynist.

Ladyhippolyta88:
Stop writing nonsense.

hmmm...
I don't even know what to say

Daviddson:
Solite3 and Geeklady, I have this question for you: Are you saying a woman should refuse to answer the call of God if He calls her to start a pastoral ministry?

How do you know that it was God who called them? Almost everybody starting a church claims to be called by God, including that Rev. Dr. King.

bloodofthelamb:
It is wrong for a woman to shepherd or pastor a man... The Godhead is our example in this matter.

There is both equality and submissiveness in the eternal Godhead. The Father and the Son are equal in all things but we clearly know that Jesus is submissive to God the Father as the Head.

In the same way man and woman is equal in Christ but there should be loving submissiveness in the part of a woman, for man is her head despite the equality.

Women don't let in the spirit of pride.

Rubbish.