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Mariinee:
Answer jhur.

Lol, nothing serious dear Was just kidding , you should know how crazy I am

donstan18:
Lol, nothing serious dear
Was just kidding , you should know how crazy I am

Oh, okay. Anything you say.

Topestbilly:
You're not in anyway ready to let go of this disgusting act, did you read her comment? And u thanked and followed her, follow her to do what? Someone who said you should embrace the filthy act that's killing you.

the OP seems comfortable with the bad advice and he is even thanking them...nawaoo.He needs serious deliverance.

Tohzara:
FACEPALM.

How does anyone's sexuality affect the progress of the nation? Are you this antagonistic towards ideals and values vitiating our energies in the course of transforming society? Practices that put brakes on our advancement or cause the stagnation of our nation's rivers and streams?

I saw one fool in a comment above stating it to be better being an armed robber or cultist than to be gay.

That's the average Nigerian youth for you. Retãrded piece of shiit with extremely misplaced priorities.

Your response is apt. In fact, in my experience, it so happen that some of those who exhibit deep-seated homophobic tendencies are conceited gays who are seriously battling with their orientation, and who find it repulsive and demeaning for others who share the same feelings, to develop the effrontry in admitting and declaring their sexuality to their (homophobes) faces. The homophobe sees this as a sign of weakness on his own part, and therefore, becomes hostile and violent towards his kind as a way out of his frustration!

Mariinee:
Oh, okay. Anything you say.

Lol, Mariine spirit

Shankieboy:
I'm a devoted christian. I believe in Jesus And his teachings. But what I don't seem to understand is Why he hasn't changed my Sexuality. I've prayed. Threatened to harm myself, believing he'll heal me from homosexuality. But all to to no avail.

I've fasted. 5 days dry. I've been celibate for years but I still find myself attracted to members of my gender.

I'm very close to self hate because I feel disgusted with myself. I've tried to be straight. had several girlfriends but I don't seem to be sexually attracted to them. It just doesn't work.

What do I do? Please, help me. I need a miracle. I need an intervention. Else, I'll wallow in depression.

Insults are welcomed.

Am sorry if my opinion come across as strong but if your sexual orientation is not straight please go ahead n commit suicide it is for the greater good of the society. This is like arguing a thief should be left alone because he did not steal from you.

Nigeria can not be robbed of it’s dignity and common sense because of your wrongly wired sexual orientation so please do not hesitate from committing suicide. It is the best and only option for you and others like yourself. it is for the greater good of the society thank you as you die in hell.

1Sharon:
You are dis gay ting

thats so demeaning, u know?u suppose to show him a lil love.

oloriooko:
Deranged mind if you know what you doing is right go and announce to your family members if they will not beat homo out of your twisted mind. Oloshi even low animals get sense pass you, your own don finish oloriburuku, better change before thunder roast your left ball

what a pain mofo,u know what even if it turn out I was gay,I will gladly tell my parent cause I have the most lovely parent u would ever dream of.not all parent are barbaric n wicked as yours.ntooor

AnonyNymous:
Very good! Now let's imagine there was a time green eyed people were considered evil, demonic, blah blah blah. But now that science has found an explanation for it, they're accepted, and its now considered normal.

So would you say that because we haven't advanced to the point where we can give a definitive explanation for homosexuality, that its wrong and abnormal? Even when its been observed to occur in more than 1500 other animal species? Apart from religious prejudice, what rational reason do you have for hating gay people? If your bible still insisted that green eyed people were demons, would you hate them too? If you had a kid with a European and he/she was green eyed, would you kill them?

'I don't understand it yet' doesn't mean 'its wrong'. History has proven that hundreds of times.

Your explaination has no basis at all. Where did you see me mention the Bible? There's a reason humans exist in opposites sexes, when you want to justify a wrong and immoral occurence in the society, then you quickly rush to describe people as being Biblical. Homosexuality is immoral, so as Paedophiles and those addicted to stealing and so. Or should you aslo justify those who like to sleep with children and babies, and say we should wait till science prove they are right and not evil? Don't be funny please.

boringnigerian:
Once upon a time, the scientific explanation of these things you mentioned were not known. What's to say science won't properly explain this one in the future?

Why not keep an open mind about it instead of ruining lives with your personal beliefs?

I advised the owner of the thread to seek therapy for his depression then seek asylum in a less homophobic country if he feels he's past help,thats not ruining his life is it? Science has tried to determine if homosexuality is genetically inheritable but they realized they were moving in circles so they decided to accept homosexual individuals and love them for their differences,at least until a cure is discovered. Why should they look for a cure for something that is natural? I seek enlightenment from you bro. Assuming mankind didn't discovered the cure for malaria,they would have accepted the fate of the victims too,would that have made malaria natural?

Doctormarrvin:
I advised the owner of the thread to seek therapy for his depression then seek asylum in a less homophobic country if he feels he's past help,thats not ruining his life is it? Science has tried to determine if homosexuality is genetically inheritable but they realized they were moving in circles so they decided to accept homosexual individuals and love them for their differences,at least until a cure is discovered. Why should they look for a cure for something that is natural? I seek enlightenment from you bro. Assuming mankind didn't discovered the cure for malaria,they would have accepted the fate of the victims too,would that have made malaria natural?

See mad man

lekbel09:
See mad man

Lol,i think this is the part where I'm expected to engage in an E-war with you ..Enjoy the rest of today bro.

Iqguy:
Do you read at all, do you even know how genetic studies are done. Do you know if those principles have been applied to the study of homosexuality. What if I tell you they have and that they prove that homosexuality is as genetic in basis as hypertension and Diabetes Mellitus or some other chronic illness.

No I don't read at all and I don't know how genetic studies are done but I spent more than 7years in medical school. What a dumb question to ask! Show us the result of the findings of your so-called genetic studies of homosexuality and stop asking dumb question as if you know me. After you show us the results, also post that of Paedophilia (those who like to sleep with babies and small children), Beastiality (those who enjoy sleeping with animals), Kleptomania (those who are addicted to stealing) and so on....because they all belong to the same group of immoral behaviours in the world.

my brother, this life has really gotten many problems. one of it is the prevalence of wrong and sometimes dangerous advice. this can be blamed on the social media, where everybody seems to have gotten a voice now. it is so serious that sound advice which is rare get rarer when its get drown out by this plethora other advice you get online.
so my brother, this is my informed advice. the world is in constant degeneration and degradation, right from the time our first parents lost it. There are many anomalies, genetical, environmental and so on.
however, it must be noted that God isn't responsible for this, rather, he should be credited for his program on bringing us back to that perfect state we lost. in the meantime we have to live with these many woes.
everybody as their problems -although the degree to how it affects them varies - this too is a result of the state of the world today. its true there are people that are genetically predispose to homosexuality, but its also true that there are people that are genetically predispose to many other abnormalities, like kleptomania. but should a kleptomaniac say because he is wired that way just give in to the urge to be pilfering? no the kleptomaniac, the homosexual and other people suffering from other anomalies should keep fighting the urge!
open up to people that you trust my brother. don't be depressed. the only person really that you have to please is God, and he is the only person that really understands and know your weaknesses. so if you sometimes seem to fail in your struggle against this ill, don't resign yourself, pick yourself up and continue fighting.
one good advice again is that like somebody fighting addiction, you should shun places and people that might make engaging in 'the act' easy.
live is constant fight my brother. embrace the lot life as dished you and deal with it. if at the end, God must judge you, I am certain he will consider your weaknesses and the prevailing conditions. that is why he is a better judge than any one. how often do you hear earthly judges referred to as A loving Judge? that is what Jehovah God is.

spankyflex:
what a pain mofo,u know what even if it turn out I was gay,I will gladly tell my parent cause I have the most lovely parent u would ever dream of.not all parent are barbaric n wicked as yours.ntooor

Sorry bro my bad I thought I was talking to a mature mind didn't know you are omomo still being fed by mum @ the bolded
Pls go prepare for your waec mock exam stop arguing about what you have no idea about.
No more tantrums face your book you need it else you end up like them faggs with oversized buttholes

NwanyiAwkaetiti:
I am not sexually confused. So I ain't deceiving myself. Try again

yes you are dear. If you weren't sexually confused, you wont be giving such misleading advise.

I pray God's wisdom falls abundantly on you. Please do have a wonderful Sunday!

escodotman:
Your explaination has no basis at all. Where did you see me mention the Bible? There's a reason humans exist in opposites sexes, when you want to justify a wrong and immoral occurence in the society, then you quickly rush to describe people as being Biblical. Homosexuality is immoral, so as Paedophiles and those addicted to stealing and so. Or should you aslo justify those who like to sleep with children and babies, and say we should wait till science prove they are right and not evil? Don't be funny please.

"I also hear supporters of the “against nature” argument claim that there is no gay gene and so there is no genetic support for other sexual orientations. Permit me to say that people who say this are just brandishing their ignorance on the subject of genetics and its research. In medicine there are numerous conditions and traits with known genetic predisposition for which there are no pin-point single gene culprits. The absence of a particular gene culprit for all cases in conditions such as Schizophrenia, Down’s syndrome and Parkinson’s disease does not dispute the fact that it has inheritance and genetics as a major contributor in its aetiology. In the area of sexual orientation, research has not been extensive for obvious social reasons but the evidence in support of a genetic predisposition is just as strong as that for other conditions in the science of medicine so this ‘show me the exact gay gene’ argument is as invalid as ‘show me the exact straight gene’. One very common type of genetic research which helps scientist to understand the impact of nature and nurture in a situation is the twin studies. One such study by J. Michael Bailey and Richard Pillard studied male homosexuality among Monozygotic twins (MZ), Dizygotic twins (DZ) and non-related adopted brothers. The study found that 52% of MZ twins both identified as gay, while 22% of DZ twins and only 5% of non-related adopted brothers were so. This showed that the more closely genetically linked people are, the more likely they exhibit the same sexuality. This evidence was repeated by another study and found to be true however not in the same percentages. Obviously, nurture also contributes to what an individual becomes albeit as far as sexuality is concerned nature surely contributes a great quota. This video link gives a rounded view of the genetic theories that support innate homosexual predispositions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP-yZ9jOVnk."

You obviously didn't read my post on page 15 so I've brought out a part of that quote. And please don't try to bamboozle me with the fact that you went to medical school, I know a lot of Drs who despite haven taken the Hippocratic oath have allowed prejudice cloud their role to provide health for all irrespective of race, status, gender, sexual orientation or religious beliefs because I myself will graduate from medical school next year. And please stop clumping consensual relationship between two consenting individuals as immoral with "sex with children and animals who cannot give consent."

Iqguy:
The basic conclusion of the argument of “against nature”—as thrown around by Anti-LGBTQIA+ proponents is that non-heterosexual orientations are not natural. Allow me to reiterate that this argument is however fallacious and built up simply to support discrimination against sexual minorities.
But before I start discounting this fallacy, I will briefly discuss the term Natural. Natural is defined in the Oxford English Dictionary as:
1. existing in or derived from nature; not made or caused by humankind ,
2. in accordance with the nature of or circumstances surrounding someone or something. Dictionary.com defines Natural as:
1. existing or formed by nature
2. based on the state of things in nature; constituted by nature.
It is based on the above definitions and many others which are beyond the length of this write-up that the argument that other minority sexual orientations are unnatural sits: That queer sexual orientations are not found in nature, not formed by nature, and, ultimately, are not part and parcel of the make-up of individuals who identify as queer.
One of the basic tenets of the “against nature” argument is that homosexuality cannot be natural because the basic requirement of nature from sexuality is procreation; so nature could not have created homosexuals because they cannot procreate. A question I once heard asked at a conference which goes thus: “How can you say ‘contrary’ sexual orientations are natural when nature requires heterosexual orientation to prevent humans from going extinct?” exemplifies this belief.
First, there is no such thing as a ‘contrary sexual orientation’ -as evidenced by the absence of this term in any modern scientific journal on the topic of sexual orientation. Indeed there is a common sexual orientation and other less common but equally valid ones. The phrase ‘contrary sexual orientation’ is totally heteronormative—assuming that everyone is/was born heterosexual and everything is about heterosexuality—and connotes a Heterosexual versus Non-Heterosexual war of orientations—the one striving to end the other. This is not so.
Also, Species do not ONLY need to procreate to ensure their survival but must function as a community to transfer genes that are overall favourable onto the next generation. That is procreation is not the ONLY contribution that members of a species have to make to prevent the extinction of the species. This is explained by the concepts of the gene-centered theory of evolution, and the “Helper in the Nest” hypothesis. These theories hold that the genetic contribution to homosexuality has been preserved through time because this helps support other related genes that favour propagation of the human species. My point here is that there is no need for nature to procreate numerous offsprings without favouring them for survival, they will just die off and this is evidenced by the fact that Neanderthal man and other older fossil records of man showed smaller skulls (corresponding to smaller brain size) and were less intelligent.
A study done by Andrea Camperio Ciani and Elena Pellizzari in 2012, [http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0051088.] found that non-parental females (aunts and grandmothers) in the maternal lines of homosexual males were more fertile than those of heterosexual males, suggesting that the genetic contribution to fertility in women was being carried along by nature with male homosexuality. This study agreed with other similar studies (http://www.nytimes.com/1993/07/16/us/report-suggests-homosexuality-is-linked-to-genes.html?pagewanted=all, http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2014/11/study-gay-brothers-may-confirm-x-chromosome-link-homosexuality, https://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/feb/14/genes-influence-male-sexual-orientation-study) which found out homosexual males were more related on the maternal side and also found similar genetic regions in about 97% of gay men in a locus on the X chromosome(Xq28) which was usually contributed by the mother for genotypic males. The research helps throw some light on the fact that female fertility and homosexual tendencies are relevant to preventing extinction as a pair. It is evident therefore that nature has persistently preserved both heterosexual and other sexual orientations through generations because NATURE REQUIRES HETEROSEXUAL, HOMOSEXUAL, BISEXUAL and OTHER SEXUAL ORIENTATIONS TO PREVENT HUMANS FROM GOING EXTINCT. This is because other orientations obviously contribute to the propagation of the Homo sapiens species and no way results in its extinction because they exist in balance with heterosexual orientation which can still procreate. This, however, doesn’t even mean that people of other sexual orientations are infertile and cannot reproduce. In the US 37% of LGBT people have a child, about 60% of which are biological.
If we know anything about nature and science, it is that history has shown how much of nature science is still yet to uncover. So I can imagine there are many more unknown contributions of the diverse minority sexual orientations in nature that science is even yet to explore.
Another basis of this argument comes from the direction of the anatomical forms of male and female animal species. It states that animals are usually heterosexual male and female in nature and there are no Homosexual or Bisexual animals. Examples of this part of the argument include statements like: “Have you seen two male dogs having sex before?” “Even animals have male and female, and its male lion mating with female lion, not male and male or female and female.” “God made man with penis and woman with vagina for a reason.” This argument has long been refuted by nature itself which has offered more than enough examples of Homosexual and Bisexual behaviours in the animal kingdom. Nature has also fortunately blessed our diverse world with intersex members of species (regarded in certain parlances as haemaphrodites) who have natural anatomical sexual organs conforming to neither Male nor Female strictly (ambiguous Instruments) or having both. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals http://community.lovenature.com/wild/why-do-some-animals-exhibit-homosexual-behaviour
When the Anti-LGBTQIA+ proponents see these scientific facts stacked against them, they say, ‘Just because animals do it doesn’t mean we should adopt animal behaviours.’ Well, the point is: Homosexuals, Bisexuals and Other sexual minorities are not “doing it” because animals do it, they are just being their innate self while referring Anti-LGBTQIA+ proponents to the animal kingdom as a genuine and untampered—at least in this aspect, unless someone is of the opinion that people are converting animals in the wild into gay animals— part of nature.
Finally, scientifically speaking, man is classified under the Kingdom animalia and If the Homo sapiens species were the only member of the kingdom to exhibit non-heterosexual orientations we would have questioned the scientific validity of these orientations being natural but this is not so. What is however impossible to find in the Kingdom Animalia is the hate directed against people of minority sexual orientations.
Heterosexuals always say they “came into” their sexual orientations naturally irrespective of how they first explored sex and they are believed but yet promoters of the “against nature” argument find it hard to believe Homosexuals, Bisexuals and Other sexual minorities when they say they “came into” their attractions not from any learned conscious behaviour and irrespective of what their first sexual explorations were. If heterosexuality is natural and not learned, then other variations of sexuality should be easily understood to be natural and not learnt. The funniest thing is that some Anti LGBTQIA+ supporters say homosexual tendencies are strong desires with genetic predispositions—so are stealing, murder and criminal behaviours. The comparison however, is not apt because it is trying to equate Homosexuality, Bisexuality and Other sexual orientations to behaviours that are harmful to society. The flaws of this argument are exposed below.
1. OTHER SEXUAL ORIENTATIONS (proven genetic contributions); “may indeed be natural”
2. MURDER, THEFT (might have genetic predispositions; “may indeed be natural but are harmful and so are considered immoral’
3. CONCLUSION OF THE ARGUMENT IS, “Other Sexual orientations are harmful and also immoral too” (AN UNTRUE STATEMENT THAT IS INFERRED IN THE ARGUMENT), “so surely you cannot say they are natural if not you are also saying Murder and Theft are natural”.

Again, no orientation is in itself harmful and several studies have shown that Homosexuality, Bisexuality and Other Sexual orientations are no more harmful than Heterosexual orientation. My point here is that, if you can prove that genetics supports predisposition to stealing, murder and other crimes, then those behaviours can be said to be natural but are not acceptable because they are harmful. However, non-heterosexual orientations are both natural and harmless and are not crimes against humanity. Whether they are harmful or harmless is by the way another debate. Bringing it into the argument of “against nature” just shows that the Anti-LGBTQIA+ proponents are in a hurry to get to their real intention of this argument which is to have any reason at all to hate and discriminate minority sexual orientations.
I also hear supporters of the “against nature” argument claim that there is no gay gene and so there is no genetic support for other sexual orientations. Permit me to say that people who say this are just brandishing their ignorance on the subject of genetics and its research. In medicine there are numerous conditions and traits with known genetic predisposition for which there are no pin-point single gene culprits. The absence of a particular gene culprit for all cases in conditions such as Schizophrenia, Down’s syndrome and Parkinson’s disease does not dispute the fact that it has inheritance and genetics as a major contributor in its aetiology. In the area of sexual orientation, research has not been extensive for obvious social reasons but the evidence in support of a genetic predisposition is just as strong as that for other conditions in the science of medicine so this ‘show me the exact gay gene’ argument is as invalid as ‘show me the exact straight gene’. One very common type of genetic research which helps scientist to understand the impact of nature and nurture in a situation is the twin studies. One such study by J. Michael Bailey and Richard Pillard studied male homosexuality among Monozygotic twins (MZ), Dizygotic twins (DZ) and non-related adopted brothers. The study found that 52% of MZ twins both identified as gay, while 22% of DZ twins and only 5% of non-related adopted brothers were so. This showed that the more closely genetically linked people are, the more likely they exhibit the same sexuality. This evidence was repeated by another study and found to be true however not in the same percentages. Obviously, nurture also contributes to what an individual becomes albeit as far as sexuality is concerned nature surely contributes a great quota. This video link gives a rounded view of the genetic theories that support innate homosexual predispositions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP-yZ9jOVnk.
Perhaps in another discourse, I will debunk the Anti-LGBTQIA+ argument which say that Homosexual, Bisexual and other sexual orientations are learned behaviours from the media and Pro-LGBTQIA+ societies. The shocking truth is, in many extremely homophobic countries like Uganda, Nigeria and many countries in the Middle East where there is almost zero show of Homosexual affection in the media and most representations of any non heterosexual orientation is usually negative, there exist a significant LGBTQIA population. Even in Nazi Germany where homosexuality was punishable by death, love letters were still recently unearthed of two gay veterans from the German army.
In many places, being queer is a cultural taboo and also criminalized. So the big question is, why would so many people ‘choose’ to be hated outcasts? My only plausible answer is NATURE, NATURE, AND NATURE.

Escodotman please do read.

thinkmoney:
my brother, this life has really gotten many problems. one of it is the prevalence of wrong and sometimes dangerous advice. this can be blamed on the social media, where everybody seems to have gotten a voice now. it is so serious that sound advice which is rare get rarer when its get drown out by this plethora other advice you get online.
so my brother, this is my informed advice. the world is in constant degeneration and degradation, right from the time our first parents lost it. There are many anomalies, genetical, environmental and so on.
however, it must be noted that God isn't responsible for this, rather, he should be credited for his program on bringing us back to that perfect state we lost. in the meantime we have to live with these many woes.
everybody as their problems -although the degree to how it affects them varies - this too is a result of the state of the world today. its true there are people that are genetically predispose to homosexuality, but its also true that there are people that are genetically predispose to many other abnormalities, like kleptomania. but should a kleptomaniac say because he is wired that way just give in to the urge to be pilfering? no the kleptomaniac, the homosexual and other people suffering from other anomalies should keep fighting the urge!
open up to people that you trust my brother. don't be depressed. the only person really that you have to please is God, and he is the only person that really understands and know your weaknesses. so if you sometimes seem to fail in your struggle against this ill, don't resign yourself, pick yourself up and continue fighting.
one good advice again is that like somebody fighting addiction, you should shun places and people that might make engaging in 'the act' easy.
live is constant fight my brother. embrace the lot life as dished you and deal with it. if at the end, God must judge you, I am certain he will consider your weaknesses and the prevailing conditions. that is why he is a better judge than any one. how often do you hear earthly judges referred to as A loving Judge? that is what Jehovah God is.

Can we just for sense sake stop comparing being a kleptomaniac with homosexuality. A kleptomaniac steals what does not belong to him and hurts others but a consensual relationship between two consenting adults of the same sex hurts no one, and does not affect society in any way. Netherlands the first country to legalize gay marriage, ( yes it wasn't the UK or the US-who are still struggling to legalize it that were the first like I'm sure most of you who don't read think) are one of the most peaceful nations in the world and there has been no societal anarchy or anything of the sort since they legalized it some 20 years ago.

[color=Blue]This post is really really long.[/color] but you just finished work. This Is perfect. Nice one.

Iqguy:
The basic conclusion of the argument of “against nature”—as thrown around by Anti-LGBTQIA+ proponents is that non-heterosexual orientations are not natural. Allow me to reiterate that this argument is however fallacious and built up simply to support discrimination against sexual minorities.
But before I start discounting this fallacy, I will briefly discuss the term Natural. Natural is defined in the Oxford English Dictionary as:
1. existing in or derived from nature; not made or caused by humankind ,
2. in accordance with the nature of or circumstances surrounding someone or something. Dictionary.com defines Natural as:
1. existing or formed by nature
2. based on the state of things in nature; constituted by nature.
It is based on the above definitions and many others which are beyond the length of this write-up that the argument that other minority sexual orientations are unnatural sits: That queer sexual orientations are not found in nature, not formed by nature, and, ultimately, are not part and parcel of the make-up of individuals who identify as queer.
One of the basic tenets of the “against nature” argument is that homosexuality cannot be natural because the basic requirement of nature from sexuality is procreation; so nature could not have created homosexuals because they cannot procreate. A question I once heard asked at a conference which goes thus: “How can you say ‘contrary’ sexual orientations are natural when nature requires heterosexual orientation to prevent humans from going extinct?” exemplifies this belief.
First, there is no such thing as a ‘contrary sexual orientation’ -as evidenced by the absence of this term in any modern scientific journal on the topic of sexual orientation. Indeed there is a common sexual orientation and other less common but equally valid ones. The phrase ‘contrary sexual orientation’ is totally heteronormative—assuming that everyone is/was born heterosexual and everything is about heterosexuality—and connotes a Heterosexual versus Non-Heterosexual war of orientations—the one striving to end the other. This is not so.
Also, Species do not ONLY need to procreate to ensure their survival but must function as a community to transfer genes that are overall favourable onto the next generation. That is procreation is not the ONLY contribution that members of a species have to make to prevent the extinction of the species. This is explained by the concepts of the gene-centered theory of evolution, and the “Helper in the Nest” hypothesis. These theories hold that the genetic contribution to homosexuality has been preserved through time because this helps support other related genes that favour propagation of the human species. My point here is that there is no need for nature to procreate numerous offsprings without favouring them for survival, they will just die off and this is evidenced by the fact that Neanderthal man and other older fossil records of man showed smaller skulls (corresponding to smaller brain size) and were less intelligent.
A study done by Andrea Camperio Ciani and Elena Pellizzari in 2012, [http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0051088.] found that non-parental females (aunts and grandmothers) in the maternal lines of homosexual males were more fertile than those of heterosexual males, suggesting that the genetic contribution to fertility in women was being carried along by nature with male homosexuality. This study agreed with other similar studies (http://www.nytimes.com/1993/07/16/us/report-suggests-homosexuality-is-linked-to-genes.html?pagewanted=all, http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2014/11/study-gay-brothers-may-confirm-x-chromosome-link-homosexuality, https://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/feb/14/genes-influence-male-sexual-orientation-study) which found out homosexual males were more related on the maternal side and also found similar genetic regions in about 97% of gay men in a locus on the X chromosome(Xq28) which was usually contributed by the mother for genotypic males. The research helps throw some light on the fact that female fertility and homosexual tendencies are relevant to preventing extinction as a pair. It is evident therefore that nature has persistently preserved both heterosexual and other sexual orientations through generations because NATURE REQUIRES HETEROSEXUAL, HOMOSEXUAL, BISEXUAL and OTHER SEXUAL ORIENTATIONS TO PREVENT HUMANS FROM GOING EXTINCT. This is because other orientations obviously contribute to the propagation of the Homo sapiens species and no way results in its extinction because they exist in balance with heterosexual orientation which can still procreate. This, however, doesn’t even mean that people of other sexual orientations are infertile and cannot reproduce. In the US 37% of LGBT people have a child, about 60% of which are biological.
If we know anything about nature and science, it is that history has shown how much of nature science is still yet to uncover. So I can imagine there are many more unknown contributions of the diverse minority sexual orientations in nature that science is even yet to explore.
Another basis of this argument comes from the direction of the anatomical forms of male and female animal species. It states that animals are usually heterosexual male and female in nature and there are no Homosexual or Bisexual animals. Examples of this part of the argument include statements like: “Have you seen two male dogs having sex before?” “Even animals have male and female, and its male lion mating with female lion, not male and male or female and female.” “God made man with penis and woman with vagina for a reason.” This argument has long been refuted by nature itself which has offered more than enough examples of Homosexual and Bisexual behaviours in the animal kingdom. Nature has also fortunately blessed our diverse world with intersex members of species (regarded in certain parlances as haemaphrodites) who have natural anatomical sexual organs conforming to neither Male nor Female strictly (ambiguous Instruments) or having both. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals http://community.lovenature.com/wild/why-do-some-animals-exhibit-homosexual-behaviour
When the Anti-LGBTQIA+ proponents see these scientific facts stacked against them, they say, ‘Just because animals do it doesn’t mean we should adopt animal behaviours.’ Well, the point is: Homosexuals, Bisexuals and Other sexual minorities are not “doing it” because animals do it, they are just being their innate self while referring Anti-LGBTQIA+ proponents to the animal kingdom as a genuine and untampered—at least in this aspect, unless someone is of the opinion that people are converting animals in the wild into gay animals— part of nature.
Finally, scientifically speaking, man is classified under the Kingdom animalia and If the Homo sapiens species were the only member of the kingdom to exhibit non-heterosexual orientations we would have questioned the scientific validity of these orientations being natural but this is not so. What is however impossible to find in the Kingdom Animalia is the hate directed against people of minority sexual orientations.
Heterosexuals always say they “came into” their sexual orientations naturally irrespective of how they first explored sex and they are believed but yet promoters of the “against nature” argument find it hard to believe Homosexuals, Bisexuals and Other sexual minorities when they say they “came into” their attractions not from any learned conscious behaviour and irrespective of what their first sexual explorations were. If heterosexuality is natural and not learned, then other variations of sexuality should be easily understood to be natural and not learnt. The funniest thing is that some Anti LGBTQIA+ supporters say homosexual tendencies are strong desires with genetic predispositions—so are stealing, murder and criminal behaviours. The comparison however, is not apt because it is trying to equate Homosexuality, Bisexuality and Other sexual orientations to behaviours that are harmful to society. The flaws of this argument are exposed below.
1. OTHER SEXUAL ORIENTATIONS (proven genetic contributions); “may indeed be natural”
2. MURDER, THEFT (might have genetic predispositions; “may indeed be natural but are harmful and so are considered immoral’
3. CONCLUSION OF THE ARGUMENT IS, “Other Sexual orientations are harmful and also immoral too” (AN UNTRUE STATEMENT THAT IS INFERRED IN THE ARGUMENT), “so surely you cannot say they are natural if not you are also saying Murder and Theft are natural”.

Again, no orientation is in itself harmful and several studies have shown that Homosexuality, Bisexuality and Other Sexual orientations are no more harmful than Heterosexual orientation. My point here is that, if you can prove that genetics supports predisposition to stealing, murder and other crimes, then those behaviours can be said to be natural but are not acceptable because they are harmful. However, non-heterosexual orientations are both natural and harmless and are not crimes against humanity. Whether they are harmful or harmless is by the way another debate. Bringing it into the argument of “against nature” just shows that the Anti-LGBTQIA+ proponents are in a hurry to get to their real intention of this argument which is to have any reason at all to hate and discriminate minority sexual orientations.
I also hear supporters of the “against nature” argument claim that there is no gay gene and so there is no genetic support for other sexual orientations. Permit me to say that people who say this are just brandishing their ignorance on the subject of genetics and its research. In medicine there are numerous conditions and traits with known genetic predisposition for which there are no pin-point single gene culprits. The absence of a particular gene culprit for all cases in conditions such as Schizophrenia, Down’s syndrome and Parkinson’s disease does not dispute the fact that it has inheritance and genetics as a major contributor in its aetiology. In the area of sexual orientation, research has not been extensive for obvious social reasons but the evidence in support of a genetic predisposition is just as strong as that for other conditions in the science of medicine so this ‘show me the exact gay gene’ argument is as invalid as ‘show me the exact straight gene’. One very common type of genetic research which helps scientist to understand the impact of nature and nurture in a situation is the twin studies. One such study by J. Michael Bailey and Richard Pillard studied male homosexuality among Monozygotic twins (MZ), Dizygotic twins (DZ) and non-related adopted brothers. The study found that 52% of MZ twins both identified as gay, while 22% of DZ twins and only 5% of non-related adopted brothers were so. This showed that the more closely genetically linked people are, the more likely they exhibit the same sexuality. This evidence was repeated by another study and found to be true however not in the same percentages. Obviously, nurture also contributes to what an individual becomes albeit as far as sexuality is concerned nature surely contributes a great quota. This video link gives a rounded view of the genetic theories that support innate homosexual predispositions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP-yZ9jOVnk.
Perhaps in another discourse, I will debunk the Anti-LGBTQIA+ argument which say that Homosexual, Bisexual and other sexual orientations are learned behaviours from the media and Pro-LGBTQIA+ societies. The shocking truth is, in many extremely homophobic countries like Uganda, Nigeria and many countries in the Middle East where there is almost zero show of Homosexual affection in the media and most representations of any non heterosexual orientation is usually negative, there exist a significant LGBTQIA population. Even in Nazi Germany where homosexuality was punishable by death, love letters were still recently unearthed of two gay veterans from the German army.
In many places, being queer is a cultural taboo and also criminalized. So the big question is, why would so many people ‘choose’ to be hated outcasts? My only plausible answer is NATURE, NATURE, AND NATURE.

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Shankieboy:
I'm a devoted christian. I believe in Jesus And his teachings. But what I don't seem to understand is Why he hasn't changed my Sexuality. I've prayed. Threatened to harm myself, believing he'll heal me from homosexuality. But all to to no avail.

I've fasted. 5 days dry. I've been celibate for years but I still find myself attracted to members of my gender.

I'm very close to self hate because I feel disgusted with myself. I've tried to be straight. had several girlfriends but I don't seem to be sexually attracted to them. It just doesn't work.

What do I do? Please, help me. I need a miracle. I need an intervention. Else, I'll wallow in depression.

Insults are welcomed.

I will kindly refer you to my topic how I struggled with homosexuality for years.

Gods word told us to speak the truth with love. You are Gods creation, fearfully and wonderful made and very much in Gods eternal purpose. However am sorry to inform you that God never created anyone of us Gay including you and I. This is in simple terms the manifestation of the fallen man, or you can say Adamic nature. Jesus is the answer till. Gods grace has helped me not on this, I got married last year also and enjoying my marriage. My wife knows everything about me concerning this matter before she even accepted my proposal. You can ask anything further and I pray my testimony be a source of encouragement to you too. Remain blessed

Shawnnn01:
Am sorry if my opinion come across as strong but if your sexual orientation is not straight please go ahead n commit suicide it is for the greater good of the society. This is like arguing a thief should be left alone because he did not steal from you.

Nigeria can not be robbed of it’s dignity and common sense because of your wrongly wired sexual orientation so please do not hesitate from committing suicide. It is the best and only option for you and others like yourself. it is for the greater good of the society thank you as you die in hell.

Lol guy u badt.. like kilode, you can imagine so many cursed people hiding in the shield of social media saying they are gay and even giving advice, people that are supposed to be publicly castrated.

Jsmile:
I will kindly refer you to my topic how I struggled with homosexuality for years.

Gods word told us to speak the truth with love. You are Gods creation, fearfully and wonderful made and very much in Gods eternal purpose. However am sorry to inform you that God never created anyone of us Gay including you and I. This is in simple terms the manifestation of the fallen man, or you can say Adamic nature. Jesus is the answer till. Gods grace has helped me not on this, I got married last year also and enjoying my marriage. My wife knows everything about me concerning this matter before she even accepted my proposal. You can ask anything further and I pray my testimony be a source of encouragement to you too. Remain blessed

I always have a few problems with the numerous "religious" especially Christian stories of people who claimed to be ex-gays probably because I've met a few and I've read a lot of stories on such online Christian forums.
The first people I usually have problems are those who say they still have same-sex desire but have been fighting daily to abstain from such acts because like I said before homosexual orientation is not about sex but about emotions, feelings and attractions. Whether you do that till you die you are still as gay as the person who acted upon the desire. Some go on to marry(even gay non-christians do this) and some do not like the famous ex-gay Donnie mclurkin.
The second people who don't so much surprise me are those who after years of claiming ex-gay revert back to being gay, their stories are littered everywhere.
Finally, there are those who claim they are ex-gay when in fact they were never gay. They were just people who probably had gay sex. Because again being gay is about who you are attracted to and not about sex. a gay person is only attracted to members of the same sex, except of course they are bisexuals.

Doctormarrvin:
I advised the owner of the thread to seek therapy for his depression then seek asylum in a less homophobic country if he feels he's past help,thats not ruining his life is it? Science has tried to determine if homosexuality is genetically inheritable but they realized they were moving in circles so they decided to accept homosexual individuals and love them for their differences,at least until a cure is discovered. Why should they look for a cure for something that is natural? I seek enlightenment from you bro. Assuming mankind didn't discovered the cure for malaria,they would have accepted the fate of the victims too,would that have made malaria natural?

Malaria IS natural. The only reason why malaria needed a cure was because of its undesirable effects on those affected. If malaria had no negative effects, there would be no need to find a cure. By the way, where on earth did you hear that scientists are looking for a cure for homosexuality?

escodotman:
What do you mean how long did it take scientists to explain genetic anomalies?? I don't understand you at all because homosexuality had been in existence even before Jesus came to this world, during the time of Sodom and Gomorah, that was many thousands of years ago!! It would never take science that long to explain it if it has any Genetic or Anatomical inference. It means it is not and never will be a product of nature!

Wait, you said homosexuality has been in existence before the time of Jesus. Now the same you is saying that it is not natural. Please, who invented homosexuality and in what year? And every other anatomical, physiological or genetic defect has more or less existed as long as man has existed and only got scientific explanations recently. So what are you on about?

Shankieboy:
I'm a devoted christian. I believe in Jesus And his teachings. But what I don't seem to understand is Why he hasn't changed my Sexuality. I've prayed. Threatened to harm myself, believing he'll heal me from homosexuality. But all to to no avail.

I've fasted. 5 days dry. I've been celibate for years but I still find myself attracted to members of my gender.

I'm very close to self hate because I feel disgusted with myself. I've tried to be straight. had several girlfriends but I don't seem to be sexually attracted to them. It just doesn't work.

What do I do? Please, help me. I need a miracle. I need an intervention. Else, I'll wallow in depression.

Insults are welcomed.

bro, you only live once. Just be safe in whatever you're doing. Ignore hypocrites. Don't kill yourself.

bros get your phone google where you can find a qaulify homeopathic doctor in nigeria i'm assuring that mentality will leave you like magic. Homosexuality is a serious psychological disease that need emergency attention under homeopathic medicine. i can help you with some of homeopathic doctors numbers in nigeria.Do this thank me letter.

boringnigerian:
Malaria IS natural. The only reason why malaria needed a cure was because of its undesirable effects on those affected. If malaria had no negative effects, there would be no need to find a cure. By the way, where on earth did you hear that scientists are looking for a cure for homosexuality?

Some scientists might have accepted homosexuality as one of the many enigmas of nature but trust me,some scientists did,not all. I've copied some proofs from the net as I can't copy all so you can request for the link if you're interested in reading more about it. "Biomedical Treatments of Homosexuality
Storm clouds are growing in the treatment literature. Although it may seem that the battle over the diagnoses and treatment of homosexuality is over, that is an illusion. A new threat to gay people has arisen resulting from the work of biomedical research in the United States and Germany. These researchers have introduced a whole range of theories and treatments that can be used either to prevent the development of homosexuality or to eliminate it in adults. Three techniques for identifying the cause of, and then eliminating, homosexuality has been described: surgical techniques, use of hormones, and prenatal research. Each derives from the belief that biology is destiny."
This shows effort were been made to cure it and some researchers are still actively interested in finding a cure.

FluidQueen:
Dude. Let me start by telling you, YOU ARE AMAZING!
You are what you are, A Gay, Beautiful man.
No amount of prayers and anointing oils would change that, but it's okay. Your god obviously made you that way. In his words, he created man in his own image. You're his image, and your sexuality too.


Stop torturing yourself. Go find love and happiness. Embrace your sexuality. Find a dude. It is who you are. If you eventually meet God and he judges You, ask him why he didn't change you. His fault, not yours.

PS- Send me a message. A DM. We need to talk. Suicide isn't the option. Life's too short to feel this way. Pursue those Orgasms, boy!

are you OK?