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Re: For Those Who Think Hell Is An Empty Threat From The Bible! by TribesNG: 1:39pm On Jan 28, 2018
frosbel2:
100% fear tactics used to intimidate and cajole the sheeple into sticking with Church.

Sorry, all this means nothing, I take truth over strange visions and dreams any day and anytime.

These videos are the main reason why Pentecostalism is a serious illness.

You worship God because you fear he will torture you for all eternity and yet he is a GOD OF LOVE ??

Lool grin

All nonsense !!


Fool. Even the bible says we should fear God. Bye.
Re: For Those Who Think Hell Is An Empty Threat From The Bible! by Mekanus(m): 1:45pm On Jan 28, 2018
jusRadical:






Do not waste your time proving the truth to anyone. Heaven and hell are verifiable when death comes calling.

The existence of the 2 do not depend on people's opinions. At death, they will know the truth, but by then, it would have been too late.

Heaven is real and hell is real.
Oga so u Don die before to know that hell and heaven are verifiable by death? If you have not died before, then you're one hell of a deluded candy ass motherfucker. grin
Re: For Those Who Think Hell Is An Empty Threat From The Bible! by Emeskhalifa(m): 1:54pm On Jan 28, 2018
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Re: For Those Who Think Hell Is An Empty Threat From The Bible! by Nobody: 1:55pm On Jan 28, 2018
TribesNG:


Fool. Even the bible says we should fear God. Bye.

"... Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, 'Raca,' is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell " - Matthew 5:22

See you in the fire of Hell grin

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Re: For Those Who Think Hell Is An Empty Threat From The Bible! by mattyjay(m): 1:59pm On Jan 28, 2018
People like you will have to choose which hell you prefer. grin


Emmytes:
At the end of it all, everybody goes to hell.

Christians will go to Muslims hell, muslims will go to Christians hell. Hindus will go to the Buddhist hell etc.

I don't know what will happen to folks like me who don't believe in any of the above.

We are all fvcked whichever way you look at it. So live and enjoy your life. cheesy grin
Re: For Those Who Think Hell Is An Empty Threat From The Bible! by davesd: 2:01pm On Jan 28, 2018
pls I need Christian books (PDF) for my spiritual growth. If you have any, you can send through this email: saawuandavid@gmail.com. thanks for your concern in advance.
Re: For Those Who Think Hell Is An Empty Threat From The Bible! by liver123(m): 2:05pm On Jan 28, 2018
LyfeJennings:
My question is this
Why did God choose to create Hell Fire knowing fully well there is no way we can beat the mark. Only 1% of those that's ever existed in my own opinion would make heave if there is any
God did not create hell fire. Devil is the foundation and founder of hell.
Re: For Those Who Think Hell Is An Empty Threat From The Bible! by mabea: 2:10pm On Jan 28, 2018
numerouno01:
what level of trash is this, abeg leave us be and stop disturbing us with your folktales.

if hell is real then we all are going to hell for having different beliefs.


religion is the height of mediocrity.





Christianity especially

My brother the people in Noah's generation said this same thing you just typed, they mocked him as you are doing now but did it stop God's judgement from coming to pass? Repent now, accept the Lord Jesus into your life and he will forgive your sins and give you eternal life. Shalom!

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Re: For Those Who Think Hell Is An Empty Threat From The Bible! by nelsonoba: 2:18pm On Jan 28, 2018
omonnakoda:
When people suffer schizophrenia, there hear,voices they experience phenomenon of external control of their bodies ,thoughts and feelings This pattern is reproduced across race and culture.
What does this teach us the human brain is similar across different population groups even in abnormal function there is similarity .

What do all these funny tales tell us?
Someone was in a mortuary for 3 days he was prayed for and lived again.
Assuming that is true what has it got to do with hell?

It really is indeed very sad that our people sometimes deliberately choose to be stupid.

There are alternatives but purposefully the choose idiocy.

There was a man who was certified dead in a prison recently somewhere by 3 doctors. Eventually he lived after several days check it on Google.
No one made any of these stupid attributions other than to conclude the doctors made a mistake and move on.

But some jokers must bring God,he'll and heaven into it

Your grammar is confusing your thinking faculty. Seems like you didn't see the last of the 3 videos before spewing this thrash above or you obviously don't know the differences among DREAMS, VISIONS, HALLUCINATIONS AND DEATH!

The 3rd video was somebody who died in an accident, was confirmed dead by the hospital, was sent to the mortuary where he was for 3 days. within the 3 days, he had already been embalmed with formalin (you may need to find out what formalin is and what it does to a dead body, talk less of a person that is still alive when it is injected into a human body), he was taken out of the mortuary by his wife still dead and driven to Reinhard Bonnke's crusade from the mortuary and came stood up after he had been prayed for at the crusade. Why don't you investigate like the op said and come back to us with proofs to show us that Dan Eke did not die in 2001, and that he never spent 3 days in mortuary, and he was not the person prayed for at Reinhard Bonnke's crusade in 2001. Until you come with facts after your investigation to counter the op's facts in the video, please keep your disbelief to yourself and stop talking blindly
Re: For Those Who Think Hell Is An Empty Threat From The Bible! by stanliwise(m): 2:24pm On Jan 28, 2018
Edelweiss44:


Intelligence tells you to examine things first before you decide on them! Intelligence tells you to question the status quo and seek answers to things you don't know or understand, and not to wish them away because you don't understand them.

Intelligence tells you that when people put up a video with such compelling evidence as I just did, you should first take the facts they presented and investigate before coming to a conclusion. But you did none of those before you jumped to conclude everyone of those people were lying. Those were very different people in different countries who didn't know each other. They all died and went to the same place and saw the same things that concur with the Bible's description of hell. They are not saying anything new. what they are describing are things that we already know as written in the bible about hell.

So oga, Take up the information in those videos, especially the one about Dan Eke that happened here in Nigeria, go and ask questions from the places where he said everything happened, starting from Umezurike hospital to the mortuary he was kept for 3 days. when you have done all that and the people you asked in those places tell you no such thing happened in 2001, then come back and tell us I was lying. Besides, I have also personally met 2 different people in Nigeria who died and came back to life and what they saw was not different from what these people in the videos also saw. One of the two people I am talking about died in a car accident on his was from Owerri to Uyo in 2012, and he was prayed for and came back to life after 2 days. One of the ways you know they were dead is that they all saw themselves leaving their bodies and they could tell you what was happening around them at the time they left their bodies before they started descending to hell. They could tell you who and who were around them and what each person around them was saying at the time they came out of their bodies and were standing and seeing their motionless bodies lying down.
Your description of After life leave some doubts in me but I do not intend your information where wrong though.
Re: For Those Who Think Hell Is An Empty Threat From The Bible! by Miniano: 2:29pm On Jan 28, 2018
Hello fire � ����
Re: For Those Who Think Hell Is An Empty Threat From The Bible! by nelsonoba: 2:29pm On Jan 28, 2018
frosbel2:


"... Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, 'Raca,' is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell " - Matthew 5:22

See you in the fire of Hell grin


Pls don't quote the bible you don't even understand or believe. Jesus said anyone who says to his "BROTHER" 'you fool' will be in danger of hell. He didn't say anyone who mentions the word generally. If you do not believe in God, then you are NOT MY BROTHER, and even without me calling you a fool with my mouth, God Himself already declared you a fool. Read Psalm 14:1 where it says "The FOOL has said in his heart that there is no God".
Re: For Those Who Think Hell Is An Empty Threat From The Bible! by stanliwise(m): 2:34pm On Jan 28, 2018
Emmytes:
At the end of it all, everybody goes to hell.

Christians will go to Muslims hell, muslims will go to Christians hell. Hindus will go to the Buddhist hell etc.

I don't know what will happen to folks like me who don't believe in any of the above.

We are all fvcked whichever way you look at it. So live and enjoy your life. cheesy grin
hahahaha you funny no be small...
But on serious note, why exactly are you a pagan?
Re: For Those Who Think Hell Is An Empty Threat From The Bible! by POTUT(m): 2:37pm On Jan 28, 2018
frosbel2:
100% fear tactics used to intimidate and cajole the sheeple into sticking with Church.

Sorry, all this means nothing, I take truth over strange visions and dreams any day and anytime.

These videos are the main reason why Pentecostalism is a serious illness.

You worship God because you fear he will torture you for all eternity and yet he is a [b]GOD OF LOVE ??[/b]

Lool grin

All nonsense !!


Considering the bolded, God will never torture any human being in the context you mentioned. Those who will be separated from God will feel the 'torture' of God's absence because they deliberately chose to reconfigure their God-created soul, thereby reversing their natural existence into some fake satanic alternative..at this point, they cease to be humans. That is the mark of the beast in brief. Therefore, when they suffer for it in hell, they will no longer be referred to as human beings. I hope you understand.
Re: For Those Who Think Hell Is An Empty Threat From The Bible! by wizod(m): 2:38pm On Jan 28, 2018
removetheturban:
These testimonies cannot be proven or held as authentic. Any drunk can come out to say anything and people will buy it. You better prove your doctrine using the Bible and not YouTube videos. These men are incredible.
idiot, go 2 d said hospital 4 confirmation

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Re: For Those Who Think Hell Is An Empty Threat From The Bible! by Liard(m): 2:41pm On Jan 28, 2018
nelsonoba:


Let me break it down for you to clear your eyes;

1) The only reason why man was created is to worship God and fulfil God's purpose.

2) If you as a creation of God decides not to fulfil the reason why God put you here on earth, then you have by your decision automatically put yourself on a path that tries to fight God. Because you are saying to God that he wasted his time creating you and giving you a freewill.

3) Jesus was speaking and said "you are the salt of the earth, but if a salt loses its savour, then it's of no use but to be trampled upon by men". If you are not worshipping God, then you have lost your relevance in creation, and that is why a punishment called hell exists for such people.

4) You ask why would other people who "worship God" but are not christians go to hell if what the bible says is true? Simple answer is this;
a) You don't make it to heaven just because you answer the tag "Christian" or you go to church. After all, Jesus himself was not a "christian". You make it to heaven because YOU HAVE A PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH CHRIST AFTER HAVING ACCEPTED HIM INTO YOUR LIFE AS LORD AND SAVIOUR.

b) Why can't Muslims or other religious people who also believe in God but not Jesus Christ go to heaven? Simply because NO MAN CAN COME TO GOD EXCEPT THROUGH CHRIST. The reason is that God is too holy to behold sin, and no sinner can survive in the presence of God, and no man is righteous enough to stand before God, therefore we all need a MEDIATOR who can take us to God based on his own qualifications and Righteousness. That Mediator is Jesus! When you get born again, you are simply asking Jesus to take you to God , and why God would accept you is because Jesus has already made a sacrifice with his own blood for you to pay for your sins. When God looks at you anytime you worship him as a believer in Christ, God sees you the way he sees Jesus because you came to him on the merits of Christ. This is the reason why an ashawo of yesterday can repent today and give her life to Christ and die today and go to heaven.

c) Mohammed or Buddha cannot take you before God because they did not die for you or shed their blood as a sacrifice for your sins. If you want to come to God from any other means outside of Christ, then you have to ensure you have never committed any sin since you were born, this is why unborn babies who were aborted by their mothers can still make it to heaven. But which one of us living in this world can say they have never committed one sin? Even Mohammed and Buddha have not finished paying for their own sins talk less of helping you pay for yours! Jesus was conceived immaculately, born and lived a life without sin before sacrificing himself to pay for our sins, and that is why God put it that if the whole world could be thrown into sin and chaos by the sin of one man (Adam), then it is also fair and justice for the whole world to be saved from sin by the righteousness of one man (Jesus Christ) who committed no sin but gave his life as a sacrifice for our sins.

d) If you have any other solution for conquering sin outside of Jesus, then please show us.


5) Lastly, you need to understand that the same Jesus who loved us so much as to die for our sins because of LOVE is the same person that talked more about HELL in the gospel that he talked about Heaven. Go and do your research, find out how many times Jesus mentioned the word "Hell" in the gospel and compare with how many times he described heaven. If Jesus who is love personified can warn us about hell more than he described the beauty of heaven, then you had better stopped deceiving yourself that people can't go to hell because of God's love!

Even Jesus clearly told us that the road to heaven is narrow and there be few that go on it, but the road to hell is wide and many throng into it. So stop deceiving yourself by thinking there are billions of people in Islam and other religions who reject Christ, and simply because the number of those people is very high therefore God won't allow that number of people to all go to hell.

If you want to know God, one of the first lessons you need to understand is that God does not operate democracy where the majority is right. As far as God is concerned, "ONE WITH GOD IS MAJORITY!!"

Brother, so all these story just to tell me Jesus is the only way to heaven?. Well it's not about the numbers the God i know of will not forsake even if it were just one person with a good heart that has chosen to follow his religion other than Christianity properly.

I only have one 2 questions for you.

1. What makes you think you will make heaven?
2. What is your motivation for serving God, love or fear?

Oh yeah as far as I know when Jesus said you will make heaven through him, I personally feel he was talking about emulating him, believing in what he believed in i.e Loving your neighbour, doing away with hypocrisy, stop form holier than thou and preaching end time gospel etc.
Re: For Those Who Think Hell Is An Empty Threat From The Bible! by Nobody: 2:43pm On Jan 28, 2018
nelsonoba:



Pls don't quote the bible you don't even understand or believe. Jesus said anyone who says to his "BROTHER" 'you fool' will be in danger of hell. He didn't say anyone who mentions the word generally. If you do not believe in God, then you are NOT MY BROTHER, and even without me calling you a fool with my mouth, God Himself already declared you a fool. Read Psalm 14:1 where it says "The FOOL has said in his heart that there is no God".

Firstly I believe in God, secondly, this scripture applies to all people and not just your Christian ilk. In fact, it was originally meant for the Jews which means if we follow your logic it also does not apply to you.
Re: For Those Who Think Hell Is An Empty Threat From The Bible! by Liard(m): 2:56pm On Jan 28, 2018
nelsonoba:


Let me break it down for you to clear your eyes;

1) The only reason why man was created is to worship God and fulfil God's purpose.

2) If you as a creation of God decides not to fulfil the reason why God put you here on earth, then you have by your decision automatically put yourself on a path that tries to fight God. Because you are saying to God that he wasted his time creating you and giving you a freewill.

3) Jesus was speaking and said "you are the salt of the earth, but if a salt loses its savour, then it's of no use but to be trampled upon by men". If you are not worshipping God, then you have lost your relevance in creation, and that is why a punishment called hell exists for such people.

4) You ask why would other people who "worship God" but are not christians go to hell if what the bible says is true? Simple answer is this;
a) You don't make it to heaven just because you answer the tag "Christian" or you go to church. After all, Jesus himself was not a "christian". You make it to heaven because YOU HAVE A PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH CHRIST AFTER HAVING ACCEPTED HIM INTO YOUR LIFE AS LORD AND SAVIOUR.

b) Why can't Muslims or other religious people who also believe in God but not Jesus Christ go to heaven? Simply because NO MAN CAN COME TO GOD EXCEPT THROUGH CHRIST. The reason is that God is too holy to behold sin, and no sinner can survive in the presence of God, and no man is righteous enough to stand before God, therefore we all need a MEDIATOR who can take us to God based on his own qualifications and Righteousness. That Mediator is Jesus! When you get born again, you are simply asking Jesus to take you to God , and why God would accept you is because Jesus has already made a sacrifice with his own blood for you to pay for your sins. When God looks at you anytime you worship him as a believer in Christ, God sees you the way he sees Jesus because you came to him on the merits of Christ. This is the reason why an ashawo of yesterday can repent today and give her life to Christ and die today and go to heaven.

c) Mohammed or Buddha cannot take you before God because they did not die for you or shed their blood as a sacrifice for your sins. If you want to come to God from any other means outside of Christ, then you have to ensure you have never committed any sin since you were born, this is why unborn babies who were aborted by their mothers can still make it to heaven. But which one of us living in this world can say they have never committed one sin? Even Mohammed and Buddha have not finished paying for their own sins talk less of helping you pay for yours! Jesus was conceived immaculately, born and lived a life without sin before sacrificing himself to pay for our sins, and that is why God put it that if the whole world could be thrown into sin and chaos by the sin of one man (Adam), then it is also fair and justice for the whole world to be saved from sin by the righteousness of one man (Jesus Christ) who committed no sin but gave his life as a sacrifice for our sins.

d) If you have any other solution for conquering sin outside of Jesus, then please show us.


5) Lastly, you need to understand that the same Jesus who loved us so much as to die for our sins because of LOVE is the same person that talked more about HELL in the gospel that he talked about Heaven. Go and do your research, find out how many times Jesus mentioned the word "Hell" in the gospel and compare with how many times he described heaven. If Jesus who is love personified can warn us about hell more than he described the beauty of heaven, then you had better stopped deceiving yourself that people can't go to hell because of God's love!

Even Jesus clearly told us that the road to heaven is narrow and there be few that go on it, but the road to hell is wide and many throng into it. So stop deceiving yourself by thinking there are billions of people in Islam and other religions who reject Christ, and simply because the number of those people is very high therefore God won't allow that number of people to all go to hell.

If you want to know God, one of the first lessons you need to understand is that God does not operate democracy where the majority is right. As far as God is concerned, "ONE WITH GOD IS MAJORITY!!"

You saying the only reason man was created was to worship him and fufil his purpose is absurd to me, are you God? You get him direct line?. I think you are a fanatic driven by the wrong reasons. Jesus may not have liked you that much if y'all were in the same era lol. You are right but those cant be the only reasons

Scripture and Tradition never cease to teach and celebrate this fundamental truth: "The world was made for the glory of God." St. Bonaventure explains that God created all things "not to increase his glory, but to show it forth and to communicate it",for God has no other reason for creating than his love and goodness: "Creatures came into existence when the key of love opened his hand."

The First Vatican Council explains This one, true God, of his own goodness and "almighty power", not for increasing his own beatitude, nor for attaining his perfection, but in order to manifest this perfection through the benefits which he bestows on creatures, with absolute freedom of counsel "and from the beginning of time, made out of nothing both orders of creatures, the spiritual and the corporeal.

To human beings God even gives the power of freely sharing in his providence by entrusting them with the responsibility of "subduing" the earth and having dominion over it. God thus enables men to be intelligent and free causes in order to complete the work of creation, to perfect its harmony for their own good and that of their neighbors. Though often unconscious collaborators with God's will, they can also enter deliberately into the divine plan by their actions, their prayers and their sufferings.169 They then fully become "God's fellow workers" and co-workers for his kingdom.

The God that gave us free will and created us out of love will not let us perish over the fickle reasons you have given my brother....

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Re: For Those Who Think Hell Is An Empty Threat From The Bible! by Liard(m): 3:02pm On Jan 28, 2018
bmaks:


What we often miss is that we so much talk about grace as the unfailing love of God that it just over available to us all which is SO TRUE but it doesn't guarantee you and I living our lives anyhow. WE HAVE FORGOTTEN THAT HE IS YET THE LION AND THE LAMB. God loves you so much that he gave you opportunity to choose right and live right but if you CHOOSE to live wrongly, I'M SO SORRY YOU'VE GOT TO FACE HIS WRATH BASED ON YOUR OWN CHOICE

SO MY FELLA, HELL OR HEAVEN IS BASED ON YOUR CHOICE, YOU WANT TO GO TO HEAVEN CHOOSE TO LIVE RIGHT, YOU WANNA GO TO HELL YOU CAN KEEP LIVING ANYHOW AND KEEP BELIEVING ANYTHING GOES SINCE GOD IS SOOOOOOOO LOVING.... YOU MAY BE LATE TO TELL THE STORY....#SELAH

So you are saved from the wrath of God because, you have managed to find the way to living right? Or your sins are less than others? God has seen your heart and your heart has no evil in it? Dude is there love in vengeance? Is there love in wrath and anger? Do you think you will successfully covert people by preaching fear and hell fire? I pray the Holy spirit find it's way to you and leads you in the right path only then will you be saved.
Re: For Those Who Think Hell Is An Empty Threat From The Bible! by omonnakoda: 3:13pm On Jan 28, 2018
nelsonoba:


Your grammar is confusing your thinking faculty. Seems like you didn't see the last of the 3 videos before spewing this thrash above or you obviously don't know the differences among DREAMS, VISIONS, HALLUCINATIONS AND DEATH!

The 3rd video was somebody who died in an accident, was confirmed dead by the hospital, was sent to the mortuary where he was for 3 days. within the 3 days, he had already been embalmed with formalin (you may need to find out what formalin is and what it does to a dead body, talk less of a person that is still alive when it is injected into a human body), he was taken out of the mortuary by his wife still dead and driven to Reinhard Bonnke's crusade from the mortuary and came stood up after he had been prayed for at the crusade. Why don't you investigate like the op said and come back to us with proofs to show us that Dan Eke did not die in 2001, and that he never spent 3 days in mortuary, and he was not the person prayed for at Reinhard Bonnke's crusade in 2001. Until you come with facts after your investigation to counter the op's facts in the video, please keep your disbelief to yourself and stop talking blindly
You are a monkey, go and learn how to communicate in a civilised way otherwise never ever in your wretched life quote me
Re: For Those Who Think Hell Is An Empty Threat From The Bible! by StevieGee27: 3:26pm On Jan 28, 2018
Does anyone still believe the BS story written by some Romans to control their citizens?
For those of you that go to church and donate your hard earned money to some story tellers that call themselves men of God.
Please grow up and think!
If you want to be Godly, try feeding the homeless kids on the street and stop waiting for white people to come and help the children in our country.

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Re: For Those Who Think Hell Is An Empty Threat From The Bible! by StevieGee27: 3:32pm On Jan 28, 2018
TribesNG:


Fool. Even the bible says we should fear God. Bye.
Who gives a shyte what the bible says?
The bible was written by men just like me and you. Don’t understand this blind faith in a book.
Religion needs to be wiped out especially in Africa as it’s just a tool for brainwashing people and extorting their hard earned money.
Time to wake up people.

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Re: For Those Who Think Hell Is An Empty Threat From The Bible! by Nobody: 3:36pm On Jan 28, 2018
Mekanus:
Oga so u Don die before to know that hell and heaven are verifiable by death? If you have not died before, then you're one hell of a deluded candy ass motherfucker. grin




You can call me all manner of names. Even if the whole world says that there is neither heaven nor hell, it does not affect their existence. The truth is not democratic and it is not relative: truth is truth.

Instead of name calling, why don't you chill out and wait till you get to the other and find out. The only problem might be that it might be too late then.

I hope that you have seen all the planets out there in the space to believe their existence and characteristics.
Re: For Those Who Think Hell Is An Empty Threat From The Bible! by nelsonoba: 3:46pm On Jan 28, 2018
omonnakoda:

You are a monkey, go and learn how to communicate in a civilised way otherwise never ever in your wretched life quote me

When I read your first response, I knew you were a case, but I didn't think your case was this bad. You behave like the typical atheist, they know they are living in self-delusion and always pretend as if the reason they say they don't believe in God is because people have not given them enough proofs, but each time you present them with any evidence, the first thing they do is shout and get angry and call names and tell you you are lying without showing evidence to counter the presented facts.

if you were a normal human being, you would have first watched the videos that the op put up before commenting thrash. Cos if you watched them especially the last one before jumping in to comment, you would have understood the man did not have a dream or vision and it was not about anything being wrong with his brain, but a clear case of death! the man died and was embalmed in the mortuary for 3 days before he was taken to the crusade. Somebody died and you're here speaking nonsense grammar all in the name of trying to find non-existent reasons to prove hell or heaven or God does not exist. I am sorry for you, because you will see the truth eventually, I only hope it won't be when you die and it's too late to repent. Keep on deceiving yourself with the delusion that the bible is bluffing when it talks about hell
Re: For Those Who Think Hell Is An Empty Threat From The Bible! by LyfeJennings(m): 3:58pm On Jan 28, 2018
liver123:
God did not create hell fire. Devil is the foundation and founder of hell.

Guy stop confusing urself with English.
Re: For Those Who Think Hell Is An Empty Threat From The Bible! by nelsonoba: 4:19pm On Jan 28, 2018
Liard:


You saying the only reason man was created was to worship him and fufil his purpose is absurd to me, are you God? You get him direct line?. I think you are a fanatic driven by the wrong reasons. Jesus may not have liked you that much if y'all were in the same era lol. You are right but those cant be the only reasons

Scripture and Tradition never cease to teach and celebrate this fundamental truth: "The world was made for the glory of God." St. Bonaventure explains that God created all things "not to increase his glory, but to show it forth and to communicate it",for God has no other reason for creating than his love and goodness: "Creatures came into existence when the key of love opened his hand."

The First Vatican Council explains This one, true God, of his own goodness and "almighty power", not for increasing his own beatitude, nor for attaining his perfection, but in order to manifest this perfection through the benefits which he bestows on creatures, with absolute freedom of counsel "and from the beginning of time, made out of nothing both orders of creatures, the spiritual and the corporeal.

To human beings God even gives the power of freely sharing in his providence by entrusting them with the responsibility of "subduing" the earth and having dominion over it. God thus enables men to be intelligent and free causes in order to complete the work of creation, to perfect its harmony for their own good and that of their neighbors. Though often unconscious collaborators with God's will, they can also enter deliberately into the divine plan by their actions, their prayers and their sufferings.169 They then fully become "God's fellow workers" and co-workers for his kingdom.

The God that gave us free will and created us out of love will not let us perish over the fickle reasons you have given my brother....

First off, you are majorly quoting non-scriptural references, probably because you are a Catholic it it's what you've been taught. But even your statement that says God created man for His glory is no different from what I said that we were created to worship God and fulfil his purpose. One of God's purposes for man is to fill the earth, subdue it and have Dominion. But if you are living in sin, or you don't worship God, do you think your life will bring glory to God? Do you think sin brings glory to God? If sin brings glory to God, then why will God be wasting his time writing it everywhere in scriptures for us to flee every appearances of evil and like it says in Hebrews 12:14 "Pursue peace with all men and Holiness, without which NO MAN shall see God"?

If without holiness, no man can see God, then please tell me how you think sinners will enter heaven? Is it not God that said it in that passage in Hebrews? So you would rather believe your personal opinions than believe what is clearly spelt out by God in Hebrews 12:14
Re: For Those Who Think Hell Is An Empty Threat From The Bible! by MISSCONGENIALITY(f): 4:20pm On Jan 28, 2018
I don't think is right to threaten people with he'll so that they can fear God. It makes them to serve God out of fear and not out of love and respect. It makes them to serve God not because he deserves their service but because he has threatened to punish them. It means we do t love God but fear him.
It means we don't do good for its own sake but to avoid punishment. It means without he'll there will be no respect for God. And without hell, people will not have any sense of morality in them.
For, it's good to good what it right and avoid whatvia wrong whether there's he'll or not
Re: For Those Who Think Hell Is An Empty Threat From The Bible! by Peacefullove: 4:21pm On Jan 28, 2018
jusRadical:






Do not waste your time proving the truth to anyone. Heaven and hell are verifiable when death comes calling.

The existence of the 2 do not depend on people's opinions. At death, they will know the truth, but by then, it would have been too late.

Heaven is real and hell is real.


did Lazarus of Bethany know this at death ? why would Jesus said he was sleeping ? why didn't the fellow bring up stories of heaven or hell ?

if you can't answer that, continue to swim in your delusion .. I just gave you a scenario of someone who actually died and come to life
Re: For Those Who Think Hell Is An Empty Threat From The Bible! by Peacefullove: 4:27pm On Jan 28, 2018
raindrop99:
Pls I need clarification, there is a portion in the Bible that says "it is appointed unto a man to die once & after death comes judgement" but now if d story is true, it seems these men will now die twice.

good question cc: nelsonoba
Re: For Those Who Think Hell Is An Empty Threat From The Bible! by josielewa(m): 4:29pm On Jan 28, 2018
i never see where a broken leg was grown back with miracle...i mean cut off leg ooo...why...but i do watch blind..deaf etc get healed...but have never seen an handicaped body part regrown through miracle....
Re: For Those Who Think Hell Is An Empty Threat From The Bible! by Peacefullove: 4:32pm On Jan 28, 2018
grin grin grin

if you ask the typical churchgoer on Nairaland that what goes to hell when a man dies ?

he will say " Soul " or " Spirit "

those guys are so brainwashed that they never think once to question if that is true or not.

according to Mat 10 vs 28 , its Body and soul that goes to hell , isn't it ?

QUESTION : Do you actually believe this ? how many bodies have descend to hell? If body doesn't go. how could Soul go since both need to be present ? is something wrong with your belief ?

cc: nelsonoba and others
Re: For Those Who Think Hell Is An Empty Threat From The Bible! by nelsonoba: 4:35pm On Jan 28, 2018
frosbel2:


Firstly I believe in God, secondly, this scripture applies to all people and not just your Christian ilk. In fact, it was originally meant for the Jews which means if we follow your logic it also does not apply to you.

Pls I don't understand your way again o! first you were supposed to be an atheist who doesn't believe the bible, now I find you quoting from the bible you don't believe to prove a point. If you could believe what Jesus said about calling your brother a fool, then why can't you believe the same Jesus when he warns us about hell? You seem to be speaking from both sides of the mouth.

Secondly, the word of God was not meant for Jews alone. It is meant for Jews and Gentiles. The bible clearly says that in Christ, there is no Jew or Gentile, no bond (slave) or free.......for we are all seeds of Abraham. We may not be natural Jews but once we are in Christ, we become spiritual seeds of Abraham.

Lastly, if you claim you believe in God but you don't believe in Jesus, then you are NOT MY BROTHER because we don't worship the same God. The God of all creation is the Holy God that no man is righteous enough to approach without coming through the righteousness of Christ.

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