Much as I hate doing this I just need to for the sake of the problematic atheist community here on nairaland. I like them though but they never seem to reason so let me help them reason properly.

The world as we know it is slowly degenerating into a chaotic place and isn't wholesome anymore for so many and in times like these people seek for hope, motivation, encouragement, direction, comfort.

This is so for a vast majority of people world wide so they are constantly on the look out for anyone who can offer them these. So here come the nairaland atheists or even the atheists worldwide to help them as best they can.

From my observations atheism is simply a rejection mixed with a sceptical approach with a dice of mockery all added together. We all know that scepticism is a common phenomenon everywhere in the world.

We are sceptical in our offices, market places, schools, and even the area boys and girls are sceptical so this makes scepticism, common place and so irrelevant. However people are always on the look out for anyone with any form of answers and tend to avoid sceptics because as I said, it is so common place. But answer providers are not common place.

We also know that mockery can get boring and tiresome a lot as we cannot keep it up because after a while the fans of the one mocking would begin to get tired and walking away one by one because it is becoming ridiculous and repetitive. Eventually they will turn on the one mocking.

A thread was put up by winner01 (a Christian) which got me thinking about putting up this thread as well. This is the thread


https://www.nairaland.com/4412272/atheist-convention-reason-hope-cancelled

Among the list of the atheist leaders who were to speak in the convention is Richard Dawkins . Richard, the once applauded, atheist and with throngs of followers could not pull his usual attention to this convention so they had to cancel it due to dismal ticket sales.

This was actually the 3rd GLOBAL convention and at just the 3rd convention things are already falling apart.

How can a GLOBAL atheist convention experience dismal ticket sales? Why aren't the global atheists interested?

There are religious conventions which have been held yearly for upwards of 50 years or even 20 years now and still pull crowds because of the hope, comfort, direction, motivation, encouragement, they offer which everyone seeks after. Yet at just the 3rd convention atheists are already losing interest.

If atheists can offer hope they will grow
If they can offer motivation they will grow
If they can offer encouragement they will grow
If they can offer direction they will grow
If they can offer comfort they will grow

But can they offer any of these? No they cannot

Do they make any attempts at working on these? No they do not.

All they do most times is mock and be sceptical in a monotonous manner that even their fellow atheists are getting tired of the whole repetition as shown via the link I posted from winner01.

My advice to atheists especially those on nairaland is this.

1. Show us how much you care and not how well you mock

2. Show us how I can give my life a meaning and not how to live a meaningless life by telling me that I would die one day and become manure and everything about me ends there.

3. Show us how to have hope and not hopelessness.

4. Show me what atheism has to offer me that would be positive to me and my community and make me valuable to the world.

5. Show me love (if you have it) because you cannot give what you do not have. Show me the love in you and not the hatred in you (because this hatred is seen in practically all nairaland atheists here).

6. Strive to Catch up with the notable religious achievements which have aided the world to be a better, more productive and appreciated place by doing something a lot more useful with your time rather than religioshaming me or mocking me for not being you.

Despite knowing that atheism cannot thrive without God I also know that your acceptance of the lack of existence of God should have enabled you to move on from God related issues by now and why you are still unable to do this, I think is an issue you must tackle with your invisible leash and chain.

I hope you heed my advice.

Shadeyinka, Emmanystone, sonofthunder, sciencewatch, cutemadridista, dalaman, felixomor, ishilove, seun and all others.

Lalasticlala, mynd44 can we get more inputs via the front page?

Atheism by default is their own undoing. Their foundation is a negative so how can one build on a negative? It is simply not possible!

To confirm what I just posted above, here is a comment from winner01 from the other thread whose link I posted here.

Could this be a corroboration to the prediction that atheism is in decline and will be defeated by faith

But really, its clear as day that all atheism offers is hopelessness and no purpose even though several atheists like to act like theists and attach purpose to different life. Most Nigerian atheists are serious bigots and that's why they will almost never admit to the hopelessness of atheism in the course of an argument. Here are some prominent atheists admitting to the hopelessness of the atheistic worldview;



In a debate the atheist activist Dan Barker had with a Christian apologist by the name of James White; Barker remarked: “There is no purpose to life, and we should not want there to be a purpose to life because if there was that would cheapen life”.

It is also evident that many atheists also feel the nihilistic force behind their philosophy, as in the words of the late William Provine:

“Let me summarize my views on what modern evolutionary biology tells us loud and clear … There are no gods, no purposes, no goal-directed forces of any kind. There is no life after death. When I die, I am absolutely certain that I am going to be dead. That’s the end for me. There is no ultimate foundation for ethics, no ultimate meaning to life, and no free will for humans, either”.

Provine would also say that “No inherent moral or ethical laws exist, nor are there any absolute guiding principles for human society. The universe cares nothing for us and we have no ultimate meaning in life”.

Further, after Richard Dawkins had penned his best seller The God Delusion he recounts some concerns forwarded to him by his readers; Dawkins recounts:

“A foreign publisher of my first book confessed the he could not sleep for three nights after reading it, so troubled was he by what he saw as its cold, bleak message. Others have asked me how I can bear to get up in the mornings. A teacher from a distant country wrote to me reproachfully that a pupil had come to him in tears after reading the same book, because it had persuaded her that life was empty and purposeless. He advised her not to show the book to any of her friends, for fear of contaminating them with the same nihilistic pessimism”.

Yet despite such existential nihilism Dawkins tries to lessen its effects: “Presumably there is indeed no purpose in the ultimate fate of the cosmos, but do any of us really tie our life’s hopes to the ultimate fate of the cosmos anyway?”

If that’s not enough, the atheist chemist Peter Atkins goes as far as to call us “children of chaos,” and that “the deep structure of change is decay. At root, there is only corruption, and the unstemmable tide of chaos. Gone is purpose; all that is left is direction. This is the bleakness we have to accept as we peer deeply and dispassionately into the heart of the Universe”

Jon Casimir, as cited by Marsden, is forthright: “Here’s what I think. There is no meaning of life. The whole thing is a gyp, a never-ending corridor to nowhere. What is passed off as an all-important search is basically just a bunch of philosophers scrabbling about on their knees, trying to find a lost sock in the cosmic laundromat”.

Existentialist Jean-Paul Sartre goes on to articulate his nihilistic epiphany: “I existed like a stone, a plant, a microbe… I was just thinking… that here we are, all of us, eating and drinking, to preserve our precious exis tence and there’s nothing, nothing, absolutely no reason for existing”.

Similarly depressing is philosopher Thomas Nagel’s words; he explains that “It is often remarked that nothing we do now will matter in a million years. But if that is true, then by the same token, nothing that will be the case in a million years matters now. In particular, it does not matter now that in million years nothing we do now will matter”. In another of his works Nagel believes that “Even if life as a whole is meaningless, perhaps that’s nothing to worry about. Perhaps we can recognise it and just go on as before”.




This is true for everyone with an atheistic worldview. Naturally, it negates the existence of humanity. Many Atheists don't care that existence first should not make sense to them before anything else.

butterflylion:

All they do most times is mock and be sceptical in a monotonous manner that even their fellow atheists are getting tired of the whole repetition as shown via the link I posted from winner01.

My advice to atheists especially those on nairaland is this.

1. Show us how much you care and not how well you mock

2. Show us how I can give my life a meaning and not how to live a meaningless life by telling me that I would die one day and become manure and everything about me ends there.

3. Show us how to have hope and not hopelessness.

4. Show me what atheism has to offer me that would be positive to me and my community and make me valuable to the world.

5. Show me love (if you have it) because you cannot give what you do not have. Show me the love in you and not the hatred in you (because this hatred is seen in practically all nairaland atheists here).

6. Strive to Catch up with the notable religious achievements which have aided the world to be a better, more productive and appreciated place by doing something a lot more useful with your time rather than religioshaming me or mocking me for not being you.



Cc: Shadeyinka, Emmanystone, sonofthunder, sciencewatch, cutemadridista, dalaman, felixomor, ishilove, seun and all others.

Lalasticlala, mynd44 can we get more inputs via the front page?

Brother na fight you dey find oo

Atheists can't provide all these things you're requesting oo

If na to ridicule religious people and their beliefs, they can provide that one abundantly.

Let's see maybe they can do without shifting the goal posts or ridiculing on this fine thread

Let's see what meaning atheists have to offer.

winner01:


Brother na fight you dey find oo

Atheists can't provide all these things you're requesting oo

If na to ridicule religious people and their beliefs, they can provide that one abundantly.

Let's see maybe they can do without shifting the goal posts or ridiculing on this fine thread

Let's see what meaning atheists have to offer.

They have to at least try

butterflylion:
Much as I hate doing this I just need to for the sake of the problematic atheist community here on nairaland. I like them though but they never seem to reason so let me help them reason properly.

The world as we know it is slowly degenerating into a chaotic place and isn't wholesome anymore for so many and in times like these people seek for hope, motivation, encouragement, direction, comfort.

This is so for a vast majority of people world wide so they are constantly on the look out for anyone who can offer them these. So here come the nairaland atheists or even the atheists worldwide to help them as best they can.

From my observations atheism is simply a rejection mixed with a sceptical approach with a dice of mockery all added together. We all know that scepticism is a common phenomenon everywhere in the world.

We are sceptical in our offices, market places, schools, and even the area boys and girls are sceptical so this makes scepticism, common place and so irrelevant. However people are always on the look out for anyone with any form of answers and tend to avoid sceptics because as I said, it is so common place. But answer providers are not common place.

We also know that mockery can get boring and tiresome a lot as we cannot keep it up because after a while the fans of the one mocking would begin to get tired and walking away one by one because it is becoming ridiculous and repetitive. Eventually they will turn on the one mocking.

A thread was put up by winner01 (a Christian) which got me thinking about putting up this thread as well. This is the thread


https://www.nairaland.com/4412272/atheist-convention-reason-hope-cancelled

Among the list of the atheist leaders who were to speak in the convention is Richard Dawkins . Richard, the once applauded, atheist and with throngs of followers could not pull his usual attention to this convention so they had to cancel it due to dismal ticket sales.

This was actually the 3rd GLOBAL convention and at just the 3rd convention things are already falling apart.

How can a GLOBAL atheist convention experience dismal ticket sales? Why aren't the global atheists interested?

There are religious conventions which have been held yearly for upwards of 50 years or even 20 years now and still pull crowds because of the hope, comfort, direction, motivation, encouragement, they offer which everyone seeks after. Yet at just the 3rd convention atheists are already losing interest.

If atheists can offer hope they will grow
If they can offer motivation they will grow
If they can offer encouragement they will grow
If they can offer direction they will grow
If they can offer comfort they will grow

But can they offer any of these? No they cannot

Do they make any attempts at working on these? No they do not.

All they do most times is mock and be sceptical in a monotonous manner that even their fellow atheists are getting tired of the whole repetition as shown via the link I posted from winner01.

My advice to atheists especially those on nairaland is this.

1. Show us how much you care and not how well you mock

2. Show us how I can give my life a meaning and not how to live a meaningless life by telling me that I would die one day and become manure and everything about me ends there.

3. Show us how to have hope and not hopelessness.

4. Show me what atheism has to offer me that would be positive to me and my community and make me valuable to the world.

5. Show me love (if you have it) because you cannot give what you do not have. Show me the love in you and not the hatred in you (because this hatred is seen in practically all nairaland atheists here).

6. Strive to Catch up with the notable religious achievements which have aided the world to be a better, more productive and appreciated place by doing something a lot more useful with your time rather than religioshaming me or mocking me for not being you.

Despite knowing that atheism cannot thrive without God I also know that your acceptance of the lack of existence of God should have enabled you to move on from God related issues by now and why you are still unable to do this, I think is an issue you must tackle with your invisible leash and chain.

I hope you heed my advice.

Shadeyinka, Emmanystone, sonofthunder, sciencewatch, cutemadridista, dalaman, felixomor, ishilove, seun and all others.

Lalasticlala, mynd44 can we get more inputs via the front page?

Firstly you lie when you say that the world is gradually degenerating into a chaotic place. The world is much more organized and human beings are much more civil and humane now than they were like 5000 years ago. Back then humans were mostly primitive savages.

Having said that, I'll always chose the bitter reality over false hope. I understand the positive message of hope and inspiration religions throw around to gain adherents, the message of a better future, a guiding and helping hand that will make things better in this cruel journy of life and all, I undertand, the message and its importance to the human society as a whole and all that, but at the end of it, it's nothing but selling snake oil . It's just a mirage and there is no there when you get there as far as religion and its rhetoric is concerned. It's always empty platitudes at the end of it all.

dalaman:


Firstly you lie when you say that the world is gradually degenerating into a chaotic place. The world is much more organizational and human beings are much more civil and humane now than they were like 5000 years ago. Back then humans were mostly primitive savages.

Having said that, I'll always chose the bitter reality over false hope . I understand the positive message of hope and inspiration religions throw around to gain adherents, the message of a better future, a guiding and heloing hand that will make thibgs better in this cruel journy of life and all, I undertand, the message and its importance to the human society as a while and all that, but at the end of it, oil it's nothing but selling snake oil . It's just a mirage and there is no there qhen you get there as far as religion and its rhetoric is concerned. It's always empty platitudes at the end of it all

Winner01 this is a classic confirmation of the OP from a very popular troublesome atheist here on nairaland. See the words in red and blue.

He admits he has no hope to offer, no comfort, no encouragement, nothing but bleakness and emptiness.

butterflylion:


Winner01 this is a classic confirmation of the OP from a very popular troublesome atheist here on nairaland. See the words in red and blue.

He admits he has no hope to offer, no comfort, no encouragement, nothing but bleakness and emptiness.

I repeat accepting reality as it is is better than the false hope and lies that religions offer. Better to accept reality as it is than to rely on the false hope and feel good messages of men there were invented to benefit just a few in reality.

dalaman:


I repeat accepting reality as it is is better than the false hope and lies that religions offer. Better to accept reality as it is than to rely on the false hope and feel good messages of men there were invented to benefit just a few in reality.

Thank you for laying emphasis on the hopelessness and emptiness atheism has to offer.

Your comment is actually authoritative coming from a core atheist such as you are.

butterflylion:


Thank you for laying emphasis on the hopelessness and emptiness atheism has to offer.

Your comment is actually authoritative coming from a core atheist such as you are.

Where did I say atheism has hopelessness and emptiness to offer? Can you pls show me?

dalaman:


Firstly you lie when you say that the world is gradually degenerating into a chaotic place. The world is much more organizational and human beings are much more civil and humane now than they were like 5000 years ago. Back then humans were mostly primitive savages.

Having said that, I'll always chose the bitter reality over false hope. I understand the positive message of hope and inspiration religions throw around to gain adherents, the message of a better future, a guiding and helping hand that will make things better in this cruel journy of life and all, I undertand, the message and its importance to the human society as a whole and all that, but at the end of it, it's nothing but selling snake oil . It's just a mirage and there is no there when you get there as far as religion and its rhetoric is concerned. It's always empty platitudes at the end of it all.

Please what is the bitter reality?, and why do you think its always empty platitudes at the end of it all? Have you been to the end?

dalaman:


I repeat accepting reality as it is is better than the false hope and lies that religions offer. Better to accept reality as it is than to rely on the false hope and feel good messages of men there were invented to benefit just a few in reality.

What is the reality you have accepted? Can you spell it out for everyone to see?

dalaman:


Where did I say atheism has hopelessness and emptiness to offer? Can you pls show me?

Mental gymnastics

What is your own version of reality?

butterflylion:


Winner01 this is a classic confirmation of the OP from a very popular troublesome atheist here on nairaland. See the words in red and blue.

He admits he has no hope to offer, no comfort, no encouragement, nothing but bleakness and emptiness.

He admits he has no hope, no comfort, nothing to offer and yet still subtly manages to ridicule religion. Is this thread about religion for Christ's sake
Did I not tell you they will try to ridicule religion no matter what

dalaman:

I'll always chose the bitter reality over false hope. I understand the positive message of hope and inspiration religions throw around to gain adherents, the message of a better future, a guiding and helping hand that will make things better in this cruel journy of life and all, I undertand, the message and its importance to the human society as a whole and all that, but at the end of it, it's nothing but selling snake oil. It's just a mirage and there is no there when you get there as far as religion and its rhetoric is concerned. It's always empty platitudes at the end of it all.

Guy, can't you just tell us what atheism has to offer?



"Among the repulsions of atheism for me has been its drastic uninterestingness as an intellectual position. Where was the ingenuity, the ambiguity, the humanity (in the Harvard sense) of saying that the universe just happened to happen and that when we're dead we're dead?"
-John Updike

dalaman:


Where did I say atheism has hopelessness and emptiness to offer? Can you pls show me?

Thank you for your atheistic contribution

Meanwhile tell us this BITTER reality you have come to accept

Please note the word BITTER ooo before you twist it now. You were the one who used the expression. BITTER REALITY so explain this bitter reality to us

winner01:
Please what is the bitter reality?, and why do you think its always empty platitudes at the end of it all? Have you been to the end?

The reality is that life is hard, it's short, filled with ups and downs and the struggle for survival itself is a heavy load for most of us, and as humans we are all that we have. Everything that man has to do must be done by man himself. We as humans must solve our problems, there is no help that is coming or will come from any where. That is the bitter reality.

Religions tell people lies and offer them some comfort and hope that there is a better place for them after they die(since this life is hard) if only they will accept their way of life or that there is this invisible entity that will be there to help them and make things better for them during the course of their life time if only the adhere to some teachings and ways of life. The message may sound good and all hut at the end of it all it is empty, false and has nothing to do with the reality we know.

winner01:
He admits he has no hope, no comfort, nothing to offer and yet still subtly manages to ridicule religion. Is this thread about religion for Christ's sake
Did I not tell you they will try to ridicule religion no matter what





Guy, can't you just tell us what atheism has to offer?



"Among the repulsions of atheism for me has been its drastic uninterestingness as an intellectual position. Where was the ingenuity, the ambiguity, the humanity (in the Harvard sense) of saying that the universe just happened to happen and that when we're dead we're dead?"
-John Updike

You said it o.

He just had to go there yet could not say one single thing atheism has to offer.

dalaman:


The reality is that life is hard,

HOPELESSNESS

it's short, filled with ups and downs and the struggle for survival itself is a heavy load for most of us,

MORE HOPELESSNESS

and as humans we are all that we have

EMPTINESS AND LACKING MOTIVATION AND COMFORT

Everything that man has to do must be done by man himself.

STILL MORE HOPELESSNESS

We as humans must solve our problems, there is no help that is coming or will come from any where. That is the bitter reality.

ZERO COMFORT AND ZERO HOPE

Religions tell people lies and offer them some comfort and hope that there is a better place for them after they die(since this life is hard) if only they will accept their way of life or that there is this invisible entity that will be there to help them and make things better for them during the course of their life time if only the adhere to some teachings and ways of life. The message may sound good and all hut at the end of it all it is empty, false and has nothing to do with the reality we know.

THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING POSITIVELY FOR RELIGION

butterflylion:


HOPELESSNESS



MORE HOPELESSNESS



EMPTINESS AND LACKING MOTIVATION AND COMFORT



STILL MORE HOPELESSNESS



ZERO COMFORT AND ZERO HOPE

I am not here to offer hope and comfort but to state the reality of life as it is.

THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING POSITIVELY FOR RELIGION

As the liar that you that feeds on lies always are you deliberately left out where I clearly stated that all religion offer is lies and false hope. So lies and false hope is speaking positively for religion abi?

dalaman:


I am not here to offer hope and comfort but to state the reality of life as it is.

THANK YOU FOR FURTHER AFFIRMING THE HOPELESSNESS AND COMFORTLESS NATURE OF ATHEISM.

As the liar that you that feeds on lies always are you deliberately left out where I clearly stated that all religion offer is lies and false hope. So lies and false hope is speaking positively for religion abi?

In the midst of what you call lies you so glowingly elaborated on the good, hopeful, loving, encouraging, motivational things that religion offers.

Calling them lies does not change the fact that even you an atheist said it is an offer of comfort and hope and sounds good. So again I thank you for speaking positively for religion even as an atheist.

winner01:
He admits he has no hope, no comfort, nothing to offer and yet still subtly manages to ridicule religion. Is this thread about religion for Christ's sake
Did I not tell you they will try to ridicule religion no matter what

Where did I admit that I have no hope comfort and anything to offer? All I said is that religions offer FALSE hope, comfort and feel good messages that are FALSE and have nothing to do with reality.

Guy, can't you just tell us what atheism has to offer?



"Among the repulsions of atheism for me has been its drastic uninterestingness as an intellectual position. Where was the ingenuity, the ambiguity, the humanity (in the Harvard sense) of saying that the universe just happened to happen and that when we're dead we're dead?"
-John Updike

Atheism has a lot to offer. But it doesn't have lies and false hope to offer like religion does.

The quote you dropped from John Updike simply shows you a man that wants to live for ever and finds it too distressing to accept that everything ends after dead, as such he will rather cling unto the false teaching that humans will live forever after they die than accept the reality that dead ends it all for us.

author=dalaman post=66064679]


Atheism has a lot to offer. But it doesn't have lies and false hope to offer like religion does

.

Please be mindful of the OP. What are the lots of things atheism has to offer.

We dey wait.

dalaman:


The reality is that life is hard, it's short, filled with ups and downs and the struggle for survival itself is a heavy load for most of us, and as humans we are all that we have. Everything that man has to do must be done by man himself. We as humans must solve our problems, there is no help that is coming or will come from any where. That is the bitter reality.

Well, this is shortsighted. You sprinkled heresy with elements of truth so as to deceive people. Yes life is hard and all that and Christ specifically told his followers that things won't be easy. The falsehood in your quote is that "no help is coming", for if you really believed this, then taking your life (suicide) should be the best option in this world full of struggles. Your existence would have been pointless. Also, you would have to be wicked to bring forth children to this world of struggles just so they can live, struggle, have the illusion of enjoyment or not and then die.

Either way, your claim is inconsistent with the lives of many atheist. You all hope for a better tomorrow, for a better world. This negates the atheistic worldview.

dalaman:


Religions tell people lies and offer them some comfort and hope that there is a better place for them after they die(since this life is hard) if only they will accept their way of life or that there is this invisible entity that will be there to help them and make things better for them during the course of their life time if only the adhere to some teachings and ways of life. The message may sound good and all hut at the end of it all it is empty, false and has nothing to do with the reality we know.

This is your opinion on religion just like other bigoted atheists.

I did not ask your opinion on religion, I simply asked you what atheism has to offer humanity.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/4116328_atheismdifferenthope_gif723a36b85210730371c80cd317733de7

winner01:
Well, this is shortsighted. You sprinkled heresy with elements of truth so as to deceive people. Yes life is hard and all that and Christ specifically told his followers that things won't be easy. The falsehood in your quote is that "no help is coming", for if you really believed this, then taking your life (suicide) should be the best option in this world free of struggles. Also, you would be wicked to bring forth children to this world of struggles just so they can live, struggle, have the illusion of enjoyment or not and then die.

Either was, you claim is inconsistent with the lives of many atheist. You all hope for a better tomorrow, for a better world. This negates the atheistic worldview.


This is your opinion on religion just like other bigoted atheists.

I did not ask your opinion on religion, I simply asked you what atheism has to offer humanity.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/4116328_atheismdifferenthope_gif723a36b85210730371c80cd317733de7

LMAO.

butterflylion:
Much as I hate doing this I just need to for the sake of the problematic atheist community here on nairaland. I like them though but they never seem to reason so let me help them reason properly.


Shadeyinka, Emmanystone, sonofthunder, sciencewatch, cutemadridista, dalaman, felixomor, ishilove, seun and all others.

Lalasticlala, mynd44 can we get more inputs via the front page?

You said it well OP!

Before you say anything, they assume they own science and theists are anti-science.

They assume that every positive development in the world were initiated by them and not the religious theists

They assume that civilization started with them and theists are the ones taking them back to stone age.

Would they ever agree that they are the ones taking the world back to stone age where every human is reduced to the level of animals behaviour-wisely (homosexuality, bestiality, transgenderism, etc)

Civilization had gotten to its peak and thanks to irreligiousness, the world is sliding back to the dark past of inhuman behaviours. The only thing we have to show for it now is technology.

butterflylion:


THANK YOU FOR FURTHER AFFIRMING THE HOPELESSNESS AND COMFORTLESS NATURE OF ATHEISM.

The reality of life is what I stated not the hopelessness and comfortless of atheism. I never mentioned atheism anywhere. Life is short, a reality, it is hard, another reality, it is filled with so many ups and downs and uncertainty, a reality, it is a heavy load for most people, another reality and humans have only themselves to solve their problems even though tend to fail each other most of the time, another reality. These are what I stated and they are the realities of life and have nothing to do with atheism Mr lie lie.

In the midst of what you call lies you so glowingly elaborated on the good, hopeful, loving, encouraging, motivational things that religion offers.

Calling them lies does not change the fact that even you an atheist said it is an offer of comfort and hope and sounds good. So again I thank you for speaking positively for religion even as an atheist.

I said they are feel good but they are all false and lies. But as the liar that you are that dwells only on lies you are trying to say that something that has been clearly labelled as lies and false are positives.

shadeyinka:

You said it well OP!

Before you say anything, they assume they own science and theists are anti-science.

They assume that every positive development in the world were initiated by them and not the religious theists

They assume that civilization started with them and theists are the ones taking them back to stone age.

Would they ever agree that they are the ones taking the world back to stone age where every human is reduced to the level of animals behaviour-wisely (homosexuality, bestiality, transgenderism, etc)

Civilization had gotten to its peak and thanks to irreligiousness, the world is sliding back to the dark past of inhuman behaviours. The only thing we have to show for it now is technology.

At your words in bold. Very true and by mixing technology with the atheistic worldview the speed of backward slide is multiplied tremendously.

Nobody takes assumptions seriously.

They assume too much. It's high time we began to see them actually doing stuff much like the religious have been doing for decades and are still doing in order to better even the lives of atheists and directly or indirectly offer them hope.

dalaman:


The reality of life is what I stated not the hopelessness and comfortless of atheism. I never mentioned atheism anywhere. Life is short, a reality, it is hard, another reality, it is filled with so many ups and downs and uncertainty, a reality, it is a heavy load for most people, another reality and humans have only themselves to solve their problems even though tend to fail each other most of the time, another reality. These are what I stated and they are the realities of life and have nothing to do with atheism Mr lie lie.

Since these are words coming from you an atheist, this means that these words agree with your worldview so I would say that all you have written here is littered with

1. Hopelessness
2. Lack of motivation
3. Comfortless
4. No direction
5. No encouragement

Very bleak and very empty.

I said they are feel good but they are all false and lies. But as the liar that you are that dwells only on lies you are trying to say that something that has been clearly labelled as lies and false are positives.

When an atheist labels religious motives which mean well for humanity a lie then we know who is actually lying

Thanks for affirming religion again.

dalaman:

Where did I admit that I have no hope comfort and anything to offer? All I said is that religions offer FALSE hope, comfort and feel good messages that are FALSE and have nothing to do with reality.

Why are you just jumping all over the place and who asked for your opinions on religion. Your opinions don't matter.

dalaman:


Atheism has a lot to offer. But it doesn't have lies and false hope to offer like religion does..

Why is it so difficult to mention one of the goodies atheism has to offer?

butterflylion:


At your words in bold. Very true and by mixing technology with the atheistic worldview the speed of backward slide is multiplied tremendously.

Nobody takes assumptions seriously.

They assume too much. It's high time we began to see them actually doing stuff much like the religious have been doing for decades and are still doing in order to better even the lives of atheists and directly or indirectly offer them hope.

You are correct. The times of endless blaring of "Four legs good, two legs bad are over" let's see what the atheist community is adding positively to civilization.

Its obvious, they have no hope to offer!

winner01:
Well, this is shortsighted. You sprinkled heresy with elements of truth so as to deceive people. Yes life is hard and all that and Christ specifically told his followers that things won't be easy.

Life has been difficult and is difficult for most people hence they need by various people to find ways to lie to people and explain them in the name of religion to accept what ever they imagine and think for them that they feel will give them hope or make them live according to the way they want. Christ telling his followers that things won't be easy means nothing because things have been hard for many people since before any story about Jesus was written. But then there are many christians that will disagree with you about the claim that Jesus said things will be heard for people. All these prosperity word of faith preachers and christians will totally disagree with you.

The falsehood in your quote is that "no help is coming", for if you really believed this, then taking your life (suicide) should be the best option in this world full of struggles. Your existence would have been pointless.[] Also, you would have to be wicked to bring forth children to this world of struggles just so they can live, struggle, have the illusion of enjoyment or not and then die.

No help will come from any where apart from your fellow human beings. Jesus does NOT help christians, there is no evidence to show that christians are having it better than non christians at all or that they are getting any help from any where better than non christians . If you fall sick with a terminal illness you will have to go to the hospital the way anybody else does and seek proper medical attention, if you are involved in an accidentand you break a limb you'll have to go and follow the normal process every body follow to get healing. You'll go to the hospital and a POP will be used or any other method will be used and you'll wait for weeks before your bones will come back to the way they were. Jesus will NOT help you or heal you in a day or two once you have a fractured bone in any of your limbs. You have to work to earn a living either legitimately or illegitimately like every other person. Jesus will not and can not give you anything you want without you working for it. You will have to get an education, move around and travel wide to gain knowledge and awareness like every other person. Jesus can never give you any type of education or professional knowledge or any thing without you going out to seek for it like any other person.

At the end of it all. You get no help from any external source. The only help you'll get when you are in trouble or in Nedd has to be from your fellow humans. Jesus can never help you. Jesus can never feed you when you are hungry. You have to vigorouslyhustle or if you are lucky get help from someone. Jesus can never come and give you food even if you are straving.

Either way, you claim is inconsistent with the lives of many atheist. You all hope for a better tomorrow, for a better world. This negates the atheistic worldview.


This is your opinion on religion just like other bigoted atheists.

I did not ask your opinion on religion, I simply asked you what atheism has to offer humanity.

Human beings can be made to change their out look towards life and help each other more so that their stay on earth will be easier for them all instead of lying to themselves that some external force will help them when they are in bed or in trouble. How does the hope for tomorrow or a better world negates the atheistic worldview? Atheism is the disbelief in God's and not a world view that is negates the hope of a better tomorrow. That remains your own making and it is a lie.

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dalaman:


Life has been difficult and is difficult for most people hence they need by various people to find ways to lie to people and explain them in the name of religion to accept what ever they imagine and think for them that they feel will give them hope or make them live according to the way they want. Christ telling his followers that things won't be easy means nothing because things have been hard for many people since before any story about Jesus was written. But then there are many christians that will disagree with you about the claim that Jesus said things will be heard for people. All these prosperity word of faith preachers and christians will totally disagree with you.





No help will come from any where apart from your fellow human beings. Jesus does NOT help christians, there is no evidence to show that christians are having it better than non christians at all or that they are getting any help from any where better than non christians . If you fall sick with a terminal illness you will have to go to the hospital the way anybody else does and seek proper medical attention, if you are involved in an accidentand you break a limb you'll have to go and follow the normal process every body follow to get healing. You'll go to the hospital and a POP will be used or any other method will be used and you'll wait for weeks before your bones will come back to the way they were. Jesus will NOT help you or heal you in a day or two once you have a fractured bone in any of your limbs. You have to work to earn a living either legitimately or illegitimately like every other person. Jesus will not and can not give you anything you want without you working for it. You will have to get an education, move around and travel wide to gain knowledge and awareness like every other person. Jesus can never give you any type of education or professional knowledge or any thing without you going out to seek for it like any other person.

At the end of it all. You get no help from any external source. The only help you'll get when you are in trouble or in Nedd has to be from your fellow humans. Jesus can never help you. Jesus can never feed you when you are hungry. You have to vigorouslyhustle or if you are lucky get help from someone. Jesus can never come and give you food even if you are straving.[/s]

Unnecessarily rigmarole.

Human beings can be made to change their out look towards life and help each other more so that their stay on earth will be easier for them all instead of lying to themselves that some external force will help them when they are in bed or in trouble. How does the hope for tomorrow or a better world negates the atheistic worldview? Atheism is the disbelief in God's and not a world view that is negates the hope of a better tomorrow. That remains your own making and it is a lie.

So long story short. Atheism has nothing to offer

butterflylion:


Since these are words coming from you an atheist, this means that these words agree with your worldview so I would say that all you have written here is littered with

1. Hopelessness
2. Lack of motivation
3. Comfortless
4. No direction
5. No encouragement

Very bleak and very empty.

You can not deny that these are the realitiesof life. You chose to say that they are hopeless, bleak etc but that doesn't change them from being the reality of life. I just stated the reality of life and it has nothing to do with atheism. Unless if you are trying to lie as usual and claim that the reality of life as i stated is atheism which will then show that you are a liar as always.

When an atheist labels religious motives which mean well for humanity a lie then we know who is actually lying

Thanks for affirming religion again.

So lies and false hope means well for humanity abi? It's not suprising, since its coming from a person that dwells on lies daily.