Deadlytruth:

Point of correction please; Igarra is not Egbira at all. Those called Egbiras are located in Kogi State. Igarra and Egbira people are both independent subsets of the Oshuku tribe which even has members in Yala LGA of Cross River State. It is wrong to assume that Igarras are a subset of Egbiras. Please read the previous messages here and you'll get to understand this better.

Igarra is basically Ebira.
Forget all the political posturing, or is it because they are in Edo state? They may chose to be called something else maybe because there has now been a kind of stigma associated with been seen as Ebira or something.
We have Ebira Koto, Ebira Mozum, Ebira Panda, Ebira Toto, and Ebira Etuno,they are all Ebiras.

Okene people don't have any copyright over the name Ebira. All these groups are from the same source who settled in various different locations either straight from the source or by separating from other groups already established elsewhere.

AdeizaPaul:


Understand my position before you reply me, I have never claimed the people from that area are Yorubas, besides even if they were Yorubas, who doesn't want to be in a state of their own?

The state of their own is a state which comprised the entire Bendel-state and which made some outsiders scared because they thought it would signal the coming back of the Benin Kingdom which used to be the super power of the region and was defeated by britian. (They didn't want a state of only Akoko-Edo, they wanted a state of only Edoid people: Bendel ! )
The Akoko-Edo are in no way "garvitating" around yoruba.
You certainly don't even know what Benin refers to, just like the usual yoruba.
I just hope you know that we have Benin City < Benin Kingdom < Benin Empire.
Be more precise about what you are talking about.
The only braggart I see here are you and your fellow yoruba, you are clearly diving into a subject of which you know nothing.

AdeizaPaul:


Igarra is basically Ebira.
Forget all the political posturing, or is it because they are in Edo state? They may chose to be called something else maybe because there has now been a kind of stigma associated with been seen as Ebira or something.
We have Ebira Koto, Ebira Mozum, Ebira Panda, Ebira Toto, and Ebira Etuno,they are all Ebiras.

Okene people don't have any copyright over the name Ebira. All these groups are from the same source who settled in various different locations either straight from the source or by separating from other groups already established elsewhere.

You are a big fat liar. Didn't I already say it that your actual grouse with me has nothing really to do with the issue of Yoruba vs Akoko-Edo but my exposure of the true position of the status of Igarra as being not a subset of Ebira? Am I not vindicated now?Igarras are not and will never be Ebiras. The mere fact that it is even a subject of debate is enough evidence that they are not. If at all one of them has to be classified under the other, then the Ebiras should even be the ones to be subsumed under the Etuno identity on account of seniority of Etuno.
However, the collective generic name of the people is "Oshuku" and not Ebira.
Why Ebiras want to subsume the identity of other Oshukus under theirs is to make themselves appear numerically stronger than they actually are in order to attain some more ego- boosting political relevance at the national level owing to how much emotional damage their domination by Igalas in Kogi politics has caused them. You can imagine that despite being a second majority in Kogi the Ebiras had never produced the governor due to overwhelming Igala influence if not now that it accidentally came their way through circumstances which legally shut Igalas out of the contest.
All these Ebira-Panda, Ebira-koto, Ebira- this and that were originally unknown. They are recent narratives in pursuit of a dubious agenda.
There are many more Oshuku towns in Benue and Cross River which have never been identified as Ebiras.
Ebira refers to the Oshuku descendants of Itaazi's loyalists ONLY.
I am not aware of any stigma associated with Ebiras. This is another fallacy aimed at validating your False narrative. If there is such a stigma for which you accuse Igarrans of avoiding Ebiras, then why did they attend the very first Oshuku descendants meeting in which an Igarra man was chosen as its first national president in recognition of Igarra's overall seniority status? You can't deceive anyone here please.

Deadlytruth:

Merely following a thread is totally different from reading it with comprehension. You obviously refused to comprehend the contents. Your claim of being an Ebira man yet fighting Yoruba battle is queer. Yes I have something against the Yorubas, and that is their overbearing attitude and their claim of founding Akoko-Edo towns which is pure falsehood.
I am sure you will give them a pat on the back the day they claim they founded Okene, Ihima, Ogaminana, Kuroko, and other Ebira settlements.

I said it categorically that they are not Yorubas, so I don't exctly get the point of this.
Have I claimed otherwise?

Deadlytruth:
You laboured to sound unbiased but your illogicality gave you away. Your attempt to deny the effect of Western Region in the Akoko-Edo identity crisis is laughable. You rhetorically asked whether the bearing of Yoruba names by Egbiras also means they were once in the Western Region, and then sighted other watery evidences against the Western Region's administration factor.
If the bearing of Yoruba names by Egbiras negates the Western Region's effect as you would have us believe, then how come none of your present Ebira LGAs ever used the 'Akoko' tag in its name?
Why didn't you Ebiras give your LGAs names like Akoko-Okene, Akoko-Adavi, Akoko-Ihima, etc to prove that it does not take once being in the Western Region to be that Influenced by Yorubaism as you want your gullible readers to believe? Why don't you also sing your Ekuochi songs in Yoruba to also prove that 'point'?

Wait, were the Yorubas the ones who "forced" the Akoko Edos to add Akoko to their name like you are postulating here?
because from what I gathered in this thread I think it was you who said they chose to go with the Akoko tag since there was no unifying appelation for all the people in that area. All that area were known as Kukuruukus before they all chose their different distinguishing names, and i very much doubt the Yorubas were the ones who told or coerced them to chose the Akoko-Igarra tag.

Deadlytruth:
Your claim that Yorubas are not imposing themselves on other tribes on account of the 1963 parting of ways is funny.
The Western Region was created in about 1951 and operated as a Yoruba dominated autonomous region for 12 years during which they made policies through which the minorities were forcefully Yorubalized to an extent.

SO you mean the more than 55 years of independence is not more than enough to correct any policy effect of the Western regional gpvernment that lasted 12 years (1951 to 1963)? That would be quite shocking.

Why isn't the same level of policy entrenchment seen amongst people like the Ishans and Urhobos, or even Itsekiris to the same level today as it is seen among Akoko Edos? You were all in it together. You can't blame Western region 100% on this, seriously.
This was where my mention of a few ebira villages that have some Yoruba names actually makes sense, because it isn't all about policy somethimes

Deadlytruth:
]But just three years after the parting of ways in 1963, the military misadventured into politicals, seized power, dismantled regional autonomy and imposed unitary system on the country which we have had to live with in all the 55 years thereafter. How easy is it for each tribe to chart her own identity under unitary system if I may ask you? The mere attempt to change your LGA's name requires the National Assembly to debate it as a bill and either reject or accept it. I doubt if you have any understanding of the near impossibility of self assertion by individual tribes or ethnicities under a system defined by very weak subnational units at the mercy of an overwhelmingly strong centre. Of course, being one of the Northerners currently resisting a return to the 1960 constitution, I don't expect you to have known this. But you can avail yourself with Chief Obafemi Awolowo's written works on thoughts about Nigeria's freedom in which he X-rayed the dangers involved in experimentation with unitary system in a multi-ethnic democracy like ours.

The Etsakos and Aniomas whom you call Agenebodes and Agbors in error did not share boundaries with Yorubaland unlike Akoko-Edo hence the Yoruba influence minimal even though some Etsakos too do have Yoruba names.

Now this is interesting.
I think you might be alluding to the fact that the interactions and common boundary between the Akoko Edos and the Yorubas might have had more part to play in this entire Imbroglio that you are ready to admit, because politically, it was no different for Ibillo than it was for Bomadi.
And that is the meat of this whole discussion. Neighbouring peoples have been interacting eons before anything colonial in Nigeria.

Deadlytruth:
Your reference to Ogori is another fallacy. Much as Ogori is trilingual, the undiluted Ogori Language is not mutually intelligible with Yoruba, and the LGA in which Ogori is domiciled does not have the 'Akoko' tag as they were never part of the Western Region. What they call it is Ogori-Magongo LGA with HQ at Akpafa.

I never said the Ogoris were Yoruba.
I said they are usually trilingual. Theya re not Yoruba, Ebira or Edo, they are their own people, yet the influence of all three tribes reflect in their lifestyle. Who is forcing them to exhibit traits that are not indigenous to them?
Look at Ososo of today that are celebrating Ebira festivities like Unehe, have the Ebiras gone there to force them to do it?

Deadlytruth:
I could not however see how your analysis on Ososo, Imoga and Ekor is related to the topic under debate. That Ebiras migrants make up 30℅ of Ososo can't credit Ebiras with the founding of Ososo any more than the 40℅ Igbo population of Lagos, as we are told, can credit Igbos with founding of the city. So I don't get your point there.

This is apples to oranges comparison based on what is being discussed here. If a Lagosian came here to deny the presence of Igbo dominated areas within Lagos now, then yes you might have a point. Heck some ososo people can eve speak Ebira.

Deadlytruth:
Your question on who is to say about who founded Akoko-Edo towns is at best hypocritic because I, an Akoko-Edo person, is to say rather than you a Kogite. More Ibillo people have come up here to explain that Yorubas did not found Ibillo but you still point to the OP as if all it takes for one's information on a NL thread to be authentic is being the OP of that thread.

Above all these, what I see in you is a hidden grouse over my detailed explanations of the independent status of Igarra from Ebira. We all in Akoko-Edo understand that Ebiras have always sought to do a fraudulent reclassification of all Oshukus as subsets of Ebiras with Igarras most particularly resistant to it on account of the superior status conferred on them by historical primogeniture right over the others. That we even began to hear distortions as Ebira-Etuno is enough indication of the extent to which you Ebiras would rather go to re-colonize and suppress the separate identities of other Oshukus.
When you see Igarrans you call them annavi meaning bush people but when it comes to seeking political relevance on a national scale you try to describe them as Ebiras just to make up the number. Igarras are not Ebiras and Ebiras are not Igarras. Igarras are the Oshuku descendants of Ozoko while Ebiras descended from Itaazi.
Finally, stop looking at a people's concern through the perspective of others but themselves.

The CAC church is a Yoruba movement this frequently founded by Yorubas everywhere. So their being named Oke Igbala or Isegun in Ekor and Imoga does not translate to these towns being founded by Yorubas any more than the names Anglican and Catholic translate their host towns and cities within Nigeria to being founded by Britons and Italians

So the fact that Okenes call Etunos derogatory names means what? that they don't have the same root?
How is Etuno being of same stock as Ebira Tao (Okene) from the same source in Kwararafa any different from you in Akoko Edo claiming to have come from Benin? Etunos can understand us, Can you understand Benin without learning it?

Yes, Imoga and Ekor are more Yoruba than Ibillo by my own experience, that is why I brought them up, they basically attend the same churches as Yorubas , that is why I have chosen to mention CAC.. Do you get to see CAC churches in that much prominence anywhere outside Yorubaland?

Deadlytruth:


You are a big fat liar. Didn't I already say it that your actual grouse with me has nothing really to do with the issue of Yoruba vs Akoko-Edo but my exposure of the true position of the status of Igarra as being not a subset of Ebira? Am I not vindicated now?Igarras are not and will never be Ebiras. The mere fact that it is even a subject of debate is enough evidence that they are not. If at all one of them has to be classified under the other, then the Ebiras should even be the ones to be subsumed under the Etuno identity on account of seniority of Etuno.
However, the collective generic name of the people is "Oshuku" and not Ebira.

First and foremost, your ad hominem attacks on my person by calling me "Big Fat liar" and all sort of other names won't work here. So because You know I am Ebira, you think you can force your reasons of why YOU THINK I am involved in this thread on me?

I have 2 questions for you.

What is the origin of Etunos?
What language do Etunos speak?

Deadlytruth:
Why Ebiras want to subsume the identity of other Oshukus under their is to make themselves appear numerically stronger than they actually are in order to attain some more ego- boosting political relevance at the national level owing to how much emotional damage their domination by Igalas in Kogi politics has caused them. You can imagine that despite being a second majority in Kogi the Ebiras have never produced the governor due to overwhelming Igala influence if not now that it accidentally came their way through circumstances which legally shut Igalas out of the contest.
All these Ebira-Panda, Ebira-koto, Ebira- this and that were originally unknown. They are recent narratives in pursuit of a dubious agenda.
There are many more Oshuku towns in Benue and Cross River which have never been identified as Ebiras.
Ebira refers to the Oshuku descendants of Itaazi ONLY.

I will forgive your ignorance on any issues relating to Anebira because you are not one. Same way you can excuse some yorubas here for making some claims.
Who told you the name Ebira is new? Some Ebiras chose to be known as Egbira, others as Egbura but never you say the name is a new coinage, because it is not. Ethnologue classifies Etuno simly as an Ebira dialect, which is what it is.

Deadlytruth:
]I am not aware of any stigma associated with Ebiras. This is another fallacy aimed at validating your Falae narrative. If there is such a stigma for which you accuse Igarras of avoiding Ebiras, then why did Igarras attend the very first Oshuku descendants meeting in which an Igarra man was chosen as its first national president in recognition of Igarra's overall seniority status? You can't deceive anyone here please.

Read Up
Ebira Etuno leaders bear their minds on Anebira Opete'

Watch this video and change your warped perspective
What is the difference between an Advize from Okene and an Adavize from Igarra other than political boundary?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxMO1pOTv4U

Listen clearly to where this Igarra chief said that he Hopes and prays for the day that all EBIRAS will come together as One and discuss common interests.
He said it CLEARLY that everyone in the EBIRA NATION are one and have a unique way of identifying one another, no matter where we are across the globe.

It is so funny how while you on one hand are trying to promote your cultural uniqueness are trying to drive a wedge of division beween basoically the same people, the Taos and the Etunos.

historyworld031:

The state of their own is a statet which comprised the entire Bendel-state and which made some outsiders scared because they thought it would signal the coming back of the Benin Kingdom which used to be the super power of the region and was defeated by britian. (They didn't want a state of only Akoko-Edo, they wanted a state of only Edoid people: Bendel ! )
The Akoko-Edo are in no way "garvitating" around yoruba.
You certainly don't even know what Benin refers to, just like the usual yoruba.
I just hope you know that we have Benin City < Benin Kingdom < Benin Empire.
Be more precise about what you are talking about.
The only braggart I see here are you and your fellow yoruba, you are clearly diving into a subject on which you know nothing.

What are you talking about pls?
I have no grouse between you or Benins or anyone else, I am simply stating things as I see it. At least I can say I am fairly familiar with that area, as it is in the Ebira general neighbourhood, even though I may not be an expert.

If Akoko Edos are not gravitating towards Yoruba than other Edos, then why is it that someone was complaining a while ago that people see them as Yorubas even though they are not. Why is the entire issue even a topic for discussion then? You have to understand that the Akoko Edo environment is very different from what is obtainable in Benin I have been to both.


If I may ask, What led to the breakup of Bendel state into Edo and Delta states respectively?
You know Bendel state was a result of the combination of two provinces (Benin and Delta provinces). Did the Delta people chose by their own volition to be separate?
I know they complained that all their money were being carted of to Benin to develop it.

AdeizaPaul:


First and foremost, your ad hominem attacks on my person by calling me "Big Fat liar" and all sort of other names won't work here. So because You know I am Ebira, you think you can force your reasons of why YOU THINK I am involved in this thread on me?

I have 2 questions for you.

What is the origin of Etunos?
What language do Etunos speak?



I will forgive your ignorance on any issues relating to Anebira because you are not one. Same way you can excuse some yorubas here for making some claims.
Who told you the name Ebira is new? Some Ebiras chose to be known as Egbira, others as Egbura but never you say the name is a new coinage, because it is not. Ethnologue classifies Etuno simly as an Ebira dialect, which is what it is.




Read Up
Ebira Etuno leaders bear their minds on Anebira Opete'

Watch this video and change your warped perspective
What is the difference between an Advize from Okene and an Adavize from Igarra other than political boundary?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxMO1pOTv4U

Listen clearly to where this Igarra chief said that he Hopes and prays for the day that all EBIRAS will come together as One and discuss common interests.
He said it CLEARLY that everyone in the EBIRA NATION are one and have a unique way of identifying one another, no matter where we are across the globe.

It is so funny how while you on one hand are trying to promote your cultural uniqueness are trying to drive a wedge of division beween basoically the same people, the Taos and the Etunos.

Listen and listen carefully: I am partly Anetuno and partly from other parts of Akoko-Edo hence I am more Etuno than you anyhow you may look at it. Same explains my versed knowledge of the entire Akoko-Edo. So your accusation against me of trying to, as an outsider, drive a wedge between Igarra and Ebira people's false sameness is therefore funny and puerile.
So insults are painful? Were your tagging me as hateful of Yorubas or looking at history through a tube and lot others in your very first mention of me complementary remarks? By your question on the language spoken by Etunos you have actually boxed yourself ta tight corner. Both Etuno and Ebira are dialects of the Oshuku Language.
Ebira is not a Language but a dialect under the Oshuku Language.
There is no name like Adavize in Etuno. What they have is Adaviriku. Here are some details about the irreconcilable differences between Etuno and Ebira.
1. In Etuno, stone is called ireta while Ebiras call it akuku.
2. In Etuno, fish is called Isenyi while Ebiras call it ivovo.
3. Bottle is called ipanava in Etuno while Ebiras call it jongo.
4. Snake is isechichi in Etuno while Ebiras call it ewu.
And lots more, hence the differences are there.
In addition, Ebiras are predominantly moslems (up to 70℅) while Igarrans up to 90℅ Christians.
There is a whole world of difference between the value systems of these two groups.
Igarras celebrate festivals like Aba, Aazi, Echetete, Ubete, Ututanebe, etc which Ebiras don't. These cleavages were already prominent while they were yet unseparated Oshuku descendants.
The Ebiras that reside in Igarra have a separate location chosen by themselves where they build their houses and live. It is called Ekunchi Area.
They don't live interspersed among Igarrans because they know they are neither in Ebiraland nor actually the same people as Igarrans.
Mind you that in Anthropology it is a principle that dialects diverge wide enough over time to become separate languages in their own rights. However, for the fact that there is no agreed extent of divergence at which a separate language could be said to have formed from a dialect, then it remains the prerogative of the members of any tribal division to choose when their dialect becomes a language.
If Etuno people have at this level of divergence decided that their tongue has become a language, who are Ebiras to refuse them?
The opinion on the video you posted up there does not represent the feelings of majority of Igarra people. Some Igarras erroneously hold such belief for two reasons:
1. They wrongly and ignorantly assume that Igarra is being marginalized in Edo State and that identifying themselves as Ebiras and calling for a transfer of Akoko-Edo to Kogi State can draw the attention of the State government to them. But deep down in their minds they are not genuinely interested.
2. Even the man in the video was once a Representative of Akoko-Edo South in the Edo State House of Assembly, but all through his tenure he never moved such a motion or gave such a clarion call.
When Onuka was the governor of Edo State, all that he concerned himself with was to rival and demystify Oba Erediawa which he however woefully failed to achieve. One would have expected Ebiras to prevail on him to give Igarra special attention if they sincerely believed that Igarras are Ebiras like themselves. But they did not. Onuka never visited Igarra to identify with them as his brothers. Igarrans were however not pained by that because they too did not see him as their kinsman. In fact Igarra community never sent a delegation to pay him a courtesy call all through his tenure. He did not embark on a single project in Igarra. All these were because he and his fellow Ebiras knew deep down in their hearts that Igarra are not Ebiras and would never be. All these current phantom Ebira nation unity peddling is because Ebiras have lost relevance ever after the demise of military rule in which they were well represented and highly influential. Why did they not start this phantom pan-Ebira or Ebura identity movement back then when all was going well between them and Hausa-Fulanis in the military era while Igarrans and other Akoko-Edos were suffering serious irrelevance?
If Ebiras sincerely believed all along that Igarrans are exactly same as themselves, then why did their influential military officers ignore Igarra in its helpless quest to have Akoko-Edo split into three so that they could have one to themselves? Yet those Egbira military officers split Ebiraland into several LGAs without asking how their purported 'fellow Ebiras' somewhere in Edo State without any officer in the military were faring in their helpless push to get just one. It was when democracy came and military influence expired that Ebiras began to preach Oshuku descendants union which they still tried to distort as Ebira descendants union. Mind you that Akoko-Edo actually ended up not being split.
Over 90℅ of Igarras don't agree with the Ebira identity because it is not actually true and added to the fact that the Ebiras themselves have always proven it wrong in action whenever push comes to shove.

^^ Division tactics! very clear
citing all the instances of a bad relationship between the Okenes and the Etunos to designate them as different and unrelated.

Wehdone sir!

When Frank Onaivi Ukonga wanted to run for the Gubernatorial seat in Edo back in 2012 tell me what group did he run to first if not the Ebira Vonya International, and the Ohiku-Egbira descendants union?

Meanwhile, Etuno people in Okene earlier this year




We remain one and indivisible!
Same names, same looks, same language, same origin! wetin remain?

Be it Ebira, Egbira, Egbura or Etuno we are all One , and descendants of Ohiku (Oshuku), so no, we are not different at all.

Typical yoruba, can't see passed the british occupation of our lands.
"provinces" ? That word comes from the british colonial occupation, before that colonial occupation those "provinces" were part of the same souvereign country called Benin Kingdom.
Bendel was devided into 2 during a military dictatorship for political reasons.
Nobody is gravitating towards yoruba, rather it is you guys yoruba who keep trying to claim others as yoruba which is why a lot of people keep coming out to say: "we are not yoruba !"

AdeizaPaul:


What are you talking about pls?
I have no grouse between you or Benins or anyone else, I am simply stating things as I see it. At least I can say I am fairly familiar with that area, as it is in the Ebira general neighbourhood, even though I may not be an expert.

If Akoko Edos are not gravitating towards Yoruba than other Edos, then why is it that someone was complaining a while ago that people see them as Yorubas even though they are not. Why is the entire issue even a topic for discussion then? You have to understand that the Akoko Edo environment is very different from what is obtainable in Benin I have been to both.


If I may ask, What led to the breakup of Bendel state into Edo and Delta states respectively?
You know Bendel state was a result of the combination of two provinces (Benin and Delta provinces). Did the Delta people chose by their own volition to be separate?
I know they complained that all their money were being carted of to Benin to develop it.

historyworld031:
Typical yoruba, can't see pass the british occupation of our lands.
"provinces" ? That word comes from the british colonial occupation, before that colonial occupation those "provinces" were part of the same souvereign country called Benin Kingdom.
Bendel was devided into 2 during a military dictatorship for political reasons.
Nobody is gravitating towards yoruba, rather it is you guys yoruba who keep trying to claim others as yoruba which is why a lot of people keep coming out to say: "we are not yoruba !"

Everything in the world are artificial creation of humans, including Benin kingdom, western region, Bendel state, Edo state and what have you, but that is not the point. That is a digression
If Akoko Edo are not Yoruba, why are people mistaking them for one?
Are you calling everyone stupid?

When did you ever see an Ishan man opening a thread to say they are not Yoruba? Have you ever seen such before? Funny.

AdeizaPaul:

If Akoko Edo are not Yoruba, why are people mistaking them for one?
Are you calling everyone stupid?

I already answered this question, you yoruba fellow keep calling these Edo people yoruba which they are not. That is why they are telling everybody: "we are not yoruba !"
Even the Oba of Benin Kingdom's palace had to say: "Omo n'Oba n'Edo is not yoruba".
We Edo are not yoruba ! All your false reasonings won't change this fact ! Leave us alone !

historyworld031:
Typical yoruba, can't see passed the british occupation of our lands.
"provinces" ? That word comes from the british colonial occupation, before that colonial occupation those "provinces" were part of the same souvereign country called Benin Kingdom.
Bendel was devided into 2 during a military dictatorship for political reasons.
Nobody is gravitating towards yoruba, rather it is you guys yoruba who keep trying to claim others as yoruba which is why a lot of people keep coming out to say: "we are not yoruba !"

Trolling you is interesting i swear..

In 1976, a new military exercise was performed following the Justice Irikefe Commission. The country was turned into a 19 State-Federation. In addition to the changes to other parts of the country, the Western State was sub-divided into three States, Oyo, Ogun and Ondo, even though Ogun State was never recommended. Of course it had to be decreed by the Supreme Military Council as a "parting gift" to the then Chief of Staff and later Head of State, General Olusegun Obasanjo. The strongly canvassed Kaduna and Akwa Ibom States did not see their dream realized until under General Ibrahim Babangida in 1988.

What is important is that the only old State, The Midwest was left in tact despite the spirited demands for Delta and Anioma States to "avoid the Bini imperialism". The only change in Midwest that took place was the change of name from Midwest to Bendel an amalgam of Benin and Delta Provinces.

My cousin, Dr. Samuel Osaigbovo Ogbemudia may not know that those who are getting him to organize a meeting of leaders of former Midwestern Region contributed in many ways to the loss of status for old Midwestern Region of Oba Akenzua’s Dream and consequently for the loss of status of and rudderlessness in the two states that grew out of Midwestern Region. Does Sam know that those who submitted memoranda in the name of Afesan, Anioma and Delta States from the old Midwestern Region had one and only one group (BINIS) in the old region that they wanted to avoid like a plague? Why have they called on Dr. Ogbemudia to call such a meeting? Did Sam know that that meeting did not have the best interest of the Edo State at heart? When these people are stuck they come to Benin on the erroneous impression that Benin was the ancestral home to most of the groups in the old Midwestern Region.

http://nigeriaworld.com/feature/publication/omoruyi/070602.html

Benins are perhaps the most imperialist people we have in todays and even historical Nigeria.
Do you want to deny it?

Don't make me laugh, the Bendel state was not divided in 1991 for any sinister motives but the agitation of the people to be alone. Three groups the Afesan, The Aniomas and the Deltas actually wanted out and agitated for it.
At the end of the day , only two states emerged. The Afesans were "stuck" with the Binis, and the Aniomas were lumped with the Deltas.

It was a miscalculation on their part to have believed 4 states could emerge out of the old Mid-western region.

I don't think I will continue talking to you for long.
the subject was about Akoko-Edo and the fact thatv they are Edo, not yoruba.
If you want to engage in an other debate then feel free to get out of this nairaland page.

Now just posting words out of a blog as proof ? That is one of the silliest things one can do.

1) You changed topic
2) you are using words from a blog to "prove" your new claims.

Madness.

By the way, it is this same propaganda that the yoruba tried to use in order to stop the creation of Bendel state. Digging it up and trying to use it again will do you no good.

AdeizaPaul:


Trolling you is interesting i swear..




http://nigeriaworld.com/feature/publication/omoruyi/070602.html

Benins are perhaps the most imperialist people we have in todays and even historical Nigeria.
Do you want to deny it?

Don't make me laugh, the Bendel state was not divided in 1991 for any sinister motives but the agitation of the people to be alone. Three groups the Afesan, The Aniomas and the Deltas actually wanted out and agitated for it.
At the end of the day , only two states emerged.

historyworld031:
I don't think I will continue talking to you for long.
the subject was about Akoko-Edo and the fact thatv they are Edo, not yoruba.
If you want to engage in an other debate then feel free to get out of this nairaland page.

Now just posting words out of a blog as proof ? That is one of the silliest things one can do.

1) You changed topic
2) you are using words from a blog to "prove" your new claims.

Madness.

By the way, it is this same propaganda that the yoruba tried to use in order to stop the creation of Bendel state. Digging it up and trying to use it again will do you no good.

Okay ooo
Btw, the piece you claim is Yoruba propaganda was written by prof. Omo Omoruyi from Benin.

His Email is written there, Africandemocracy@hotmail.com.
And then you keep calling me Yoruba when I am not.

This matter between You and Yoruba, e heavy for mouth oo.

historyworld031:
I don't think I will continue talking to you for long.
the subject was about Akoko-Edo and the fact thatv they are Edo, not yoruba.
If you want to engage in an other debate then feel free to get out of this nairaland page.

Now just posting words out of a blog as proof ? That is one of the silliest things one can do.

1) You changed topic
2) you are using words from a blog to "prove" your new claims.

Madness.

By the way, it is this same propaganda that the yoruba tried to use in order to stop the creation of Bendel state. Digging it up and trying to use it again will do you no good.

Stop going back and forth with that enslaved irrelevant slowpoke from kogi!!

AdeizaPaul:
^^ Division tactics! very clear
citing all the instances of a bad relationship between the Okenes and the Etunos to designate them as different and unrelated.

Wehdone sir!

When Frank Onaivi Ukonga wanted to run for the Gubernatorial seat in Edo back in 2012 tell me what group did he run to first if not the Ebira Vonya International, and the Ohiku-Egbira descendants union?

Meanwhile, Etuno people in Okene earlier this year




We remain one and indivisible!
Same names, same looks, same language, same origin! wetin remain?

Be it Ebira, Egbira, Egbura or Etuno we are all One , and descendants of Ohiku (Oshuku), so no, we are not different at all.

A truly the same people would not even have such instances of bad relationship. They show solidarity to each other irrespective of the political divisions they fall into. An Ijaw man in power or position of influence at the national level would protect and defend the interests of all Ijaws in Rivers, Bayelsa, Delta, Edo and Ondo States because Ijaws are really one and the same. Same with Yorubas, Igbos and Hausa-Fulanis.
But put an Ebira man in power and he would fight for the interest of only Ebiras and when he loses that position he suddenly 'realizes' Ebiras extend beyond Okene.

That you do refer to Igarrans as annavi without provocation says it all. A people who are genuinely convinced that they are identical with another set of people would not have ever tagged them annavi as that would have meant that they too were annavi. For instance if without any provocation I keep call my sibling a bastard then I implicitly call myself a bastard as well. But if I insist he is a bastard and that I myself am not, then common sense dictates that he is not actually my sibling in the real sense of the word. This is simple logic.

On Frank Onaivi Ukonga; How can someone nursing Edo State Governorship ambition run to Kogi State for support? What kind of support was that one? Since when did the Nigeria constitution begin to allow registered voters in one state vote in another State's election? How exactly were Ebiras supposed to support him for an Election in Edo State? Your claim here would have been valid if the guy were contesting for president.
Can't you see the different straws you've been holding onto?
On the picture you posted of Igarra women visiting Okene: it is very simple. They visited them as fellow Oshukus not as fellow Ebiras.

Even you yourself agree that the name "Oshuku" exists. Why have you been trying to replace it with "Ebira" is what I don't understand. Is "Ebira" synonymous with "Oshuku" in meaning?
This is the question you have avoided like a plague, and until you answer it all your stories here will keep reinforcing the perception among Igarrans that the Ebiras are out to subsume other Oshukus' identity under theirs and re-colonize them.

AdeizaPaul:


I said it categorically that they are not Yorubas, so I don't exctly get the point of this.
Have I claimed otherwise?

The theme of the position of the Akoko-Edos on this thread is that we are not Yorubas. Your coming in here to antagonize us logically means you are of the opinion we are Yorubas. So your denial above is self-contradictory.


Wait, were the Yorubas the ones who "forced" the Akoko Edos to add Akoko to their name like you are postulating here?
because from what I gathered in this thread I think it was you who said they chose to go with the Akoko tag since there was no unifying appelation for all the people in that area. All that area were known as Kukuruukus before they all chose their different distinguishing names, and i very much doubt the Yorubas were the ones who told or coerced them to chose the Akoko-Igarra tag.[/quote]

I thought you said you followed the thread from the beginning? How come you have not seen the context in we accuse Yorubas of forcing themselves on us? I made it clear that the then Western Region Government made Yoruba a compulsory Subject in schools located in the minority areas of the region unlike the Binis who did not kick against Ogbemudia's policy that each school should teach the local language of its host town or village in the Midwestern Region.
You also did not see the comments here in which Yorubas repeatedly claimed that they founded many Akoko-Edo towns and that Akoko-Edo people are actually Yorubas who just want to wear Edoid status just to be politically correct in the Edo State environment. This is in spite of the fact that Akoko-Edos themselves have used countless unassailable facts and logic to prove otherwise? You also failed to notice where I mentioned that YOLICOM included Akoko-Edo in their recent Oodua Republic map without due consultation of the people themselves? If, to you, all these don't constitute self imposition attempts by Yorubas on Akoko-Edos, then I wonder what ever can in your eyes.
You obviously lied with the claim that you have been following this thread. It is now obvious you jumped in at page 9.


So you mean the more than 55 years of independence is not more than enough to correct any policy effect of the Western regional gpvernment that lasted 12 years (1951 to 1963)? That would be quite shocking.[/quote]

If after taking the pains and time to lecture you on how impossible it is for a people to get their distorted identity corrected under unitary system, with even references to the works of Awolowo the most consummate Federalist in Nigeria's history; you still repeat this rhetorical question, then it means you don't enter debates to actually learn to improve your knowledge but just to play the devil's advocate. Most Southerners regard Ebiras as sharing the same domination ideology over Nigeria with the Hausa-Fulanis. How much have you Ebiras been able to correct that perception within the 55 years we have so far spent under this unitary system? How much have you Ebiras been able to, under this 55 year old unitary system, address the stigmatization which you yourself have just freshly accused other Nigerians of placing on you? How much have the Kanuri's of Borno State been able to, under this unitary system, correct the average Southerner's perception that they are one and the same with Hausa-Fulanis? How successful has the generality of the Middle Belt been in their attempts to, under this unitary system, assert themselves as different from Hausa-Fulanis? If unitary system is practised for 1 million years, distorted identities will remain unaddressed for 1 million years. Go and read up Awolowo's written books on federalism vs unitary system before I can engage you further on this.

Why isn't the same level of policy entrenchment seen amongst people like the Ishans and Urhobos, or even Itsekiris to the same level today as it is seen among Akoko Edos? You were all in it together. You can't blame Western region 100% on this, seriously.
This was where my mention of a few ebira villages that have some Yoruba names actually makes sense, because it isn't all about policy somethimes[/quote]

So you have not heard about the Urhobos' current senator with the name Omo-Agege a purely Yoruba name? You also never heard of The Bini man called Late Ephraim Akpata - the first INEC chairman? Is Akpata a Bini or Midwestern name? You have not visited any part of Delta State to see a lot of streets with Yoruba names? You obviously don't travel wide. Are there not more Hausa-Fulani street names than Yoruba ones in Okene, thereby underscoring the influence of the Hausa-Fulani domination of the Northern Region? If being part of a region does not guarantee policy entrenchment, then how come Bank of the North had a Branch established in Okene but never in Igarra which was not in the Northern Region like Okene was?

Now this is interesting.
I think you might be alluding to the fact that the interactions and common boundary between the Akoko Edos and the Yorubas might have had more part to play in this entire Imbroglio that you are ready to admit, because politically, it was no different for Ibillo than it was for Bomadi.
And that is the meat of this whole discussion. Neighbouring peoples have been interacting eons before anything colonial in Nigeria.[/quote]

You have been labouring to change the topic of this thread. But here it is again: Among all the 12 tribal divisions within the Western Region minorities, Akoko-Edo was the most heterogeneous hence had its identity most vulnerable to attacks and distortions by the Yorubas, and so it really ended up. The other divisions were homogeneous thus could unite to fend off Yorubalization attempts to good extents but for Akoko-Edo the required homogeneity to fight back coordinately was absent hence the larger scale identity distortion as Yorubas fully descended on them with little or no resistance. This is the long and short of the whole argument. Why deliberately refuse to get it remains a puzzle to me.

I never said the Ogoris were Yoruba.
I said they are usually trilingual. Theya re not Yoruba, Ebira or Edo, they are their own people, yet the influence of all three tribes reflect in their lifestyle. Who is forcing them to exhibit traits that are not indigenous to them?
Look at Ososo of today that are celebrating Ebira festivities like Unehe, have the Ebiras gone there to force them to do it?[/quote]

You are still off track. Our point here is that Yorubas are forcing themselves on Akoko-Edo and I have given you the evidences which rather than acknowledge or prove wrong, you veered into Ogori and Ososo vs Ebira. How is that related to the topic under discussion?

This is apples to oranges comparison based on what is being discussed here. If a Lagosian came here to deny the presence of Igbo dominated areas within Lagos now, then yes you might have a point. Heck some ososo people can eve speak Ebira.[/quote]

Does that now make Ososos Ebiras any more than your ability to speak English makes you a white man? Has Lagos become Igbo land on account of those Igbo dominated areas of Lagos?

So the fact that Okenes call Etunos derogatory names means what? that they don't have the same root?
How is Etuno being of same stock as Ebira Tao (Okene) from the same source in Kwararafa any different from you in Akoko Edo claiming to have come from Benin? Etunos can understand us, Can you understand Benin without learning it?[/quote]

Why call them derogatory and subhuman names in the first instance if you are sincere in your belief that they are one and the same with you? Have you ever seen a Hausa man call another Hausa man derogatory names? Do Fulanis do that even though they are natives of different states? Do Igalas do so to one another? Do Binis do it? Derogatory name calling is an inter-tribal/inter-ethnic phenomenon and never intra-tribal/intra-ethnic.
So, the fact that it is happening between Ebiras and Etunos means they are actually different tribes/ethnicities from each other.
Among Yorubas of Ogun State you have the Egbas, the Ijebus, the Aworis, the Yewas, etc. Does the fact that they all share the Yoruba generic name, and understand one another to a good extent mean that all the other three (Egbas, Aworis, Yewas) have become Ijebus just because Ijebus have more population than them? This is analogy of the Ebiras vs Etuno case.
A lot of Bini words and expressions feature in Okpameri and Uneme Languages, just that the extent of divergence from Bini has become so large that mutual intelligiblity is now very low. With time too the extent of divergence of Etuno from Ebira will make it compulsory for an Ebira man to deliberately learn Etuno before understanding them speak. It has already gone far enough as of now.

Yes, Imoga and Ekor are more Yoruba than Ibillo by my own experience, that is why I brought them up, they basically attend the same churches as Yorubas , that is why I have chosen to mention CAC.. Do you get to see CAC churches in that much prominence anywhere outside Yorubaland?[/quote]

Then you have not really studied Imoga and Ekor deeply.
Ekor used to be a quarters in Ibillo and just recently it got recognized and gazetted by the State Government as an independent Okpameri (not Yoruba) clan. This means Ekor people themselves applied to be recognized as an independent Okpameri clan and not as Yorubas. I guess you know Ekor people more than they know themselves? Imoga is described as the Largest Okpameri settlement in terms of landmass. Imoga people speak Okpameri which has alphabets v, z and which are absent in Yoruba Language but present in Bini Language. So how Imoga and Ekor are more Yoruba than Bini is a product of your experience got from just driving past them without having really interacted deeply with them.

It's getting more interesting... The stage is set for more revelations and insights.

Deadlytruth:


The theme of the position of the Akoko-Edos on this thread is that we are not Yorubas. Your coming in here to antagonize us logically means you are of the opinion we are Yorubas. So your denial above is self-contradictory.


Wait, were the Yorubas the ones who "forced" the Akoko Edos to add Akoko to their name like you are postulating here?
because from what I gathered in this thread I think it was you who said they chose to go with the Akoko tag since there was no unifying appelation for all the people in that area. All that area were known as Kukuruukus before they all chose their different distinguishing names, and i very much doubt the Yorubas were the ones who told or coerced them to chose the Akoko-Igarra tag.

I thought you said you followed the thread from the beginning? How come you have not seen the context in we accuse Yorubas of forcing themselves on us? I made it clear that the then Western Region Government made Yoruba a compulsory Subject in schools located in the minority areas of the region unlike the Binis who did not kick against Ogbemudia's policy that each school should teach the local language of its host town or village in the Midwestern Region.
You also did not see the comments here in which Yorubas repeatedly claimed that they founded many Akoko-Edo towns and that Akoko-Edo people are actually Yorubas who just want to wear Edoid status just to be politically correct in the Edo State environment. This is in spite of the fact that Akoko-Edos themselves have used countless unassailable facts and logic to prove otherwise? You also failed to notice where I mentioned that YOLICOM included Akoko-Edo in their recent Oodua Republic map without due consultation of the people themselves? If, to you, all these don't constitute self imposition attempts by Yorubas on Akoko-Edos, then I wonder what ever can in your eyes.
You obviously lied with the claim that you have been following this thread. It is now obvious you jumped in at page 9.


So you mean the more than 55 years of independence is not more than enough to correct any policy effect of the Western regional gpvernment that lasted 12 years (1951 to 1963)? That would be quite shocking.

If after taking the pains and time to lecture you on how impossible it is for a people to get their distorted identity corrected under unitary system, with even references to the works of Awolowo the most consummate Federalist in Nigeria's history; you still repeat this rhetorical question, then it means you don't enter debates to actually learn to improve your knowledge but just to play the devil's advocate. Most Southerners regard Ebiras as sharing the same domination ideology over Nigeria with the Hausa-Fulanis. How much have you Ebiras been able to correct that perception within the 55 years we have so far spent under this unitary system? How much have you Ebiras been able to, under this 55 year old unitary system, address the stigmatization which you yourself have just freshly accused other Nigerians of placing on you? How much have the Kanuri's of Borno State been able to, under this unitary system, correct the average Southerner's perception that they are one and the same with Hausa-Fulanis? How successful has the generality of the Middle Belt been in their attempts to, under this unitary system, assert themselves as different from Hausa-Fulanis? If unitary system is practised for 1 million years, distorted identities will remain unaddressed for 1 million years. Go and read up Awolowo's written books on federalism vs unitary system before I can engage you further on this.

Why isn't the same level of policy entrenchment seen amongst people like the Ishans and Urhobos, or even Itsekiris to the same level today as it is seen among Akoko Edos? You were all in it together. You can't blame Western region 100% on this, seriously.
This was where my mention of a few ebira villages that have some Yoruba names actually makes sense, because it isn't all about policy somethimes

So you have not heard about the Urhobos' current senator with the name Omo-Agege a purely Yoruba name? You also never heard of The Bini man called Late Ephraim Akpata - the first INEC chairman? Is Akpata a Bini or Midwestern name? You have not visited any part of Delta State to see a lot of streets with Yoruba names? You obviously don't travel wide. Are there not more Hausa-Fulani street names than Yoruba ones in Okene, thereby underscoring the influence of the Hausa-Fulani domination of the Northern Region? If being part of a region does not guarantee policy entrenchment, then how come Bank of the North had a Branch established in Okene but never in Igarra which was not in the Northern Region like Okene was?

Now this is interesting.
I think you might be alluding to the fact that the interactions and common boundary between the Akoko Edos and the Yorubas might have had more part to play in this entire Imbroglio that you are ready to admit, because politically, it was no different for Ibillo than it was for Bomadi.
And that is the meat of this whole discussion. Neighbouring peoples have been interacting eons before anything colonial in Nigeria.

You have been labouring to change the topic of this thread. But here it is again: Among all the 12 tribal divisions within the Western Region minorities, Akoko-Edo was the most heterogeneous hence had its identity most vulnerable to attacks and distortions by the Yorubas, and so it really ended up. The other divisions were homogeneous thus could unite to fend off Yorubalization attempts to good extents but for Akoko-Edo the required homogeneity to fight back coordinately was absent hence the larger scale identity distortion as Yorubas fully descended on them with little or no resistance. This is the long and short of the whole argument. Why deliberately refuse to get it remains a puzzle to me.

I never said the Ogoris were Yoruba.
I said they are usually trilingual. Theya re not Yoruba, Ebira or Edo, they are their own people, yet the influence of all three tribes reflect in their lifestyle. Who is forcing them to exhibit traits that are not indigenous to them?
Look at Ososo of today that are celebrating Ebira festivities like Unehe, have the Ebiras gone there to force them to do it?

You are still off track. Our point here is that Yorubas are forcing themselves on Akoko-Edo and I have given you the evidences which rather than acknowledge or prove wrong, you veered into Ogori and Ososo vs Ebira. How is that related to the topic under discussion?

This is apples to oranges comparison based on what is being discussed here. If a Lagosian came here to deny the presence of Igbo dominated areas within Lagos now, then yes you might have a point. Heck some ososo people can eve speak Ebira.

Does that now make Ososos Ebiras any more than your ability to speak English makes you a white man? Has Lagos become Igbo land on account of those Igbo dominated areas of Lagos?

So the fact that Okenes call Etunos derogatory names means what? that they don't have the same root?
How is Etuno being of same stock as Ebira Tao (Okene) from the same source in Kwararafa any different from you in Akoko Edo claiming to have come from Benin? Etunos can understand us, Can you understand Benin without learning it?

Why call them derogatory and subhuman names in the first instance if you are sincere in your belief that they are one and the same with you? Have you ever seen a Hausa man call another Hausa man derogatory names? Do Fulanis do that even though they are natives of different states? Do Igalas do so to one another? Do Binis do it? Derogatory name calling is an inter-tribal/inter-ethnic phenomenon and never intra-tribal/intra-ethnic.
So, the fact that it is happening between Ebiras and Etunos means they are actually different tribes/ethnicities from each other.
Among Yorubas of Ogun State you have the Egbas, the Ijebus, the Aworis, the Yewas, etc. Does the fact that they all share the Yoruba generic name, and understand one another to a good extent mean that all the other three (Egbas, Aworis, Yewas) have become Ijebus just because Ijebus have more population than them? This is analogy of the Ebiras vs Etuno case.
A lot of Bini words and expressions feature in Okpameri and Uneme Languages, just that the extent of divergence from Bini has become so large that mutual intelligiblity is now very low. With time too the extent of divergence of Etuno from Ebira will make it compulsory for an Ebira man to deliberately learn Etuno before understanding them speak. It has already gone far enough as of now.

Yes, Imoga and Ekor are more Yoruba than Ibillo by my own experience, that is why I brought them up, they basically attend the same churches as Yorubas , that is why I have chosen to mention CAC.. Do you get to see CAC churches in that much prominence anywhere outside Yorubaland?

Then you have not really studied Imoga and Ekor deeply.
Ekor used to be a quarters in Ibillo and just recently got recognized and gazetted by the State Government as an independent Okpameri (not Yoruba) clan. This means Ekor people themselves applied to be recognized as an Okpameri and not Yoruba. I guess you know Ekor people more than they know themselves? Imoga is described as the Largest Okpameri settlement in terms of Land area. Imoga people speak Okpameri which has alphabets v, z and which are absent in Yoruba Language but present in Bini Language. So how Imoga and Ekor are more Yoruba than Bini is a product of your experience got from just driving past them without having really interacted deeply with them.

^^^^^^
^^^^^^
Well-informed Yoruba people know that
most Akoko-Edos identify as Edo people.

I haven't also come across a major campaign
where Yorubas are claiming Akoko-Edos
for inclusion in Yorubaland.

Where there is need to clarify and educate
any group that may have mistakenly added
you to their map, please do so and they will
understand. There is NO need to fight
or insult anyone like some people have done on this thread because of their lack of perception
and analysis.

Thanks for the post though.

All the best!


P.S. Adeiza is an Ebira name. Ade is a prefix
that is used by Yoruba, Igala, Ebira, Idoma, and
in Edo State [I know of a retired General Ademokhai].

Konquest:

^^^^^^
^^^^^^
Well-informed Yoruba people know that
most Akoko-Edos identify as Edo people.

I haven't also come across a major campaign
where Yorubas are claiming Akoko-Edos
for inclusion in Yorubaland.

Where there is need to clarify and educate
any group that may have mistakenly added
you to their map, please do so and they will
understand. There is NO need to fight
or insult anyone like some people have done on this thread because of their lack of perception
and analysis.

Thanks for the post though.

All the best!


P.S. Adeiza is an Ebira name. Ade is a prefix
that is used by Yoruba, Igala, Ebira, Idoma, and
in Edo State [I know of a retired General Ademokhai].

Most Akoko Edos identify as Edo state indegene not Edo ethnicity

An other yoruba who makes himself spokesman of the Edo.
Look, I would love to see the survey which you conducted among my Edo brothers.
yes I know, there is no survey, like the usual yoruba, you base all you say on wishful thinking.
Look, the matter is are the Akoko-Edo Edo or not, and the answer is yes, they are Edo.
I just don't know how you get the effrontery to claim you know what most Akoko-Edo think.
Do you actually believe you are a mind reader ? Or did you miniatorize and go inside the brains of my brothers ?
yoruba, talk for your own people if you want, stop trying to talk for my Edo people.
Also, if one is not Edo then he is not indigenous to Edo state nor Delta state.

OlaoChi:


Most Akoko Edos identify as Edo state indegene not Edo ethnicity

OlaoChi:


Most Akoko Edos identify as Edo state indegene not Edo ethnicity

But from what you can see right here, most of the Akoko-Edos that have spoken have identified themselves not just as Edo State indigens but as Edoids and breakaway migrants from the Bini Kingdom who have undergone a lot of cultural evolution and language divergence from Bini.
Why keep trying to speak for a people who are speaking for themselves? Is that not an evidence of a malicious intention?

macof:



If you don't know the difference between Kingdom and Empire that's not my problem really

And I purposely stated 6 because parts of Orhiomwon belongs to Ika - Igbos

Rather than charge out on "ethnic defence mission" you should have stated what you think Bini kingdom comprises and prove how I'm wrong.

afonj we also have Bini natives too in Orhionmwon.

DateMynd44:
afonj we also have Bini natives too in Orhionmwon.

The Bini natives even constitute the overwhelming majority in Orhiomwon.

Deadlytruth:


The Bini natives even constitute the overwhelming majority in Orhiomwon.

u can even see it from name of the local government.
the ika are a minor extraction there.

DateMynd44:
u can even see it from name of the local government.
the ika are a minor extraction there.

They are less than 5% of the total landmass or even population.
But one wonders why that guy you quoted and his fellow accomplices on this thread think they know us better than we know ourselves when they themselves would not tolerate similar posturing from outsiders.

Deadlytruth:

They are less than 5% of the total landmass or even population.
But one wonders why that guy you quoted and his fellow accomplices on this thread think they know us better than we know ourselves when they themselves would not tolerate similar posturing from outsiders.

Macof is Yoruba, who doesn't believe in the existence of Jehovah.
I've known him on this forum since 2014
he always claim to have a knowledge of Benin more than the Binis themself.
he shot himself in the foot when he said Uselu is a local government on it's own. where as Uselu is a community under Egor LGA

DateMynd44:
Macof is Yoruba, who doesn't believe in the existence of Jehovah.
I've known him on this forum since 2014
he always claim to have a knowledge of Benin more than the Binis themself.
he shot himself in the foot when he said Uselu is a local government on it's own. where as Uselu is a community under Egor LGA

What has jehovah got to do with this?

Well maybe Bini youths should learn more about Benin. I dont remember ever posting that Uselu was a LGA.

DateMynd44:
afonj we also have Bini natives too in Orhionmwon.

And I agree, however Orhionmwon is not exclusively Bini, and i believe that was made clear wasn't it

[color=#000099][/color] Please I need someone to write about
The culture of okpameri,
The governance of okpameri,
The Marriage system of Okpameri,
The Education of Okpameri
The Kingship of Okpameri
The Farming system of Okpameri
The Marriage system of Okpameri.

Please who can give me the direction to ibillo from Benin with bus...tks

ezanafe:
No need for argument my people. I am from Ibillo and in fact i live there currently so i know my ORIGIN, those who don't know theirs should please find out and stop misconceptions on this thread. #I KNOW MY ORIGIN.

Hello,pls how can I get to ibillo town from Benin with bus..tks