hammed71:
by the time Nigeria stops dual citizenship, thats when we will know the true and patriotic Nigerian s

finestboy1:
Exactly. We will know where your true loyalty lies

Nig4Greatness:
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There's no point for loyalty debate here but it pains me when Nigerians don't see or talk about anything good about their country and continue to compare a developing country to a developed country.why don't we focus on where we are and forget about where we are not.
No Country is a paradise,I live in both worlds and i have visited every states or cities that matter in the US,I bet you they still have slums and developmental challenges in some areas,a country where both the young and adult have access to firearms and your safety is not guaranteed??.don't forget Puerto Rico is part of US territories and their living conditions is worse than that of nigeria,yet they didn't all moved to US mainland.
If you have not been a subject of racial abuse or discrimations means you have not gone far.my rental Suv was snatched at gunpoint on a broad day light on the street of Houston Texas two years ago.
If we contribute as much what we contribute to our adopted countries to our homeland,Nigeria would be better off.

theamerican:


Nice, but please answer the questions I asked.

The topic of the thread does a good job and the follow-up posts that "derail" are just answers to counter-arguments. You're right, posting more about my experiences, etc. could help to keep it interesting but not posting it doesn't nullify what the whole point is.

For example, posting details of how I came here, step-by-step info about how I naturalized, my current job or economic status is at my own discretion, and not necessary. "Memoirs of a Naturalized Immigrant" doesn't mean I'd document my whole life here. I still have the freedom to choose what I write.

Please, I still wanna know your answers to my questions. Thanks.

Beautyaddy:


Huh...I wont be surprised if Nig4Greatness does not answer the question.

I notice that he went on beating around the bush responding to other statements all in an attempt not to be caught deceiving himself...lol!

Nig4Greatness:
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There's no point for loyalty debate here but it pains me when Nigerians don't see or talk about anything good about their country and continue to compare a developing country to a developed country.why don't we focus on where we are and forget about where we are not.
No Country is a paradise,I live in both worlds and i have visited every states or cities that matter in the US,I bet you they still have slums and developmental challenges in some areas,a country where both the young and adult have access to firearms and your safety is not guaranteed??.don't forget Puerto Rico is part of US territories and their living conditions is worse than that of nigeria,yet they didn't all moved to US mainland.
If you have not been a subject of racial abuse or discrimations means you have not gone far.my rental Suv was snatched at gunpoint on a broad day light on the street of Houston Texas two years ago.
If we contribute as much what we contribute to our adopted countries to our homeland,Nigeria would be better off.

Nig4Greatness:
@OP,

Say you travel to Japan or Saudi Arabia and you get arrested/kidnapped or whatever. As a dual citizen, which government do you think will likely come to your rescue when contacted? Nigeria or the U.S? ...

For whatever it worth,i can not be in that position for whatever reason,because when you travel to other countries and run foul of the law,you will be arrested and prosecuted and jailed if found guilty irrespective of passport you are holding(Japan and Saudi Arabia inclusive),there are many Americans in foreign jails serving their terms and the one that readily comes to mind is that of Otto Warmbier who was jailed and later died in North Korea over trumped up charges and our almighty America couldn't do anything about it.

Finally, if the U.S. and Nigeria came up with laws that prohibited dual citizenship and you're forced to choose either to be an American, or Nigerian, which citizenship would you give up? I'm curious, I really wanna know your answer...

I doubt if that situation is foreseeable but you know what,both passports serve different purposes to me and if you must know,there are some countries i don't/cant travel to with my blue passport and vice versa like am planing to be in Russia 2018 world cup if Nigeria makes it to the second round on my Nigeria passport.
Let me conclude by asking you my simple questions as well but be sincere if you must answer though,as simple as it may get,if Nigeria and united states happen to be playing against each other in a competition,who would you support?..
secondly,where do you intend to spend your retirement?..in Nigeria or remain in the US?..
Lastly,if a war should break out now,lets say a third world war,where will you be?
i guess your answers are as good as mine.

To others,nobody demands patriotism from anybody(besides,its not even the focus of this thread),but its suppose to be part of our culture naturally,that's what an average Americans do.there are countries not as good as Nigeria yet their citizens don't talk down on their countries.in my course of travelling around,what i see are products of people committed to make their countries great at all cost. ..

P.S @op, lets focus more on the purpose for this thread so we can all make meaningful contributions.this shouldn't be about Nigeria.

Beautyaddy:


Huh...I wont be surprised if Nig4Greatness does not answer the question.

I notice that he went on beating around the bush responding to other statements all in an attempt not to be caught deceiving himself...lol!

theamerican:


No sir/ma'am, Answer the simple questions. My questions were simple and straightforward. Until you answer them, I choose not to bother with this discourse anymore.

Nig4Greatness:


i already answered your question(s)......if you are not satisfied,let me makes it very simple.....i would gladly choose my country of birth over any other country,you know why i can be president tomorrow and besides that,nobody can take away my birthright citizenship from me but my citizenship acquired through naturalization can be a subject of revocation if serious offense is committed.that is my choice and i wont blink before making such pick.

theamerican:


I will ask more precisely. If the U.S. and Nigeria stopped dual citizenships and you had to denounce one of these two, which country would you denounce? A. Nigeria B. U.S.A

As a Nigerian American, If you got stuck in a foreign land, which govt DO YOU THINK is more likely to come to your aid (I suppose, the first you'd try to reach out to) between the U.S and Nigeria? A. Nigeria B. U.S.A C. None

See? Simple. Just answer and we're good.

Just to add, when I argue with people... I learn from them. From what you wrote, I figured in the case of going to Russia, it COULD be easier going there during this coming world-cup as a Nigerian citizen. So, don't think my disagreements are attacks, I enjoy learning from people I disagree with.

I welcome completely differing opinions. I learn everyday.

theamerican:


I will ask more precisely. If the U.S. and Nigeria stopped dual citizenships and you had to denounce one of these two, which country would you denounce? A. Nigeria B. U.S.A

As a Nigerian American, If you got stuck in a foreign land, which govt DO YOU THINK is more likely to come to your aid (I suppose, the first you'd try to reach out to) between the U.S and Nigeria? A. Nigeria B. U.S.A C. None

See? Simple. Just answer and we're good.

Just to add, when I argue with people... I learn from them. From what you wrote, I figured in the case of going to Russia, it COULD be easier going there during this coming world-cup as a Nigerian citizen. So, don't think my disagreements are attacks, I enjoy learning from people I disagree with.

I welcome completely differing opinions. I learn everyday.

Nig4Greatness:
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i guess this is why you are where you are,your type isn't part of my audience and i have just few words for you.no need going to church or whatever because its obvious God doesn't answer prayers from hypocrites who want God to bless them where they do not sow.

Nig4Greatness:
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Thanks all the same for your response...There's no point insulting anyone here,it's a faceless forum and there are lots of kids here as well as those witht no real life experience..they are the bunch of people you will likely find on this type of thread.
You see your thread headline is misleading or you are unknowingly derailing your own thread because you didn't focus on the subject matter.
I wanted to see what makes your life so beautiful in America,your accomplishments,your real story,experiences and all that,or is that not what memoirs is all about ??.you ahould.focus on what works in the US because thats what people back home want to see,they already know whats not working in nigeria anyway,no need reminding them again.mere focusing more on what's not working in Nigeria is abusing the purpose of the thread.
The point I try to make all along is that US vs Nigeria is a mismatch same thing you will say about Nigeria vs Burundi or Somalia.
US is first world country while Nigeria is second world where the likes of somalia are regarded as third world.while US has a budget estimate of $4T,Nigeria has $25b and the likes of somalia has like $4b....the level of developments can't be the same ..that's the point.so the same way a typical Nigerian would prefer the US over Nigeria is same way a Somali would prefer Nigeria over somalia.
In the end,simple reasoning would prevail that,if you can't be part of the solution don't be part of the problem.

Nig4Greatness:
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I enjoy learning from people I disagree with........i never disagreed with you,i only said you shouldn't let Nigeria be the primary focus of your thread,that's not what we want to see.i already referred you to your thread headline.
have a good life.

Nig4Greatness:
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There's no point for loyalty debate here but it pains me when Nigerians don't see or talk about anything good about their country and continue to compare a developing country to a developed country.why don't we focus on where we are and forget about where we are not.
No Country is a paradise,I live in both worlds and i have visited every states or cities that matter in the US,I bet you they still have slums and developmental challenges in some areas,a country where both the young and adult have access to firearms and your safety is not guaranteed??.don't forget Puerto Rico is part of US territories and their living conditions is worse than that of nigeria,yet they didn't all moved to US mainland.
If you have not been a subject of racial abuse or discrimations means you have not gone far.my rental Suv was snatched at gunpoint on a broad day light on the street of Houston Texas two years ago.
If we contribute as much what we contribute to our adopted countries to our homeland,Nigeria would be better off.

Mobilia:


Wow sir...please allow me to ask a question.
You mean you have visited the most popular or largest metropolitan cites and states in the U.S.?
Really? Hmmm...very interesting.
All states matter in the U.S. though....(they all have something positive to contribute to the entire nation).

I really am wondering though....
Why have Nigerians not bought into what you just wrote?
When will Nigeria be great and how long is it really gonna take?

HeWrites:


Donkey years.

theamerican:


"People I disagree with" is not "people who disagree with me". Again, I have enjoyed our discussions. I only know about Nigeria and the U.S. as these are the only two places I have lived, that's why I Personally focus on these two countries.

I can't speak on how a Ghanaian or Mexican would feel about going to the U.S or Canada for example. Or how a Nigerian would fare in the UK or Germany, South Africa or UAE. People in those countries have been talking about them and if you notice, I've not said anything. I simply read from them and say what I know... or think I know.

Again, I apologize if the thread topic raised your expectations on what it should contain, or what should be written. I didn't even know it would get so much attention. I'll write more in my free time.

Have a good life, too. I hope you had full coverage when your SUV was stolen. Things like that aren't pleasant. God bless you.

Mobilia:


Wow sir...please allow me to ask a question.
You mean you have visited the most popular or largest metropolitan cites and states in the U.S.?
Really? Hmmm...very interesting.
All[b] states matter in the U.S. though....(they all have something positive to contribute to the entire nation[/b]).

I really am wondering though....
Why have Nigerians not bought into what you just wrote?
When will Nigeria be great and how long is it really gonna take?

Mobilia:

I feel bad for laughing.....but.... Wow...that's truly unfortunate though....

Nig4Greatness:
@OP,

Say you travel to Japan or Saudi Arabia and you get arrested/kidnapped or whatever. As a dual citizen, which government do you think will likely come to your rescue when contacted? Nigeria or the U.S? ...

For whatever it worth,i can not be in that position for whatever reason,because when you travel to other countries and run foul of the law,you will be arrested and prosecuted and jailed if found guilty irrespective of passport you are holding(Japan and Saudi Arabia inclusive),there are many Americans in foreign jails serving their terms and the one that readily comes to mind is that of Otto Warmbier who was jailed and later died in North Korea over trumped up charges and our almighty America couldn't do anything about it.

Finally, if the U.S. and Nigeria came up with laws that prohibited dual citizenship and you're forced to choose either to be an American, or Nigerian, which citizenship would you give up? I'm curious, I really wanna know your answer...

I doubt if that situation is foreseeable but you know what,both passports serve different purposes to me and if you must know,there are some countries i don't/cant travel to with my blue passport and vice versa like am planing to be in Russia 2018 world cup if Nigeria makes it to the second round on my Nigeria passport.
Let me conclude by asking you my simple questions as well but be sincere if you must answer though,as simple as it may get,if Nigeria and united states happen to be playing against each other in a competition,who would you support?..
secondly,where do you intend to spend your retirement?..in Nigeria or remain in the US?..
Lastly,if a war should break out now,lets say a third world war,where will you be?
i guess your answers are as good as mine.

To others,nobody demands patriotism from anybody(besides,its not even the focus of this thread),but its suppose to be part of our culture naturally,that's what an average Americans do.there are countries not as good as Nigeria yet their citizens don't talk down on their countries.in my course of travelling around,what i see are products of people committed to make their countries great at all cost. ..

P.S @op, lets focus more on the purpose for this thread so we can all make meaningful contributions.this shouldn't be about Nigeria.

Nig4Greatness:
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There are some states that are just parasites that contribute virtually nothing except for taxes paid by citizens living in those states.3 states of California, New York and Texas contribute 45% of the entire nation GDP.and funny enough these states have very large population of immigrants whereas those claiming "son of the soil" contribute virtually nothing.
Make no mistake about it,US is highly developed and without doubt the greatest and richest nation in the world but they built it.the country didn't just fall from heaven,look at China,turning their dense population into an asset,that's the point and I hope with little commitment and change in orientation,we can do it as well.it may take time but surely we will get there.

solasoulmusic:
One thing I do miss is everyone seemed mature not out to ruin your life with words not out to erase your legacies just generally working together for the better of all

signature2012:


Bro,pls just burn your blue pali and maintain the green one.If yankee no good for you,no ones fault,stop preaching Nigeria this,Nigeria that...e dey vex me gannnn.

What do people like you gain claiming patriotism on naija but live in America?