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Re: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by Martinez19(m): 8:08am On Feb 09, 2018
Lionbutterfly:


John who gave as much as 1.5 mil naira as first fruit when he did not just start the job and is not his first salary is suddenly broke despite making as much as 1.5 mil naira monthly.

Keep lying.
You do have a point but he said John spends big and borrows big. For someone like John to run out of cash, it's either he spends REALLY big or Money doesn't come until month end.
Re: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by petra1(m): 8:12am On Feb 09, 2018
superhumanist:

In all the instances, first fruit has always been agric produce or farm animals.

What of human first born ? Is he Agric ?

Every firsthing belong to God .

There are different offerings in he bible . First fruit offering is only one of the many . Offerings are given in cash or kind .

God didn’t accept dog ,horse or other unclean animals in offerings . The offerer give money instead .

Numbers 18:15-16
15 The first birth of every living thing which is offered to the Lord, of man or beast, is to be yours; but for the first sons of man payment is to be made, and for the first young of unclean beasts. 16 Payment is to be made for these when they are a month old, at the value fixed by you, a price of five shekels by the scale of the holy place, that is, twenty gerahs to the shekel.
Re: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by superhumanist(m): 8:17am On Feb 09, 2018
petra1:


What of human first born ? Is he Agric ?

Every firsthing belong to God .

There are different offerings in he bible . First fruit offering is only one of the many .







Ogbeni stop talking nonsense. The point is that money has never been first fruit.

The money mentioned in the verses were not even the first of anything.
Re: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by superhumanist(m): 8:18am On Feb 09, 2018
Martinez19:
You do have a point but he said John spends big and borrows big. For someone like John to run out of cash, it's either he spends REALLY big or Money doesn't come until month end.


Very simple deduction.

Thanks for seeing the point clearly
Re: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by petra1(m): 8:25am On Feb 09, 2018
superhumanist:



Ogbeni stop talking nonsense. The point is that money has never been first fruit.

The money mentioned in the verses were not even the first of anything.

Numbers 18:16
16 Payment is to be made for these when they are a month old, at the value fixed by you, a price of five shekels by the scale of the holy place, that is, twenty gerahs to the shekel.

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Re: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by superhumanist(m): 9:18am On Feb 09, 2018
petra1:


Numbers 18:16
16 Payment is to be made for these when they are a month old, at the value fixed by you, a price of five shekels by the scale of the holy place, that is, twenty gerahs to the shekel.

Where is it said that those shekels are the first salary? Those shekels are for the preists to redeem from the first fruit offerings. Meaning that the shekels are a month late given the stipulation of 1 month after the first sons are offered
Re: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by petra1(m): 10:03am On Feb 09, 2018
superhumanist:


Where is it said that those shekels are the first salary? Those shekels are for the preists to redeem from the first fruit offerings. Meaning that the shekels are a month late given the stipulation of 1 month after the first sons are offered

Let me make it clear to you by a simple question . How would a seller of dogs give his first fruit ?
Re: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by superhumanist(m): 10:12am On Feb 09, 2018
petra1:


Let me make it clear to you by a simple question . How would a seller of dogs give his first fruit ?


None of my business. First fruit is a scam
Re: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by petra1(m): 10:18am On Feb 09, 2018
superhumanist:

None of my business.

Well according to scriptures . They gave money as firstfruits in replacement of unclean animal

First fruit is a scam

You may even call the Bible and God a scam as well
Re: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by connectikut89(m): 10:36am On Feb 09, 2018
petra1:


Matthew 5:22
but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

2 Timothy 2:24
24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,


I know you’re still growing but The word of God doesn not require fight. Excersice some fruits of the spirit . And restrain or I can’t discuss with you. Post your point with biblical references let the viewer judge.

Matthew 23:17 NLT - Blind fools! Which is more important—the gold or the Temple that makes the gold sacred?
That was Jesus Christ speaking. If we are to go by your thought process, Jesus Christ our Saviour was still "growing", was fighting while trying to convince his listeners, and didn't exercise the fruits of the spirit. Well done sir.

And oga I don't post inapplicable bible verses like you. Matthew 5:22 was clearly talking about two adversaries but you ignored the first part of the verse and posted the second that suits you. Keep deceiving people o.


Money has always been exchange . God accepted money for tithes offerings and first fruits . Any giving to God can be quantified in money . God dealt with Isreal as a nation of farmers . All first things belong to God . Even first born belong to God and they shouid be Killed . But by redemption money could be given .

All first things belong to God. I agree. But because all things belong to God, we must redeem all things in church abi? You're saying we should redeem our first house, first car, first iPhone, first contract, first anything you can think of? How much will it cost to redeem my first house when I build it?

You know you did ask us to let the viewers judge. I hope they see how you and your other pastors insult their sensibilities in a bid to swindle them of their hard-earned money.

Oga show us bible verse where God required tithes or first fruits to be primarily money and stop giving us semantics. Money was always conditional.

Deuteronomy 14: 24-25 & Numbers 18:15-16 are perfect examples were money was conditional. But I bet you don't know what a conditional statement looks like.

Frauds!!

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Re: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by petra1(m): 11:01am On Feb 09, 2018
connectikut89:


All first things belong to God. I agree. But because all things belong to God, we must redeem all things in church abi? You're saying we should redeem our first house, first car, first iPhone, first contract, first anything

Very funny .Is House an income?

Proverbs 3:9
9-10 Honor the Lord by giving him the first part of all your income, and he will fill your barns with wheat and barley and overflow your wine vats with the finest wines.

. Why do humans just look for ways to cut corners

You know you did ask us to let the viewers judge. I hope they see how you and your other pastors insult their sensibilities in a bid to swindle them of their hard-earned money.

Wrong ! Pastors even are the first givers of their firstffruitd . Pastors do have their jobs and business . They are volunteers like you except some G.Os .

Oga show us bible verse where God required tithes or first fruits to be primarily money and stop giving us semantics. Money was always conditional.

Shifting grounds now to primary and secondary . But have you admitted honorably that money was used for firstfruit offerings ?

Frauds!!

God robber !!
Re: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by connectikut89(m): 1:19pm On Feb 09, 2018
petra1:

Very funny .Is House an income?

Stop being ridiculous. My usage of "house" was in response to the generic statement of yours that "all things belong to God". If you had said "all income belongs to God", I would have stuck to examples like contract awards, scholarship awards, grants and loans etc.

The Hebrew words used in Proverbs 3:9 are hown (substance), re'shiyth (first fruits) and, tbuw'ah (increase). Understanding Old Testament verses usually require what bible scholars call historical/cultural analysis. The history and culture surrounding the authors is important to understand to aid in interpretation. Verse 10 gives us a fair idea of what the writer meant by substance, first fruits and increase and he was very specific. By simple deduction, the substance and first fruits would be quite parallel to the things mentioned in verse 10.
Ask yourself why the writer didn't mention shekels of silver, or gold, or diamond. These things were already valuable as at that time. But God was clearly more interested in crops and livestock than these things. Stop committing hermeunitic errors in trying to translate the bible to suit your schemes.

Wrong ! Pastors even are the first givers of their firstffruitd . Pastors do have their jobs and business . They are volunteers like you except some G.Os

Lmaoo. Pastors giving first fruits is the biggest scam of this age. I guess Pastor Ibiyeomie gave all his church earnings in January to Bishop Oyedepo who in turn gave his to Pastor Adeboye who in turn gave his to a superior pastor until the last one directly handed it over to Jesus. Abeg help us with the hierarchy of the Pentecostal church.

Oga you are a fraud!!

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Re: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by petra1(m): 2:24pm On Feb 09, 2018
connectikut89:

Oga you are a fraud!!

You are the son of a thief
Re: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by hopara1(m): 4:01pm On Feb 09, 2018
If not that sometimes I do get important informations through Nairaland...I would have stop coming here,because the owner and his company are seriously speeding to perdition by challenging the authenticity of the Creator of all things! (YHWH). Becareful! Am very not...
Re: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by superhumanist(m): 4:11pm On Feb 09, 2018
hopara1:
If not that sometimes I do get important informations through Nairaland...I would have stop coming here,because the owner and his company are seriously speeding to perdition by challenging the authenticity of the Creator of all things! (YHWH). Becareful! Am very not...


One must challenge his or her beliefs lest he/she remains stagnant.

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Re: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by connectikut89(m): 4:20pm On Feb 09, 2018
petra1:


You are the son of a thief

It's obvious you don't have any more rebuttals. I'll leave you with a few bible verses. Please read and repent while there is still time.

Proverbs 22:16 NKJV - He who oppresses the poor to increase his riches, And he who gives to the rich, will surely come to poverty.

2 Corinthians 2:17 NIV - Unlike so many, we do not peddle the word of God for profit. On the contrary, in Christ we speak before God with sincerity, as those sent from God.

2 Peter 2:1‭-‬3 AMPC - But also...there will be false teachers among yourselves, who will subtly and stealthily introduce heretical doctrines (destructive heresies)... And many will follow their immoral ways and lascivious doings; because of them the true Way will be maligned and defamed. And in their covetousness (lust, greed) they will exploit you with false (cunning) arguments.

Galatians 1:9 AMP - As we have said before, so I now say again, if anyone is preaching to you a gospel different from that which you received [from us], let him be condemned to destruction.

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Re: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by hopara1(m): 4:22pm On Feb 09, 2018
superhumanist:



One must challenge his or her beliefs lest he/she remains stagnant.
By sincerely doing so...rather that vehemently opposing at every given change,dont you thinks some questions posed are better unanswered...Life is temporal and its better when you accept that every creature have an Orignal Creator!
Re: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by superhumanist(m): 4:26pm On Feb 09, 2018
hopara1:
By sincerely doing so...rather that vehemently opposing at every given change,dont you thinks some questions posed are better unanswered...Life is temporal and its better when you accept that every creature have an Orignal Creator!


This is not true.

Where is the proof for monetary first fruit in the Bible.

Where is the proof for your creator.

Question religion. Question it all
Re: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by superhumanist(m): 4:28pm On Feb 09, 2018
connectikut89:


It's obvious you don't have any more rebuttals. I'll leave you with a few bible verses. Please read and repent while there is still time.

Proverbs 22:16 NKJV - He who oppresses the poor to increase his riches, And he who gives to the rich, will surely come to poverty.

2 Corinthians 2:17 NIV - Unlike so many, we do not peddle the word of God for profit. On the contrary, in Christ we speak before God with sincerity, as those sent from God.

2 Peter 2:1‭-‬3 AMPC - But also...there will be false teachers among yourselves, who will subtly and stealthily introduce heretical doctrines (destructive heresies)... And many will follow their immoral ways and lascivious doings; because of them the true Way will be maligned and defamed. And in their covetousness (lust, greed) they will exploit you with false (cunning) arguments.

Galatians 1:9 AMP - As we have said before, so I now say again, if anyone is preaching to you a gospel different from that which you received [from us], let him be condemned to destruction.


It is a case of brainwashing, ignorance and greed.


They look at God as a money-doubler. Sow first fruit and receive blessings of more money later.

Prosperity gospel is a scam.

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Re: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by hopara1(m): 4:47pm On Feb 09, 2018
superhumanist:



This is not true.

Where is the proof for monetary first fruit in the Bible.

Where is the proof for your creator.

Question religion. Question it all
Sir you can accept whatever that suit you,but I personally believe that Christ died for me and is risen,excitedly am waiting for His second coming to take me to my permanent home! am very sorry if you find it hard to comprehend SIR!
Re: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by superhumanist(m): 5:15pm On Feb 09, 2018
hopara1:
Sir you can accept whatever that suit you,but I personally believe that Christ died for me and is risen,excitedly am waiting for His second coming to take me to my permanent home! am very sorry if you find it hard to comprehend SIR!

over 2000 years and waiting for a Jewish caprenter that Jews dont believe in. Keep waiting for christ.

Re: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by hopara1(m): 5:18pm On Feb 09, 2018
superhumanist:


over 2000 years and waiting for a Jewish caprenter that Jews dont believe in. Keep waiting for christ.

Thanks! Just keep your fingers crossed.
Re: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by greenmonk: 7:27pm On Feb 09, 2018
petra1:


That means he didn’t give all in church . Why lying.



When he spends BIG as a Big boy in buying drinks and co , you don’t seem to have problem with that ... hmm interesting ...



So it’s a lifestyle to spend big and borrow Big . You are only pissed that this time it’s God he gave to ... and you’re angry and won’t lend to him as you would have done if he had spent the money on booze



When he spent Big he wasn’t forced when he gave in church he wasn’t forced . Why get angry at church . If he gave to God in spirit and truth he will be blessed .







This type make me sick.
Re: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by budaatum: 4:12pm On Feb 10, 2018
Are you saying god accepts some crops and cash? Does god put the cash in his god account and cook the farm produce to feed the angels?

Please, you give to your pastor or church, and not to god!

petra1:


The reference I gave just explained a principle to answer the question I was asked . If money was used for first fruit . Yes ! Is firstborn not a first fruit? Was money paid ? Yes !

People gave to God in Agro produce because they were farmers . And they still have option of redeeming it by cash . Money has alsways been used for offerings and tithes . But primarily they gave Agro produce . Anything can be given to God . If it can be used in the sevhce of God but what God can’t used can be replaced by cash . It’s not every crop that God accept and not very animal that God accepted . Cash was used in place of the unclean animals . Just like the human first born


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Re: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by esere827: 4:32pm On Feb 10, 2018
petra1:


Matthew 5:22
but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

2 Timothy 2:24
24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,


I know you’re still growing but The word of God doesn not require fight. Excersice some fruits of the spirit . And restrain or I can’t discuss with you. Post your point with biblical references let the viewer judge .



Money has always been exchange . God accepted money for tithes offerings and first fruits . Any giving to God can be quantified in money . God dealt with Isreal as a nation of farmers . All first things belong to God . Even first born belong to God and they shouid be Killed . But by redemption money could be given .


cheesy
Re: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by AlfaSeltzer(m): 5:18pm On Feb 10, 2018
Seun:
Every first fruit story is a tragedy. Of course, giving away an entire month salary can make you go broke and have to beg your poorer friends for money. Christ Embassy workers in particular are known for this. The story is plausible.

If I give you my first fruit, will you refuse?
Re: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by superhumanist(m): 5:31am On Feb 12, 2018
AlfaSeltzer:


If I give you my first fruit, will you refuse?

Eh? You tithe?
Re: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by AlfaSeltzer(m): 12:13pm On Feb 12, 2018
superhumanist:


Eh? You tithe?

Satan forbid.
Re: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by superhumanist(m): 12:27pm On Feb 12, 2018
AlfaSeltzer:


Satan forbid.

I was afraid that they have turned you to a sheeple!
Re: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by simplex2: 12:43pm On Feb 12, 2018
We see them a lot. After stupidly giving their salary as first fruit in a 'ponzi' scheme, they come out to lend money from everyone.

While at school , after the BLW Pastor had charged them (students oo) to sow their school fees; few days to exam, you see them sneaking in on us (the heathen) to beg for money to complete their school fees.

we know them all.

petra1:


You are the son of a thief

Loll...faced with superior argument, you have thrown in the towel and run away! Same way you vehemently supported the fraud of tithe all over this board.

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Re: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by superhumanist(m): 1:19pm On Feb 12, 2018
simplex2:
We see them a lot. After stupidly giving their salary as first fruit in a 'ponzi' scheme, they come out to lend money from everyone.

While at school , after the BLW Pastor had charged them (students oo) to sow their school fees; few days to exam, you see them sneaking in on us (the heathen) to beg for money to complete their school fees.

we know them all.



Loll...faced with superior argument, you have thrown in the towel and run away! Same way you vehemently supported the fraud of tithe all over this board.


shocked shocked shocked

What??!!

These pastors no get heart!!

They are also robbing and brainwashing young students? Gaddem! These tithe hustlers are deadly
Re: My Painful Experience With The Doctrine Of "First Fruit" by AlfaSeltzer(m): 2:39pm On Feb 12, 2018
superhumanist:


I was afraid that they have turned you to a sheeple!

I turn people to sheeple. Not the other way round.

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