superhumanist:
I never bothered or even understood the meaning of "first fruit" until last week. It came as a surprise when a friend called asking for money. Let's assume that his name is "John". John is a man that has a high paying job in a federal government office and he has one or two side hustles- this is why I was surprised that he needed money badly.

Apparently, he gave almost all of his income in January to his church in the name of first fruit and he became a bit broke during the period. Knowing what John earns, he must have given over 1.5 million Naira to the church (I assist him in one of his side hustles and so, I know). He expected that his other side hustle will make up for his first fruit donation but it did not go as planned

This is a man with wife and children reduced to begging his junior (me) all in the name of first fruit. John is like an older brother to me. He usually pays for drinks or food whenever we go out. I am so pissed at how churches have brainwashed hardworking, educated people. It is also important to point out that as a big boy, John spends big and also borrows big.....and so, I am burdened with lending him a huge amount till he recovers from the first fruit blow to his account.

Lionbutterfly:


John who gave as much as 1.5 mil naira as first fruit when he did not just start the job and is not his first salary is suddenlt broke despite making as much as 1.5 mil naira monthly.

superhumanist:
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Apparently, he gave almost all of his income in January to his church in the name of first fruit

I am so pissed at how churches have brainwashed hardworking, educated people. It is also important to point out that as a big boy, John spends big

and also borrows big.....

and so, I am burdened with lending him a huge amount till he recovers from the first fruit blow to his account.

superhumanist:


Let me correct your lack of comprehension.

If you had the sense to read clearly, you would have understood these 3 things from the story


1. It was clearly stated that John spends a lot. To him, an account balance of 700k is being broke.

2. It was a temporary brokeness. He was only broke at the moment, he will bounce back after a month or two.

3. It was never stated when he started his job.


Ogbeni, leave my thread if you want to make a clown of yourself.

petra1:


That means he didn’t give all in church . Why lying.



When he spends BIG as a Big boy in buying drinks and co , you don’t seem to have problem with that ... hmm interesting ...



So it’s a lifestyle to spend big and borrow Big . You are only pissed that this time it’s God he gave to ... and you’re angry and won’t lend to him as you would have done if he had spent the money on booze



When he spent Big he wasn’t forced when he gave in church he wasn’t forced . Why get angry at church . If he gave to God in spirit and truth he will be blessed .

Lionbutterfly:


Now you are adding salt and Maggi to your story which by the way still remains a lie

Someone who makes 1.5m naira monthly even with kids his kids and wife in tow cannot just go broke when that is not his first salary. Also for someone who makes 1.5m naira a month his friend circle would easily bail him out in times of need and not him coming to "a junior" as if he is going insane.

Plus perhaps your story also means that his wife is broke as well?

Suddenly he will bounce back in a month or two despite making as much as 1.5 mil naira monthly

I guess your idea in this lie of him bouncing back is when he has 3mil in his account same way you said his idea of being broke is when he has 700k in his account.

Ogbeni your lie is so fancy its qualified to be a designer lie.

petra1:


That means he didn’t give all in church . Why lying.



When he spends BIG as a Big boy in buying drinks and co , you don’t seem to have problem with that ... hmm interesting ...



So it’s a lifestyle to spend big and borrow Big . You are only pissed that this time it’s God he gave to ... and you’re angry and won’t lend to him as you would have done if he had spent the money on booze



When he spent Big he wasn’t forced when he gave in church he wasn’t forced . Why get angry at church . If he gave to God in spirit and truth he will be blessed .

superhumanist:



I know you want to derail.

It is like you have not finished school and worked one day in your life with responsibilities.

Apparently, he gave [b]almost all of his income in January to his church in the name of first fruit and he became a bit broke during the period.[/b]

superhumanist:


There is a clear difference in spending big and giving away almost all your money.

At least, he has never spent 1.5 million on drinks unlike the first fruit.

petra1:


Giving to God do involve sacrificial giving sometimes . It’s not about first fruit . Some people have been led to empty their account . Just like the story of the widow who have all she had . It’s only a temporal inconvenience . If you are led to give to him fine . But don’t blame the church or pastor . Because pastor gave his also

Seun:
Every first fruit story is a tragedy. Of course, giving away an entire month salary can make you go broke and have to beg your poorer friends for money. Christ Embassy workers in particular are known for this. The story is plausible.

Apparently, he gave almost all of his income in January to his church in the name of first fruit and he became a bit broke during the period.

Lionbutterfly:


From the OP



Please stop compounding his lies for him and there is nothing plausible about his story. If you are probably biased due to your finding religion despicable, say so and stop trying to support an obvious lie.

superhumanist:



Please leave the thread. First fruit does not mean all your income.

https://www.naija.ng/amp/1114104-how-calculate-fruit-offering.html


Swerve with your ignorance

superhumanist:


Where in the Bible was first fruit given in money?

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petra1:


Numbers 18:15-16

Lionbutterfly:


Please do not and i repeat, do not invite me to any lying thread you open. Everyone can see the lies in your story and not just me.

By the way this comment of yours




This means that even the 1.5m you claim he gave to the church isn't his income but a part of it and since you said that to him, 700k in his account means he is broke which neccessitated his coming to you (as absurd as that sounds) so I will assume he makes 1.5mil plus 700k so he makes 2.2 mil monthly.

Plus how did you know he gave almost all? Do you have access to his account?

Lying seems to be the new fashion trend now.

I am out. You can keep lying to whoever wishes to contribute to your lie.

His imaginary wife did not complain to you, neither did his imaginary kids but suddenly this became YOUR PAINFUL EXPERIENCE. I never knew you had such compassion over a friend who borrows heavily and spends heavily simply because he gave an imaginary first fruit to an imaginary church.
This comment made my night !

superhumanist:
I never bothered or even understood the meaning of "first fruit" until last week. It came as a surprise when a friend called asking for money. Let's assume that his name is "John". John is a man that has a high paying job in a federal government office and he has one or two side hustles- this is why I was surprised that he needed money badly.

Apparently, he gave almost all of his income in January to his church in the name of first fruit and he became a bit broke during the period. Knowing what John earns, he must have given over 1.5 million Naira to the church (I assist him in one of his side hustles and so, I know). He expected that his other side hustle will make up for his first fruit donation but it did not go as planned

This is a man with wife and children reduced to begging his junior (me) all in the name of first fruit. John is like an older brother to me. He usually pays for drinks or food whenever we go out. I am so pissed at how churches have brainwashed hardworking, educated people. It is also important to point out that as a big boy, John spends big and also borrows big.....and so, I am burdened with lending him a huge amount till he recovers from the first fruit blow to his account.

Seun:
Every first fruit story is a tragedy. Of course, giving away an entire month salary can make you go broke and have to beg your poorer friends for money. Christ Embassy workers in particular are known for this. The story is plausible.

petra1:


Numbers 18:15-16

Lionbutterfly:


You are the ignorant liar.

If first fruit does not mean all, how did "your imaginary big boy friend" calculate his or how did you calculate it for him to mean he gave 1.5 mil naira when your story never said he told you how much he gave?

Even you are compounding Your Own lies by yourself

Lionbutterfly:


Bible scholar. Great reference

superhumanist:


FALSE!

Reading the whole chapter (Numbers 18) shows that the instructions there were for Aaron from God. It is clearly stated that the animals and fruits/grain were the first fruits that were offered to the lord. The shekels or money mentioned in verse 15-16 were for Aaron to redeem certain animals for himself- the money itself is not first fruit from the congregation of isreal

blessedvisky:

Bro You REALLY sound PAINED by the fact that you have to lend someone money. Going by your post, John has at least 3 means of stable income. I can also deduce that John trusts you a lot and sees you as Family. Now the real question is this

WHY ARE YOU SO ANNOYED THAT SOMEONE WHO SPENDS ON YOU, TRUSTS YOU ENOUGH TO ASSIST IN A SIDE HUSTLE, AND IS OK WITH YOU KNOWING ROUGHLY HOW MUCH HE EARNS, IS BORROWING MONEY FROM YOU?

Is there something you arent telling us ? Im making Some assumptions on thé type of "Friend" that you are but let me keep them First. I await your response

petra1:


Numbers 18:15-16

connectikut89:


If I call you mumu now you'll say I'm being carnal and insulting. You are a blind fool

. How is the verse you have mentioned congruent to what Pastors of nowadays call First fruits?

superhumanist:


FALSE!

Reading the whole chapter (Numbers 18) shows that the instructions there were for Aaron from God. It is clearly stated that the animals and fruits/grain were the first fruits that were offered to the lord. The shekels or money mentioned in verse 15-16 were for Aaron to redeem certain animals for himself- the money itself is not first fruit from the congregation of isreal

petra1:


The reference I gave just explained a principle to answer the question I was asked . If money was used for first fruit . Yes ! Is firstborn not a first fruit? Was money paid ? Yes !

People gave to God in Agro produce because they were farmers . And they still have option of redeeming it by cash . Money has alsways been used for offerings and tithes . But primarily they gave Agro produce . Anything can be given to God . If it can be used in the sevhce of God but what God can’t used can be replaced by cash . It’s not every crop that God accept and not very animal that God accepted . Cash was used in place of the unclean animals . Just like the human first born

petra1:


The reference I gave just explained a principle to answer the question I was asked . If money was used for first fruit . Yes ! Is firstborn not a first fruit? Was money paid ? Yes !

People gave to God in Agro produce because they were farmers . And they still have option of redeeming it by cash . Money has alsways been used for offerings and tithes . But primarily they gave Agro produce . Anything can be given to God . If it can be used in the sevhce of God but what God can’t used can be replaced by cash . It’s not every crop that God accept and not very animal that God accepted . Cash was used in place of the unclean animals . Just like the human first born

Lionbutterfly:


You really have time to engage the OP who opened this lying thread.