Cooly100:
You have big IGR but you can't sustain yourself...

Ogun is ranked 28 of 36 states in sustainabiity index.

source and date please

GoroTango:
How can you call the north parasitic when we practically feed this country?

Do you feed the country for free?

But you go to another Region and take Oil and Gas money for free

Why is this even a topic for debate?

A question, if the east is as parasitic as the north, why are they so confident to clamour for a nation of there own with the belief that the can survive alone, while the north that claims to feed the country is hell bent on keeping them back.

Why is the north so scared of restructure

Allow breeze to blow first make fowl yansh open, then we go know who be who and who be the real and true parasite.

freeze001:


And u just supply em freely like they aren't paid for? Shove it up where the sun don't shine! The South, with abundance of funds at her disposal will produce what she needs and source the rest elsewhere. How much of ur so called meat n grains gets to the national purse to form part of the monthly allocations which ur parasitic northern states take a larger share of?

Okay then. What are ten million of you doing in our land then? Are they not on a conquest for bread which apparently is lacking in your region?

0monnak0da:
The SE people are always quick to label the North as "parasites" depending on oil for existence but is this nt true for the SE as well?

Recently released figures of IGR show the SE performance to be very low when it comes to IGR with the most significant paart of its budget based of federal allocations.
Infact Ogun state has nore IGR than every single one of the SE states COMBINED.

Your post here shows you don't even know what you are talking about. Using IGR as a basis for tagging the SE parasitic shows you are intelligent.
IGRs are generated internally and spent internally without a kobo of it getting into the federation account to be shared.
Lagos doesn't share it's IGRs with other state neither do Ogun, Rivers, Imo or Kano.
Parasitic should only apply to what a state or region contributes to the centre which gets shared to all states.

gidgiddy:


Do you feed the country for free?

But you go to another Region and take Oil and Gas money for free

What oil and gas money are you talking about? The one that accounts for less than 10% of the country's GDP? How about agriculture that accounts fort 45% of GDP most of which comes from northern Nigeria?

GoroTango:
Okay then. What are ten million of you doing in our land then? Are they not on a conquest for bread which apparently is lacking in your region?

Every month commissioners offinance meet in Abuja to share money.

How much of that mone comes from the North? That is what we mean my parasitism

The North coes to TAKE and has been TAKING and TAKING .

What does it contribute? When you sell the grain does the money turn up in Abuja for sharing?

GoroTango:
What oil and gas money are you talking about? The one that accounts for less than 10% of the country's GDP? How about agriculture that accounts fort 45% of GDP most of which comes from northern Nigeria?

Accounts for lesss than 10% of GDP but more than 90 % of government revenue


Government cannot spend GDP

Even ashawo work is part of GDP

What does the North contribute to PUBLIC FINANCES

0monnak0da:

List investments in Zamfara Kebbi and so on
But you gleefully call the North parasites while you are the same

One day you are telling us how industrialized Nnewi and Aba are next you are saying no federal investment

Kindly try and get education to differentiate between the north as a region and the states..

Secondly, industries in Nnewi and Aba are not federal investments...

Finally, how come the east are the ones that want to leave the federation, compared to your heavy IGR generating SW region?

For me the thread is utterly useless...

kutchs:

Your post here shows you don't even know what you are talking about. Using IGR as a basis for tagging the SE parasitic shows you are intelligent.
IGRs are generated internally and spent internally without a kobo of it getting into the federation account to be shared.
Lagos doesn't share it's IGRs with other state neither do Ogun, Rivers, Imo or Kano.
Parasitic should only apply to what a state or region contributes to the centre which gets shared to all states.

You are very intelligent


The point is a simple one what fraction of a state's GDP is IGR and what fraction is allocation.


The greater the latter is the more parasitic it is

That is very elementary logic When a state funds its budget by 90$ allocation then parasitism comes into the equation except for the major oil producing states non of which is in the SE . If it was it would reflect in the size of the allocation

GoroTango:
What oil and gas money are you talking about? The one that accounts for less than 10% of the country's GDP? How about agriculture that accounts fort 45% of GDP most of which comes from northern Nigeria?

Agriculture does not contribute up tt 45% of GDP it is more like 15 .



The problem is agriculture contributes nothng in taxes to public finance and in fact consumes subsidy from the more productive in tax terms oil sextor and VAT

0monnak0da:
You are very intelligent


The point is a simple one what fraction of a state's GDP is IGR and what fraction is allocation.


The greater the latter is the more parasitic it is

That is very elementary logic When a state funds its budget by 90$ allocation then parasitism comes into the equation except for the major oil producing states non of which is in the SE . If it was it would reflect in the size of the allocation

Two Niger delta states are in the SE.

what are you on about?

GoroTango:
What oil and gas money are you talking about? The one that accounts for less than 10% of the country's GDP? How about agriculture that accounts fort 45% of GDP most of which comes from northern Nigeria?

Agriculture includes farming fishing and forestry as well as livestock and cash crops like Cocoa and palmoil so do not kid yourself that there is no farming going on in the south.

High value items like cocoa oil palm and timber are found mainly in the south

0monnak0da:
It is a tax but the parasite argument here is based on the premise that the core f the SE budget is based on allocations from other regions so without those allocations the SE governments are not viable

That is the point of discussion here

Compare with Ogum state where 70% of budget is IGR

so we are talking about how much of ths budget is Internally Generated and how much is allocation??

Stop fooling yourself. The debt profile of the entire SE is less than 8% of the aggregate debts of the 36 states + FCT. When it comes to fiscal prudence nobody beats the SE.
Compare how much we gets from allocation, the size of our budget and debt profile relative to other regions, then you will understand that a lot of statistics about SE doesn't add up.
In case you don't know, the fvcking stat was published during the height of IPOB activities. To me it was a propaganda to tell IPOB the survival of SE depends on federal hand-outs.
In case you didn't get it, the debt of the entire SE is 7.8% of the aggregate debts of all the regions and FCT combined. It is a feat no region in Nigeria can ever match.

CSTR2:

Two Niger delta states are in the SE.

what are you on about?

Facts and figures Dont use meaningless terms like Niger Delta

States get 13% derivattion fro oil so the allocation will give us a good idea of how much oil we are talking about.

The SE has oil buut it is miniscule . Look at the Table and tell us which state in the SE is a major oil state

compare with Delta and Rivers

Did any SE get more than Ondo from oil?

Osaze007:


Title of post is not sustainability

How can you become a producer of foods and die of hunger? What the hell is IGR when the state lacks ability to sustain itself?

DerideGull:


How can you become a producer of foods and die of hunger? What the hell is IGR when the state lacks ability to sustain itself?

Dende Iku How body? How is the Sanatorium?



This sustainability thng. What is the source and how is it worked out ? it seems very skechy

GoroTango:
How can you call the north parasitic when we practically feed this country?

Feed who? If the rest of the country doesn't buy food from your farmers who hunger go catch

0monnak0da:
The SE people are always quick to label the North as "parasites" depending on oil for existence but is this nt true for the SE as well?

Recently released figures of IGR show the SE performance to be very low when it comes to IGR with the most significant paart of its budget based of federal allocations.
Infact Ogun state has nore IGR than every single one of the SE states COMBINED.

A parasite is something that attaches its self to a host and does not let go

On the contrary, the area you call SE has been fighting to detach its self from Nigeria since 1967

0monnak0da:
You are very intelligent


The point is a simple one what fraction of a state's GDP is IGR and what fraction is allocation.


The greater the latter is the more parasitic it is

That is very elementary logic When a state funds its budget by 90$ allocation then parasitism comes into the equation except for the major oil producing states non of which is in the SE . If it was it would reflect in the size of the allocation

Imo, Ania and Anambra states are oil and gas producing states perhaps not in the same breath as Akwa-Ibom and Rivers States but oil producing nonetheless.
You need to know that what these three states produce a day is most certainly enough to fund the budget of the SE if it a country.
Allow for fiscal federalism, resource control or whatever name you give it and the SE won't complain, that I can't say of Northern states.

DerideGull:


How can you become a producer of foods and die of hunger? What the hell is IGR when the state lacks ability to sustain itself?

Stop shifting goal post
USA is the wealthiest nation but has highest debt
Point is south east is a poor shit hole region

GoroTango:
What oil and gas money are you talking about? The one that accounts for less than 10% of the country's GDP? How about agriculture that accounts fort 45% of GDP most of which comes from northern Nigeria?

And how much does the North pay in terms of tax revenue on agriculture to Nigeria? A big fat zero! In essence, the North should be thankful to Nigeria for giving them a big market for agriculture, but at the end of the day, the North contributes nothing to Nigeria.

Anyone can buy food from any part of the world.

kutchs:

Imo, Ania and Anambra states are oil and gas producing states perhaps not in the same breath as Akwa-Ibom and Rivers States but oil producing nonetheless.
You need to know that what these three states produce a day is most certainly enough to fund the budget of the SE if it a country.
Allow for fiscal federalism, resource control or whatever name you give it and the SE won't complain, that I can't say of Northern states.

The problem with you Eboes is your liking for fantasy

Derivation is 13% soif a state gets Y as allocation the total oil revenue canot be more than 100/13 X Y we already have those figures so spare us all tha Onitsha market is the largest market in the Milky Way story

0monnak0da:

Accounts for lesss than 10% of GDP but more than 90 % of government revenue


Government cannot spend GDP

Even ashawo work is part of GDP

What does the North contribute to PUBLIC FINANCES

yoy better stop quoting that dull mallam

gidgiddy:


And how much does the North pay in terms of tax revenue on agriculture to Nigeria? A big fat zero! In essence, the North should be thankful to Nigeria for giving them a big market for agriculture, but at the end of the day, the North contributes nothing to Nigeria.

Anyone can buy food from any part of the world.

Tell that to the ten million kinsmen or yours parasiting on the cheap food the north provides them. You cant feed yourselves in that dark region of yours, that's why you migrate to others

0monnak0da:
The SE people are always quick to label the North as "parasites" depending on oil for existence but is this nt true for the SE as well?

Recently released figures of IGR show the SE performance to be very low when it comes to IGR with the most significant paart of its budget based of federal allocations.
Infact Ogun state has nore IGR than every single one of the SE states COMBINED.

1. Lagos and Ogun IGR has NOTHING to do with the indigenes and is not a decent measurement of success. Especially when IGR comes from taxing the living daylights out of Lagosians. Lagos Land Use Act, Lagos Driving license, Lekki Tollgate etc etc The ethnic diversity of Lagos and the stimulus by non-indigenous investors is the saving grace. Besides Lagos owes its success to infrastructure that it did not build.

2. Owerri airport was a gift to Nigeria from the people of old Imo State. But all the infrastructure like Third Mainland Bridge, MMIA, Apapa Ports were gifts from Nigeria to Lagos. Nigga be humble y'all haven't achieved jack-shit by yourselves

3. For all the humongous debt what does Lagos have to show for it. The SE is carrying on with among the lowest allocation from Abuja and can boast of being among States with highest quality of life. In short IGR na wash

joeyfire:


1. Lagos and Ogun IGR has NOTHING to do with the indigenes and is not a decent measurement of success. Especially when IGR comes from taxing the living daylights out of Lagosians. Lagos Land Use Act, Lagos Driving license, Lekki Tollgate etc etc The ethnic diversity of Lagos and the stimulus by non-indigenous investors is the saving grace. Besides Lagos owes its success to infrastructure that it did not build.

2. Owerri airport was a gift to Nigeria from the people of old Imo State. But all the infrastructure like Third Mainland Bridge, MMIA, Apapa Ports were gifts from Nigeria to Lagos. Nigga be humble y'all haven't achieved jack-shit by yourselves

3. For all the humongous debt what does Lagos have to show for it. The SE is carrying on with among the lowest allocation from Abuja and can boast of being among States with highest quality of life. In short IGR na wash

Ogun State

Ogun IGR is more than 5 SE states combined

0monnak0da:
Dende Iku How body? How is the Sanatorium?



This sustainability thng. What is the source and how is it worked out ? it seems very skechy

Omo Kanda, yet some folks in the shithole called Nigeria will run short of suicide when disintegration is mentioned. How humanly possible that people who erroneously flaunt themselves as IGR maker are the same ones to develop convulsion when disintegration of Nigeria is slightly invoked?

joeyfire:


1. Lagos and Ogun IGR has NOTHING to do with the indigenes and is not a decent measurement of success. Especially when IGR comes from taxing the living daylights out of Lagosians. Lagos Land Use Act, Lagos Driving license, Lekki Tollgate etc etc The ethnic diversity of Lagos and the stimulus by non-indigenous investors is the saving grace. Besides Lagos owes its success to infrastructure that it did not build.

2. Owerri airport was a gift to Nigeria from the people of old Imo State. But all the infrastructure like Third Mainland Bridge, MMIA, Apapa Ports were gifts from Nigeria to Lagos. Nigga be humble y'all haven't achieved jack-shit by yourselves

3. For all the humongous debt what does Lagos have to show for it. The SE is carrying on with among the lowest allocation from Abuja and can boast of being among States with highest quality of life. In short IGR na wash

Why is Abuja not so successful financially

0monnak0da:
Ogun IGR is more than 5 SE states combined

When disintegration of Nigeria is mentioned, you wail like a heavy rain.

DerideGull:


Omo Kanda, yet some folks in the shithole called Nigeria will run short of suicide when disintegration is mentioned. How humanly possible that people who erroneously flaunt themselves as IGR maker are the same ones to develop convulsion when disintegration of Nigeria is slightly invoked?

Disintegration will happen but it must be orderly and at a timme of the choosing of those who own Nigeria not the unruly serfs