Originakalokalo:


A child of God lives in Jesus and Jesus is in him.

NO GENERATIONAL CURSE CAN SURVIVE THIS.

However, whatever you believe will work for or against you. Jesus said whatever you believe and confess comes to pass.

Why do you think believe and confession are key to salvation? Uh?

See, if you believe that every failures that comes your way is as a result of GENERATIONAL CURSE,. The devil will work through this against you.


Colossians 2 vs 14.

Says that all HANDWRITING of Ordinances that are contrary to us HAVE BEEN NAILED TO THE CROSS.


No generational curse can survive Golgotha.

Can you please apply this yo Albinism, Sickle Cell Anaemia and Dwarfism . For all these are part of generational curses.

shadeyinka:

I was actually too hard on the OP.
But the point is that experience usually is the best teacherneven in things of the Spirit. Anyone who has conducted deliverance before would understand. But one who hasn't will talk theory.

I used to be like that before through experience ni saw that Christians can be afflicted by demonic entities.

Do you still have the believe that christians can be afflicted by demons?

paxonel:

So, what you are saying is, generational course is Sin nature from Adam and not financial set backs depending on whether the person was coursed or not?

If that is the case, no one is coursed then.
Only that some people have eternal life through Christ while some do not have. In either case the rain and sunlight reaches everyone equally irrespective of what we believe

Brother, with due respect, please just believe what you want, let's stop the conversation here, but let's remember each other in prayer. Thanks and God bless you.

paxonel:
Generational course do not exist, they are all excuses for failures

Just give thanks for yourself haven been born free of demonic cages.

Some Christians were born with limitation, poverty, sicknesses etc no fault of theirs.

Dangotes great grand children can never be poor. That is part of their generational blessings. It has nothing to do with their salvation or worldliness.

So also, some Christians are poor just because their parents were so poor they couldn't send them to school

shadeyinka:


Can you please apply this yo Albinism, Sickle Cell Anaemia and Dwarfism . For all these are part of generational curses.

You also forgot generational curses like, being a black man, an African, a very tall man, being so fair in completion, short or long hair, being hairy, stamarer,having malaria, hiv, diabetes..... My brother, you are very very wrong. I am not good at argument, but I will leave you to believe what you want and will continue to pray for you too. Argument may lead to quarrel, since you are not backing your beliefs with scriptures and that will make those enemies of the church on this forum rejoice when we quarrel.

JesusSonOfGod:


You also forgot generational curses like, being a black man, an African, a very tall man, being so fair in completion, short or long hair, being hairy, stamarer,having malaria, hiv, diabetes..... My brother, you are very very wrong. I am not good at argument, but I will leave you to believe what you want and will continue to pray for you too. Argument may lead to quarrel, since you are not backing your beliefs with scriptures and that will make those enemies of the church on this forum rejoice when we quarrel.

Have you ever conducted deliverance for anyone?

shadeyinka:


Have you ever conducted deliverance for anyone?

I can't continue this conversation sir, God bless you for understanding.

paxonel:

Do you still have the believe that christians can be afflicted by demons?

Of course Christians can be affiliated by demons.

And I speak from my own personal experience...until I fought my own battle and broke their hold on my assets and wellbeing.

I have also been used to help serious Christians break free from bondages.

JesusSonOfGod:


I can't continue this conversation sir, God bless you for understanding.

I am sorry you took it this way.
We all learn in our Christian experiences.

There was a time in my Life I believed exactly what you are preaching. I still remember vividly when a few years ago when I was arguing with an elderly Christian Professor about this...and I was saying things like the Bible says "If any man be in Christ, he is a new creature....". How can Christ and Demons be inside a person..impossible!

But I think I now understand.

I asked you a question:
Have you conducted deliverance on anyone before?

It wasn't a rhetoric question. It was to challenge you for greater spiritual heights. Jesus said " these signs shall follow them that believe, in My Name...."

We honestly learn better when we put our faith to work on the 'Field' than when we just 'soak in the Word' without putting it into action.

Every child of God (and that means YOU) can conduct deliverance because you have been empowered to do so by Christ Himself.

Now, while working in the Field (as a spiritual medical doctor of Christ) , you will meet many cases. And some of those cases will baffle you.

In my case, I couldn't initially understand why some serious Christians during deliverance prayers manifest their demons. Yes, you know him/her to be a serious christian (and Born Again) but this is contrary.

I am so sorry if I offended you. It wasn't my intention.

JesusSonOfGod:
You are free from generational curses through repentance (being born again) and not by some kind of prayer points that sound like incantation.

Wow, this is so good. Thank you.

Emmanystone:

Wow, this is so good. Thank you.

You are welcome dear. God bless us all.

OtemAtum:
Intelligent nations don't discuss superstitious stuffs like generational curses. A well developed brain doesn't get affected psychologically by things they speak against him(i.e curses). Curses can only work on those who are psychologically affected by it. Africans always think that they are under a curse, so they psychologically become retarded. Brain users don't have anything to worry about, because curses don't work on people of higher thinking faculties.

So speaks the son of Satan himself!

I bind you in the name of Jesus.

A brain cannot save a man from ancester curses and Hellfire!

Aaronsrod:


So speaks the son of Satan himself!

I bind you in the name of Jesus.

A brain cannot save a man from ancester curses and Hellfire!

You and your ironical statements eeh. I laff at the embolden

shadeyinka:

Of course Christians can be affiliated by demons.

And I speak from my own personal experience...until I fought my own battle and broke their hold on my assets and wellbeing.

I have also been used to help serious Christians break free from bondages.

Now look at this scripture

1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God.....

Meaning, every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God which categorically mean that christians can never be inflicted by demons spirit, rather their spirit is of God.

What i mean is, no christian among the early disciples saw their fellow christians as inflicted by demons talkless of conducting deliverance. We see all these things this modern day in today churches and it's contradictory.

And you know that everyone who go to church (except people of other religions like Muslims who never believe and confess Christ) including those you conduct deliverance of being inflicted by demons, they have all believe in Christ and confessed and agreed that Jesus has come in flesh, what they were thought from childhood by their parents and they grow up with that believe as christians, that Jesus is the Christ.

Going by that scripture 1 John 4:3, will you say that your experience is more reliable than what the bible assure, as it assures that every spirit that confessed that Jesus has come in the flesh is of God and can never be of the demons?

Will you depend on your experience as a deliverance minister and ignore scriptures?

shadeyinka:

Just give thanks for yourself haven been born free of demonic cages.

Some Christians were born with limitation, poverty, sicknesses etc no fault of theirs.

Dangotes great grand children can never be poor. That is part of their generational blessings. It has nothing to do with their salvation or worldliness.

So also, some Christians are poor just because their parents were so poor they couldn't send them to school

So, the fact that some christians are poor just because their parents were poor and could not send them to school, is that what you call demonic cage?

I call that excuse, not demonic cage.
Satan is not responsible for people's failures

JesusSonOfGod:



Brother, with due respect, please just believe what you want, let's stop the conversation here, but let's remember each other in prayer. Thanks and God bless you.

And don't preach again until you are fully grounded to avoid misleading innocent ignorant Nigerians like pastors are doing now .
If i was ignorant too i would have also clapped for you just like billions of Nigerian christians clapping for current day pastors

paxonel:

So, the fact that some christians are poor just because their parents were poor and could not send them to school, is that what you call demonic cage?

I call that excuse, not demonic cage.
Satan is not responsible for people's failures

No Sir!

I learnt that everything we are and would ever amount to are products of Gods grace.

Let's look at you!
You speak good English
You are intelligent
Most likely Born Again
Your Parents are most likely Educated
Your Parents were self sufficent

Now these meant that
1. If you were Born to a Begger from Sokoto, everything we know about you now will be different.

You will probably at best end up as an Islamic Mallam or a Bokoharam member or a beggar.

You speak good English today simply because your Parent sent you to the best school they could afford. It was out of your control.

Of course, you are meant to maximise the grace available to you through dedication and hard work.

Now, just like DJ Cuppy has inherited wealth so some people inherit poverty, war, demonic oppression, incapacitation and limitation.

Excuse is when a Christian refuse to:
Think
Work
Pray
and Fight for what has been given to him/her by Christ within the confines of Grace available to him.

paxonel:

Now look at this scripture

1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God.....

Meaning, every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God which categorically mean that christians can never be inflicted by demons spirit, rather their spirit is of God.

What i mean is, no christian among the early disciples saw their fellow christians as inflicted by demons talkless of conducting deliverance. We see all these things this modern day in today churches and it's contradictory.

And you know that everyone who go to church (except people of other religions like Muslims who never believe and confess Christ) including those you conduct deliverance of being inflicted by demons, they have all believe in Christ and confessed and agreed that Jesus has come in flesh, what they were thought from childhood by their parents and they grow up with that believe as christians, that Jesus is the Christ.

Going by that scripture 1 John 4:3, will you say that your experience is more reliable than what the bible assure, as it assures that every spirit that confessed that Jesus has come in the flesh is of God and can never be of the demons?

Will you depend on your experience as a deliverance minister and ignore scriptures?

Could it be a misunderstanding of the meaning of the Scriptures!?

Jesus turned water into wine
Jesus walked upon the sea
Jesus died and rose again on the third day

Now, Jesus is also our Example isn't it?
Coupled with Jesus saying greater works than these shall we His disciples do..

Can we as Christians say that all Christians should begin to walk on water, turn water to wine etc.

The Logos kill, it is the Rhema through the Holy Spirit that gives life.

A medical doctor who has never conducted a surgery can never claim to be an authority in Surgery (just because he has read some books).

It takes a little experience in the application of Christ command (Preaching, Healing and Deliverance) to claim any authority.

Any Christian who has been in the field know that some Christians can be afflicted by demons.

Let me ask you a direct question:
Why did Jesus call Peter 'Satan' just after he alone was given the mystery of Christ as the " Christ, Son of the Living God"?

paxonel:

And don't preach again until you are fully grounded to avoid misleading innocent ignorant Nigerians like pastors are doing now .
If i was ignorant too i would have also clapped for you just like billions of Nigerian christians clapping for current day pastors

It's funny. Take time and read all your post, you will find out you have not been making sense. Do you even understand yourself. I am just trying to avoid chatting with you, because you might be one of those agents on this forum. You sound so confused. Just read your posts again. Your arrogance and contradictory statements makes you more suspicious, but you have failed if you are one of those enemies of the Church.

It's well with you bro. If you are truly a Christian, then someday you will understand, but don't forget to come back here to admit and testify how you received knowledge from God because you will surely do if you ask Him for it. That's if you are not one of those people sent to fight against the church. Please, don't bother replying me, just save yourself your too much intelligence and arrogance.

shadeyinka:

Could it be a misunderstanding of the meaning of the Scriptures!?

Jesus turned water into wine
Jesus walked upon the sea
Jesus died and rose again on the third day

Now, Jesus is also our Example isn't it?
Coupled with Jesus saying greater works than these shall we His disciples do..

Can we as Christians say that all Christians should begin to walk on water, turn water to wine etc.

The Logos kill, it is the Rhema through the Holy Spirit that gives life.

A medical doctor who has never conducted a surgery can never claim to be an authority in Surgery (just because he has read some books).

It takes a little experience in the application of Christ command (Preaching, Healing and Deliverance) to claim any authority.

Any Christian who has been in the field know that some Christians can be afflicted by demons.

Let me ask you a direct question:
Why did Jesus call Peter 'Satan' just after he alone was given the mystery of Christ as the " Christ, Son of the Living God"?

I used to think christians can't be afflicted by demons too. But I know better now.

I think the confusion is on the extent of the affliction.

I would call it a result of association. There is a reason why the scripture caution against unholy association. ..

Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
Psalm:1:1

There is a spiritual association, demonic or Godly that binds us depending on the company we keep. That company could be family, church, friends, etc And EVERYBODY has a spiritual presence that affects people around them, good or bad.

If you believe that fellowship with Christians confers a kind of good anointing as the Scriptures put it ... Same concept,

Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!
Psalm:133:1
It is like the precious ointment upon the head, that ran down upon the beard, even Aaron's beard: that went down to the skirts of his garments;
Psalm:133:2



JesusSonOfGod

Muafrika2:


I used to think christians can't be afflicted by demons too. But I know better now.

I think the confusion is on the extent of the affliction.

I would call it a result of association. There is a reason why the scripture caution against unholy association. ..

Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
Psalm:1:1

There is a spiritual association, demonic or Godly that binds us depending on the company we keep. That company could be family, church, friends, etc And EVERYBODY has a spiritual presence that affects people around them, good or bad.

If you believe that fellowship with Christians confers a kind of good anointing as the Scriptures put it ... Same concept,

Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!
Psalm:133:1
It is like the precious ointment upon the head, that ran down upon the beard, even Aaron's beard: that went down to the skirts of his garments;
Psalm:133:2



JesusSonOfGod

Quite some time my friend.

You are correct. The problem with us as Christians is that we swing to extremes in our understanding of the words of Faith/Scriptures.

Some Christians believe that once you are Born Again, ALL your problems past, present and future are solved and therefore should live in pure bliss.

The other extreme is when a believer don't know that he has been given Power and Authority against issues of life. To this group, they fear for what Satan will do against their life.

To the First group: Job would have been criticised for not having faith. The second group see God abandoning His people to suffering and forget that they are greater in Christ than Job.

Does the Scripture:
"By His stripes we were healed.." Mean that Christians cannot be sick?

Doctrine must never be built from Experience but from the scriptures.
However, understanding of scriptures cannot be done outside our experience with God.

paxonel:

Now look at this scripture

1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God.....

Meaning, every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God which categorically mean that christians can never be inflicted by demons spirit, rather their spirit is of God.

What i mean is, no christian among the early disciples saw their fellow christians as inflicted by demons talkless of conducting deliverance. We see all these things this modern day in today churches and it's contradictory.

It’s not true that a Christian cannot be demonized .I have cast out devils from many Christians . Even pastors . How did the demons enter them ? . It’s not even advisable casting out demons from non christian . Except he is ready to accept christ . Because he can’t sustain it

shadeyinka:

Quite some time my friend.

You are correct. The problem with us as Christians is that we swing to extremes in our understanding of the words of Faith/Scriptures.

Some Christians believe that once you are Born Again, ALL your problems past, present and future are solved and therefore should live in pure bliss.

The other extreme is when a believer don't know that he has been given Power and Authority against issues of life. To this group, they fear for what Satan will do against their life.

To the First group: Job would have been criticised for not having faith. The second group see God abandoning His people to suffering and forget that they are greater in Christ than Job.

Does the Scripture:
"By His stripes we were healed.." Mean that Christians cannot be sick?

Doctrine must never be built from Experience but from the scriptures.
However, understanding of scriptures cannot be done outside our experience with God .

Its been some time,

Quite true. I would say it is part of the fire that comes to teach our hands how to make war. We are conquerors indeed. But a conqueror needs a battle to be one.

A christian who gets saved and lives a perfect life will never grow in faith, power, understanding. I wonder what op would think about growing in faith, if it is a fact.

shadeyinka:


Usually when you are living right in Christ BUT things seem to consistently go on the contrary (even after many prayers and when you have done all that you should have done).

Then you can suspect that your enemy the devil is at work (many times, they are familiar spirits whose territory is your lineage).

shadeyinka:



Some Christians are Born relatively free from these curses whether or not they are spiritual or not BUT some too are not that lucky. They could be spiritual yet be under tonnes of negative loads.


Any Christian under such loads should know that the strategy of victory is resisting the devil so that he flees.

If a man receive christ as a new creature . Does ancestra curse have effect on such by default or . It can only have effect when there is an entry point or open door .
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JesusSonOfGod:


It's funny. Take time and read all your post, you will find out you have not been making sense. Do you even understand yourself. I am just trying to avoid chatting with you, because you might be one of those agents on this forum. You sound so confused. Just read your posts again. Your arrogance and contradictory statements makes you more suspicious, but you have failed if you are one of those enemies of the Church.

It's well with you bro. If you are truly a Christian, then someday you will understand, but don't forget to come back here to admit and testify how you received knowledge from God because you will surely do if you ask Him for it. That's if you are not one of those people sent to fight against the church. Please, don't bother replying me, just save yourself your too much intelligence and arrogance.

You can say whatever you like
I'm sure you also read in the bible that Jesus was not understood too, he was even called belzebub by the pharisees and was seen kicking against evil among holy people in the temple and they saw him as arrogant too, not making sense to people.
But thank God few individuals in his generation understood and followed him till he was crucified.

Have you wondered why some few people are klicking LIKE to those my comments you called senseless? It's because there are still few individuals who still use their brain to think and understand, who are not unreasonably religious like the vast majority of Nigerian Christians where you belong.

If the church was doing well in Nigeria no one will critize it.
When people are critizing the church for their wrong and you are being sentimental enough to attack it critics saying they are agents of the devil simply because you are a christian, then you are not helping the church and God will never be on your side.

This is my advice to you and it's simple, go and learn first before picking the mandate to preach or you keep disseminating wrong information to people thereby putting them in boundage.
The world is becoming technically advance in knowledge and understanding far beyond these your african fictions of people inflicted with generational courses.

Let the church be realistic for once and let's see who will critize it

shadeyinka:

Could it be a misunderstanding of the meaning of the Scriptures!?

Jesus turned water into wine
Jesus walked upon the sea
Jesus died and rose again on the third day

Now, Jesus is also our Example isn't it?
Coupled with Jesus saying greater works than these shall we His disciples do..

Can we as Christians say that all Christians should begin to walk on water, turn water to wine etc.

The Logos kill, it is the Rhema through the Holy Spirit that gives life.

A medical doctor who has never conducted a surgery can never claim to be an authority in Surgery (just because he has read some books).

It takes a little experience in the application of Christ command (Preaching, Healing and Deliverance) to claim any authority.

Any Christian who has been in the field know that some Christians can be afflicted by demons.

Let me ask you a direct question:
Why did Jesus call Peter 'Satan' just after he alone was given the mystery of Christ as the " Christ, Son of the Living God"?

It was not that Peter was inflicted by demons, he was just simply ignorant of how Jesus was going to achieve his aim of saving mankind, he never thought Jesus was going to die .

The same thing applies, Christians today can be ignorant of how to make wealth and be relevant, but that does not mean they are inflicted by demons or being pursued spiritually by forces from their village as they are made to believe by their pastors .

Therefore, the only solution to their problem is education, not any deliverance.

shadeyinka:

No Sir!

I learnt that everything we are and would ever amount to are products of Gods grace.

Let's look at you!
You speak good English
You are intelligent
Most likely Born Again
Your Parents are most likely Educated
Your Parents were self sufficent

Now these meant that
1. If you were Born to a Begger from Sokoto, everything we know about you now will be different.

You will probably at best end up as an Islamic Mallam or a Bokoharam member or a beggar.

You speak good English today simply because your Parent sent you to the best school they could afford. It was out of your control.

Of course, you are meant to maximise the grace available to you through dedication and hard work.

Now, just like DJ Cuppy has inherited wealth so some people inherit poverty, war, demonic oppression, incapacitation and limitation.

Excuse is when a Christian refuse to:
Think
Work
Pray
and Fight for what has been given to him/her by Christ within the confines of Grace available to him.

Exactly,
You are very correct

why should generational curse(s) affect people (Christians) who are innocent of it? What's is then the significance of Christ dying on the cross for our sins?

petra1:


It’s not true that a Christian cannot be demonized .I have cast out devils from many Christians . Even pastors . How did the demons enter them ? . It’s not even advisable casting out demons from non christian . Except he is ready to accept christ . Because he can’t sustain it

Forget it,
It was not demons you casted out from them, scriptures cannot lie.
They are just being schizophrenic.

If you see demon you fit stand?
Make God not let us see bad thing o.

There is nothing like generational curse, it is the excuse pastorpreneurs use to milk
their sheeples dry.
What we have is poverty and bad governance.

shadeyinka:

Just give thanks for yourself haven been born free of demonic cages.

Some Christians were born with limitation, poverty, sicknesses etc no fault of theirs.

Dangotes great grand children can never be poor. That is part of their generational blessings. It has nothing to do with their salvation or worldliness.

So also, some Christians are poor just because their parents were so poor they couldn't send them to school

Poverty is the root cause of what people term "generational curse".
Ignorance is not bliss.

Ok