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Give God any amount you wish to give him

Don't be fooled, tithing is compulsory for every born again child of God. their is nothing like "if you like" when it comes to the issue of God.it's either you pay or you dont. it is how you give that you'll be blessed. make no mistake about this.

obamd:
Remove tithes and church revenue dips by 80%. No jokes.

Takes guts to come out in defence of that kind of position he took.

I'll give him 8/10

You are wrong bro. It was written that the early Church never lacked.

The same God who provided for them is very much around and alive today.

shallysgirl:
The issue is that it was made to look like you have to sow a seed to be healed, fruitful even for long life. I thank God for deliverance.

Exactly, that is what grieves me the most.

No one need to sow seed to be healed for the scripture says by his wounds we were healed not by our tithe or seed.

"You don't need to so sow money to be prosperous for the new creation is born prosperous in Christ." The problem is some are finding it hard to believe this amazing truth with their whole heart and mind that is why is not manifesting in their lifes.

They are still trying to do something to get what they already have in their palms.

saltoasis:
Who cares what you score him.
If you like score him -50/10 . Why are you not bothered about what will God score you that is judging him.

See vex!

onatisi:
Infact it would have been better if these pastors had continue supporting tithe paying ,then at least ppl would have believed maybe they really don't know BUT THE WAY AND MANNER THEY ALL SEEM TO BE AGRREING WITH DADDY FREEZE ACTUALLY DOES PROVE THAT they knew all along that paying of tithes isn't by force but they have deliberately keep on preaching about it that it is a must.
The fact that it took someone like daddy freeze to show Nigerians the truth now proves the point that THERE IS NOONE GOD CANT USE TO PASS A MESSAGE TO THE WORLD AND WE MUST ALWAYS LISTEN TO THE MESSAGE RATHER THAN LOOKING AND JUDGING THE MESSENGER

Nothing more to add.

The Nigerian pastor is a mostly shameless, vain and proud person that cannot agree he is capable of erring. Their ego driven personalities (e.g. The witch slapper and the divorcee that blames his wife) will make it easier for them to swallow Stones than their pride and admit they were wrong.

If God could use Rahab the harlot to bring about the fall of Jericho then I wonder why these judgemental holy-holy Christians are just making noise about Freeze. I give credit to PST Adeyemi even if I don't fully agree with him on this matter. The rest are just thieves and rogues on suit.

bloodofthelamb:
You are wrong bro. It was written that the early Church never lacked.

The same God who provided for them is very much around and alive today.

If someone calls you mumu you will rush and say they are persecuting you and Islamization has started.

But you are being deliberately foolish to just win an argument

The church thrived because all brought as they had, not told to give 10%. The early church did not require anyone to tithe and they actually put in effort to see that none lacked.

But you pro tithers say you tithe to support God's work.

BushWickBill:
This is how we know the educationally disadvantaged folks of this mentally lazy generation who just want to have an opinion. Aside from your terrible diction, instead of looking up what he said,you are castigating him.
Then you will want to have a say when you have not the faintest idea of what the issue is about, just for the purpose of belonging to nairaland and just to be heard. These ones will flock to the nearby church and just assimilate whatever rubbish one fraud in the pulpit is saying and regurgitate it in a public forum.



Sigh.

Mr. AERODYNAMIC 'S

Am anxiously waiting for your next quote. Enlighten me please but don't divert from your initial false theory

BushWickBill:
This Adeyemi sef.

Something has expired and yet it still has a principle.

How vacuous and vague can you get? How hypocritical is this?Isn't it double standards?

It's like saying Boyle's Law doesn't exist anymore, yet you ask for it in WAEC Physics.


If he has the guts, let him tackle this topic full steam ahead instead of half-stepping it and stopping short of offending Bishops and GOs and co.

All these cowardly pastors who can't be brave enough to tell a simple truth.

Watch two Pastorpreneurs clashing on this tithe doctrine...

David Oyedepo and Chris Oyakhilome have conflicting views on tithing... (I don't believe any of them either though) but you'll find this hilarious...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0xBAfqIFm4

OkCornel:
Watch
two Pastorpreneurs clashing on this tithe doctrine...

David Oyedepo and Chris Oyakhilome
have conflicting views on tithing...
(I don't believe any of them either though) but you'll find this hilarious...

h t t ps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0xBAfqIFm4

SMH. Comedy of errors+Confused.com

Gilgil:
It actually shows that the guy doesnt understand science. The law of aerodynamics does not annul gravity. The gravitational pull is still there and constantly acting on any obect in flight and on ground. Heck it is keeping the whole earth in orbit and the planets and galaxies.

Some bloke.comes out to talk nonsense using scientific laws he doesnt understand to support a religious conviction e has not thoroughly researched.

The guy feels we all never had access to a physics textbook or probably thinks he is the only engineer in the forum.

There is even no relation in the gibberish he composed.


Aerodynamic defeating gravity....

BushWickBill:
If someone calls you mumu you will rush and say they are persecuting you and Islamization has started.

But you are being deliberately foolish to just win an argument

The church thrived because all brought as they had, not told to give 10%. The early church did not require anyone to tithe and they actually put in effort to see that none lacked.

But you pro tithers say you tithe to support God's work.

How does it make you feel to put another down?

MuttleyLaff:
SMH. Comedy of errors+Confused.com

As in eh...

When two men who shepherd a large flock miss road and lead the entire sheeps astray...

The picture below summarizes it all...

OkCornel:
As in eh...

When two men who shepherd a large flock miss road and lead the entire sheeps astray...

The picture below summarizes it all...

Wolf in Sheep clothing
versus
Wolf in Shepherd clothing

that na upgrade, no bi so?

bloodofthelamb:
How does it make you feel to put another down?

I think he mistook your ID for some other one

MuttleyLaff:
Wolf in Sheep clothing
versus
Wolf in Shepherd clothing

that na upgrade, no bi so?

Na massive upgrade on the ladder of deceit...

Wolf in Shepherd's clothing fit carry entire flock of sheep to fellow wolves for a bountiful supper...

MuttleyLaff:
I think he mistook your ID for some other one

I think so, but I still want to subtly make him realise that there is no glory in spitting bile.

Seun:
In response to just the video: Respect to Pastor Sam Adeyemi. As he said, no Christian should be made to feel guilty for not paying tithe. Hopefully, other pastors will follow his lead.

You still don't get the concept. A man and his money can be so hard to part, especially in an economy as tough as Nigeria's.
I have been in churches where so much get said on tithes, where its importance is utterly emphasized, yet people's payment are really paltry.
And I've been at other churches where all that's said is "Those who have their tithes should please step forward to present" and you see people come out in their numbers to make meaningful payments.

So, as Adults, we don't pay tithes because of cajoling, or out of fear as you may think. We just see an investment vehicle that offers pretty high returns, and we want to lock in for as long as possible. That's how it is for most true tithe payers. It's a strange concept to you, so why should you think your assumptions regarding its modalities are true?

BushWickBill:
This one thinks it's by barking orders.

Go and call out your goon trolls Gombs and joagbaje the fraud to defend your already stale position.

Tithe is not compulsory

lol...

VBCampaign:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2v6XC8j_wLQ

Sam Adeyemi and the Tithe

By Deji Yesufu

Last Sunday, 25th February 2018, Pastor Sam Adeyemi of the Daystar Churches in Lagos, joined the tithe debate. He said that no Christian was under a curse for not tithing. He said that tithing under the law was expired and no Christian should be made to feel guilty for not tithing today. His exact words:

“You are free to decide what to give. But if you sow sparingly you will reap sparingly. Tithing as practiced under the law has expired but tithing as a general principle cannot expire. A Christian is free to give any percentage of his money. But bear in mind that 10% is still part of the number. If somebody chooses to give 10%, he should not be condemned and if he gives less or more than that, he has a right to decide what to do.”

Sam Adeyemi reached this position by studying the subject of the tithe a little further, as a result of the recent debate that it has elicited in recent time; especially following Daddy Freeze’s campaign against tithing. The last piece of information reveals what many of us have long suspected about modern Pentecostal Pastors. Most of what many of them preach is passed on information from some other popular minister. Their convictions on salient matters of the gospel do not come from the study of scriptures and personal conviction. I believe that there is a lot more these ministers will learn, if they will look a little deeper into their Bibles.

Nonetheless, I must commend Sam Adeyemi for his candour and boldness. Very few ministers of his calibre will know what he has discovered and take a position in public on it. God bless him and may the Lord cause him to see more in the gospel than these. The mere fact of saying that Christians are not cursed for not tithing and that people have freedom to use their money the way they please is liberating.

But there is more...

For me personally, the question of tithing or not tithing brought about a personal reformation of my Christian beliefs. It led me to understand what is true and what is false. In a real way, your position on tithing will determine whether or not you will go to heaven.

I find it intriguing that as Sam Adeyemi gave his position on tithing, he resorted to discussing the New Testament and the core doctrine that come with it. He spoke of the abolishing of the law and the liberty of the Christian. I wonder if Mr. Adeyemi’s studies revealed to him what was the cause of these wonderful truths of the scriptures. If he did not see it, I will show him.

The Christian is free from the laws of Moses because of Jesus Christ’s death and resurrection. The living Jesus on earth was born of the Holy Spirit, thereby giving him no sinful nature like every other man on earth. In the process, our Lord fulfilled the law of Moses perfectly. The fact that Christ had no sinful nature did not prevent his being tempted. Christ was tempted but he did not sin.

Thus making him the blameless Lamb of God who could stand as the perfect sacrifice for the sins of all men. With this sacrifice, there was no need for the sacrifice of bulls and goats again; thus, bringing an end to a central practice of Moses’ law.

Therefore anyone who believes in Jesus, will have his sins forgiven and he would put on the perfect righteousness of the Son of God. Because of Jesus, the Christian is justified from all thing; and in Jesus, the Christian has perfect righteousness.

Thus, the law of Moses that led us to Christ, has lost its significance because Christ has fully fulfilled its requirements – through his life and his death.

So that when Jesus walked the earth, he was already beginning to give the Jews a picture of the New Covenant he was to enact. Jesus broke the Jews’ strict observance of the Sabbath and he never rebuked his disciples for doing the same. He was showing the Jews that in him, observance of the law was ebbing away.

After Jesus had departed to heaven, the first major conflict in the Church had to do with the position of whether or not to continue certain aspects of the law. In Acts 15, the Apostles agreed among themselves that Gentiles were not to be compelled to be circumcised to be saved. In other words, there was no place for a strict adherence to the laws of Moses in Christendom. What we have now is the law of Christian love and the demands of the Spirit in our hearts.

Through the centuries, Christians have debated different aspects of the law and their place in the Church. It is an enlightened minister indeed that knows the true place of the law in this dispensation of grace.

But the challenge with Sam Adeyemi new found position is that it is still not a thorough biblical position. To say that a “general principle of tithing” still exists today is to continue the old doctrine but in a new garb. Sam Adeyemi adds the biblical position of “he that sows sparingly will reap sparingly” to support this position.

In doing this, Mr. Adeyemi confirmed my fears that what is really at stake here is not the gospel or the matter of salvation, but the need for Christians to secure their finances. What Sam Adeyemi has posited is another means of securing the god of mammon that modern Charismatics worship.

At the heart of the Charismatic message is the good life: more money, no sickness, no curse, increase, breakthrough, abundance, open heavens, etc. The modern Charismatic message, which Sam Adeyemi himself preaches, secures the good life for Christians. So, while taking a sound biblical position on tithing, Sam Adeyemi succeeds in retaining the god of mammon in his message.

In 2 Corinthians 9, when Paul spoke of “he that gives sparingly will reap sparingly”, he was talking about tithing or a life of breakthrough. He was speaking to Christians and encouraging them to give to a worthy cause of providing support to some other Christians in need. There had been famine in Jerusalem and Paul was encouraging Gentile Christians to give toward the cause.

And to encourage them to give towards this cause, he made it clear that those who give sparingly will reap sparingly. The text did not have a big church, that amasses millions every Sunday in mind. It did not have giving to Pastors who themselves are already living large and ostentatiously lives in mind. That text had poor and needy Christians in mind.

Thus, my admonition to Sam Adeyemi and those who listen to him is to encourage them to return again to their Bibles and read it with an open heart. What God needs from us is not our money; what he needs is our heart. Let Mr. Adeyemi and other Charismatic Christians return to scriptures and renounce the god of mammon they worship, and return to follow the true Christ of the Bible.

Then will their giving make any sense. Then will they understand the place of giving to support Christian work. Then will they understand that the welfare of the poor and needy in our midst is the Bible’s priority when it calls Christians to take a collection each Sunday.

It is not all bad though. Just last week, Pastor Benny Hinn comes out to own up to preaching a prosperity gospel. Now it is Sam Adeyemi saying that Christians are not cursed for not tithing. More and more, these Pastors will find ears to hear what the Holy Spirit is saying to the churches. They will repent of their ways and find true Christianity and eternal life in the process.

Source: https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1552433724832832&id=1505609702848568

CC: Seun, Lalasticlala

I read through your writings and comments underneath it and was moved to make this points .

1 this message wasn't in isolation , this was the fourth message in a four path series and the take on tithing was the concluding part .

The series was about the principles of giving as a christian .



2 Tithing has expired under the law but the principle of tithing ( a form of giving ) - which doesnt have to be 10% of your income , but whatever percentage
your earth so desires - , is still very much in place . There is a blessing attached to being generous and there are consequences to being tight fisted . This is true for Christians , non - Christians or atheists .

please try to get the preceding parts of this message, this would aid better comprehension of this topic .

* four part series
* comes from your heart .

sharpman1:
This is a similar position held in the book 'The Midas Touch: A Balanced Approach to Biblical Prosperity' by Kenneth E. Hagin.

It was published in 1999 and i read it around year 2000.

I still pay tithe but i don't do it out of fear of being cursed or going to hell.

I give because i believe in what the church is doing and i know that it is God that sustains me.

Good morning Bro, happy Sunday! plz can you get mi a link that i can download Pa Hagin book u posted above. I have Google it but i can see a free PDF file to download

BushWickBill:
This one thinks it's by barking orders.

Go and call out your goon trolls Gombs and joagbaje the fraud to defend your already stale position.

Tithe is not compulsory

mind your business


leave us to pay our tithes... but Deji, you know i know how to bust you! You know say we don tey for this turf...you are now promoting yourself? What happened to your adherents and those your rag-tag team who claimed they have liberated MANY from tithing? Jokers!

DrummaBoy, then WinsomeX and now VBcampaign?

you sold your shame to who? for what exactly?

i think you should join daddy freeze on this your anti-tithe campaign, you failed mercilessly in these past few years, let's see how monumental the failure of your tag team with daddy freeze will be.

this is the link you and frosbel did 4 years ago...your failure with frosbel deserves an Oscar... you couldn't even print a tract in 4years, despite your epistles on nairaland, but not passionate enough to print a simple tract and share it.
https://www.nairaland.com/1810931/design-anti-tithe-tract-50/1#24704734

i see newbies and folks who changed their moniker littered all over this thread, that is why a lot of us didn't deem it sane to participate in this discussion, which have been trashed severally here since 2012.

una no dey grow?

Gombs:
mind your business

leave us to pay our tithes... but Deji, you know i know how to bust you!
You know say we don tey for this turf...
you are now promoting yourself?
What happened to your adherents and those your rag-tag team who claimed they have liberated MANY from tithing? Jokers!

DrummaBoy, then WinsomeX and now VBcampaign?

you sold your shame to who? for what exactly?

i think you should join daddy freeze on this your anti-tithe campaign, you failed mercilessly in these past few years,
let's see how monumental the failure of your tag team with daddy freeze will be.

this is the link you and frosbel did 4 years ago...your failure with frosbel deserves an Oscar... you couldn't even print a tract in 4years, despite your epistles on nairaland, but not passionate enough to print a simple tract and share it.
https://www.nairaland.com/1810931/design-anti-tithe-tract-50/1#24704734

i see newbies and folks who changed their moniker littered all over this thread, that is why a lot of us didn't deem it sane to participate in this discussion, which have been trashed severally here since 2012.

una no dey grow?

Gombs:
4 years don waka

Yes! Not need for it, we now digital
You see how, without it, its caught on with Freeze?
How many years after that your Onitsha Mall stunt sef too?
No make am wait 4 years before you do the real thing ooo
and no "ajibu" before then too
"ajibu" loosely meaning "no milk sampling"

doyinbaby:
Give God any amount you wish to give him

leave these folks....i know them well.


if i start with them ehn...lol

Seun, i see you viewing this thread... don't you see rule 19 openly being flouted?

he was here with his real name before his inconsistency with his teachings made he make several turns...and now, we are here again...VBcampaign

https://www.nairaland.com/1392883/how-realistic-tithing#17361764

meanwhile, how have you been?

newdlandreport:
I am a pastor and i am very happy that pastor sam adeyemi stood up for the truth , i see his spirit, he is new creation minded than most of his colleagues with big churches who has been blinded by money

If tithing was a new creation doctrine apostle Paul would have dedicated a chapter for it as he did the holy communion and how husband and wife should submit to each other, the only doctrine he mentioned on given was how to remember other believers who are in need, and he asked us to give cheerfully.

I am a pastor but i dont pay tithe , but i recognize by the holy spirit that the church needs money to run its self and also help the needy and pay salaries, so what i do is called the lord honor, i bring out 12% of the increase of what God has blessed me with and i give it to the church, am not under any compulsion to give it, but i give it out of Gods love for me. i give more than 12% atimes because i could not get my self to give lower.

I do it freely , if i dont give it nobody will curse me , including God himself. i am happy doing it, in fact its my pleasure to do it.

But i want to thank Pastor Adeyemi, for standing up for the truth, at least he tried. i pray he also stand up for eternal forgiveness of our sins, past .present and future. Jesus paid for all human sins. once and for all.
Pastor Peace

Only 12% for all this English you're speaking... anyway, lemme come and be going.

Gombs:
leave these folks....i know them well.

if i start with them ehn...lol

Gombs:
... i see you viewing this thread...
don't you see rule 19 openly being flouted?

he was here with his real name before his inconsistency with his teachings made he make several turns...
and now, we are here again...VBcampaign

https://www.nairaland.com/1392883/how-realistic-tithing#17361764

meanwhile, how have you been?

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Dont snitch. Never rat.
Always know when to keep your mouth shut
No one likes a tattletale

MuttleyLaff:
[img]https://s1/images/Loverboy.jpg[/img]
Dont snitch. Never rat.
Always know when to keep your mouth shut
No one likes a tattletale

Gombs has still not grown up.